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Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to

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three pillars shape every step of training. Thanks

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for being here. Let's get started. Hey, hey,

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it's episode 27, Crate Anxiety, Fixing Whining,

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and Panic in the Kennel. Welcome. Hello, hello.

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All right, we're going to jump right into it.

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We are going to probably cruise through this,

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but we'll see. The concept tonight is a big focus

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on preemptive actions, proactivity. Because this

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is a problem. Great anxiety. Huge problem. Lots

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of people deal with it. Very few things that

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you can do at the end of the day. A lot of things

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that you can do up front. A lot of small things

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that you can build towards to try to fix the

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problem. But the biggest thing is going to be

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time. Yeah, for sure. And no one wants to hear

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that. Yeah. And so to a certain degree, this

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whole episode could be summed up by saying, don't

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do a certain amount of points that we'll talk

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about to create it. And then if you have it,

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you just have to reverse it. Yeah. By building

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in a lot of time and a lot of patience into the

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dog learning that it's okay. And that's it. All

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right. Thank you for your attention. Have a great

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night. That's all of it. Yeah, that is it. So

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let's break it down. In general, crate anxiety

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is not solved by just making the kennel more

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comfortable. It's not solved by just giving them

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a bone. It's not solved by drugging your dog.

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It's solved by building clarity, structure, and

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calmness as well as independence so that the

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dog learns that the crate is a place to settle,

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not a place to fight. And I say this a lot in

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lessons, you have to let the dog stand on their

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own four paws. Yeah. That's definitely a big

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one. And I think it's a huge misconception that

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a lot of dog owners have is their dog just, they're

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always like, oh, I hate, my dog hates the kennel.

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My dog hates the kennel. My dog hates the kennel.

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Right. And so they don't do it. Right. Or they

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don't put them in there. Right. Because he hates

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it, so I hate it for him. But in reality, it's

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not that the dog hates the kennel. The dog hates

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that they have no other option than to relax

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because they don't know how to relax. Right.

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Everyone has certain things that they would rather

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do. But that doesn't mean that they're scared

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or anxious. So anxious, we use the word anxious

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a lot. But true anxiety at the clinical level

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is something far and away from the dog's a little.

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I guess, upset that they have to be in the kennel

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instead of the couch. Yeah, for sure. And when

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we go and we talk to an owner, we teach someone

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how to build neutrality in a crate so that your

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dog will go into the crate. Inevitably, we ask

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or are asked the question of, well, when are

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they going to love the crate? Maybe never. Yeah,

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maybe. Because love is a strong word. They learn

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to love the couch because you love the couch.

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They learn to love the bed because you love the

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bed. They pattern that and then they're like,

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yeah, it is pretty nice up here. It's higher

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up off the floor. It's pretty soft. I enjoy it.

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I like it. They don't, if, let's turn this around.

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If they were to see you spend all of your time

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in a crate, they'd probably learn to love it.

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Right. Because you're their best friend. You're

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their leader. You're their all those things.

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You're the provider. You bring the food. Yeah.

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You pay the electricity bills. You keep the internet

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on. So they can watch Spongebob during the day

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or whatever it is that they do. And if you were

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to pattern a different set of furniture, they

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would like that too. Right, and it's also not

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strictly about the furniture, right? It's being

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away from you most of the time. Right, and where

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you spend your time, right? Where you value spending

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your time. They want to value that as well. So

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obviously we're not going to make everything

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of the same value because you don't spend that

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time there. So that's not the point. That's not

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what we're trying to do. All we're trying to

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do is make it. neutral we just want to make it

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not a bad place we just want to make it not a

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a place of fear or you know being scared and

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having an anxiety attack yeah so if we teach

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a dog that they can actually relax themselves

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we give them the tools to deal with this And

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if we do that early on in their life by showing

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them that it's a neutral place, by showing them

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that they didn't die. Right. Not dying is a strong,

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you know, concept. But nothing hurt them. Yeah.

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They didn't get hurt. They didn't get injured.

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Nothing bad happened. Oh, cool. That wasn't so

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bad. Yeah. And then they move on. We have to

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pattern that. We got to use that over and over

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and over and over. Right. It also builds confidence

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in your dog to show them that they can do hard

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things, right? Humans are always made to do hard

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things and make progress and grow and all these

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things. But we sometimes lack that expectation

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in our dogs. Yeah. So most crate issues are not

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about the crate. They're more about the dog's

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inability to self -regulate, like Brianna said.

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And so when they're separated from their handler,

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from their owner, they immediately respond in

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a way that they've responded before. That's classical

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conditioning in action. It's not something that

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the dog always has control over, but that doesn't

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mean it's bad for the dog either. We just have

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to work through it. Yeah. Whining, barking, and

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panic behaviors often are reinforced over time

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because the dog learns that the noise that they

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make creates or gains your attention. Pretty

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much across the board, everyone that we've ever

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talked to that doesn't crate their dog for a

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definitive reason like, Well, I've tried it and

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they hate it. Yeah. It immediately, you can tell

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by the owner's body language, the owner also

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hates it because of what they went through while

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trying to teach them how to go into their crate.

