WEBVTT 00:00:33.450 --> 00:00:36.229 Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to 00:00:36.229 --> 00:00:39.130 raising better dogs. My name is Ryan, and I'll 00:00:39.130 --> 00:00:42.009 be your host for this journey. I've got my trusty 00:00:42.009 --> 00:00:44.670 co -host here, Brianna. Hello. And together, 00:00:44.670 --> 00:00:46.509 we're bringing you real -world training insights 00:00:46.509 --> 00:00:49.270 built on leadership, structure, and proven methods. 00:00:49.909 --> 00:00:52.509 We record this podcast with live clients on the 00:00:52.509 --> 00:00:55.789 line in one take with live, unscripted questions 00:00:55.789 --> 00:00:58.549 and answers. At the end of the day, this podcast 00:00:58.549 --> 00:01:00.590 is a lot more than just teaching your dog to 00:01:00.590 --> 00:01:04.950 sit or stay. creating calmness, and becoming 00:01:04.950 --> 00:01:07.909 the kind of leader your dog truly needs. We do 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:10.349 that with our three pillar method of trust, obey, 00:01:10.569 --> 00:01:13.810 and perform. Together, we'll show you how these 00:01:13.810 --> 00:01:17.329 three pillars shape every step of training. Thanks 00:01:17.329 --> 00:01:38.859 for being here. Let's get started. Episode 19, 00:01:39.219 --> 00:01:42.519 Jumping on People, Why Dogs Do It, and How to 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.200 Stop It. Today, before we even get into the episode, 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.140 I'm almost out of breath. I was plugging in wires 00:01:51.140 --> 00:01:53.680 and moving things around super fast while the 00:01:53.680 --> 00:02:10.680 intro was playing. Made it. wild with like record 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:16.300 snowfall which is nothing to most places that 00:02:16.300 --> 00:02:18.919 get snow right but i think uh i think we got 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:23.560 like nine or ten inches overall and uh well around 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.860 here that never happens yeah and uh All of our 00:02:27.860 --> 00:02:31.639 lessons have been moved. All of our clients are 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:35.520 running around. Work schedules and school schedules 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.699 are all canceled and reworked. And it has been 00:02:39.699 --> 00:02:44.599 a wild turn of events in the last week. So we've 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:49.120 got a couple of people that are able to dial 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:54.150 in tonight. And so to them. Just a reminder, 00:02:54.330 --> 00:02:58.270 you can use the meeting chat feature on the Zoom 00:02:58.270 --> 00:03:01.969 call, type in a question as we're going, or if 00:03:01.969 --> 00:03:06.129 you are dialed in on a phone just through the 00:03:06.129 --> 00:03:11.229 Zoom number, we'll open up the question and answer 00:03:11.229 --> 00:03:14.509 session at the end, and you can ask your question 00:03:14.509 --> 00:03:19.409 then. Quick recap of a couple of different things 00:03:19.409 --> 00:03:24.289 here before we get started. This week we start 00:03:24.289 --> 00:03:33.129 a new a new series on the podcast which is common 00:03:33.129 --> 00:03:37.310 behavior struggles. I said it right that time. 00:03:37.430 --> 00:03:42.169 Yeah. But common behavior issues that we find 00:03:42.169 --> 00:03:45.490 in the home and in clients houses people that 00:03:45.490 --> 00:03:48.800 call us and are like. Please help. I don't know 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.099 what to do about this. So today it's going to 00:03:52.099 --> 00:03:58.159 be talking about jumping as like the main topic, 00:03:58.259 --> 00:04:01.060 but we've kind of covered jumping before and 00:04:01.060 --> 00:04:03.379 we're going to branch out into, it's not just 00:04:03.379 --> 00:04:06.900 jumping, but it can be, it's pushy dogs, right? 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.680 Dogs that are pushy. They don't respect your 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.060 space. They don't respect other dog space. They 00:04:11.060 --> 00:04:16.420 crowd the door. They crowd the threshold. Just 00:04:16.420 --> 00:04:22.480 in general, how do we work with a dog that does 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:26.819 not respect your personal bubble? And what do 00:04:26.819 --> 00:04:31.639 we do about it? So we covered what was going 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:38.639 on. With this, I would absolutely love the... 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:47.100 I would absolutely love... comments on if, if 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:50.399 we should cover some, if you're having a specific 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:57.740 behavior issue that we either, I'm going to go 00:04:57.740 --> 00:04:59.079 over some of the different things that we've 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.540 got scheduled here. And if you've got something 00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:04.319 going on, that's not on the schedule, throw it 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.480 out there. Let us know, send us, send us a message, 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:12.620 send us an email. You can, you can reach me on 00:05:12.620 --> 00:05:20.699 via email at Ryan at TopDogTrainingNC .com. And 00:05:20.699 --> 00:05:27.060 I can build a episode about it because we want 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:29.079 to solve things that people are actually dealing 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.920 with. Here is a quick list of what is coming 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.819 up over the next five or six episodes. So one, 00:05:36.939 --> 00:05:39.860 barking. Barking for attention. Counter -surfing 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:43.000 and stealing food. Digging and destructive behavior. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.259 Over excitement at the door. Just general threshold 00:05:46.259 --> 00:05:50.199 management. Pulling towards dogs or people on 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:55.019 walks and begging at the table. So. Love those. 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.259 Those are the ones that are coming up. But if 00:05:57.259 --> 00:06:00.199 you're having a specific issue, reach out. Let 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:05.800 us know. Jen says she got 19 and a half inches 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.779 at their house. Jeez. You must have hit that. 00:06:10.110 --> 00:06:15.089 That flurry and had the wind going against you 00:06:15.089 --> 00:06:17.970 there. Oh, my goodness. Said that Chenoa sank 00:06:17.970 --> 00:06:21.189 in the snow. I bet. Checkers was struggling. 00:06:21.910 --> 00:06:24.069 Checkers, we put out a couple of videos, but 00:06:24.069 --> 00:06:26.769 Checkers was like a little snow plow out there. 00:06:26.930 --> 00:06:31.029 Yeah. All right, cool. So let's get started jumping 00:06:31.029 --> 00:06:34.610 on people, turning chaos into calm greetings. 00:06:35.250 --> 00:06:38.410 But why dogs do it and how to stop it, right? 00:06:38.750 --> 00:06:46.970 The jumping in general, it's usually not a dominance 00:06:46.970 --> 00:06:51.689 issue, right? It's not usually, it can be, but 00:06:51.689 --> 00:06:54.170 it usually isn't that the dog's just like jumping 00:06:54.170 --> 00:06:57.149 on people and just being like, ha, get out of 00:06:57.149 --> 00:06:59.470 my space. They're not advocating for their space. 00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:04.029 Almost always they're, they're taking your space. 00:07:04.189 --> 00:07:10.850 Yeah. Right. It's not really a sign of affection 00:07:10.850 --> 00:07:17.410 either. It can start that way where the dog initially 00:07:17.410 --> 00:07:19.569 learn. They're just trying to get close to you. 00:07:19.589 --> 00:07:23.990 Right. But a lot of times it turns into something 00:07:23.990 --> 00:07:26.889 different. And and that's what we want to talk 00:07:26.889 --> 00:07:31.449 about tonight. I was just in a home recently 00:07:31.449 --> 00:07:36.029 where a dog was in this pattern of like barking 00:07:36.029 --> 00:07:40.730 and then running away. just as an example, right? 00:07:40.810 --> 00:07:44.389 It became so ingrained in the dog that the dog's 00:07:44.389 --> 00:07:47.350 not even like paying attention to it anymore. 00:07:47.470 --> 00:07:50.810 They're just doing it. And people would be like, 00:07:50.889 --> 00:07:52.569 oh, well, you need to counter condition this 00:07:52.569 --> 00:07:54.110 and you need to desensitize that and you need 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:55.410 to do this and you need to do that. You know 00:07:55.410 --> 00:07:57.850 what I did that would solve the issue immediately? 00:07:58.149 --> 00:08:01.550 I just put a leash on the dog. And that dog stopped 00:08:01.550 --> 00:08:05.480 barking. Yeah. Because they couldn't run away. 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.800 So they couldn't go into that pattern. It's like 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.259 taking a record that they play over and over 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:13.279 and over and over old records and you just scratch 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.420 it up. Yeah. And then that thing will never play 00:08:16.420 --> 00:08:18.980 the same way again. Right. But when you put it 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:22.060 on the record player, press play, it is going 00:08:22.060 --> 00:08:26.220 to sound totally different. Right. So just as 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:29.120 an example, this jumping often becomes the same 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.799 thing. It starts as one thing. And it quickly 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.799 morphs into this pattern that is more just because 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:41.539 of over arousal and a dog just not really knowing 00:08:41.539 --> 00:08:44.960 what to do instead, right? Being in the behavioral 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:50.960 vacuum that we're going to talk about. So where 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:56.679 did I leave off here? So jumping is often a reinforced 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:02.960 behavior driven by excitement, habit, Mostly 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:07.019 habit. Yep. Right. And just unclear expectations. 