WEBVTT 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.320 Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:39.240 raising better dogs. My name is Ryan, and I'll 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.119 be your host for this journey. I've got my trusty 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.740 co -host here, Brianna. Hello. And together, 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.619 we're bringing you real -world training insights 00:00:46.619 --> 00:00:49.359 built on leadership, structure, and proven methods. 00:00:50.020 --> 00:00:52.619 We record this podcast with live clients on the 00:00:52.619 --> 00:00:55.880 line in one take with live, unscripted questions 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.679 and answers. At the end of the day, this podcast 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.700 is a lot more than just teaching your dog to 00:01:00.700 --> 00:01:05.049 sit or stay. creating calmness, and becoming 00:01:05.049 --> 00:01:08.010 the kind of leader your dog truly needs. We do 00:01:08.010 --> 00:01:10.450 that with our three pillar method of trust, obey, 00:01:10.670 --> 00:01:13.909 and perform. Together, we'll show you how these 00:01:13.909 --> 00:01:17.409 three pillars shape every step of training. Thanks 00:01:17.409 --> 00:01:38.739 for being here. Let's get started. Episode 26. 00:01:39.060 --> 00:01:44.299 We are halfway there. Six months in. Oh, I was 00:01:44.299 --> 00:01:47.700 like halfway to where? What's what's. Yeah. Episode 00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:54.760 26. 26. The goal was to have what do one podcast 00:01:54.760 --> 00:02:00.200 a week for a year. And well, we're not going 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.659 to hit that exactly because there has been a 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:07.079 couple of. Little hang -ups and snafus and sicknesses 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:11.699 and normal life events. Yeah. But we are cooking 00:02:11.699 --> 00:02:16.280 with gas, moving right along. And we are at episode 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.719 26. Today we're talking about pulling towards 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:25.560 dogs or people, which is the gateway to reactivity. 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:32.060 Yeah. It's not textbook reactivity where everybody 00:02:32.060 --> 00:02:36.370 goes, oh yeah, my dog's aggressive. But this 00:02:36.370 --> 00:02:42.389 is the precursor that typically causes some of 00:02:42.389 --> 00:02:47.830 those things. Or I guess that's probably the 00:02:47.830 --> 00:02:54.169 wrong way to say it. Causes is probably not the 00:02:54.169 --> 00:02:58.789 same as segues into. It's the precursor. It contributes. 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:03.479 It patterns this concept. But it doesn't cause 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.780 it, right? The cause could simply just be, oh, 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.180 I wanted to go see that thing. Yeah. So let's 00:03:10.180 --> 00:03:12.939 talk about it. Tonight, we're going to talk about 00:03:12.939 --> 00:03:17.360 how dogs that pull towards people or other dogs, 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:22.979 it's not just them being friendly. And that's 00:03:22.979 --> 00:03:25.599 typically the part, I'm going to pause there, 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.479 it's typically the part that we see when we go 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:33.060 to like a local brewery. or a local place in 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:39.080 public and you see a dog that's off the chain 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.199 right just like pulling and pulling and pulling 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.139 and their owners like getting pulled behind him 00:03:43.139 --> 00:03:45.680 and they're like don't worry he's friendly yep 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:52.280 right off the bat right off the bat so it's not 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:57.270 about the dog being friendly yeah because That 00:03:57.270 --> 00:04:01.270 dog is exhibiting a behavior that later you're 00:04:01.270 --> 00:04:04.009 not going to like. Right. It's like a kid running 00:04:04.009 --> 00:04:06.610 straight through the restaurant, like way ahead 00:04:06.610 --> 00:04:08.430 of you, not even like anywhere near you. And 00:04:08.430 --> 00:04:12.729 you're like, ah, he's two, you know. Okay. Right. 00:04:12.830 --> 00:04:16.629 But dogs typically don't grow out of behaviors. 00:04:16.850 --> 00:04:21.629 They grow into them. They do. And wherever they 00:04:21.629 --> 00:04:23.850 are right now, they're living, breathing things, 00:04:24.029 --> 00:04:26.189 right? They're not going to just stay the same. 00:04:26.860 --> 00:04:30.860 You're either getting, the patterns are getting 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:33.259 stronger, they're getting weaker. Patterns rarely 00:04:33.259 --> 00:04:35.620 ever stay the same. Right. Things get better 00:04:35.620 --> 00:04:41.439 or things get worse. Correct. So the dog is rehearsing 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.019 what we would call fixation and entitlement. 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.899 If a dog thinks that they can get to something 00:04:49.899 --> 00:04:54.709 and they think that they should get to it. Regardless 00:04:54.709 --> 00:04:58.889 of what you say or do, that is the precursor 00:04:58.889 --> 00:05:03.629 to a potential big problem. Yeah, because they 00:05:03.629 --> 00:05:07.810 can become just obsessed. Right, and who says 00:05:07.810 --> 00:05:10.089 that it stops there? That's a pattern that can 00:05:10.089 --> 00:05:12.970 be conditioned to then create a bigger issue. 00:05:13.389 --> 00:05:19.329 And typically, this is the part where us sitting 00:05:19.329 --> 00:05:22.769 behind the mics as dog trainers. It's easy for 00:05:22.769 --> 00:05:26.509 us to go, ah, see, that's a problem. But that's 00:05:26.509 --> 00:05:30.870 because we see the worst of it afterwards. Yeah. 00:05:30.930 --> 00:05:32.490 Somebody told me that the other day. Because 00:05:32.490 --> 00:05:34.449 that's when they call us. Right. They're like, 00:05:34.529 --> 00:05:37.709 this is out of control. Yeah. I heard a dog bark 00:05:37.709 --> 00:05:39.209 in public the other day and I was like, ooh. 00:05:39.470 --> 00:05:41.829 And somebody was like, it's weird how you react 00:05:41.829 --> 00:05:44.569 to like that. And I'm just like. Oh, there's 00:05:44.569 --> 00:05:47.329 a dog barking. And I'm like, right. That dog's 00:05:47.329 --> 00:05:49.529 got some sort of problem somewhere. You know, 00:05:49.550 --> 00:05:53.449 it's not just like, it didn't just have a Tourette's 00:05:53.449 --> 00:05:56.790 like episode. I remember you saying that though, 00:05:56.870 --> 00:06:00.980 but you were also commenting on. how they weren't 00:06:00.980 --> 00:06:03.240 barking before right exactly because they're 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.439 trying to tell you precipitated because of something 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.860 yeah like one person walked in and they decided 00:06:07.860 --> 00:06:09.500 to bark at that one person and they had been 00:06:09.500 --> 00:06:11.480 there for like a half hour like people in and 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.839 out like whatever right and they decided to bark 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.420 at that one person it's like yeah right right 00:06:16.420 --> 00:06:19.079 they don't do nothing yeah they don't do things 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:23.060 for no reason right there's always a reason the 00:06:23.060 --> 00:06:27.620 effort to put in You know, the effort of barking 00:06:27.620 --> 00:06:31.160 at that person. So, yeah, it's saying something. 00:06:32.339 --> 00:06:34.720 But most people don't see it that way. They're 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.379 just like, ah, that dog's saying hi. And this 00:06:37.379 --> 00:06:41.100 is why we call this the first step towards reactivity 00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:46.740 if left unchecked. Yeah. So we really have to 00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:51.120 get on this. Dog training is very much like. 00:06:51.850 --> 00:06:54.230 What the medical field really should be, which 00:06:54.230 --> 00:06:57.529 is more prevention based. The unfortunate reality 00:06:57.529 --> 00:07:03.449 is that most medicine these days is done reactively. 