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Yeah. Because the dog made it painful enough

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and horrible enough that that owner was like,

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no more. Yep. Let's come on out of there. Right.

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And that's exactly the moment that the dog is

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like, ah. I won. I have a tally mark. Right.

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And whether the dog's truly competing or not,

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it is the same concept that the dog just figured

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out that it worked. And they're like, got it.

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Well, that does it. Right. It's the same thing

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if you scream for help and someone comes running.

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It's a real quick, you're like, ah, cool. Well,

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that worked. The learning occurs. whether we

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like it or not, sometimes accidentally. Right.

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So we have to really, really be careful when

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we're first starting. Yeah. If you have a puppy

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and you're learning and you're setting it up

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and getting it crate trained and learning how

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to do this, you have to fight through those small

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squabbles up front. Because they're only going

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to get worse. Right. And if you give in one time,

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it's going to get worse the very next time. They'll

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either get louder or they're going to do it faster

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at the time or both. Yeah. So dogs that lack

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structure outside the crate are typically going

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to struggle also more inside the crate. Because

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there's no foundation. There's no standard of

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calm behavior for them to fall back on that they

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realize works. And so you end up with more of

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it and more anxiety. We have to give the dogs

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the opportunity to learn that they can calm themselves

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down. And that's honestly, that's where the crate

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comes into play. Because it's like time in the

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crate teaches them to be neutral to time in the

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crate. Yeah. Which is like, okay, the chicken

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and the egg. Well, how do I get them to be calm

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in the crate? This is the part of the podcast

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where I was like, this is super fast. You just

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do it. Yeah. Now, you can have these random one

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-off issues where a dog's like. No, no, I am

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getting out of here. And they will do everything

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they can to break out of there. Typically, and

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I'm going to cover it right now rather than in

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the second section here, but typically when,

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if you have a highly anxious dog and you're listening

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to this podcast, you're like, oh yeah, that all

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fits my dog. I'm going to encourage you to get

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a high quality crate right off the bat. Don't

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skimp. on a couple of bucks and then end up spending

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just as much if not more by taking them to the

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vet because they hurt themselves trying to break

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out of that little wire crate that you got on

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facebook marketplace yeah i am a huge fan and

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saving money that is not the concept here the

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issue is that i inevitably get the phone calls

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when something goes really badly And a dog breaks

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out of a crate, chews through or breaks the little

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wires, squeezes out of them, punctures themselves

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several times, bleeds all over and gets out.

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And now the owner is horrified when they come

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home. There's blood on the floor. Their dog is

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mostly fine, but super not interested in going

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back in the crate. The crate is destroyed. They're

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taken to the vet. They're super spun up and,

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you know, oh my gosh, what am I going to do?

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And now they're like, now I need professional

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help. Now, some of that stuff could have been

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avoided. And I know not everyone is in a financial

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position to throw a whole bunch of money at an

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ice crate. There are some really, some pretty,

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it's, don't quote me on this, on the, well, that's

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not as high quality as this one. Yeah, for sure.

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Money solves these issues in a, you get what

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you pay for. type of environment however i'll

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just tell you uh without giving a recommendation

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to one or another what we use i am a huge fan

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of roughland kennels i don't have any affiliation

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with them they pay me no money i just like them

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i like them because they're one piece molded

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plastic and they're pretty easy to to uh transport

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around they fit in the back of like an suv They,

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there are little custom fans that can bolt to

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the outside of them. They're pretty easy to clean

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and they do great when you have a whole bunch

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of them and you're tossing them around. Yeah.

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Right. Because you can toss that sucker across

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the room, you know, like after you've cleaned

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them all and you're, you're bringing them inside

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and you're just throwing them inside into the

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garage and they're tumbling around and they're

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great. Yeah. I couldn't probably do that with

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a big metal crate. However, I've used impact

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crates. They're very, very high end. Love them.

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I have been very impressed with their product.

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I have a Rock Creek crate that is a metal, a

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collapsible metal kennel. All of those I've used,

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I like, I have found through recommending them

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to different clients that they, They've had a

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much better time with those because of the way

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that they're made. They don't have any purchase

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points on the inside where the dog can kind of

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get a good grip on something. And that's how

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they initially start gnawing away or grabbing

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or, you know, creating leverage where they can

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eventually try to bust on out of there. Almost

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across the board. I'm just calling it out as

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I see it. I won't like not mentioning. any brands

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of wire crates but in general every bad hero

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or horrific crate incident that i have ever had

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experience with was always a wire kennel or wire

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crate right i mean i don't think we can name

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any brands of wire crates anyways they're just

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wire kennels yeah right it's like whatever the

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the Company is that sells it is usually the the

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big box store. Yeah, it's like their brand. Yeah

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anyway, those that's that's my just professional

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opinion on crates and Crate anxiety if you have

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a crate anxious dog the number one thing that

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you can do right off the bat is save up the money

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and buy something that's that's That's safer

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for your dog so that at least you can check one

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thing off of the peace of mind list and feel

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better about the situation you're in right because

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yeah it'll lessen your anxiety in the long run

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right yeah nothing is gonna make you quit trying

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to work through this more than coming back and

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having an injured dog all right inconsistent

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release timing this is super important because

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it creates more whining over time. Inconsistent

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release just means, well, sometimes you release

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them right when they whine. And sometimes you

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release them after they were quiet for five seconds.

