WEBVTT 00:00:33.579 --> 00:00:36.340 Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to 00:00:36.340 --> 00:00:39.259 raising better dogs. My name is Ryan, and I'll 00:00:39.259 --> 00:00:42.140 be your host for this journey. I've got my trusty 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:44.799 co -host here, Brianna. Hello. And together, 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:46.640 we're bringing you real -world training insights 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.399 built on leadership, structure, and proven methods. 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.640 We record this podcast with live clients on the 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.920 line in one take with live, unscripted questions 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.679 and answers. At the end of the day, this podcast 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.719 is a lot more than just teaching your dog to 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:05.079 sit or stay. creating calmness, and becoming 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.019 the kind of leader your dog truly needs. We do 00:01:08.019 --> 00:01:10.480 that with our three pillar method of trust, obey, 00:01:10.700 --> 00:01:13.939 and perform. Together, we'll show you how these 00:01:13.939 --> 00:01:17.459 three pillars shape every step of training. Thanks 00:01:17.459 --> 00:01:38.980 for being here. Let's get started. Alright, hey 00:01:38.980 --> 00:01:43.120 everybody, this is episode 16, Sit Down Stay, 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:48.219 building duration without frustration. You like 00:01:48.219 --> 00:01:52.700 that? Yep, love it. Love it. Tonight we have, 00:01:53.060 --> 00:01:57.099 tonight's a little bit of a stranger night because 00:01:57.099 --> 00:02:03.099 apparently there was some crazy outage with cell 00:02:03.099 --> 00:02:06.430 phone towers. pretty much all of Verizon on the 00:02:06.430 --> 00:02:12.110 East coast. And, uh, so our invitation with the 00:02:12.110 --> 00:02:17.669 links to dial in and such, uh, did not go out 00:02:17.669 --> 00:02:21.810 to very many people today. Um, so it is what 00:02:21.810 --> 00:02:25.150 it is, but we'll make it work and, uh, and we're 00:02:25.150 --> 00:02:27.289 going to drive on and we always have these things 00:02:27.289 --> 00:02:30.870 recorded and, uh, all of our clients can kind 00:02:30.870 --> 00:02:35.860 of download them later. For the call side and 00:02:35.860 --> 00:02:40.460 then on the podcast side, it'll go live on Monday. 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:48.180 Yeah. So today we are talking about sit down 00:02:48.180 --> 00:02:55.580 stay is like what I titled it. Yeah. But it's 00:02:55.580 --> 00:02:58.879 kind of the most basic commands. Oh, yeah. That 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.620 you that most people think of when they're talking 00:03:01.620 --> 00:03:06.659 about. dog training when someone is like oh i 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:14.759 when my friends show me videos or um give me 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.259 updates on their dogs they're like they sit so 00:03:19.259 --> 00:03:23.460 good or oh they they down and they can hold it 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:25.520 down and i can go all the way over in the other 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:32.120 room it's always a source of pride to get dogs 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.900 listening right and any sort but in that sit 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:42.000 down stay is is kind of the the great trio of 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.919 dog training yeah and so tonight we're gonna 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:49.400 talk about it all right let's do it okay so sit 00:03:49.400 --> 00:04:07.080 down and stay They create a dog who waits calmly 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:11.900 and listens under some amount of pressure, right? 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.340 And we can kind of like dial that pressure up 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:17.720 with distance, duration, and distraction. But 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.959 they also respect boundaries. It's the first 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:24.199 few commands where we can kind of start to teach 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.160 a dog those boundaries and the expectations, 00:04:29.379 --> 00:04:32.920 what we expect from them. Yeah, and I think increasing 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:39.680 the ask in those basic commands is where you 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.500 start seeing your dog kind of change and adapt 00:04:42.500 --> 00:04:44.759 and build in impulse control. So a lot of people 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.399 are like, well, sitting down isn't important 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.699 to me. I don't really care. But sitting down 00:04:49.699 --> 00:04:52.060 are so many different other things than just 00:04:52.060 --> 00:04:55.819 sitting down. Right, right. No one I have yet 00:04:55.819 --> 00:05:00.379 to ever be hired to teach a dog sitting down. 