00:07:03.610 --> 00:07:06.069 Yeah, I hate a doctor. Right. We don't really 00:07:06.069 --> 00:07:08.490 focus on like nutrition and the things that could 00:07:08.490 --> 00:07:13.060 prevent these things. So instead we throw. band 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:14.839 -aids at it right and then we're there when we 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.959 don't feel good right we throw medicines and 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.800 we're like i hate you guys they're like well 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.959 dog training is the same concept if we protect 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:29.980 our dogs um patterns and behaviors from progressing 00:07:29.980 --> 00:07:32.740 you don't have to deal with them later down the 00:07:32.740 --> 00:07:34.699 road right there's no problem unless there's 00:07:34.699 --> 00:07:37.500 a problem right it's fine until it's not yeah 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:41.420 and i say that all the time people are like well 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.360 Is it okay if my dog jumps on the couch? And 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.639 I'm like, yeah, of course. It's fine until it's 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.300 not. And that's always the truth. Right. That's 00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:54.139 always true. Can my dog sleep in the bed with 00:07:54.139 --> 00:07:58.000 me? Yeah, it's fine until it's not. But I am 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.680 the one that gets the call when someone wakes 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.839 up in the middle of the night and the dog is 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.240 like standing on their chest growling at them. 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.680 Yeah. Or they roll over. And the dog bites them 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:12.439 in the middle of the night because you rolled 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.699 on top of the dog and the dog was like, no, you 00:08:14.699 --> 00:08:19.480 get off of my space. Yeah. And suddenly it's 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.480 a problem. But it wasn't before. Yeah. But now 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.360 it is. Okay. We've beat around that one long 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:30.740 enough. So pulling is not social. It's the beginning 00:08:30.740 --> 00:08:39.860 of obsession. And. pulling towards another dog 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:46.580 or person it's it can be driven by arousal it's 00:08:46.580 --> 00:08:51.080 it's not really calm social behavior right it's 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.740 usually arousal it's usually dogs are stoked 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:57.399 right right and that's where the oh he's friendly 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.919 he's having a great time yeah he's he's this 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.259 he's or she's that whatever Those things come 00:09:04.259 --> 00:09:08.279 from this concept where we put our emotions on 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.000 the dog. Yeah. And we go, ah, they're so excited. 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:19.620 But the reason the dog does it isn't simply excitement 00:09:19.620 --> 00:09:25.720 of happiness. Excitement is also got other emotions 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:30.700 and urges and thought processes and patterns 00:09:30.700 --> 00:09:32.740 built into it. Right, because we always say an 00:09:32.740 --> 00:09:35.200 excited dog is not always a happy dog. It's just 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.600 like an over aroused dog. It's an overstimulated 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:44.139 dog. Yeah. So the dog's not really thinking in 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:46.799 that instance, right? They're just reacting. 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:52.899 And the reason why we call it reactivity is because 00:09:52.899 --> 00:09:54.700 that's what the dog is doing. They're just reacting. 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.600 Right, they're not thinking. So if we see a dog 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:04.379 pull an owner across the... I'm trying not to 00:10:04.379 --> 00:10:07.980 always use the brewery as an example, but through 00:10:07.980 --> 00:10:11.519 the public place, right? The restaurant, wherever 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:17.720 you are that's dog friendly, that is a reactive 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:24.820 dog. They're reacting to something. Every successful 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:30.240 pull where the dog pulls hard and gets to somewhere, 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:36.720 is self -reinforcing. So the dog just learns 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.919 that that pressure, that intensity, the discomfort 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.779 on their neck from pulling and pulling and pulling, 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.480 it's all just par for the course. It's all just 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.580 something the dog has to deal with in order to 00:10:51.580 --> 00:10:55.759 get what they want. And whatever they want, they're 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.440 willing to put up with that in order to get this. 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:04.820 And we accidentally allow this all the time. 00:11:04.940 --> 00:11:08.620 Every time the dog pulls to get to something, 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.399 it doesn't matter if it's pulling 20 feet across 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.740 the restaurant or five feet outside your driveway. 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:23.320 Yeah. It is the same process for the dog. All 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:32.139 right. Over time, excitement. can turn into frustration 00:11:32.139 --> 00:11:36.960 as well. And so it's not just about, oh, the 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.639 dog's just excited, they're excited. Well, the 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.940 more that they get to where they're going, the 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:47.220 more that they succeed at taking space that they 00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:51.299 want, the more that pattern is driven to drive 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:56.100 the dog to want things and to chase that self 00:11:56.100 --> 00:12:01.080 -rewarding behavior. So now you've conditioned 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:06.460 this cycle that the dog, I want this, I go and 00:12:06.460 --> 00:12:10.519 I take it. I want that. I pull you and we go 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:14.940 and get it. Yeah. Well, now suddenly there is 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:18.980 a dog or a thing that you're like, no, that's 00:12:18.980 --> 00:12:22.019 unacceptable. Even though I've let you pull me 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:25.220 on all these other things. Now that, no, no, 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.639 you can't have that. Leave it. leave it i hear 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.559 this all no leave it right but you didn't pattern 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.179 that in all these other situations you didn't 00:12:37.179 --> 00:12:41.720 teach that in all these less exciting situations 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.919 right leave it only works if you've like ripped 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.620 it out in other successful situations it's like 00:12:46.620 --> 00:12:48.960 recall and emergencies right if you haven't taught 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.120 it on the back end like your dog is not learning 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:57.549 right there yeah so over time It ends up turning 00:12:57.549 --> 00:13:00.830 into frustration and it easily segues into frustration 00:13:00.830 --> 00:13:05.330 when the dog doesn't get to go where they want. 