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And sometimes you release them after they were

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quiet for an hour. The issue with that is that

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it's unpredictable. And sometimes you can...

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incorrectly or accidentally teach the dog or

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at least reinforce to the dog that they're being

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released because they whined. Now you're not

00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:56.920
doing that on purpose but that could be the message

00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.920
that the dog gets. So in the second section or

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I'm sorry in the third section I'm going to talk

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about One of my favorite strategies for what

00:18:08.369 --> 00:18:14.609
I call capturing a release time. And that will

00:18:14.609 --> 00:18:18.430
be a strong solution to that. But to highlight

00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:21.930
the issue, if you're not consistent about the

00:18:21.930 --> 00:18:26.349
trigger for why the dog gets out, the dog will

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pick up on the differences and they will be opportunistic.

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Yeah, absolutely. As soon as the dog whines and

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it's like we a lot of times we we look at like

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we're not just waiting for the dog to be quiet

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and still be anxious in there, but be like panting

00:18:42.450 --> 00:18:46.730
and pacing around. You're really looking for

00:18:46.730 --> 00:18:50.289
calmness in the in the grand scheme of things.

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Yeah. So let's talk about some like comfort based

00:18:53.670 --> 00:18:56.509
solutions, because this is usually the solution

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that I see. People do because they either looked

00:19:00.410 --> 00:19:04.789
it up on Google or they chat GPT it and it was

00:19:04.789 --> 00:19:07.470
like, oh, cool. Make it more relaxing for them.

00:19:07.630 --> 00:19:12.910
So comfort based solutions are like adding blankets

00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:18.990
or toys or just reassuring the dog. This can

00:19:18.990 --> 00:19:23.450
work, but it doesn't work for a truly anxious

00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:28.079
dog. It can work for. Like a dog that's at a

00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:31.160
phase, you know, earlier where they're like,

00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:33.440
eh, I don't really like it in here. Yeah. And

00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.640
you're like, hey, it's okay. Like, oh, okay.

00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:40.259
But that's not what we're talking about. We're

00:19:40.259 --> 00:19:44.259
talking about actual crate anxiety. You're not

00:19:44.259 --> 00:19:45.880
going to calm them down no matter what you put

00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.079
in there. Right. As soon as the dog like whines

00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:49.759
or something, they're like on Amazon and they're

00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:51.579
like, I'm going to find some things. Right. Find

00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:53.920
some soft, cuddly things. Make it nicer for him

00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:58.190
because he's sad. Yeah. But. That's us putting

00:19:58.190 --> 00:20:01.970
our emotions on the dog. He's not sad. Right.

00:20:02.549 --> 00:20:07.369
It's more than that. Yeah. He has not learned

00:20:07.369 --> 00:20:11.269
to regulate his own emotions. So sure, there's

00:20:11.269 --> 00:20:13.589
probably some sadness in there, but then there's

00:20:13.589 --> 00:20:16.150
also like 20 other emotions that are flowing

00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:18.849
through. Right. And they just don't understand

00:20:18.849 --> 00:20:21.009
what they're supposed to be doing, but trying

00:20:21.009 --> 00:20:24.230
to give them comfort is not going to give them

00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:26.630
the answer. Right. Yeah, and all of this is done

00:20:26.630 --> 00:20:28.970
out of the goodness of your heart. You want the

00:20:28.970 --> 00:20:32.529
best for your dog, for sure. No version of this

00:20:32.529 --> 00:20:34.390
that I'm saying that anyone's messing this up

00:20:34.390 --> 00:20:37.910
on purpose. It's just that it's not a solution

00:20:37.910 --> 00:20:43.509
that usually works. So toys, constant reassurance,

00:20:43.769 --> 00:20:50.369
it doesn't give any clear expectations related

00:20:50.369 --> 00:20:54.309
to the behavior. It just is like. Here, here's

00:20:54.309 --> 00:20:56.009
another thing. Right, it usually gives them something

00:20:56.009 --> 00:20:58.730
to destroy in the long run. Right, something

00:20:58.730 --> 00:21:03.690
for them to be anxious with. Yeah. Right? And

00:21:03.690 --> 00:21:13.549
so think about it this way. If you never force

00:21:13.549 --> 00:21:18.970
someone to think through a problem, they'll never

00:21:18.970 --> 00:21:23.119
build. the muscle and the solution and the the

00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.960
skills to work through that problem well this

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is the same thing as a dog they're not going

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to learn to calm themselves down by themselves

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right no one's going to teach them that yeah

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so you have to and the way you do that is through

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crate and place yeah as the top two there's other

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things leave it that's a great one but All three

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of those things build on each other. The crate

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is the easiest and most basic one because it's

00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.539
confinement. Place, you have to work on emotional

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regulation and decision -making at the same time,

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including you holding the dog accountable. Your

00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:05.240
accountability is automatically held in a crate

00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:08.319
because they're in a crate. Right. So yeah, don't

00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.140
put your dog on place and expect to just like

00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:11.839
check out from your dog to start off with unless

00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.599
you're doing a tethered place, which is also