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.980 So what do we do about it? So dogs jump oftentimes 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:18.919 because it works. Yeah. Right. They start because 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.860 they want to get close to you. They continue 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:27.019 because it worked. Yep. And then after a certain 00:09:27.019 --> 00:09:29.980 while, they just keep doing it because, well, 00:09:30.019 --> 00:09:32.529 this is how I greet people. Well, this is normal. 00:09:33.289 --> 00:09:35.509 It's not even so much about affection anymore. 00:09:35.590 --> 00:09:37.129 It's just that, yeah, when people come over, 00:09:37.210 --> 00:09:40.690 I hit a 10 out of 10, and then this is what we 00:09:40.690 --> 00:09:43.450 do. Yeah. They don't know any better. Right. 00:09:43.870 --> 00:09:48.029 So stopping the jumping requires changing the 00:09:48.029 --> 00:09:51.269 reinforcement patterns, not just yelling and 00:09:51.269 --> 00:09:53.450 pushing and kneeing the dog away, but actually 00:09:53.450 --> 00:09:57.850 changing what we reinforce and being mindful 00:09:57.850 --> 00:10:02.500 of what we're doing with it. Yeah. So let's talk 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:04.679 about that a little bit. Why dogs jump on people. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:12.379 So let me put it this way. So jumping overall 00:10:12.379 --> 00:10:17.779 is almost always learned. Very, very few dogs 00:10:17.779 --> 00:10:24.539 just are wired to jump like on people. It's not 00:10:24.539 --> 00:10:30.860 really a normal genetic behavior. Always learned. 00:10:32.549 --> 00:10:35.690 almost always right but i mean it's just natural 00:10:35.690 --> 00:10:39.870 for a dog also like when they even when they're 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.409 like little puppies right they they end up trying 00:10:43.409 --> 00:10:48.309 to climb up you Just to get closer. And typically 00:10:48.309 --> 00:10:50.649 it's because like right when you go to feed a 00:10:50.649 --> 00:10:53.309 puppy or do whatever, you have something in your 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:56.269 hands that's higher up than where they are. And 00:10:56.269 --> 00:10:58.909 so naturally they're going to try to get to whatever 00:10:58.909 --> 00:11:01.950 it is that you have. Right. And you never have 00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:05.450 anything down at a puppy's level that they really 00:11:05.450 --> 00:11:07.909 like want or care about unless you get down there 00:11:07.909 --> 00:11:10.509 with them. Right. But 90 % of the time you're 00:11:10.509 --> 00:11:12.970 standing up and everything you have is typically 00:11:12.970 --> 00:11:20.250 in your hands. exactly and so that i'm trying 00:11:20.250 --> 00:11:23.330 to like keep this in order so that's the reason 00:11:23.330 --> 00:11:28.370 they jump up first yeah the first time right 00:11:28.370 --> 00:11:30.870 because they're trying to get closer to you or 00:11:30.870 --> 00:11:32.710 they're trying to get something that you have 00:11:32.710 --> 00:11:36.129 or they're just really short and and they're 00:11:36.129 --> 00:11:38.870 like that's that's how they can like feel closer 00:11:38.870 --> 00:11:45.169 to you right right but then we inadvertently 00:11:45.169 --> 00:11:52.230 or or on purpose reinforce it. So almost always 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:59.870 I when I do evals I hear well the when we first 00:11:59.870 --> 00:12:04.129 got him then when he jumped up it was kind of 00:12:04.129 --> 00:12:07.549 cute and like I used to give him hugs or I used 00:12:07.549 --> 00:12:10.409 to do this or I used to do that because you're 00:12:10.409 --> 00:12:12.870 talking about like this little 10 15 pound puppy. 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:16.700 Now the dog's 80 pounds and you're like, this 00:12:16.700 --> 00:12:21.720 has got to stop. Right. Well, we created that. 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:28.519 We created that. So I'm going to really try to 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:38.120 not go down a rabbit hole here. Hold on just 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:47.730 a moment. Okay, so even negative attention. So 00:12:47.730 --> 00:12:51.669 we go down this without going down too many zigzags 00:12:51.669 --> 00:12:58.690 here. When you decide, initially we decided that 00:12:58.690 --> 00:13:03.750 it was acceptable. Or even if you didn't encourage 00:13:03.750 --> 00:13:08.330 it, you engaged it. Right, because negative attention 00:13:08.330 --> 00:13:11.269 is still attention. That's still attention, right? 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.120 that still reinforces it. Right. You still put 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.700 your hands down. You still touch the dog. You 00:13:16.700 --> 00:13:19.340 still talk to the dog. All of the things that 00:13:19.340 --> 00:13:22.299 the dog knows, whether it's bad or good. Exactly. 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:31.279 And so without so much rewarding the dog, when 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:36.440 you so much as look down at the dog and the dog 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.639 gets that eye contact from you, that's called 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:46.350 engagement. And that is rewarding to a dog. Now 00:13:46.350 --> 00:13:51.190 let's go down another path here and say that 00:13:51.190 --> 00:13:55.549 you don't reward it, you scold the dog. Well, 00:13:55.570 --> 00:14:01.529 there's a lot of times that that is also attention 00:14:01.529 --> 00:14:07.409 for the dog. When they weren't getting attention 00:14:07.409 --> 00:14:11.230 before, And they really want that engagement. 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:15.549 And then they do something and suddenly you're 00:14:15.549 --> 00:14:19.190 like, no, what are you doing? And you put your 00:14:19.190 --> 00:14:21.470 hands down on them. You push them off of you. 00:14:21.769 --> 00:14:29.210 You might look at that as, hey, I gave him negative 00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:32.950 feedback, so he shouldn't do that so much. That 00:14:32.950 --> 00:14:36.669 is not always what the dog perceives. And more 00:14:36.669 --> 00:14:39.659 often than not, that. is something that the dog 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:44.740 looks at as, oh, yeah, that got his attention, 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:49.940 or, oh, that started this game, or that started 00:14:49.940 --> 00:14:54.840 this, yeah, exactly. And that's the accidentally 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:00.460 rewarded part that we're talking about. Puppies 00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:04.929 are often encouraged to jump. I already talked 00:15:04.929 --> 00:15:07.409 about that. Sorry, I went out of order. So puppies 00:15:07.409 --> 00:15:09.269 are often encouraged to jump when they're small 00:15:09.269 --> 00:15:11.710 and that creates a problem as the dog grows. 00:15:11.929 --> 00:15:19.509 So high arousal during greetings also overwhelms 00:15:19.509 --> 00:15:23.330 the dog in that impulse control scale. And then 00:15:23.330 --> 00:15:27.450 when structure is missing, that can increase 00:15:27.450 --> 00:15:30.649 this problem too. The structure that we're talking 00:15:30.649 --> 00:15:35.559 about is this behavioral vacuum. If the dog doesn't 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:40.600 have something to do, they're going to fill the 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:45.620 void, the vacuum with something. Yep. And a lot 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:51.279 of times it's not what you want. So even though 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:54.500 we're talking about jumping in this case, it 00:15:54.500 --> 00:15:57.820 could be applied to any of the other behaviors. 00:15:58.059 --> 00:16:03.679 Yeah. When a dog finds. what gets your attention 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:09.740 and gets you to zero in on them, they're more 00:16:09.740 --> 00:16:14.120 than likely going to repeat that behavior. So 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:21.059 we can find ways to avoid that by pre or being 00:16:21.059 --> 00:16:25.240 proactive before it starts. And that's what we'll 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.419 talk about on our like second major point here. 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.409 And I try to stay in order here cause I, I have 00:16:32.409 --> 00:16:35.129 a tendency to jump forward talking about the 00:16:35.129 --> 00:16:39.009 next thing when I wrote these notes out in sequential 00:16:39.009 --> 00:16:44.370 order. The next thing, inconsistent rules can 00:16:44.370 --> 00:16:47.929 confuse the dog when some people in the household 00:16:47.929 --> 00:16:51.690 allow something and others don't. Right. The 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:53.730 big one with that one is if you have kids in 00:16:53.730 --> 00:16:57.350 the household or a lot of the times, I'm just 00:16:57.350 --> 00:16:59.440 going to say it. When the husband comes home, 00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:01.740 a lot of the times it's the husband that is okay 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:05.759 with the dog jumping and the wife is not, typically 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.480 because women are smaller, right? And so it's 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.140 just a little bit more inconvenient for us. But 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:16.240 that is a lot of the times those big things where 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.660 they are kind of teaching it as play, right? 