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:10.929 Yep. Now you've got a frustrated dog and a dog 00:13:10.929 --> 00:13:14.210 that's feeling the anxiety and the frustration 00:13:14.210 --> 00:13:16.950 and the excitement and all of these things all 00:13:16.950 --> 00:13:20.289 at the same time. Yeah. And then typically it's 00:13:20.289 --> 00:13:24.940 not all the time. There's some very. passive 00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:28.019 relaxed dogs at home that are very reactive to 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:31.440 other dogs that is totally possible but usually 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:36.600 the most reactive dogs that we're talking about 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.019 that people kind of like you picture in your 00:13:39.019 --> 00:13:41.639 head if you talk about a reactive dog usually 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.299 they're not calm at home usually they don't lay 00:13:44.299 --> 00:13:48.019 on place right usually they don't just do whatever 00:13:48.019 --> 00:13:50.139 you ask or whatever you say they don't leave 00:13:50.139 --> 00:13:56.799 it that articulates the issue yeah right that 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.899 that kind of frames the problem right i always 00:13:59.899 --> 00:14:03.580 think of like imagine it's like your three -year 00:14:03.580 --> 00:14:09.059 -old's birthday party and they're like on ice 00:14:09.059 --> 00:14:11.360 cream and cake and they've had the party and 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.500 it's been hours and they've been jumping in the 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:16.100 little like play place and whatever and all their 00:14:16.100 --> 00:14:19.019 friends are there and after three hours they're 00:14:19.019 --> 00:14:21.559 in tears and they're crying and they're screaming 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:26.860 and nothing can like console them yeah right 00:14:26.860 --> 00:14:29.480 because they're just they just hit this peak 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:33.580 where they can't even handle like the level of 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:36.919 emotion that they're at even if it is good it's 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:41.679 like overwhelmingly good and then they just crash 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.659 down to like the lowest right and that's how 00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:49.159 it is for a dog too just to get that overstimulated 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.980 and that excited to be around like That space. 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:59.559 Right. So when the access to those things is 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.779 denied or the owner is like, no, you can't have 00:15:02.779 --> 00:15:05.940 that. Yeah. That same behavior escalates very 00:15:05.940 --> 00:15:09.519 quickly. And that's when we get the barking and 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.840 the lunging and the full blown blow ups and reactivity. 00:15:12.980 --> 00:15:20.500 Yep. So. Before I jump into what we're going 00:15:20.500 --> 00:15:30.460 to do about it. Let's talk about where the battle 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:37.779 really takes place here. Usually when we're on 00:15:37.779 --> 00:15:43.759 the walk, loose leash walking, which is kind 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:47.730 of our goal, it's not just a skill. It's not 00:15:47.730 --> 00:15:51.669 like, just go and show me some loose leash walking. 00:15:51.929 --> 00:15:56.049 And if you do all of the little techniques exactly 00:15:56.049 --> 00:15:59.730 right in the right sequence, suddenly your dog 00:15:59.730 --> 00:16:03.750 just listens. That doesn't happen. And this is 00:16:03.750 --> 00:16:07.950 the most frustrating thing for owners when we 00:16:07.950 --> 00:16:14.529 do dog training. You can go, and this is... Without 00:16:14.529 --> 00:16:17.730 me going down the science and playing the science 00:16:17.730 --> 00:16:23.730 music with you, you can look up on YouTube and 00:16:23.730 --> 00:16:27.509 you can see a whole bunch of the designer dog 00:16:27.509 --> 00:16:32.490 trainers out there and go, Oh, see, they got 00:16:32.490 --> 00:16:35.690 this dog to walk with them right next to them. 00:16:35.750 --> 00:16:40.070 They fix the reactivity in one session. That's 00:16:40.070 --> 00:16:44.820 not, it's not typical. Can it happen? Yes. Yeah. 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:50.879 But can the dog show you, okay, yeah, I don't 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.940 want any more of the smoke or whatever it is 00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:57.019 that the trainer put on them in order to get 00:16:57.019 --> 00:17:02.600 them to walk next to them. But now I'm going 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.700 to walk next to you until the next opportunity 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:09.500 I get to be back with my parents or back with 00:17:09.500 --> 00:17:12.859 a different person, right? Right. I'm not doing 00:17:12.859 --> 00:17:15.440 a good job of explaining this because I can see 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:20.640 on your face. But there is a mismatch between 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:28.339 what some people see in a video as cool. The 00:17:28.339 --> 00:17:31.519 problem has been fixed. They just did the special 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:36.960 little techniques and we Caesar Milan'd him and 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:44.109 suddenly the dog behaves. But if you don't build 00:17:44.109 --> 00:17:49.170 that relationship, the fix is temporary. Right. 00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.430 Because you can walk by one dog successfully 00:17:51.430 --> 00:17:55.970 one time. Right. And so where I'm going with 00:17:55.970 --> 00:17:58.730 this is that all of this is relationship based. 00:17:58.809 --> 00:18:03.549 The concept of loose leash walking is based on 00:18:03.549 --> 00:18:06.089 the relationship between you and your dog. Yeah. 00:18:06.430 --> 00:18:09.829 If you don't have one. Yeah. The dog's not going 00:18:09.829 --> 00:18:15.039 to want to walk with you. Who in your life walks 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.420 with you who you don't have a relationship with? 00:18:18.619 --> 00:18:22.859 Yeah. No one. Right. You don't even ask someone 00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:25.480 to go for a walk with you. You don't ask strangers 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:31.640 to go for a walk with you. So it's crazy to think 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.799 that you can live in the same house with a dog 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:35.259 and not have a relationship with them. But I 00:18:35.259 --> 00:18:38.980 see it all the time. Yeah. I see it all the time. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.759 Where, yeah, the dog lives there, but they don't 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.180 respect you. They don't look to you for guidance. 00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:47.720 They don't look to you for, hey, well, what are 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.980 you doing? They look to you for, where's the 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:52.480 food? When are you going to pet me? When are 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.000 you going to cuddle me? Are you going to keep 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.380 me safe? But that doesn't necessarily mean the 00:18:57.380 --> 00:19:03.759 dog is like dependent on you. They can be like 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.940 physically dependent on you, but not like emotionally. 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.299 They don't really care where you are or what 00:19:08.299 --> 00:19:15.799 you're doing. All right. The dog really dictates 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.880 the direction and the pace here. All right. When 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.599 your leadership gets compromised and you're no 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.559 longer leading this interaction, how do you expect 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:31.940 to get the dog to just do what you say? Well, 00:19:32.059 --> 00:19:36.589 this is where the big debate over. aversive techniques 00:19:36.589 --> 00:19:40.069 and corrective tools and collars and all of these 00:19:40.069 --> 00:19:44.130 things ends up, if you have built a relationship, 00:19:44.369 --> 00:19:48.769 then tools and collars and, and all of these 00:19:48.769 --> 00:19:51.829 things can, can be used simply as accountability 00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:56.529 processes rather than coercive techniques and 00:19:56.529 --> 00:20:02.109 aversive stimulus for the dog. Yep. That being 00:20:02.109 --> 00:20:05.259 said, This is where a lot of people go wrong 00:20:05.259 --> 00:20:08.240 because they just go, I'm just going to rely 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.359 on this collar. I'm just going to rely on this 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.720 tool. I'm going to rely on this whatever. And 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.680 the dog's not going to cross me. See, you lost 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:19.720 it. Because now you don't have the relationship. 