00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.220
a good recommendation for very beginning, like

00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:19.759
early stages of just teaching calmness. And then

00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:21.640
that way the tether becomes the accountability

00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.500
piece. So letting a dog out while they're still

00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:29.119
whining is going to teach them that the panic

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works. If they get more panicked, it's... and

00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:39.319
then you come out of wherever you're at and you

00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:42.000
show up and you save the day by letting them

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.480
out this is one of the fastest ways to build

00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.079
long -term crate problems absolutely one of the

00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.160
fastest ways yeah ignoring the problem without

00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.519
a plan can also fail though because if the dog

00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.599
is not learning what to do instead of whining

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you're going to be very unsuccessful because

00:23:03.220 --> 00:23:07.430
you can say No, don't bark. No, don't whine.

00:23:07.490 --> 00:23:10.289
No, don't. But what do you want them to do instead?

00:23:11.529 --> 00:23:16.509
This trips a lot of people up because you end

00:23:16.509 --> 00:23:19.970
up, I end up asking people and I get the craziest

00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:22.430
looks. Well, what do you want the dog to do instead

00:23:22.430 --> 00:23:25.710
of barking? And they'll be like, well, I want

00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:29.950
him to be quiet. Like, right. I got it. How are

00:23:29.950 --> 00:23:32.589
you doing that? How did you teach him to be quiet?

00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:35.529
Did you ever teach him to be quiet? Well, no,

00:23:35.630 --> 00:23:37.650
that's what I want him to do. Right. I got it.

00:23:37.750 --> 00:23:42.509
But did you teach him that? Right. So the concept

00:23:42.509 --> 00:23:47.250
is that you have to teach your dog what you want

00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:51.009
them to do. Yeah. So maybe you want them to lay

00:23:51.009 --> 00:23:54.910
down. And when you have them lay down, that does

00:23:54.910 --> 00:23:59.609
not include barking. So now you can say, no,

00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:04.500
don't bark. You know, in parentheses. No. Down.

00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:09.119
Because down was not taught with a bark. So down

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:13.000
means lay down, be quiet. Yeah. Now you have

00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.240
something that you can tell the dog what you

00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.599
want them to do. That is the most ethical way

00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.279
to do dog training. And the most successful way

00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.140
to do dog training is tell the dog what you want

00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:28.559
to do. That's important. Yep. Absolutely. Okay.

00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:35.000
Let me look at my notes. How do you balance ignoring

00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.859
noise versus actively teaching a calm behavior?

00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:41.460
That's a good one. Okay. Right. Because it's

00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:44.400
it. I think I touched on this earlier, but it's

00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.500
not waiting for the dog to stop making noise

00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:50.740
and like rustling around. It's like I almost

00:24:50.740 --> 00:24:52.839
wait until the point where like the dog is like

00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.259
totally relaxed, like ready to like doze off

00:24:56.259 --> 00:25:01.089
relaxed before. I would say that the dog is actually

00:25:01.089 --> 00:25:05.970
calm because calm to different people may look

00:25:05.970 --> 00:25:08.289
like different things. But if a dog is panting

00:25:08.289 --> 00:25:11.750
and pacing and not settling down, then just because

00:25:11.750 --> 00:25:13.430
they're not whining or barking anymore doesn't

00:25:13.430 --> 00:25:17.450
mean that they're necessarily calm. Right. Okay.

00:25:17.529 --> 00:25:20.109
We're going to jump into the third part here.

00:25:20.809 --> 00:25:22.329
Here's where we're going to throw a whole bunch

00:25:22.329 --> 00:25:27.049
of solutions at you. And to preface this, it's

00:25:27.049 --> 00:25:29.750
super important to remember. That dog training

00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:32.650
is not one size fits all. Some of these things

00:25:32.650 --> 00:25:34.910
might work. Some of these things might not work.

00:25:35.710 --> 00:25:38.809
But that's the crazy part of dog training is

00:25:38.809 --> 00:25:42.170
you're training a live, living, breathing, feeling

00:25:42.170 --> 00:25:45.369
thing. Yeah. Everything's different. And the

00:25:45.369 --> 00:25:48.809
way you do it is different. And that's why one

00:25:48.809 --> 00:25:50.730
of the most frustrating things for owners is

00:25:50.730 --> 00:25:53.809
that they do something. I talk to them on the

00:25:53.809 --> 00:25:55.730
phone, tell them what to do. They do it. It doesn't

00:25:55.730 --> 00:25:58.089
work. I show up. I do it. It works. And they're

00:25:58.089 --> 00:26:03.309
like. What? Well, that comes from there's all

00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:06.630
these tiny little variables. Yeah. How you do

00:26:06.630 --> 00:26:10.609
it, how you say it, the intonation in your voice

00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:12.750
when you say it, the firmness in your voice when

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:16.670
you say it, your energy, your timing, all of

00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:18.630
those things come into play. Yeah, dogs care

00:26:18.630 --> 00:26:20.849
about all those things. They do. They're very,

00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:24.609
very intuitive in those things. So don't get

00:26:24.609 --> 00:26:28.170
frustrated. Keep the emotion out of it and just

00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:31.309
work through it. Yeah. All right. So start by

00:26:31.309 --> 00:26:35.589
creating value for calm behavior. Number one,

00:26:35.589 --> 00:26:40.450
if you don't establish value for the calm behavior,

00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:44.009
the dog will only see value in the crazy behavior.