00:17:20.779 --> 00:17:24.140 And so the dog then thinks that it's okay all 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:27.089 the time because they don't know. When it is 00:17:27.089 --> 00:17:30.789 and when it isn't. And I think kids are a much 00:17:30.789 --> 00:17:34.690 bigger issue because. Yeah. Kids are shorter. 00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:37.329 Right. And then when they have something of value 00:17:37.329 --> 00:17:40.089 and it's usually food. Yeah. Right. Because they're 00:17:40.089 --> 00:17:41.750 walking around and they're having their snack 00:17:41.750 --> 00:17:45.670 or whatever. And they pull that food in towards 00:17:45.670 --> 00:17:49.690 them and the dog doesn't let up and is like pushing 00:17:49.690 --> 00:17:52.029 their face into there being super pushy to get 00:17:52.029 --> 00:17:54.289 that food. And what do kids like naturally do? 00:17:54.369 --> 00:17:57.259 They raise it up. Like they're going to just 00:17:57.259 --> 00:17:58.859 naturally, like they're going to keep it away 00:17:58.859 --> 00:18:01.519 from the dog. And that immediately turns the 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.700 dog into this jumper. It's like, oh, okay, cool. 00:18:04.779 --> 00:18:09.279 The game is I got to go higher. And then we get 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.740 that reinforcement event. Yeah. That's not everyone's 00:18:12.740 --> 00:18:17.099 problem. But oftentimes we see dogs that jump 00:18:17.099 --> 00:18:22.359 in households with kids. And that's oftentimes 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.599 when you boil it all down. where some of that 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.319 reinforcement comes because kids also they usually 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.339 have that higher pitch voice and they're also 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:35.759 a lot more animated and so they move quick and 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.019 those hands are going all over the place and 00:18:38.019 --> 00:18:40.180 those little fingers are all over and it's just 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:47.220 very very fun and engaging for the dog yep physical 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:51.140 corrections last one last point here so physical 00:18:51.140 --> 00:18:55.490 corrections Often accidentally increase the excitement 00:18:55.490 --> 00:19:01.769 level rather than reducing it. And so we go after 00:19:01.769 --> 00:19:04.930 this dog with a collar correction or you try 00:19:04.930 --> 00:19:06.849 to slip your finger in the collar and go no. 00:19:07.769 --> 00:19:13.509 And a dog that is really like aroused or their 00:19:13.509 --> 00:19:15.910 arousal level goes up when you put your hands 00:19:15.910 --> 00:19:18.170 on them. They're going to find excitement in 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:25.339 that. Rather than. So watch out for that. I know 00:19:25.339 --> 00:19:28.779 we're framing a lot of these issues. We'll give 00:19:28.779 --> 00:19:34.440 you some ideas here coming pretty quick. What 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:40.500 do you think most owners misunderstand in this 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:46.559 conversation before we move forward? I think 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.470 that most owners misunderstand what they're doing 00:19:51.470 --> 00:19:55.750 that is encouraging the process. Right. Yeah. 00:19:58.089 --> 00:20:06.990 There is, I don't want to go down that road. 00:20:09.890 --> 00:20:13.049 Like, Oh, nevermind. I'd say that was probably, 00:20:13.089 --> 00:20:15.529 I think I had like a different phrasing in my 00:20:15.529 --> 00:20:18.660 head for it, but mine was like, Yeah, what they're 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:21.859 doing to reinforce the behavior. Because a lot 00:20:21.859 --> 00:20:25.119 of the times it's things like bending over and 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:29.980 like getting closer to the dog. We will naturally 00:20:29.980 --> 00:20:32.039 do that if a dog goes to jump up, but then the 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.730 dog's like headbutting you for one. It learns 00:20:36.730 --> 00:20:39.769 to more of jump in your face rather than just 00:20:39.769 --> 00:20:42.609 not jump at all. So, yeah, I think that's the 00:20:42.609 --> 00:20:45.049 big thing for me is like the language and the 00:20:45.049 --> 00:20:48.430 behavior we're giving the dog to reinforce the 00:20:48.430 --> 00:20:51.589 jumping rather than discourage it. I'm really 00:20:51.589 --> 00:20:55.269 big on like just go like dead silent. Yeah. So 00:20:55.269 --> 00:20:58.829 where I was when I was struggling with the wording 00:20:58.829 --> 00:21:03.250 here was that I think there's a I think that 00:21:03.250 --> 00:21:08.109 behavior. morphs kind of in like phases and that's 00:21:08.109 --> 00:21:10.730 what's most confusing to people because they're 00:21:10.730 --> 00:21:15.910 like well that's not how it started right i understand 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:20.289 that's not how it started but you have to understand 00:21:20.289 --> 00:21:24.029 that your dog is a living being and it is constantly 00:21:24.029 --> 00:21:28.549 learning yeah so it's not going to be the same 00:21:28.549 --> 00:21:32.380 now that it was right Because they're going to 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:35.299 change and they're going to learn and they're 00:21:35.299 --> 00:21:38.339 going to get better or worse or whatever, but 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:42.359 their behavior is going to morph. Yep. And that's 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.559 the hardest thing I think for people to understand 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.200 in this process because they're like, well, that's, 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.380 that's not like, why am I correcting that? That's 00:21:54.380 --> 00:21:56.740 not the reason he started jumping. Right. But 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:58.859 he started jumping probably for a different reason 00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:02.859 than he's. to jump now. Right. Yep. And that 00:22:02.859 --> 00:22:06.480 subject can be applied to any bad behavior around 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.779 the house. Because what they're doing now probably 00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.319 morphed from what they originally were doing. 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:18.960 Yeah. There you go. How does inconsistent reinforcement 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:25.859 keep the jumping alive? It shows them that sometimes 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.579 I think for one, it shows the dog that sometimes 00:22:30.579 --> 00:22:35.200 it's okay, right? But two, it shows them that, 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:39.779 I guess it's kind of the same thing in a way, 00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:45.279 but that there's no, it's not black or white, 00:22:45.380 --> 00:22:48.160 right? There's like some gray area. And a dog 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.859 is very like black and white. It's like yes or 00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:55.000 no. Yeah. It's not like sometimes yes, sometimes 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.460 no. Maybe if you're in this room, but not in 00:22:57.460 --> 00:22:59.599 that room. Maybe with this person, but not that 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.240 person. A dog is like, can I jump? Yes or no. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.079 So last week I went down this rabbit hole on 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.140 the science thing about the fastest way to reward 00:23:12.140 --> 00:23:15.220 or the most efficient way to reward your dog 00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:20.180 and build the most motivation. And I identified 00:23:20.180 --> 00:23:26.599 that as. The variable ratio approach where this 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:32.640 is the same concept as a casino and how the slot 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:37.039 machines and how the slot machines get you addicted 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:43.460 to continuing to play. The reason it gets you 00:23:43.460 --> 00:23:47.619 addicted is because it's just enough of a reinforcement 00:23:47.619 --> 00:23:52.849 ratio. To keep you guessing and want it even 00:23:52.849 --> 00:23:56.069 more. That's what happens with an inconsistent 00:23:56.069 --> 00:24:07.329 reinforcement situation. If you are reinforcing 00:24:07.329 --> 00:24:10.230 it sometimes and you're punishing it others, 00:24:10.529 --> 00:24:16.730 you will make the dog drive harder because you're 00:24:16.730 --> 00:24:20.279 inconsistent. Because that is the same thing 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.180 just flipped on its end as variable ratio rewarding. 