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.059 All right. Allowing a dog to pull towards distractions 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:28.039 typically just teaches them to prioritize the 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.220 environment over the handler. And this is where 00:20:31.220 --> 00:20:33.609 your relationship breaks down. suddenly you've 00:20:33.609 --> 00:20:37.410 lost value the environment has gained value yeah 00:20:37.410 --> 00:20:40.509 and now what point does that the dog have to 00:20:40.509 --> 00:20:42.710 right that's what i tell people with puppies 00:20:42.710 --> 00:20:44.289 all the time i'm like the worst thing you can 00:20:44.289 --> 00:20:46.710 do for your puppy is just to let everybody like 00:20:46.710 --> 00:20:49.210 come over and pet your puppy because it just 00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:52.269 teaches your dog to to check out from you and 00:20:52.269 --> 00:20:55.390 check into everything else around you right it's 00:20:55.390 --> 00:20:58.890 a repetition over and over and over If the good 00:20:58.890 --> 00:21:00.829 things aren't coming from you, they're coming 00:21:00.829 --> 00:21:03.450 from somewhere else. And when you have a puppy, 00:21:03.609 --> 00:21:07.069 it's the number one time that you should be the 00:21:07.069 --> 00:21:13.549 only thing of value to that dog. Right. You got 00:21:13.549 --> 00:21:16.349 an entire life for people to pet your dog. So 00:21:16.349 --> 00:21:22.430 many years of pets. When you only take them out 00:21:22.430 --> 00:21:24.309 a few times and every time that you take them 00:21:24.309 --> 00:21:26.609 out. Yeah. Because you're always going to think, 00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:28.490 oh, I'm just going to go out some more. I'm going 00:21:28.490 --> 00:21:33.150 to go out again. We'll get more chances. That's 00:21:33.150 --> 00:21:36.589 just typically not what we see. Yeah. So when 00:21:36.589 --> 00:21:40.230 you let everyone else bring the value, that's 00:21:40.230 --> 00:21:44.470 where the relationship tends to break down. Yeah. 00:21:44.470 --> 00:21:46.430 It's like if you have $20, every time someone 00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:50.160 pets your puppy, you lose a dollar. 20 pets and 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.059 you're out of dollars and all the strangers have 00:21:52.059 --> 00:21:54.119 your money. No more dollars. Yeah. And the puppy's 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.799 like, well, she doesn't have any money. So I'm 00:21:55.799 --> 00:22:03.119 going over here. Okay. The neutrality is really 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.740 our goal with this. Okay. So when we talk about 00:22:05.740 --> 00:22:08.220 neutrality, right, we're just looking for the 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:13.960 dog. We're not looking to make you so, to make 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:18.019 you so positive that the dog never looks at anything 00:22:18.019 --> 00:22:20.609 else. That's that's not what we're going to probably 00:22:20.609 --> 00:22:22.410 accomplish. It's like crate training. We're never 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:25.069 going to make the crate so pleasurable and so 00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:28.769 great that the dog chooses it with the door open 00:22:28.769 --> 00:22:30.609 over the couch laying right there if they're 00:22:30.609 --> 00:22:33.990 allowed on both. Right. It's just that doesn't 00:22:33.990 --> 00:22:35.650 make it doesn't make any sense. Right. Which 00:22:35.650 --> 00:22:39.329 one would you go in? Yeah, definitely. For sure. 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:45.299 So the dog should be able to exist, though, around 00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:49.019 people and dogs without needing to engage them. 00:22:49.539 --> 00:22:53.119 I keep using this example, but it's it's just 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.220 so true. I have zero dogs that I've ever been 00:22:57.220 --> 00:23:00.859 called for because they're reactive to trees. 00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:06.859 And people are like, well, yeah, obviously. Right. 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.150 Obviously, because trees are scenery. Why are 00:23:10.150 --> 00:23:11.470 they scenery, though? I mean, I don't know. Gabe 00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:14.650 doesn't love a tree. He does. It blows in the 00:23:14.650 --> 00:23:16.549 wind, and he doesn't like wind. That's fair. 00:23:17.829 --> 00:23:22.509 Except for Gabe. The least of our problems is 00:23:22.509 --> 00:23:27.789 trees. Right. He has other issues. Mental stability 00:23:27.789 --> 00:23:33.049 issues. Yeah. But the concept is, and everyone 00:23:33.049 --> 00:23:35.509 just shakes their head, well, duh, of course. 00:23:36.269 --> 00:23:39.470 But why aren't dogs reactive to trees, most dogs? 00:23:39.849 --> 00:23:41.890 Because no trees are trying to touch dogs. Right. 00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:44.950 There's no value there. It's just scenery. They 00:23:44.950 --> 00:23:47.589 never do anything. Yeah. They're just over there. 00:23:47.910 --> 00:23:53.950 Mm -hmm. Right. So if you let your dog see a 00:23:53.950 --> 00:23:57.569 lot of other dogs, see a lot of other people, 00:23:57.690 --> 00:24:02.309 be around those things, and everything that you 00:24:02.309 --> 00:24:05.029 do and engage the dog is completely the same, 00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:08.759 There's no reason that those things bring more 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.900 value. Yeah. One great place like for puppies 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:15.500 is like big parks, right? Stump Sound here locally 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:17.960 is a great one. There's a really big one in Wilmington. 00:24:17.980 --> 00:24:20.660 I think it's like Longleaf or maybe they changed 00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:23.039 the name. I don't know. But that's a really, 00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:26.740 really good one. And there's always people and 00:24:26.740 --> 00:24:30.720 kids and adults and sports and dogs and like 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.039 lawn equipment and cars and all these things 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.890 going back and forth. You can pick places that 00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:38.730 are at such a distance that it's just scenery 00:24:38.730 --> 00:24:42.029 to a dog. And nobody really interrupts people 00:24:42.029 --> 00:24:45.529 at parks to typically go, oh, let me pet your 00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:48.730 dog. But in close proximities, like coffee shops 00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:51.390 and things like that, it's just easier for people 00:24:51.390 --> 00:24:54.150 to be like, oh, can I pet your dog? And if you 00:24:54.150 --> 00:24:56.869 are at a park and somebody comes over to do that, 00:24:56.970 --> 00:24:58.650 there's enough distance to where you can see 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:00.970 them coming to be like, oh, sorry, we're working 00:25:00.970 --> 00:25:04.859 on just engaging with each other over here. Thanks 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:08.460 for asking. But it's a great place for puppy 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:10.920 exposure that a lot of people don't take the 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.819 step to go to, I think. Yeah. Because it's boring, 00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:17.279 right? I mean, nobody wants to just like go to 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.759 a park and just like sit down with their dog, 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:23.480 you know? Right. But a dog is always going to 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.839 be a product of what you consistently pattern. 00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:33.640 Yeah. Additionally, what is another way? that 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.059 you would explain to a client how less interaction 00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:41.960 like creates a more stable dog? I think it's 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:46.160 like, so I can always relate something back to 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.539 like kids, but it's like a constantly engaged 00:25:49.539 --> 00:25:52.640 person. It's like micromanagement. There we go. 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.220 That's a pretty good one that everybody could 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:57.000 like relate to. It's micromanagement. When it 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.880 comes down to it, if you have a micromanager 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.859 that's like, hey, did you do this? Hey, do you? 