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.259 Right. And we can have dogs that come in and 00:05:05.259 --> 00:05:07.160 they're aggressive and we're still going to first 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.000 off start by teaching that dog all of the basic 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.399 commands. Correct. Because you can't ask a dog 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:14.959 to do something else unless they know something 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.800 else to do. Right. It's like an implied skill 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:31.120 to get at the heart of other things. Yeah. proofing 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.660 dog training is distance, duration, and distraction. 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.579 And we're going to talk a little bit about duration 00:05:38.579 --> 00:05:41.720 today and how we build that. But duration is 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.139 built through clarity, structure, and fair expectations, 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:50.319 not randomly elongating the amount of time that 00:05:50.319 --> 00:06:01.660 they sit down or stay. I want to add that it's 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:06.639 not just about repetition and it's also not about 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:12.500 haphazardly doing it. It's about adding those 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:15.279 three in small increments. We talked a little 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:20.040 bit about that last week in how to increase both 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:25.220 duration and distance kind of hand in hand. But 00:06:25.220 --> 00:06:27.939 today we're going to apply it to some other commands. 00:06:29.470 --> 00:06:34.310 our first to start let's talk about teaching 00:06:34.310 --> 00:06:38.129 it and uh in order to teach it we've got to be 00:06:38.129 --> 00:06:41.769 super clear to the dog and we also have to really 00:06:41.769 --> 00:06:47.990 dial in our accuracy yeah because dogs have this 00:06:47.990 --> 00:06:54.050 concept of generalization that all dogs are going 00:06:54.050 --> 00:06:58.589 to relate the whatever that is that they've been 00:06:58.589 --> 00:07:01.189 asked to do whatever it is that they do they're 00:07:01.189 --> 00:07:04.610 going to relate that to a whole bunch of variables 00:07:04.610 --> 00:07:09.529 and those variables are they could be all sorts 00:07:09.529 --> 00:07:12.189 of things that you don't even realize right it 00:07:12.189 --> 00:07:14.670 could be the tone in your voice that they they 00:07:14.670 --> 00:07:17.569 locked onto it could be the fact that they sat 00:07:17.569 --> 00:07:22.490 facing the sliding glass door yeah and And every 00:07:22.490 --> 00:07:24.810 time that you have had them sit, they've been 00:07:24.810 --> 00:07:27.850 facing that sliding glass door. And so when they 00:07:27.850 --> 00:07:31.970 hear sit, they immediately relate that sliding 00:07:31.970 --> 00:07:36.870 glass door somehow to the equation. And so to 00:07:36.870 --> 00:07:40.089 achieve generalization, we've got to be accurate 00:07:40.089 --> 00:07:43.790 in our variables. But then we have to start adding 00:07:43.790 --> 00:07:46.610 in other variables and changing the stimulus. 00:07:46.889 --> 00:07:50.350 So we move them to other rooms. We take them 00:07:50.350 --> 00:07:54.240 outside. do all sorts of different things. So 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.699 let's, let's jump into it. So right off the bat, 00:07:58.779 --> 00:08:03.480 we've got to use really clean food lures. Food 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.660 luring is our first language that we always teach 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:10.740 clients. And it's the first thing that the dog 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:14.360 is going to understand. And usually when we're 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.500 talking about a dog that we're teaching to sit, 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:19.779 that is. far and away the number one thing that 00:08:19.779 --> 00:08:22.959 everyone teaches their dog oh yeah it's one of 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.519 the simplest and easiest and also the the proudest 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.459 moment in most people's lives yeah they're like 00:08:28.459 --> 00:08:32.039 yes i taught him to sit uh when you get a new 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.299 dog that's like the very first thing that people 00:08:34.299 --> 00:08:40.759 usually tend to practice yeah so there is an 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.370 unlikelihood that we're talking about If we're 00:08:45.370 --> 00:08:47.169 talking about teaching a sit, we're probably 00:08:47.169 --> 00:08:49.850 not talking about like an older dog that you 00:08:49.850 --> 00:08:54.190 had for a long time. But so it's probably like 00:08:54.190 --> 00:08:57.009 a younger dog or it's a new rescue or something 00:08:57.009 --> 00:09:00.850 that happened. And now you're teaching it to 00:09:00.850 --> 00:09:04.149 sit for the first time. So when we first start 00:09:04.149 --> 00:09:06.950 working with a dog, we always use food lures. 