00:26:44.089 --> 00:26:47.150
That's what seems to get you up to come and let

00:26:47.150 --> 00:26:50.589
him out. The crazy behavior is what gets you

00:26:50.589 --> 00:26:55.940
to yell at him. No, stop it. Don't bark. His

00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:00.440
crazy behavior equals you doing something about

00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.420
it. Right. And I think it doesn't always necessarily

00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:05.720
like start only in the crate either. It's like

00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.440
if you're only expecting your dog to be calm

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.960
when they're in the crate, but you're not also

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.400
reinforcing that sometimes outside of the crate,

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:15.940
then why would they go into it being calm only

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:21.180
in that situation? That's fair. Yeah. So if.

00:27:23.619 --> 00:27:26.740
Let me get back on track. that's super accurate

00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.400
right we have to be consistent not just in the

00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.799
crate but also in all the other things that we

00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:35.920
do calmness is something that is learned through

00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.299
all of the different training that we do and

00:27:38.299 --> 00:27:44.240
a dog cannot settle in the home a dog that cannot

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.339
settle in the home right they're not just gonna

00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:51.759
suddenly settle in confinement yeah when they're

00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:57.710
the most stressed So you have to know what you're

00:27:57.710 --> 00:28:02.289
expecting out of the dog. Yeah. So we have to

00:28:02.289 --> 00:28:06.170
start creating value in that calm behavior outside

00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:10.190
the crate. We have to establish value in the

00:28:10.190 --> 00:28:14.569
calm behavior in the backyard and calm behavior

00:28:14.569 --> 00:28:17.730
in the living room and the bedroom and the every

00:28:17.730 --> 00:28:24.619
room. Yep. Then it transfers. Because you've

00:28:24.619 --> 00:28:27.500
already taught the dog a pattern. All right,

00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:32.420
next. Use clear markers and timing. You need

00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:36.720
to mark for good behavior while they're in the

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.400
crate. There's nothing saying you can't treat

00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.819
your dog while they're in the crate. Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:46.819
When they get quiet and you mark it, they quiet

00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:50.200
down, you count to three, and then you go, yes.

00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.859
And you walk over there. And you give them a

00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:56.259
treat, right? Or whatever your continuation marker

00:28:56.259 --> 00:29:01.019
is that you want them to keep doing it. So that

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:04.700
is a great opportunity to reward the behavior

00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:12.880
that you want. Then quiet can start to become

00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:20.779
a command. Then you can name it. Once you've

00:29:20.779 --> 00:29:24.450
taught it, By rewarding it, you've shown the

00:29:24.450 --> 00:29:27.329
dog that there's, oh, I'm doing something that

00:29:27.329 --> 00:29:32.650
is precipitating this reward. What am I doing?

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:35.190
Oh, I'm being quiet. I'm being calm. Okay, let

00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:37.049
me try that again. Oh, wow, I got another treat.

00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:41.990
And you're creating an actual command there.

00:29:42.269 --> 00:29:45.170
Then you can name it and you can cue it. You

00:29:45.170 --> 00:29:50.099
can put it on cue. Conversely, you can also put

00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:52.740
the barking on cue and then it's even more clear.

00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:55.000
You can tell your dog to bark. You can tell your

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.039
dog to be quiet. That's best case scenario. Yeah,

00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.240
we've been using relax for Dexter and it's like

00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.059
his indicator of like, not only am I asking for

00:30:04.059 --> 00:30:06.279
down, but I'm asking you to like relax onto your

00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.799
hip, like on cue so that I know that he's not

00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:15.480
just going to jump right back up. Yeah. Okay.

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:22.569
Relax behavior. Where am I at? We only want to

00:30:22.569 --> 00:30:25.829
release the dog when the dog is calm. This is

00:30:25.829 --> 00:30:29.170
really important. People misunderstand what calmness

00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:33.210
really is in dogs. And we go, oh, they're quiet

00:30:33.210 --> 00:30:37.670
and they're laying down. They're calm. You need

00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:39.410
to look at some other pieces of their body language.

00:30:39.470 --> 00:30:42.490
If they're panting up a storm, they're not calm.

00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:45.950
If they're licking their lips and they're fidgeting.

00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:50.220
but they're laying down, they're not calm. When

00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:53.319
they're laying on their side with their hip kicked

00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.539
over and their paws outstretched and they're

00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:01.759
just like, you can just tell a difference, right?

00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:06.140
Yeah. You can like feel the energy in a dog when

00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:10.440
they're calm versus like. that like panting type

00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.720
behavior you can definitely like see it you can

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.839
also see it in their eyes and like their forehead

00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.759
and their ears all of those things are going

00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.500
to give you signals of whether the dog is still

00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:21.940
kind of amped up or whether they're truly calm

00:31:21.940 --> 00:31:29.720
yep exactly all right then we can progress gradually

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.500
through this we have to start with real short

00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:36.640
little successful successful repetitions Because

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.700
that builds confidence in the dog. And if you

00:31:40.700 --> 00:31:46.200
go too long, you try to achieve endurance. And

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:50.380
that's like, Bree says this all the time, the

00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:53.279
college versus kindergarten. You've got to start

00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.799
at kindergarten. You have to start with kindergarten

00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.880
tasks. If you were to task a kindergartner with

00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.440
college level math, it's going to go poorly.