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.380 You have to be on this call at this time and 00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:07.940 then send this email and do this. And it's just 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:12.279 such a steep level that you have no choice in 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.279 the matter. And it's just being thrown at you 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.559 every which way. It becomes so overstimulating 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.799 that you don't have the option to, you learn 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:28.980 to not relax in a state other than chaos. And 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:33.920 so you get so used to it that at some point you're 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.759 just you you live in that state and you live 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.000 in a heightened environment. And what people 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.019 don't realize is it comes down to like chemical 00:26:45.019 --> 00:26:49.569 makeup of. hormones and different things like 00:26:49.569 --> 00:26:51.730 that are you gonna play the science song yeah 00:26:51.730 --> 00:26:54.250 here's our science one right so it comes down 00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:57.430 to cortisol and dopamine and all the receptors 00:26:57.430 --> 00:26:59.670 in the brain that speak to each other at a at 00:26:59.670 --> 00:27:03.589 a level that it affects how your your mind works 00:27:03.589 --> 00:27:08.130 and how you think and process and function on 00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:10.670 a day -to -day level it's the same with humans 00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:14.569 and dogs function the exact same way chemically 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.420 And if you disrupt that to a level where it's 00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:22.579 like they only learn to live at level 100, it's 00:27:22.579 --> 00:27:24.799 like even at a calm state, you don't get a dog 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.900 that goes to zero. You get a dog that goes to 00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:31.200 like 40. And 40 is not relaxed. Right. They're 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.279 not at a baseline. It might look relaxed compared 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.900 to their normal. Right. But it's not. But that 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:38.039 doesn't mean that it's a healthy relaxed. Yeah. 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.220 You need a dog that knows how to go from 100 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:46.190 to zero. And if not, there's going to be some 00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:49.309 level of balance, right? At some points, maybe 00:27:49.309 --> 00:27:51.890 one day you only get to 80 and the next day they 00:27:51.890 --> 00:27:54.750 get down to 20. So you're getting closer and 00:27:54.750 --> 00:27:57.190 you might get closer day by day, but then there's 00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:58.970 like something that happens and you're back at 00:27:58.970 --> 00:28:02.130 100 because they were stuck in their kennel and 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.190 they didn't get the exercise they needed and 00:28:04.190 --> 00:28:06.369 all these other things because it was raining 00:28:06.369 --> 00:28:12.049 and whatever it may be. you have to think about 00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:16.089 those balances and what you're trying to always 00:28:16.089 --> 00:28:20.490 like level out in in your dog and I think that's 00:28:20.490 --> 00:28:22.170 how we kind of like think of it especially with 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:24.930 our most like high drive dog it's like what can 00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:29.589 we always try to do daily different because he 00:28:29.589 --> 00:28:32.829 gets so pattern based because he's so driven 00:28:32.829 --> 00:28:35.150 it's like cool how can we feed him different 00:28:35.150 --> 00:28:38.029 this morning and you know, at dinnertime, how 00:28:38.029 --> 00:28:39.829 can we feed him different compared to this morning 00:28:39.829 --> 00:28:42.269 versus last night? It's like, let's not do it 00:28:42.269 --> 00:28:44.190 double times in a row because he might catch 00:28:44.190 --> 00:28:48.910 on to something. Who knows? It's just so disruptive 00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:52.910 to like the structure that we tell people to 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:56.190 create. But you have to meet your dog at a level 00:28:56.190 --> 00:29:01.329 where you can balance those things out. Nice. 00:29:01.329 --> 00:29:03.369 I love that. That was a long science lesson. 00:29:03.569 --> 00:29:04.670 That was a long science lesson. There weren't 00:29:04.670 --> 00:29:07.690 really like statistics in there. No, but I like 00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:10.609 it. You said dopamine. So that was a science 00:29:10.609 --> 00:29:12.490 word. As soon as we start talking about those 00:29:12.490 --> 00:29:14.690 things, we're off on a science lesson. I love 00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:19.049 it. So now let's talk about prevention. We've 00:29:19.049 --> 00:29:21.470 highlighted the problem. We've talked about a 00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:27.150 little bit what the issue is and how we explain 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:34.190 it. Now let's talk about prevention. and how 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:39.569 we can use those things to avoid an issue before 00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:45.009 it begins. Additionally, remind me at the end, 00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:49.549 I have an explanation for some of this that it's 00:29:49.549 --> 00:29:51.529 not a science lesson, but I think it'll help. 00:29:51.690 --> 00:29:53.529 I'll try my best. I'm not very good at coming 00:29:53.529 --> 00:29:57.970 back to things later. Okay. The mistake most 00:29:57.970 --> 00:30:02.589 owners make is, We wait too long. Yeah. Wait 00:30:02.589 --> 00:30:06.529 too long. Excuse me. Yeah, that's pretty common. 00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:11.309 So we see the kind of the issue and we go, ah, 00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:13.789 it's going to go away. Yeah. Ah, they probably 00:30:13.789 --> 00:30:17.970 won't do that next time. Mm -hmm. And when you 00:30:17.970 --> 00:30:22.109 see it, if you see something, say something. 00:30:22.470 --> 00:30:27.430 That concept, same thing. Yeah. When you see 00:30:27.430 --> 00:30:31.829 it, do something about it. Yeah. Because the 00:30:31.829 --> 00:30:34.910 dog for sure saw it. Remember the concept of 00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:37.450 their little scientists. Yeah. And they're always 00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:41.450 running experiments. And so they definitely saw 00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:44.690 it. Yeah. Oh, I did this. Oh, it worked. Oh, 00:30:44.750 --> 00:30:47.170 that's cool. I'll do that again. Right. And then. 00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:49.869 Yeah. And that's the same with the reactivity 00:30:49.869 --> 00:30:51.710 train, right? If it's like you watch your dog 00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:53.609 at the end of the leash, like their ears perk 00:30:53.609 --> 00:30:56.230 up and their forehead wrinkles and stuff. It's 00:30:56.230 --> 00:30:58.900 like. they're already on that path. Like you're 00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:01.920 not going to divert them by like trying to scrape 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.359 out like a little path in the sand and be like, 00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:06.480 no, no, no, no. Come back this way. You waited 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.779 too long. Like there, there was already the fork 00:31:08.779 --> 00:31:10.259 and they already went right. And you're already 00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:13.019 on the left one. When the snowball run goes down 00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:15.180 the hill and it's getting bigger and bigger at 00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:17.579 a certain point, you can't move that sucker. 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.460 It's just going, you should have done it before. 