00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:31.900 Yep. All right. What not to do when addressing 00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:36.819 jumping. Man, I wrote this with a lot of negatives 00:24:36.819 --> 00:24:41.619 in it. Let's work through it. So many common 00:24:41.619 --> 00:24:44.940 responses actually strengthen the behavior that 00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:49.009 we're trying to get to stop. We can talk to them. 00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:52.369 We can yell. We can touch them. We can use eye 00:24:52.369 --> 00:24:56.630 contact. But all of those things reward the dog. 00:24:59.329 --> 00:25:02.750 Even pushing the dog off can oftentimes turn 00:25:02.750 --> 00:25:05.269 this whole thing into a game. Yep, because then 00:25:05.269 --> 00:25:08.190 you're in a wrestling match. Yep. So the number 00:25:08.190 --> 00:25:13.329 one, pretty much across all the books, is ignore 00:25:13.329 --> 00:25:19.069 the behavior. In the moment. Ignore the behavior 00:25:19.069 --> 00:25:23.289 completely. Completely check out. You cannot 00:25:23.289 --> 00:25:26.529 reinforce that by any means. And we've talked 00:25:26.529 --> 00:25:28.069 about a whole bunch of ways that we accidentally 00:25:28.069 --> 00:25:33.970 reinforce it. The next level to this is we prevent 00:25:33.970 --> 00:25:41.109 it before it starts. And that we'll cover in 00:25:41.109 --> 00:25:48.799 a minute. Along the same lines of things that 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.579 aren't going to work is waiting for the dog to 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:53.819 just grow out of it. Yeah, they're not. It's 00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:57.619 not going to work. Dogs usually grow into things, 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:00.799 not out of them. Yeah, that's one of my favorite 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:05.160 lines. So punishing a dog without teaching them 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.640 an alternative is going to lead to that same 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.519 behavioral vacuum that we've talked about. You 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.460 are punishing the fact that they're doing something 00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:17.400 you don't want them to do, but you've given them 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:22.259 nothing else to do. Yep. And it's not, I don't 00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:26.220 want you to jump. It's actually, I want you to 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:29.960 sit or I want you to down or I want you to go 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.700 to your place. So correcting. And the last thing 00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:37.859 on this is correcting only after the jumping 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:42.099 starts is reactive. And what we're talking about, 00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:45.460 what we're suggesting is we need to go preventative. 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:50.799 So now let's talk about that. How do we teach 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.680 that politeness when the dog is making greetings 00:26:54.680 --> 00:27:01.920 and when they're coming to see you? One, teach 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:11.619 the dog an incompatible behavior. And jump on 00:27:11.619 --> 00:27:15.339 you at the same time. Right. Your dog can't place 00:27:15.339 --> 00:27:18.700 and jump on you or jump on guests at the same 00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:23.299 time. So that's an example of something you want 00:27:23.299 --> 00:27:29.099 the dog to do instead. Yeah. What are some others? 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.619 I mean, sit down, place. What's some other things 00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:36.859 you've seen? walking them over to the guests 00:27:36.859 --> 00:27:39.759 and if they're if they jump up walking them away 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.319 from the guests so using a leash to kind of remove 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.900 them from what they want okay that's a little 00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:49.380 more reactive right well yeah i guess preventative 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:52.680 yeah is always like place for me pretty much 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:58.640 yeah um i i think even a heel inside yeah right 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.380 it's still a proximity to you and not to the 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:08.059 guest yeah So that can work. Manage the environment. 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.680 So what Brianna was talking about, manage the 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.859 environment with a leash. Leashes, doors, clear 00:28:15.859 --> 00:28:19.000 expectations. When we put a leash on a dog, now 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.640 we have accountability. When we use an e -collar 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.019 on a dog, now we have accountability. Those things 00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:31.119 are only as good as us and our use of them to 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:37.730 communicate to the dog. What to do What we're 00:28:37.730 --> 00:28:43.170 not advocating for here Even though it may be 00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:45.750 necessary at some point But it's really our last 00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:48.329 line of defense is we're not even advocating 00:28:48.329 --> 00:28:51.150 for correcting the dog. We're advocating for 00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:56.170 preventing The behavior. Yeah You're gonna be 00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:59.269 way more successful with that managing and preventing 00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:02.799 bad behavior is way more successful than correcting 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.140 a dog for it. Right. Because what I'll always 00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:07.279 encourage people to do is like early on when 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.519 your dog is a puppy, teach your puppy to go to 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.819 their place and they should be on place when 00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:14.039 guests come over and they should just hang out 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:16.579 on place while guests are there for the first 00:29:16.579 --> 00:29:20.740 like good while so that they learn that just 00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:22.640 because people come over doesn't mean that they 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.529 get to leave their place. And roam around and 00:29:25.529 --> 00:29:27.990 get all these pets and get ramped up and excited 00:29:27.990 --> 00:29:32.309 because that's just going to build a habit in 00:29:32.309 --> 00:29:35.069 the level of excitement every time someone rings 00:29:35.069 --> 00:29:37.009 that doorbell. And then you wonder why they rush 00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:39.490 the door, why they jump on people. It's because 00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:43.109 every time someone exciting comes over and pets 00:29:43.109 --> 00:29:45.250 them and gets excited with them and does all 00:29:45.250 --> 00:29:49.009 these things. But if your puppy. can learn to 00:29:49.009 --> 00:29:51.609 just be ignored in the first few months of its 00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:54.329 life it's going to change how the next few months 00:29:54.329 --> 00:29:57.329 go for you yeah or the next few years or years 00:29:57.329 --> 00:30:00.410 yeah yeah for sure so the way that we reduce 00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:04.269 reactivity with dogs is we teach we teach dogs 00:30:04.269 --> 00:30:09.009 that other dogs are just scenery we can see dogs 00:30:09.009 --> 00:30:12.740 we don't have to meet dogs well The same thing 00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:15.539 goes with people. You can teach them that guests 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:17.960 are just scenery. That doesn't mean just because 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.700 someone walked through the door doesn't mean 00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:22.460 that they get to go see them. Yeah, they do not 00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:24.859 have to get pet by strangers. At some point, 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.039 the thing that you have to hold yourself back 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:33.099 from is your own guilt, your own sadness that, 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.720 oh, well, I really want them to meet these people. 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.140 Okay, that's fine. But just know that you're 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.359 opening the door to some of these other behaviors 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.019 if you have reinforced them previously. Right. 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.380 You know what might be great for the people and 00:30:48.380 --> 00:30:50.519 your puppy is do it in the last like five minutes 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.579 before everybody leaves. Right. And then just 00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:54.420 make it like five minutes and then everybody's 00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:58.559 gone. Yeah. And then it builds up this excitement 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.500 and then the puppy gets to relax because everybody's 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.279 leaving. It's not this prolonged like time period 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.619 of the puppy just being amped up, amped up, amped 00:31:06.619 --> 00:31:10.000 up, amped up. And then also it prevents you from 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.539 clashing with your puppy or dog where you let 00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:16.000 them kind of free roam, right? Get all this like 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.200 excitement going. And then you take them out 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.380 of that and put them in a kennel, put them back 00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:24.359 on place, do something and remove them from the 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.339 fun. And then you're at odds with your dog because 00:31:27.339 --> 00:31:30.180 now they're upset that they're not able to like 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:32.559 still be a part of it. They got all of this huge 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.599 dopamine dump. Yeah. And then you took it away. 