00:09:07.049 --> 00:09:11.730 And we lure a dog into that position until they 00:09:11.730 --> 00:09:16.120 are used to it. Until they start offering it. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:22.399 And then we can start naming it. Yep. But what 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.360 if. So here's a side note. But still goes very 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.679 much along with that. Go for it. What if you 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:32.100 can't use a food lure? So I ran into this today. 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:35.659 Right. So there's some dogs that aren't super 00:09:35.659 --> 00:09:39.240 food motivated. Right. Or under pressure just 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.820 really are not going to do it. So today, in the 00:09:43.820 --> 00:09:47.840 instance, I was working on a place bed. Dog's 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:51.220 totally used to it. And I start working on a 00:09:51.220 --> 00:09:52.899 down because we had already gotten in a sit. 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.240 So we're working on down. Dog will not food lure. 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:59.259 Also, a smaller dog, super close to the ground. 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:05.419 And so I could tell that we were just going to 00:10:05.419 --> 00:10:07.740 have a hard time on the place bed. Although she 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:09.620 had been on the place bed, was comfortable with 00:10:09.620 --> 00:10:14.039 it, no problem. moved her to a different platform, 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:18.179 did the same thing, still doing nothing, right? 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.740 And at this point, I was trying leash pressure 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:24.340 because she was used to leash pressure. Just 00:10:24.340 --> 00:10:26.159 not going to do it. Super uncomfortable with 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.080 it. So went to the next thing. I went to her 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:35.360 bed that she loves, soft, comfy, warm bed, waited 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.000 for her to lay down and marked it with a clicker 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:40.679 as soon as she did and tossed the food away from 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.220 her. And so she got out of the bed and went to 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:46.600 go get it, went back to the bed, laid down again. 00:10:46.659 --> 00:10:49.620 I marked it with a clicker. Nice. So there are 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:51.360 some things that you can do kind of and will 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.440 have to do for different dogs to shape those 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.419 behaviors before you can even go through like 00:10:57.419 --> 00:10:59.539 a food lure or leash pressure or any of that. 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:04.080 Yeah. So fun story for today. Awesome. Yeah, 00:11:04.100 --> 00:11:05.700 because for most dogs, you're going to use a 00:11:05.700 --> 00:11:07.659 food lure. Most dogs are going to be food motivated 00:11:07.659 --> 00:11:10.240 enough. And if you're teaching sit. Typically, 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.960 it's going to be a younger dog. And the younger 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.860 the dog is, the more food motivated the dog is 00:11:15.860 --> 00:11:19.600 going to be. So luring a dog with food initially 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.139 into a sit position is going to be as simple 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:24.539 as raising the food up most of the time above 00:11:24.539 --> 00:11:27.220 the dog's head until they bring their butt down. 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.860 Naturally, that's a movement that dogs do without 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:36.139 kind of a lot of guidance for the most part with 00:11:36.139 --> 00:11:39.220 the typical dog. If it's an older dog, they may 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.240 be a little bit confused at first, but the key 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.679 to most things that we tell people is patience 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:48.779 and just waiting for your dog to kind of figure 00:11:48.779 --> 00:11:52.299 it out because them figuring it out builds their 00:11:52.299 --> 00:11:57.299 confidence that they can and will do new things. 