00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:04.849
But you forget as soon as it's a dog, it's like,

00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:07.289
well, just lay in the crate. But that's not normal

00:32:07.289 --> 00:32:11.029
for a dog to just know exactly how to calm themselves

00:32:11.029 --> 00:32:15.369
down. So you have to start simple, start slow,

00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:21.910
start easy. Okay. The next thing that I wanted

00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:24.589
to talk through in what are we going to do about

00:32:24.589 --> 00:32:29.809
it? This is called capturing. And I could probably

00:32:29.809 --> 00:32:32.750
talk about. this and the concept for a long time

00:32:32.750 --> 00:32:36.690
i'm going to try to stay on track capturing is

00:32:36.690 --> 00:32:45.849
what we use when your dog barks because they

00:32:45.849 --> 00:32:49.869
hear because they hear you coming right they

00:32:49.869 --> 00:32:54.950
so let's say that your dog is in the crate and

00:32:54.950 --> 00:32:57.289
they have been in the crate for a very long time

00:32:57.289 --> 00:32:59.410
and you're in the other room and you're like

00:32:59.769 --> 00:33:02.750
Oh, wow, they're finally relaxed. So you go to

00:33:02.750 --> 00:33:05.630
get up and you go to open the door and they hear

00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:07.390
you in the other room because the dog's got great

00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:10.730
hearing and they start barking because they hear

00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:13.849
you coming and it ramps them up. Well, now what

00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:17.410
do you do? You have to go sit down again, right?

00:33:17.509 --> 00:33:19.210
And you have to let them calm down because if

00:33:19.210 --> 00:33:23.390
you walk out there right as they barked, it reinforces

00:33:23.390 --> 00:33:26.960
that the barking is what makes you appear. And

00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.680
you're like, oh gosh. And you do this three or

00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.220
four times. You're like, this is a never ending

00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:32.880
loop. They're never gonna come out. I have to

00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.900
let them out. I gotta let them out to go potty.

00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:36.880
I gotta let them, I gotta go. I gotta leave.

00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:40.440
I gotta do other things. I have life to do. All

00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.339
right, here's a solution. We start to pattern

00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:52.240
a new obvious cue that precipitates why you showed

00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.140
up. And so that's what this looks like. It's

00:33:55.140 --> 00:34:00.259
called capturing. we're going to, this is similar.

00:34:00.339 --> 00:34:03.240
I, the reason it's called capturing is, uh, it's

00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.759
actually a medical term for like capturing a

00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.280
heart rate with electrical activity, like in

00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.000
a, like a, an EKG or ECG or whatever. Um, synchronized

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.960
cardio version. There you go. Hold on. Where's

00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.099
my science? Where's my science music? There it

00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:26.230
is. Synchronized cardio version. So the concept

00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:35.369
is that we want to start using an alarm or a

00:34:35.369 --> 00:34:38.210
timer. Something that's the same. Use the same

00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:42.230
one every time. And before you go into the other

00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:47.829
room, you set off the timer. And then you show

00:34:47.829 --> 00:34:51.730
up. Now, you can do this two ways. You can legitimately

00:34:51.730 --> 00:34:55.110
set a timer. You're like, cool. In 30 minutes,

00:34:55.190 --> 00:34:57.849
I'm going to go in there. Cool. Awesome. So set

00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:01.110
a timer for 30 minutes and then barking or not,

00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:05.989
the timer goes off and then you walk in. Yeah.

00:35:07.110 --> 00:35:11.449
So now the next time that you do this, you do

00:35:11.449 --> 00:35:14.269
the exact same thing. You set a timer. When the

00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:17.570
timer goes off, you go in. Now you need to make

00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:21.250
this very consistent and very close to the same

00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:24.940
amount of time. Between when the timer goes off

00:35:24.940 --> 00:35:27.400
and you show up. Yeah. So you make it consistent

00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.860
in the dog's mind too. Now where you go with

00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.500
this is you can start setting that timer longer

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:41.500
and longer. And not reacting or adjusting anything

00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:45.219
that you do in the house now to get around the

00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:48.380
dog. Yeah. So that means by the time you're up

00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:52.480
to. Let's just say that you started at five minutes

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.179
and then you added two more minutes to that and

00:35:56.179 --> 00:35:58.400
then two minutes to that and you doubled that.