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.279 Right. Whereas like they won't feel the same 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.039 because the people leave. Right. So it's like, 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.059 cool. The last like five, 10 minutes, give your, 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.500 give your dog some time to like socialize with 00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:49.279 the guests and like then they can pet the dog. 00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:51.779 But that will give them the rest of the time 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:55.400 just to like watch the people go by. Or even 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.319 if they're in a separate room and they just have 00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.480 to listen to all the stuff that's like going 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.220 on, then it gives them time to process it and 00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:06.829 come down from the level of like, Where they're 00:32:06.829 --> 00:32:10.410 at when people come over. Yeah. And, and for 00:32:10.410 --> 00:32:13.849 when people tell me that, well, but it takes 00:32:13.849 --> 00:32:16.849 so much time and effort to get the dog to go 00:32:16.849 --> 00:32:18.750 back to their place and keep like reinforcing 00:32:18.750 --> 00:32:22.430 this. Well, I just want to point out that jumping 00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:26.390 in this case is also a learned activity and you 00:32:26.390 --> 00:32:29.240 taught him that. Yeah, it takes way longer to 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.160 reverse jump. It takes way longer to reverse, 00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:34.519 but you did it, right? So we've got to put in 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.740 the work. Right. There's no magic button. Just 00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:39.880 be really boring with it and be like, no, please. 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.759 And not only that, reward the behavior you want 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:48.539 the same way that you accidentally rewarded the 00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:51.940 behavior you didn't want. So we accidentally 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:55.869 rewarded the jumping. when we first initially 00:32:55.869 --> 00:32:58.150 taught it to the dog or the dog did it and we 00:32:58.150 --> 00:33:01.509 reinforced it by looking at them, engaging them, 00:33:01.630 --> 00:33:07.410 rewarding them with our contact, with our attention. 00:33:08.309 --> 00:33:10.849 Well, do the same thing, but reward them for 00:33:10.849 --> 00:33:14.630 calmness. So when they're on their place bed 00:33:14.630 --> 00:33:21.029 and they don't rush your guest for 10 whole seconds, 00:33:21.450 --> 00:33:26.599 tell them good job. And go over there and give 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.559 them pets or go over there and give them a treat 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.440 or go over there, reward them for that calmness. 00:33:33.579 --> 00:33:37.339 And then if they get ramped up, immediately remove 00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:43.200 that and show them, oh, that's not a successful 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:48.279 strategy. But reward the one that you do want. 00:33:48.670 --> 00:33:50.670 Right, and give them a bone to chew on or something 00:33:50.670 --> 00:33:52.329 while the guests are there, right? Yeah, make 00:33:52.329 --> 00:33:54.690 it a good activity. Yeah, that's what they get 00:33:54.690 --> 00:33:56.490 when guests come over. They get a bone on their 00:33:56.490 --> 00:33:59.009 place bed. Yeah. And then if they get up with 00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:01.849 it, just walk over, pick up the bone, put it 00:34:01.849 --> 00:34:04.569 back on their place bed. Because dogs will do 00:34:04.569 --> 00:34:09.750 whatever you consistently allow them or reinforce 00:34:09.750 --> 00:34:14.510 them to do. Yeah. They're pattern -based creatures. 00:34:16.070 --> 00:34:22.420 All right. Practice structured greetings so the 00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:26.059 dog gets to rehearse this in a successful environment. 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.960 And now you can do that by setting up these greetings, 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.539 but you can also do it like Brianna said, wait 00:34:32.539 --> 00:34:36.539 until the end and then talk through what you're 00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:40.090 going to do. The person comes over, you're dealing 00:34:40.090 --> 00:34:43.170 with the dog, you get the dog onto place or into 00:34:43.170 --> 00:34:46.210 a crate, and we just ignore, we check out, we 00:34:46.210 --> 00:34:50.030 give them a bone, whatever, through all of the 00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:52.730 strategies we just talked about. And at the end, 00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:54.969 then you talk through it with the guest. Hey, 00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:57.550 I'd really love for my dog to meet you. Can we 00:34:57.550 --> 00:35:00.429 do it like this? Yeah, because if you try to 00:35:00.429 --> 00:35:02.650 do like a calm greeting with your guest right 00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:04.230 after the doorbell rings and they come through 00:35:04.230 --> 00:35:06.690 that threshold, it's not going to go well ever 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:08.989 because your dog's going to be at like an 11 00:35:08.989 --> 00:35:13.329 out of 10 most of the time. And so you're not 00:35:13.329 --> 00:35:15.710 going to be able to have a successful calm greeting 00:35:15.710 --> 00:35:19.869 if the dog is not already calm. Right. But if 00:35:19.869 --> 00:35:23.929 they're down at a 4 or 5 and then you release 00:35:23.929 --> 00:35:26.429 them in order to meet the guest, they're going 00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:29.900 to jack up to a 7 or an 8. But they're still 00:35:29.900 --> 00:35:32.820 not going to be at a 10. And that will assist 00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:37.519 you dramatically in maintaining some level of 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.820 control in the home. Also, do guest greetings 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:42.579 like with your family members, right? The dog 00:35:42.579 --> 00:35:45.099 is going to be excited to like greet mom and 00:35:45.099 --> 00:35:48.159 dad like when they come home too. So start practicing 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.219 those, right? And you could have somebody go 00:35:51.219 --> 00:35:54.800 outside, count to, you know, 30 and come back 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.380 in. It can be. you know, a kid, an adult, anybody 00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.519 in the household and the dog can, you can still 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.139 get the dog amped up and excited to see you. 00:36:05.179 --> 00:36:08.619 Oh yeah. By using tones and body language and 00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:11.579 all these things and then have the person holding 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:14.380 the leash work through that. There should be 00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:17.699 unlimited amounts of like guest greetings that 00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:19.739 you can kind of do where the dog is not going 00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:23.579 to be excited to kind of see someone, you know? 00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:30.340 Yeah. The last one I've got here is that you 00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:32.159 need to have a conversation with your family 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.119 members, especially all the adults, but include 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:41.639 the kids too. And you need consistency. You've 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.239 got to be on the same page. You've got to talk 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.619 through it and be like, cool, this is the strategy. 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:52.860 These are the steps. You know what I have yet 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:58.480 to see in any dog household? that I go into when 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:03.139 I first get there to do an eval, no one has ever 00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:07.800 written out like a plan of this is how we do 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.420 these activities. This is how we go outside. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.099 This is how we go through the door. This is how 00:37:16.099 --> 00:37:22.449 we, um, this is the process, right? And if I 00:37:22.449 --> 00:37:25.750 ask one, like the husband, and then I asked the 00:37:25.750 --> 00:37:29.869 wife, almost always there's a little, there's 00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:35.250 small little tweaks in the process. Now what 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:38.369 I'm not, I'm not saying that, that everything 00:37:38.369 --> 00:37:43.710 about dog training has to ruin the excitement 00:37:43.710 --> 00:37:48.469 and the spontaneity of owning a dog. Yeah. I'm 00:37:48.469 --> 00:37:51.449 not saying that. But what I am saying is that 00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:54.550 the people that struggle the most with behavioral 00:37:54.550 --> 00:37:59.110 issues are usually the ones that are the least 00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:03.610 consistent across the board. Yep. Almost always. 00:38:04.289 --> 00:38:08.389 And not the least consistent in human terms like 00:38:08.389 --> 00:38:11.650 how we would grade each other. We're like, oh, 00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:13.670 well, that's understandable. You got to look 00:38:13.670 --> 00:38:15.929 through it. You got to look at it through your 00:38:15.929 --> 00:38:20.940 dog's eyes. Are you consistent? In your dog's 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.440 eyes. Yeah. Because that's what matters. It's 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.860 just like the motivation thing. It's like, but 00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:31.159 does your dog have motivation? Because I just 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:37.079 finished filming an episode for some coursework 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:44.099 that we're working on. And the concept of like, 00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:49.679 well, when do I get to stop using treats? Well, 00:38:49.699 --> 00:38:54.880 when do I get to stop treating my dog? You mean 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.219 when do you not have to motivate them? Right. 00:38:58.340 --> 00:39:01.800 You mean when do you not have to pay them? Yeah. 00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:05.119 Like what is that? What does that mean? Because 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.960 not giving your dog food treats forever. Cool. 00:39:09.019 --> 00:39:13.340 Got it. Yep. I'm on board. But you can only fade 00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:15.579 those out when you built motivation in other 00:39:15.579 --> 00:39:18.989 ways. Yep. If you don't have any engagement with 00:39:18.989 --> 00:39:22.849 your dog, you're not going to be able to motivate 00:39:22.849 --> 00:39:27.510 your dog to do anything without food or toys. 00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:31.489 Maybe love and affection, if that's what your 00:39:31.489 --> 00:39:36.070 dog loves. But something, you've got to give 00:39:36.070 --> 00:39:40.590 your dog some sort of motivation. And your dog 00:39:40.590 --> 00:39:44.250 dictates that. There's no version of this that 00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:46.889 you get to dictate what is going to motivate 00:39:46.889 --> 00:39:49.070 your dog. It's always on the dog's schedule. 00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:56.929 All right. That aside, what, Brianna, what is 00:39:56.929 --> 00:40:01.849 your favorite replacement behavior for chronic 00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:08.110 jumpers? Place. All day. i do i love place i 00:40:08.110 --> 00:40:09.829 get i get asked all the time and it's like we 00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:11.730 i just answered this question the other day it's 00:40:11.730 --> 00:40:13.309 like well how long is like too long to hang out 00:40:13.309 --> 00:40:15.570 on place i'm like never it's like cool like if 00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:17.269 you could stay in bed and relax all day would 00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:21.579 you because like i would And most of the time, 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.099 like our dogs now, you don't tell them to go 00:40:24.099 --> 00:40:25.380 to place. And most of the time you look over 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:26.940 and they're like laying on their place bed. Because 00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:28.579 what else are they going to do? Lay on the ground? 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:30.860 Because eventually that's what your dog does, 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:32.800 right? They eventually lay down on the ground. 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.559 If not, they're pacing and that's anxious behavior. 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.920 And that's not good for anyone. But your dog's 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.800 going to lay down eventually. And that's what 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.199 place is for. That's what dogs do. They're just 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.789 going to lay on that instead. And so sometimes 00:40:48.789 --> 00:40:50.969 I ask for it, sometimes I don't. But most of 00:40:50.969 --> 00:40:53.230 the time, I just naturally am like, okay, place. 00:40:53.829 --> 00:40:57.070 And then they never fight me on it unless something 00:40:57.070 --> 00:41:01.469 exciting is going on. But that's definitely my 00:41:01.469 --> 00:41:03.809 go -to behavior, right? Because you can move 00:41:03.809 --> 00:41:05.949 a place bed, you can put it anywhere, you can 00:41:05.949 --> 00:41:08.670 have multiples, you can put it across the room, 00:41:08.829 --> 00:41:11.550 you can move it inches, centimeters, whatever 00:41:11.550 --> 00:41:16.130 you need to. But there's so many options with 00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:22.250 place. Yeah. Because place, place doesn't have 00:41:22.250 --> 00:41:25.429 to be this exact bed. It can also be a different 00:41:25.429 --> 00:41:28.110 space, right? Yeah. You can put down a towel 00:41:28.110 --> 00:41:31.190 or a pad or a this or a that. Yeah. What you're 00:41:31.190 --> 00:41:34.750 doing with place, it's not about the bed that 00:41:34.750 --> 00:41:38.469 they're laying in. It's about you gave them a 00:41:38.469 --> 00:41:43.440 position. Yeah. You gave them a job. Yeah. And 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.860 so the reason we like our dogs laying on place 00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:51.940 and the reason why we pattern it so much that 00:41:51.940 --> 00:41:56.840 they also choose their place beds to go lay down 00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:01.099 is because they've done it so many times. They're 00:42:01.099 --> 00:42:05.920 like, they've built value in their minds in those 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.099 spaces. That's where they chew on bones. We don't 00:42:09.099 --> 00:42:11.889 let the dogs, because we have four dogs. So we 00:42:11.889 --> 00:42:14.710 don't let the dogs just chew on bones willy nilly 00:42:14.710 --> 00:42:17.070 throughout the house because otherwise we'll 00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:20.190 start competitions over the bones. Right. Right. 00:42:20.469 --> 00:42:23.929 They love if something does spook the dogs and 00:42:23.929 --> 00:42:26.329 our dogs, they're not perfect. They're not robots. 00:42:26.489 --> 00:42:29.809 Right. They get up off of their place beds. Something 00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:32.869 happens or they hear a noise and hey, I need 00:42:32.869 --> 00:42:35.750 to check this out or whatever at the whatever 00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:39.679 happens. One dog leaves their place bed and their 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.539 bone is on the place. The other dogs. Oh, yeah. 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.559 Will bolt across the room to take that bone. 00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:48.820 Why? No reason other than that's what they had. 00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:51.440 Yeah. Because they all have the same bones. Oh, 00:42:51.539 --> 00:42:53.559 my gosh. A free one. Oh, my goodness. I got to 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.340 go get it. I got to get an extra. And then and 00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.920 then we have to, you know, put them back on their 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.820 their respective places or be like, no, no, that 00:43:01.820 --> 00:43:03.820 one's not yours. That one's yours. Right. But 00:43:03.820 --> 00:43:06.260 it's but those things aside. It's like paying 00:43:06.260 --> 00:43:08.380 a human to hang out in bed all day. It's like, 00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:11.139 why would you not take that job? I would take 00:43:11.139 --> 00:43:13.340 that job. It's like, cool, yeah, just bring me 00:43:13.340 --> 00:43:19.280 my food here. This is fine. But to sum up what 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.820 I was going for, those bones, because I don't 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:26.699 just give them a bone and be like, go ahead and 00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:30.679 go chew on it wherever you want. That is an activity 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.800 that they do on their place beds. And that has 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.280 started to build value of that space in their 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.860 minds so then they go to it automatically because 00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:46.079 hey i get good things here i get pets i get attention 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.539 on my place we don't send dogs to place and then 00:43:49.539 --> 00:43:52.300 never pet them yeah we don't send dogs to place 00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:55.579 and then not talk to them we give them attention 00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:59.119 when they're on place and when they're not on 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:03.000 place that's when We tune them out. That's when 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.099 we ignore them. That's when it's just a transit 00:44:06.099 --> 00:44:11.159 from the door to here or they're following me 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:16.260 around. But I'm not engaging them. I'm not giving 00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:19.239 them that attention and building that pack drive 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.260 when they're not doing something that I want 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:27.280 them to do. That's how you build that value. 