00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:27.609 That's exactly, that is exactly, reactivity in 00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:30.130 a nutshell yeah we have to break it and redirect 00:31:30.130 --> 00:31:32.650 it right and it sucks right like nobody wants 00:31:32.650 --> 00:31:35.809 to hear that it sucks it's not it's not a fun 00:31:35.809 --> 00:31:38.109 train to be on i'm not even gonna like sugarcoat 00:31:38.109 --> 00:31:41.410 it reactivity sucks it's hard and it takes a 00:31:41.410 --> 00:31:44.329 long time to fix but it doesn't mean that it's 00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:46.269 not fixable and it doesn't mean that there's 00:31:46.269 --> 00:31:49.150 not progress either but you have to take like 00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:53.339 the little grains of sand that you you gathered 00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:57.000 and you have to make it into a little sand castle 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.900 and be like look at this is all the progress 00:31:58.900 --> 00:32:02.619 we made because it's still there no matter no 00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:06.079 matter what by the time the dog is pulling hard 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.359 they've they're already mentally gone too so 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.799 they're not even listening at this point nope 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.940 they're they've gone through their pattern they're 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:20.500 in their heads You are experiencing and seeing 00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:24.240 classical conditioning in action and there's 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.359 no choice about it. They're just rolling through 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.900 their pattern. Yeah, it's like the bull with 00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:37.579 the red flag. So early intervention is the key, 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.599 right? Early intervention matters. Reading the 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.400 dog's body language and interrupting that fixation 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:51.490 before things escalate. is the key to preventing 00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:56.549 reactivity. And that is where the famous Cesar 00:32:56.549 --> 00:33:03.509 Millan thing came from. It just is a redirect 00:33:03.509 --> 00:33:08.670 and a breaking the pattern concept. That's not 00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:12.250 something that we recommend or we sign off on. 00:33:12.289 --> 00:33:14.650 It's just what. Right, it could literally be 00:33:14.650 --> 00:33:16.069 any noise to be honest with you. Right, I just 00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:19.450 love using it as an example because almost everybody 00:33:19.450 --> 00:33:21.710 has at one point or another seen like an old 00:33:21.710 --> 00:33:24.549 dog whisperer episode on TLC or something. Yeah, 00:33:24.549 --> 00:33:29.269 all the time. All right, clear communication 00:33:29.269 --> 00:33:35.789 is also critical. If you can't communicate with 00:33:35.789 --> 00:33:37.710 your dog because you never taught them how to 00:33:37.710 --> 00:33:41.309 communicate in any other situation, now you're 00:33:41.309 --> 00:33:45.609 in a reactivity state. You're done. You don't 00:33:45.609 --> 00:33:48.029 have any hope. Pulling towards another dog and 00:33:48.029 --> 00:33:51.069 letting your dog get there is not a state that 00:33:51.069 --> 00:33:53.829 you want to even be in if you haven't taught 00:33:53.829 --> 00:33:58.529 your dog leash pressure or any sort of basic 00:33:58.529 --> 00:34:01.309 obedience. And I know people might disregard 00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:05.150 like a sit down, whatever. But those things matter 00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:08.889 when you're trying to learn and teach communication 00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:14.320 to your dog. Right. A well -timed no. followed 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:21.039 by fair leash guidance and then immediate praise 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:27.239 is the key to getting that disengagement at the 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.980 same time as building like the dog's trust and 00:34:30.980 --> 00:34:34.320 their understanding in you okay so real quick 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.980 before i go forward here is the second science 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:42.039 lesson for the day all right What I was going 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.159 to highlight, and I wanted to wait until the 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.619 solutions. Is this what I was reminding you of? 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.119 Yes, this is what you were going to remind me 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:55.400 of. The concept is turn every distraction and 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.940 interaction your dog has with something else 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:07.880 into a numbers game. So if hearing the doorbell 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:15.969 is a 20 out of 100, And hearing the pots and 00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:20.610 pans in the cabinet is a 5 out of 100. And then 00:35:20.610 --> 00:35:26.090 hearing the car door is a 40 or a 50 out of 100. 00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:32.250 Seeing a dog across the street is a 60 out of 00:35:32.250 --> 00:35:36.610 100. A squirrel running across the road is now 00:35:36.610 --> 00:35:44.300 an 80 or a 90 out of 100. This concept is important 00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:50.039 because it allows you to think through what the 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.840 dog is going through and then train to a standard. 00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:56.940 And where I'm going with this is it's impossible 00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:01.159 to line up squirrels at that 80 or 90 out of 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.880 100 and run them across the road so you can practice 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:08.130 interrupting reactivity. But what you can do 00:36:08.130 --> 00:36:14.409 is you can find other items that are the 20 and 00:36:14.409 --> 00:36:18.010 the 30, 40, 50 out of 100. And you slowly work 00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:24.010 up to the 80. And now you take those other items, 00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.110 those other things that are of the lower value, 00:36:27.269 --> 00:36:32.989 and you start asking for the dog to perform alternative. 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:41.389 or incompatible behaviors during those experiences. 00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:44.989 So what that looks like is the pots and pans 00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:48.130 rustling around triggers the dog. But it's maybe 00:36:48.130 --> 00:36:52.309 5, 10, 20 points out of 100. We start with that. 00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:58.789 We hear that. Dog gets all, ah, sit. Good. We 00:36:58.789 --> 00:37:02.110 reward that. And we continue that and we pattern 00:37:02.110 --> 00:37:05.250 that. Cool. Now we've got, we're up to a 20 out 00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:10.170 of 100. Now we start working on that sit or those 00:37:10.170 --> 00:37:12.449 other, those alternative or incompatible behaviors 00:37:12.449 --> 00:37:18.369 in proximity to a 40 out of 100. Then in proximity 00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:22.170 to a 50 out of 100. And then eventually we get 00:37:22.170 --> 00:37:24.230 up to the point where we can work on the squirrel. 00:37:25.150 --> 00:37:29.750 But we have to do those things. First, with the 00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:32.489 least amount of distraction, the least amount 00:37:32.489 --> 00:37:35.929 of anxiety built up, the least amount of frustration, 00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:39.190 and the most amount of communication. And then 00:37:39.190 --> 00:37:41.630 we work up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up until 00:37:41.630 --> 00:37:45.150 we get to the point where we can really attack 00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:48.530 that reactivity. But we have to focus on what 00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:52.630 do we ask the dog to do. You can't start with, 00:37:52.730 --> 00:37:56.269 don't react to that dog. Don't react to that 00:37:56.269 --> 00:37:59.210 dog. Hold on. I'm going to walk past this dog 00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:02.070 again. No, don't react to that dog. What are 00:38:02.070 --> 00:38:05.769 you asking the dog to do instead? And have you 00:38:05.769 --> 00:38:10.449 taught the dog to do that at 10, 20, 30, 40, 00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:15.809 50 before we got there? Yep. If you have, you 00:38:15.809 --> 00:38:18.349 probably won't have that problem anymore. Okay. 00:38:21.690 --> 00:38:24.369 Body language. Last one I want to talk about 00:38:24.369 --> 00:38:29.710 before. What specific body language would you 00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:33.469 educate owners that they need to look for in 00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:40.769 a dog that is fixating and