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.889 So let's talk about some of the... basics that 00:12:01.889 --> 00:12:04.730 we want to have in place in order to start this 00:12:04.730 --> 00:12:09.149 sit down stay process so um food luring super 00:12:09.149 --> 00:12:13.250 easy and important on dogs that are food motivated 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:16.730 we can build that food motivation by teaching 00:12:16.730 --> 00:12:18.710 a dog to work for their food there's a bunch 00:12:18.710 --> 00:12:21.470 of different ways to do that but we can slowly 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:25.269 increase the amount that the dog kind of works 00:12:25.269 --> 00:12:29.350 for that food in order to get it then Once we've 00:12:29.350 --> 00:12:31.990 established that food motivation, we can use 00:12:31.990 --> 00:12:35.250 that food to lure the dog into these positions 00:12:35.250 --> 00:12:41.049 and then use marker words or a clicker. A clicker, 00:12:41.049 --> 00:12:46.649 which is some sort of auditory command or sound 00:12:46.649 --> 00:12:51.669 or stimulus to tell the dog that, hey, you did 00:12:51.669 --> 00:12:55.190 the right thing and that's something that I want 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:59.309 you to repeat. The timing for that is going to 00:12:59.309 --> 00:13:03.350 be super, super important. We have to mark, the 00:13:03.350 --> 00:13:05.889 science says that we've got about one to one 00:13:05.889 --> 00:13:09.750 and a half seconds to mark a behavior that you 00:13:09.750 --> 00:13:17.289 want the dog to repeat. Or you have to mark the 00:13:17.289 --> 00:13:20.190 behavior you don't want the dog to repeat. So 00:13:20.190 --> 00:13:22.769 we have to have balance, our good and our bad, 00:13:22.809 --> 00:13:29.080 our yes and our no. With that, we want to use 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:35.720 some sort of auditory cue to tell the dog that 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:38.759 they've done the right thing. For us, we use 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:43.399 free as a terminal marker, meaning you're done. 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.299 You did the right thing and you're done. Come 00:13:46.299 --> 00:13:51.919 to me and get a treat. And then we use yes as 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:56.669 a continuation marker, meaning. That good job, 00:13:56.690 --> 00:13:58.950 you've done the right thing, but I want you to 00:13:58.950 --> 00:14:03.730 continue to do it. So at the point where we get 00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:07.330 into our markers, we have to have established 00:14:07.330 --> 00:14:12.649 a pattern of the behavior that we can then reinforce 00:14:12.649 --> 00:14:20.330 with our words. What that means is that I need 00:14:20.330 --> 00:14:23.970 to... I need to get the dog to be able to do 00:14:23.970 --> 00:14:27.049 and repeat the behavior a few times before I 00:14:27.049 --> 00:14:31.909 can start relating a word to it. At that point, 00:14:31.970 --> 00:14:35.870 at the point where they're offering the behavior, 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:38.230 they're doing it over and over, like what Brianna 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:40.750 was talking about, where the dog was going back 00:14:40.750 --> 00:14:44.149 to the place bed, then she can start relating 00:14:44.149 --> 00:14:51.100 and tying a word or a command into that. At that 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:58.320 point, we start reinforcing that word with our 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.580 terminal marker. And we put it all together. 00:15:02.340 --> 00:15:07.940 So now I'm luring the dog towards me. I bring 00:15:07.940 --> 00:15:13.279 my hands up. The dog's nose comes with that food, 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.860 comes up. Their butt goes down. They sit at the 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:21.039 moment that their butt hits the floor. Then I 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:26.480 can mark it. Sorry, I'm still out of order. I 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:27.919 don't know what's going on in my brain today. 00:15:29.659 --> 00:15:31.919 At the point where their butt hits the ground, 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:37.559 I can reissue that command. I can say sit so 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:43.120 that I pattern the word sit with the actual action. 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:47.299 That's how we start naming the command. We don't 00:15:47.299 --> 00:15:49.769 name it first. We don't say sit. And then we 00:15:49.769 --> 00:15:53.149 just hope that they're going to sit. We pattern 00:15:53.149 --> 00:15:57.669 it as they're doing it. So now their butt hits 00:15:57.669 --> 00:15:59.690 the ground. And right as it hits the ground, 00:15:59.730 --> 00:16:04.389 I go sit. And then I follow that with my marker 00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:07.710 that I've already charged. We did a whole podcast 00:16:07.710 --> 00:16:10.730 on charging those markers earlier. But I charge 00:16:10.730 --> 00:16:13.830 up a marker, some sort of word that has that 00:16:13.830 --> 00:16:17.620 value that they know a treat is coming. then 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:22.299 give them that terminal marker after they've 00:16:22.299 --> 00:16:28.200 sat and I've named it. Typically, that terminal 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.000 marker will cause the dog to break their command 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:36.240 and go and get their treat. And that sets you 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.259 up for that next repetition. Yep. All right. 