00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:34.780 Okay. structured practice sessions what's your 00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:38.980 advice for before the guests even arrive oh how 00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:42.059 do you like kind of said it right um what we 00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:46.440 talked about like at the end um the other version 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:52.500 of this right is you go outside before the guest 00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:57.199 comes in yeah and you just you just explain it 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.150 you do not I really want to advocate for people 00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:08.030 to not feel embarrassed by explaining to someone 00:45:08.030 --> 00:45:11.889 how hard you've been working at not reinforcing 00:45:11.889 --> 00:45:16.190 your dog to either jump or to behave in a crazy 00:45:16.190 --> 00:45:20.630 way. So when someone comes over and you stick 00:45:20.630 --> 00:45:22.829 your head out the door and you're like, hey, 00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.809 I've been working real hard on this. I just want 00:45:25.809 --> 00:45:28.440 to let you know. This is the best way that I've 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.300 found to do this. Can you please just ignore 00:45:31.300 --> 00:45:33.940 my dog? I'm going to work with him the best I 00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:37.940 can. But he might jump once or twice and then 00:45:37.940 --> 00:45:41.000 he'll lose interest and I'll manage it. But can 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.699 you just try real hard not to make any eye contact 00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:47.280 or reach your hands down when he comes over? 00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:52.219 Yeah. That can go a long, long ways in explaining 00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:56.280 to them what you're working on. And then... People 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.780 are a lot more apt to be like, oh, yeah, no problem. 00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:04.340 Yeah. My dog does this or I've seen this or whatever 00:46:04.340 --> 00:46:08.599 it is. But you don't need to be embarrassed about 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.820 it. Yeah. Because I think most people understand 00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:16.679 how hard it is to work through some of those 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:29.099 things. Last one. What do you suggest? How do 00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:33.059 you keep or what do you do to keep guests from 00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:37.539 sabotaging? I know you could talk through, but 00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:40.239 the only thing that I can think of, how do you 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.639 keep guests from sabotaging your reinforcement 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:50.179 events here? If you have a guest that just cannot 00:46:50.179 --> 00:46:53.380 keep their hands to themselves. right and they're 00:46:53.380 --> 00:46:55.519 just going to they just want to pet that dog 00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:01.039 right that's the when you identify that guest 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.639 that's when your dog's got to go on a leash yeah 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.980 either that or i'm like yeah just like or in 00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:07.860 a crate i'm like yeah just go in the kennel and 00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:10.820 like chat tap out on this one it's it's fine 00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:12.820 because when you get it when you get a guest 00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:17.619 that just cannot yeah respect those boundaries 00:47:17.619 --> 00:47:20.639 for you to work through those things then it's 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:24.230 probably not worth Yeah. And usually that goes 00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:26.309 for like kids that are too young to understand 00:47:26.309 --> 00:47:30.750 instructions and adults who don't know what boundaries 00:47:30.750 --> 00:47:39.230 are. I want to pet that dog. So for those guests, 00:47:39.289 --> 00:47:42.050 and if you know that that's a guest, because 00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:47.050 I've, I've heard this before. Oh my. You can 00:47:47.050 --> 00:47:48.989 call them out. It's usually the sister -in -law. 00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:53.719 It's not the brother -in -law. Just saying. It's 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:59.300 like, she just loves dogs so much. When that 00:47:59.300 --> 00:48:05.599 happens, right, just go into a management scenario 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.679 rather than a corrective scenario. It's going 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.699 to damage your relationship with your dog less. 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:13.440 Right, you got to be fair to the dog on that. 00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:17.530 Don't expect too much of your dog too soon. Right. 00:48:17.570 --> 00:48:19.849 And if the humans can't listen to the rules, 00:48:19.989 --> 00:48:24.190 you can't expect the dog to understand and keep 00:48:24.190 --> 00:48:30.250 that structure. Yep. All right. The next thing 00:48:30.250 --> 00:48:34.050 I've got on the list is listener projects. So 00:48:34.050 --> 00:48:36.090 before we go into that, I'm going to open it 00:48:36.090 --> 00:48:39.750 up for questions. Jen, I saw your comments there. 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.280 Jen says, and there you go. And there you go. 00:48:45.340 --> 00:48:49.000 Love it. I'm going to unmute you guys here. I 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.199 meant that to Brianna. Oh, to Brianna? Yeah, 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.019 when she says, oh, I just tell them to go to 00:48:54.019 --> 00:48:57.599 place. Yeah, that's my favorite. It's like, and 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.079 there you go. And you'll find Brianna in bed. 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:07.280 Yeah. Well, I personally struggle with trying 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.639 to get Chanoa to. Go to place for me. But I am 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:19.500 working on it. My mobility. Is limited. As far 00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:26.000 as. Has gotten worse. But like. When we have 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.139 somebody come to the house. Especially like if 00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:32.000 there's a delivery. Or when the family comes 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.760 over. As soon as they come through the door. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.389 Chenoa is like. Halfway up Abel's. And you know 00:49:39.389 --> 00:49:44.070 how tall Abel is, Ryan. So it's like she just 00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:48.070 is, not that she's attacking, she's just so excited 00:49:48.070 --> 00:49:53.030 to see them. Gotcha. And so, you know, we're, 00:49:53.030 --> 00:49:57.010 it's not just so much the dog being trained, 00:49:57.050 --> 00:50:00.389 it's the humans being trained, as Cliff has always 00:50:00.389 --> 00:50:03.190 said. But we are still trying to work with it 00:50:03.190 --> 00:50:08.880 on her. Do you? I know she's grown since the 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.659 last time that we did something. Does the place 00:50:14.659 --> 00:50:18.000 bed that you – 55 pounds. She's 55 pounds now? 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.920 Oh, my gosh. Does the place bed that you guys 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.099 use, does it move? Can you move it closer to 00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:28.219 you? That's what I was going to suggest, yeah. 00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:31.480 Yeah. Yeah, I would try to maybe restructure 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.679 for a little bit and put the place bed close 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.699 to you so that you can have her on a leash and 00:50:35.699 --> 00:50:38.500 kind of hold her accountable, but you not have 00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:40.800 to be mobile in that. That is a wonderful idea. 