or on its way to blowing 00:38:40.769 --> 00:38:45.250 up and reacting? Tail positioning for sure. Super 00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:50.349 high tail. And I know people look at wagging 00:38:50.349 --> 00:38:52.090 as a good thing, but a lot of times when they 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:55.429 are... At that point, they are like flicking 00:38:55.429 --> 00:39:00.610 their tail back and forth more than likely. Hackles, 00:39:00.610 --> 00:39:04.590 obviously, either up on the like butt. I call 00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:07.190 it like their butt tufts, like right above their 00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:10.250 tail get raised or their mohawk, which is like 00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:15.210 up on their like neck area. So there's two different 00:39:15.210 --> 00:39:19.920 types. Either of those are like. Forward posturing, 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.599 so like pulling forward is like another reason 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.679 that dogs do that is because they're like posturing 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.639 forward. Their ears kind of go up and forward 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:34.760 as well. Forehead wrinkles of any kind. Yeah, 00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:37.079 those are all the ones I can think of at the 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.780 top of my head. And then what timing are we looking 00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:43.400 at for actually correcting and redirecting this 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.500 dog? Obviously, it's before. The explosion. Yeah. 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.739 I get like to the count of three with some like 00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:52.099 strong eye contact of my dog, like targeting 00:39:52.099 --> 00:39:56.139 on another dog before I'm like, basically I'm 00:39:56.139 --> 00:39:58.460 recalling them back to me or getting their attention 00:39:58.460 --> 00:40:01.119 back on me to kind of test where they're at. 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.739 It's a fine balance. Yeah. Between if you correct 00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:07.860 or if you redirect your dog before they even 00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:11.059 fixate. Yeah. Then you're not really deconditioning 00:40:11.059 --> 00:40:15.280 or desensitizing that to anything. Yeah. But 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.340 if you wait too long. Right. And they're into 00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:24.099 the reaction, their past fixation. And now you're 00:40:24.099 --> 00:40:28.099 you're correcting an animal that's like only 00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.519 using half of their senses. Right. So I'll give 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.059 them to like a one, two, three. And by then I'll 00:40:35.059 --> 00:40:37.420 try the dog's name just to see if they can like 00:40:37.420 --> 00:40:39.539 if I see their ears move to where they can like 00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:43.880 hear me or anything. If there's any acknowledgement. 00:40:44.510 --> 00:40:46.349 And if I get no acknowledgement at that point, 00:40:46.409 --> 00:40:48.389 that tells me already that the dog is, like, 00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:50.949 too far over. And I need to go ahead and, like, 00:40:50.989 --> 00:40:54.329 ask for a redirection. Because at that point, 00:40:54.349 --> 00:40:57.630 if your dog's so disengaged from you that they 00:40:57.630 --> 00:41:00.230 can't, like, even, like, give you an ear flick 00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:03.030 for their name, then they're, like, past the 00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:06.820 red line. Would you recommend food? Or a toy? 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:09.980 I'm definitely not going to use a toy. A toy 00:41:09.980 --> 00:41:11.980 is going to give you way too much drive in that 00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:14.340 situation. You can use some food, but I wouldn't 00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:19.179 go too far past the point of high value. I mean, 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.039 you can use some high value. It depends on the 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.340 dog and the level of drive that they have. Everything's 00:41:24.340 --> 00:41:26.119 always going to depend on the dog. If it's a 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.699 high drive dog and they're super driven for food, 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.800 then I probably wouldn't at that point. So with 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:38.039 food, I say that there's always, there's two 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.599 major trains of thought with this. One, food 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:46.179 is a stimulant. And so it can ramp a dog's arousal 00:41:46.179 --> 00:41:50.659 level up. If the dog's already pegged out, that 00:41:50.659 --> 00:41:53.940 could be a problem. But on which scale is the 00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:57.269 dog pegged out? Because the other side is that 00:41:57.269 --> 00:41:59.889 we can use food very successfully for a scared 00:41:59.889 --> 00:42:03.489 or anxious dog. Right. To measure whether they're 00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:06.909 at or above or below threshold is what we call 00:42:06.909 --> 00:42:10.489 it. Threshold just being the level at which they 00:42:10.489 --> 00:42:14.789 are now like tuned out and their parasympathetic 00:42:14.789 --> 00:42:17.929 nervous system is shut down. And they're now 00:42:17.929 --> 00:42:20.820 in their sympathetic. pathways yeah which is 00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:23.760 where their food drive dies off and so we offer 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.800 the dog food in certain situations like that 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.619 and if they're not taking food you know they're 00:42:29.619 --> 00:42:32.360 way overstimulated they're overstimulated they're 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.429 over threshold Yeah. And if they are food driven, 00:42:34.570 --> 00:42:36.690 you can always like use it. And if you're in 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:38.369 like a heightened state like that, where there 00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:40.849 is a dog present and you're trying to like redirect, 00:42:40.989 --> 00:42:43.909 then you can cut out food for that time until 00:42:43.909 --> 00:42:45.869 the dog comes back down and then you can start 00:42:45.869 --> 00:42:49.190 rewarding again. But it always is going to depend 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:51.750 on where your dog is, is really at in their drive. 00:42:52.050 --> 00:42:54.969 Because we always look at, and I always tell 00:42:54.969 --> 00:42:57.070 owners, there's three drives, right? There's 00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:01.440 pray, pack, and play. And in an environment like 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.739 that, when you're out in public, you should always 00:43:03.739 --> 00:43:07.820 be in pack drive with your dog. Because you don't 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:10.579 want to be in prey drive for sure. Worst drive 00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:12.679 you could be in in public. And you don't want 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.139 to really be in play drive because you're going 00:43:14.139 --> 00:43:17.239 to amp the dog up and it's not a place or a time 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.619 for any of that. And so when your dog is going 00:43:20.619 --> 00:43:24.199 at another dog and pulling to another dog, that 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:27.059 tells you that they're either in prey drive or 00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:29.960 play drive. But if they're at the end of a leash 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.579 pulling to something else, they're for sure not 00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:35.679 in pack drive with you because they wouldn't 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.159 be pulling on you. They'd be with you being like, 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.400 hey, where are we going? What are we doing? Yeah. 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.699 All right. Anything else to add? No, I think 00:43:46.699 --> 00:43:48.820 I've rambled enough there. All right. We're going 00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:54.400 to knock out listener projects here for project 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.469 number one, the neutral walk drill. So take your 00:43:58.469 --> 00:44:01.170 dog on a structured walk. Structured being we're 00:44:01.170 --> 00:44:05.050 going somewhere. Not I'm walking and looking 00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:09.849 around at the trees. Structured walk, right? 