00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.500
By the time you get to 20 or 30 minutes of them

00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:03.559
being in the crate, they're going to be looking

00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:08.099
for when is that timer going off. Now when the

00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:10.400
timer goes off, you have to show up every single

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.119
time to let them out because the timer is now

00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.739
predicting when they're going to get out. Once

00:36:17.739 --> 00:36:22.000
you... work all the way up to an hour two hours

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.099
three hours usually my goal is always three hours

00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:29.480
yeah by the time i can get them to stay in the

00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.400
crate and to work through three hours and then

00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.559
the timer goes off and i do that very slowly

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.300
just a few minutes at a time now you fully captured

00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:44.760
their attention on the timer now what happens

00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.289
is you can just use that timer With a five second

00:36:48.289 --> 00:36:51.969
timer when you're ready to get up. Yep. So you're

00:36:51.969 --> 00:36:53.969
in the other room and you're like, all right,

00:36:54.030 --> 00:36:58.050
I'm going to go let him out. And you go five

00:36:58.050 --> 00:37:01.449
seconds. Boom. Let it go. Timer goes off. You

00:37:01.449 --> 00:37:05.489
show up because now the dog is not relating.

00:37:05.590 --> 00:37:11.949
They're barking to your appearance. Yeah. You

00:37:11.949 --> 00:37:16.929
fully captured. The concept that the timer initiates

00:37:16.929 --> 00:37:20.949
your appearance. Once the dog sees that their

00:37:20.949 --> 00:37:23.010
barking and their behavior and their everything

00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:27.090
has nothing to do with when you show up, that

00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:31.429
pattern can start to slowly die off. Yeah. And

00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:33.889
now here's the bad news. Right. Right. That's

00:37:33.889 --> 00:37:35.750
the good news of like how you can actually work

00:37:35.750 --> 00:37:38.269
through that. Yeah. Because there are some dogs

00:37:38.269 --> 00:37:41.250
that like they will just not quit. Yeah. They

00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:45.210
won't stop. Because they truly believe that their

00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:49.349
barking gets them what they want. Yeah. Now,

00:37:49.349 --> 00:37:54.349
the bad news is that there's no quick fix to

00:37:54.349 --> 00:37:58.710
that. And even we've had clients that are like,

00:37:58.789 --> 00:38:02.550
look, you take my money. Just figure it out.

00:38:02.630 --> 00:38:05.190
Yeah. Make it work. I don't want to deal with

00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:08.050
it. This is crazy. I can't deal with it. And

00:38:08.050 --> 00:38:10.349
you know what we do? We put the dog in a crate.

00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:14.039
And we sit outside of the crate and we put headphones

00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:18.019
in. Yeah. And we watch a movie. Yep. Because,

00:38:18.019 --> 00:38:20.480
yeah, it can be rough. Right. And now there are

00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.039
certain circumstances. We're never saying that

00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.420
we're going to ignore a dog in some sort of a

00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:28.340
medical emergency or something like that. That's

00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:29.719
not what we're talking about. We're just talking

00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.900
about a dog throwing a fit. Okay. Let's keep

00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:36.320
it in perspective. But there's no shortcut. You

00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.340
just have to work through it. Yeah. Because it's

00:38:39.340 --> 00:38:42.679
already been learned. and patterned over and

00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.900
over and over and over right yeah that's not

00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:47.579
the first step of yeah that's not the step one

00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:50.760
right it's patterning exactly as you said first

00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.179
and then you just you rip the band -aid off and

00:38:55.179 --> 00:38:58.159
it's like okay well now it's time to try it i

00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.980
work backwards yeah so that you make sure the

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:05.260
dog is safe you make sure that the dog has gone

00:39:05.260 --> 00:39:07.559
out you make sure the dog is fed you make sure

00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.300
the dog has all of its needs true needs met.

00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:18.519
And then it's okay for them to be loud and obnoxious

00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.840
for a little while. There's no way around that.

00:39:23.019 --> 00:39:26.300
They have to just see that their actions aren't

00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:30.019
working and that it's inefficient. A dog does

00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:32.639
not do anything that they don't get some value

00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:38.480
out of. Not forever. They may do it once. They

00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.980
may do it twice. And then it might even get worse

00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:43.519
before it gets better. Yeah, that's the worst.

00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.579
Because that is called an extinction burst. When

00:39:46.579 --> 00:39:50.679
the dog's mind or brain is like, all right, I've

00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.260
tried and tried and tried. I just can't seem

00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:55.480
to get out of here. I just have to put in 100

00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.099
% of my effort. I just have to give it everything

00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:02.019
I have. Obviously, I haven't worked hard enough.

00:40:02.380 --> 00:40:07.179
And then the real floodgates come open. And you're

00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:10.340
like, oh my gosh, it's worse now. I've done something

00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:14.679
wrong. No, that is what happens right before

00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.840
you get that. You get that extinction burst.

00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:21.280
That's what happens right before actual extinction.

00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:26.239
Yeah. And then you start making progress. Yep.

00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:28.320
And it's just important to just hold on to it.

00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.440
Hold on to it. Keep going. Yeah. Keep pushing.

00:40:31.579 --> 00:40:34.719
Yeah, basically. All right. I'm going to open

00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.699
it up for. Questions? If anybody has a question,

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:58.599
now is your time. No questions. All right. No

00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.780
questions tonight. Listener projects. Number

00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:05.110
one, reset the crate association. So we've got

00:41:05.110 --> 00:41:07.269
to place the dog in a crate. We'll start with

00:41:07.269 --> 00:41:11.389
very short durations. Wait for even one or two

00:41:11.389 --> 00:41:17.070
seconds of calm. And then mark with yes. Release

00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:21.050
with free. That's what we do. But you can mark

00:41:21.050 --> 00:41:24.469
with your continuation marker. Give them a good

00:41:24.469 --> 00:41:26.570
job. Atta boy. You're doing the right thing.