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.500 Because when Chenoa specifically, right, I would 00:50:44.500 --> 00:50:46.920 say when the dog, but in this case it's Chenoa, 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:51.559 when she sees the example that, well, because 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.219 of your mobility, right, just calling it what 00:50:54.219 --> 00:50:57.300 it is, when you're not going to get up and hold 00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:01.300 her accountable, because you can't it only takes 00:51:01.300 --> 00:51:06.320 a few times for her to be like yeah right i yeah 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.239 i'm not gonna do that and at that point now she 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.840 can kind of take control of that interaction 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.500 yeah but by moving that place bed closer to you 00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:18.860 and then just having her on a on a simple leash 00:51:18.860 --> 00:51:23.599 you can simply just be like no no i am gonna 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:25.139 hold you accountable you're gonna go on your 00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:30.139 place and By working through that with repetition, 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:39.519 she'll understand that expectation and start 00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:45.820 to build that into her, like that's her, I'm 00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:48.300 looking for a word and I'm lost. You're just 00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:49.699 staring at me over there. I don't know, her home 00:51:49.699 --> 00:51:51.079 base? I have no idea what you're trying to say. 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.119 Right, so the same concept of how our dogs naturally 00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:00.440 go to their, their place bed they we've increased 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.840 the value of that place bed that's where they 00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.059 get treats that's where they get attention that's 00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:08.980 where they they get like engagement from us so 00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:13.480 as you move that bed closer to you that bed will 00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:18.280 have more value to her also right Yeah. Because 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:19.960 like I said, because a lot of times dogs moved 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.420 around and that's one of my favorite, like that's 00:52:22.420 --> 00:52:24.059 one of my favorite things about it is like you 00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:25.900 can put a place bed wherever you want to. Right. 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.800 And a lot of times dogs like to be closer to 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.360 you. Right. That's what she wants to do. So by 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.400 putting it closer to you, you automatically raise 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.880 the value of that bed at the beginning. Then 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:41.420 when you tell her and you use those repetitions 00:52:41.420 --> 00:52:43.739 and then hold those, hold her accountable to 00:52:43.739 --> 00:52:47.360 stay to go there. You will you will find that 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.860 you'll improve that situation. Yeah. Yeah. She's 00:52:50.860 --> 00:52:54.519 actually gotten like one time a day. She'll come 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.559 up in the middle of the day and she wants to 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:03.579 be at the foot of my recliner with my recliner 00:53:03.579 --> 00:53:08.500 raised. And she just lays there. And so she just 00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:11.280 lays there on the end of the recliner. But I 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.059 am going to move the bed over. I'm going to start 00:53:14.059 --> 00:53:16.059 doing that tomorrow. Awesome. Moving it over 00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:23.739 close to me so that I can have her more accountable. 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.179 Yeah, perfect. Awesome. All right. Does anyone 00:53:28.179 --> 00:53:30.579 else have a question about anything that we talked 00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:32.019 about tonight? Did you hear something? Oh, Cliff? 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:39.880 No, I'm good. Awesome. Mine is laziness and time. 00:53:39.940 --> 00:53:42.659 It's still more of the trainer's issue than the 00:53:42.659 --> 00:53:45.719 dog's issue. Okay, okay. Well, let us know how 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.780 it goes moving the bed closer. I will. I will. 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.000 And I can't wait for you. We can get a dry day 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.599 so we can bring her so you guys can see her. 00:53:55.820 --> 00:54:00.539 Yeah, bring her to group. Yeah. We've been meaning 00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:03.760 to, but we keep forgetting. Well, hopefully we'll 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:07.360 see you. Yep. Hopefully the weather will start 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.079 cooperating. Yeah. Right. More 19 inches of snow. 00:54:11.260 --> 00:54:13.880 All right. Does anybody else have a question 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.840 for tonight? Or we will wrap it up with the listener 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.360 projects. I'll give you a quick second here. 00:54:26.260 --> 00:54:33.059 All right. So listener project number one. Sit 00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:36.039 before greetings. So put the dog on a leash before 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.159 the greetings ever happen. We talked through 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.119 a couple of different ways you can do that. But 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.519 even if this is at the end, like what Brianna 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.179 was saying, even at the end of the interaction, 00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:50.420 ask for a sit before the person approaches. We 00:54:50.420 --> 00:54:53.420 remove attention at the moment the dog stands 00:54:53.420 --> 00:54:57.960 or jumps. So someone moving towards the dog and 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.179 the dog gets all excited and everything starts 00:55:01.179 --> 00:55:03.940 to wiggle around and the dog leaves that position 00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:06.840 of the sit. You don't have to do anything. That 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:11.860 person just backs up. That's called a negative 00:55:11.860 --> 00:55:17.980 punishment where you are. removing something 00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:22.820 that the dog wanted and by removing it you decrease 00:55:22.820 --> 00:55:26.039 the likelihood that they're going to do it again 00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:33.400 negative punishment um so when that person removes 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:40.039 their attention that is the punishment um then 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:44.650 we reward the dog With that attention from that 00:55:44.650 --> 00:55:47.110 person or the closeness of that person, only 00:55:47.110 --> 00:55:50.610 when four paws stay on the floor. Practice it 00:55:50.610 --> 00:55:53.170 daily or practice it every time you have an opportunity. 00:55:53.710 --> 00:55:56.150 All right, project number two, place during door 00:55:56.150 --> 00:56:01.650 activities. So send the dog to place before we 00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:05.510 open the door. I like to train the dog that the 00:56:05.510 --> 00:56:10.900 doorbell means go to your place. So instead of 00:56:10.900 --> 00:56:12.860 the doorbell being, oh my gosh, someone's at 00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:15.460 the door and I've got to crowd the door, it's 00:56:15.460 --> 00:56:19.239 the doorbell rings and that's a cue to go to 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:26.519 my place. Reward calm behavior on the bed. So 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.300 when they stay there and they're on their bed, 00:56:29.500 --> 00:56:31.880 that's when we reward that calm behavior. That's 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.019 when we give them good things. And we release 00:56:35.019 --> 00:56:40.170 them only once they've settled. Use it. For guests, 00:56:40.349 --> 00:56:43.590 deliveries, arrivals, anything like that. All 00:56:43.590 --> 00:56:46.969 right. That's all I got for you. All right. So 00:56:46.969 --> 00:56:50.949 thank you for tuning in tonight. Thank you, everybody, 00:56:51.110 --> 00:56:54.969 that was on the call. Try to stay warm out there. 00:56:55.150 --> 00:57:00.889 The next week's topic is going to be on barking. 00:57:01.429 --> 00:57:07.610 Barking for attention. And going forward, I... 00:57:07.949 --> 00:57:11.190 Really, really would love some comments and things. 00:57:11.250 --> 00:57:14.929 We've got 400, I think we're up to like 412 listens 00:57:14.929 --> 00:57:20.070 on the podcast. So that is awesome. But I would 00:57:20.070 --> 00:57:24.210 love to hear from anybody listening after the 00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:26.929 fact. If you've got something specific that you 00:57:26.929 --> 00:57:28.929 would like to hear about or something specific 00:57:28.929 --> 00:57:31.630 you're dealing with your dog, send me a message, 00:57:31.730 --> 00:57:36.409 send me an email. we'll get on it. Um, but that 00:57:36.409 --> 00:57:38.550 is all I've got for tonight. So we're going to 00:57:38.550 --> 00:57:40.690 start to close it out here. Thank you everybody 00:57:40.690 --> 00:57:44.469 for tuning in. I appreciate it. Thank you. And 00:57:44.469 --> 00:57:49.610 good night. Good night. Good night. See you guys 00:57:49.610 --> 00:57:49.909 later.