00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:14.610 We're walking with a point to it. In a low to 00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:19.550 moderate distraction area, your goal is neutrality. 00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:23.230 No greetings, no interaction, no deviations. 00:44:23.230 --> 00:44:27.230 We're just going. If your dog begins to fixate, 00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:31.260 Change the direction, change them up early, redirect, 00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:37.340 but do not wait for the pull. Mark the correct 00:44:37.340 --> 00:44:42.639 position and good engagement. And you can just 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.659 use good or yes or whatever it is that your marker 00:44:46.659 --> 00:44:51.860 words are. But keep it calm, not exciting. Then 00:44:51.860 --> 00:44:55.780 track how often your dog checks in with you versus 00:44:55.780 --> 00:45:02.500 scanning frequently. The environment. I guess 00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:05.280 I'll come back to this in just a second. Project 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.179 number two, the early interruption test. During 00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:12.059 your next walk, focus only on reading your dog. 00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:15.559 And the moment you see those ears come forward, 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.159 the body kind of stiffen up, or the pace increase 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.400 towards a trigger, give the dog a calm but firm 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.280 no. If needed, you can apply light leash pressure 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.539 and then immediately release the pressure when 00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:37.880 the dog complies. This harnesses the concept 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:47.059 of negative reinforcement. The second your dog 00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:50.699 disengages, mark with good and then continue 00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:54.539 moving. All right. Where I was going with this 00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:57.679 is that last piece of project number one, track 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.239 how often your dog checks in with you versus 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.039 scanning the environment. We are building the 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.559 Pawprint Academy app. It is going to be released 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.900 in May, ideally the first week in May. It is 00:46:13.900 --> 00:46:19.119 coming out soon. It is going to be extremely 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:24.809 useful for... tracking purposes this is an app 00:46:24.809 --> 00:46:30.369 that is built around the science it is just scientific 00:46:30.369 --> 00:46:33.210 principle after scientific principle put together 00:46:33.210 --> 00:46:37.869 in a way that makes your life easier training 00:46:37.869 --> 00:46:40.949 your dog the concept is that the app is built 00:46:40.949 --> 00:46:45.170 around a journal and quick log system that allows 00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:49.150 you to keep track of what you're doing whether 00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:52.119 it's working whether things are getting better 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.519 or worse, and it gives you insights and statistics 00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.659 that's all AI -driven that happens in real time 00:47:00.659 --> 00:47:03.960 immediately after you put in a journal entry. 00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:09.119 So every journal entry that you put in, AI that 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.059 has been trained in the top dog training methods 00:47:13.059 --> 00:47:16.360 and the things that we use as we work with clients 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.400 every day, all of that has been... built in to 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:26.420 a AI model. That model sweeps your training logs, 00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:29.199 your journals, your homework, your things that 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.380 you're doing with your dog. There are courses 00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:35.320 built in. All of that gets correlated and analyzed 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.019 and you get daily updates on what you should 00:47:39.019 --> 00:47:41.460 be doing with your dog, how things are going, 00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:44.860 what you should do next, what's the 80 -20, the 00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:50.340 20 % thing that you can do to get 80 % of the 00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:54.449 results. It's all efficiency -based. And the 00:47:54.449 --> 00:47:58.269 concept is that this makes your training smarter. 00:47:58.690 --> 00:48:01.590 It's got training tools built in. It's got sound 00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:05.789 desensitization built in. It's all science -backed. 00:48:05.789 --> 00:48:09.409 And the concept is that it's all about tracking. 00:48:09.809 --> 00:48:14.829 If you are on a walk and you're tracking how 00:48:14.829 --> 00:48:17.170 often your dog checks in with you and you're 00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:19.409 walking, most people live in a neighborhood or 00:48:19.409 --> 00:48:22.659 something. Well, how many times was it? Well, 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:26.139 we've got trackers and timers that you can literally 00:48:26.139 --> 00:48:29.579 just hold in your hand and tap every time that 00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:32.599 your dog checks in with you on a walk. And at 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.820 the end of the walk, cool. Was it 10? Was it 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:38.440 20? Was it 50? How do you know if it's getting 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.380 better or not? Yeah. This is the concept that 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:44.639 I think is going to help people out. And it's 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:50.159 all based on dog behavior science. Super excited 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.880 to release that. If you're listening and you 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.659 are one of our private clients before, we are 00:48:55.659 --> 00:48:58.900 releasing that right now. I've got clients in 00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:01.920 it and they're working through some private client 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.280 sections and things like that. So if you have 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.000 gone through one of our programs at Top Dog Training, 00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:11.719 then please reach out to me and let me know. 00:49:11.780 --> 00:49:15.099 I can walk you through how you can download that 00:49:15.099 --> 00:49:19.739 and start using it too. Work through a smarter 00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:24.579 dog training. All right. With that, let me look 00:49:24.579 --> 00:49:27.440 over my notes real quick. I don't have anything 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.519 else. Do you have anything else? No, that was 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.199 it. That is it. All right. Well then we will 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.159 close it out with a thank you for tuning in. 00:49:36.219 --> 00:49:40.119 If you are listening to this on, uh, after the 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:45.559 fact, please whatever, um, whatever platform 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.639 you're listening to it. on give us a rating give 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:51.400 us uh give us some feedback send me an email 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:56.460 at ryan at top dog training nc .com let me know 00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:58.760 how we're doing let me know if you've got some 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.320 suggestions or let me know if you want to be 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.679 one of the first testers for the app thanks have 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:05.840 a good night good night