00:41:26.710 --> 00:41:29.150
And then release them with your release word

00:41:29.150 --> 00:41:32.300
if they're able to come out. Repeat that multiple

00:41:32.300 --> 00:41:34.619
times a day. They should be going in the crate

00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.900
throughout the day. Here's one that we didn't

00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:39.920
talk about. I'll just mention it quickly. If

00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:41.760
you're only putting the dog in the crate when

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.639
you leave, you're wrong. Yeah. Yeah. You're not

00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.739
doing it right. Right. Because obviously they're

00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:48.960
not going to establish a positive association

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.619
of that. When they go in the crate, they know

00:41:50.619 --> 00:41:52.260
you're leaving them. Yeah. You'll never have

00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:54.559
success with that route. You really won't. You

00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.440
will never accomplish what you're trying to do

00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.119
that way. Because every time that you do that,

00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.099
the dog's like. Ah, got it. You're leaving. We

00:42:03.099 --> 00:42:06.360
don't want that. You have to be it. You have

00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.159
to put the dog in the crate when you're there

00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:13.300
too. Not forever. Just for a while. All right.

00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:18.300
Project number two. Eliminate accidental reinforcement.

00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:23.239
You have to crush this. Because if you don't,

00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.260
once again, there's no hope for you. Because

00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:29.380
you'll constantly accidentally reinforce the

00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:31.719
wrong thing. And every time you do that, especially

00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.039
once it's a learned pattern, every reinforcement

00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.659
counts for three. Every time that you're trying

00:42:38.659 --> 00:42:44.280
to devalue that, that counts for one. So now

00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.440
it's like the one step forward, three steps back

00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.480
issue. Yeah, that's the worst. So do not release

00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.840
the dog while whining, barking, or scratching.

00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:59.519
No matter what. Unless you're using that capturing,

00:42:59.619 --> 00:43:01.800
and that's the value of the capturing concept.

00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.019
Because you technically can get around that.

00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.039
But without some sort of other trigger, marker,

00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.559
or cue, you can't just walk up to a crate and

00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.679
let a dog out that's whining and barking. They

00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.820
will attribute that to their whining and barking.

00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.760
Wait for a clear moment of calm, even if it's

00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.619
brief. Reward that and release. Track your timing.

00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:34.239
Because this is where most owners fail. And shameless

00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.119
plug, this is where the Pawprint Academy app

00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.000
is going to come into play so heavily. Logging.

00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:48.039
In the app, you are able to do quick logs in

00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.900
10 seconds or less. Pull it open. Tap, tap, tap.

00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:55.320
You've got a quick log. You can go in. And with

00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.739
two taps, you can repeat your last log entry.

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:04.639
But the point is that without logging or keeping

00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:08.679
track of your timing, you're not going to be

00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.659
exact. You're not going to know if you're getting

00:44:11.659 --> 00:44:14.980
better or worse. You can go into the full journal

00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:17.159
logs, if you're not just doing a little quick

00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.380
log, and you can put in details about timing.

00:44:22.699 --> 00:44:28.260
You can use, there are multiple different versions

00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:32.440
of the journal that are all quick access depending

00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.099
on what you're logging. If you're going in and

00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:36.800
doing training reps or you're going in and doing

00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.880
potty training or you're going in and doing crate

00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.019
and relaxation and it will guide you through

00:44:42.019 --> 00:44:43.900
all of that. And then you know what happens?

00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:48.340
You save that and every day, this is totally

00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:51.639
free. This isn't even a premium feature. Totally

00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:56.059
for free. Every single day, the AI model that's

00:44:56.059 --> 00:44:59.719
built into there analyzes all of your logs and

00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.059
gives you an exact play -by -play of where you

00:45:04.059 --> 00:45:08.119
are and where you need to go. That is not just

00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.900
random AI guidance that you go online, type in,

00:45:12.980 --> 00:45:16.980
how do I teach my dog to stay in a crate? But

00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:21.159
it actually reads your logs, reads your journal.

00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:26.780
and gives you real life accurate advice for your

00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:30.440
dog in your journey with what you're dealing

00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.159
with. That's going to be super, super important

00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.960
for people. And I hope that you get a chance

00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.559
to take advantage of that. But for now, we are

00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.599
going to call it a night. Thank you so much for

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.579
tuning in. I am super excited to get the app

00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:51.010
out hopefully this next month. We will stay tuned

00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:55.909
for the exact release date. And if you are interested

00:45:55.909 --> 00:45:58.650
in testing that stuff at all, please reach out

00:45:58.650 --> 00:46:01.630
to me. You can reach me at ryan at topdogtrainingnc

00:46:01.630 --> 00:46:05.829
.com or jump on our website, send me a contact

00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:09.349
form right from the website at topdogtrainingnc

00:46:09.349 --> 00:46:12.949
.com. Thanks, guys. Have a great night. Good

00:46:12.949 --> 00:46:13.170
night.