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.120 So we want to avoid repeating the cue. Because 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.500 repeating the cue, if I just go sit and then 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:54.279 the dog doesn't sit, I'm stuck. Because either 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:58.240 now I repeat the cue, which lowers or lessens 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.200 the value of that cue, or I have to correct the 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:08.920 dog somehow. Whether that is some sort of, no 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:13.720 matter what. That correction is it is too early 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.839 in the process to be correcting the dog because 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:21.779 they don't know what you're doing. So it doesn't 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:23.359 even matter what the correction is. A correction 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.700 could just be spatial pressure where you just 00:17:25.700 --> 00:17:28.220 step towards the dog and you're like, no. But 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:30.519 at this point, the dog doesn't even know what 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:35.420 they did or didn't do. So it's not fair. And 00:17:35.420 --> 00:17:40.119 so we shy away from that. Instead. You just got 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.259 to be brilliant in those basics. And you got 00:17:42.259 --> 00:17:46.079 to not repeat that cue. You have to be patient 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.859 and you got to wait. Right. I have a dog that 00:17:48.859 --> 00:17:50.500 I'm working with right now that will stare at 00:17:50.500 --> 00:17:54.059 me for like 30 seconds straight, just staring. 00:17:54.619 --> 00:17:57.740 And I just stare back. And then finally I get 00:17:57.740 --> 00:18:00.579 the behavior and I throw a big party. But it's 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:03.599 all about letting the dog think through it and 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.559 letting the dog process. Did they ask me to do 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.420 this? Do I really have to do this? It seems like 00:18:10.420 --> 00:18:13.940 I have to do this. And then you get the behavior 00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:16.299 that you're looking for without going back and 00:18:16.299 --> 00:18:20.339 forth with your dog. Yeah. So then we reward. 00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:25.539 We've got to reward the dog. Also, at the same 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:29.759 time as for the command, we can also reward calmness 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:34.839 through the whole process. We use a terminal 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.420 marker. That marker that says, OK, go ahead and 00:18:38.420 --> 00:18:42.559 get up. We use that one to build speed and enthusiasm 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.859 and excitement. But we'll use a continuation 00:18:45.859 --> 00:18:51.759 marker or yes marker to build calmness and duration. 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.799 Even the way that we say it can be different. 00:18:57.579 --> 00:19:00.539 Right. When I'm using free, I'm going to be real 00:19:00.539 --> 00:19:03.960 excited about it free. And when I'm using yes. 00:19:04.569 --> 00:19:07.710 I can calm that voice down a little bit, calm 00:19:07.710 --> 00:19:12.349 my tone. And what that does is it kind of leads 00:19:12.349 --> 00:19:15.569 the dog and guides the dog, even with your voice 00:19:15.569 --> 00:19:19.390 and your tone, to know kind of what you're expecting. 00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:27.589 And then the last piece of this is that we want 00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:32.059 to build stability first. Before we layer in 00:19:32.059 --> 00:19:34.579 that duration and the distraction and the distance. 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:41.599 Right. So you've got to get the dog really good. 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:50.960 Really good at first on the command. And so what 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:56.740 that looks like is 30, 40, 50, 60 repetitions, 00:19:56.740 --> 00:20:01.670 right? Yeah. are awesome we have to start there 00:20:01.670 --> 00:20:05.369 because you can't just go oh wow they're sitting 00:20:05.369 --> 00:20:09.549 over here now let me change the picture we've 00:20:09.549 --> 00:20:14.049 gotta we've gotta really build that um that brilliance 00:20:14.049 --> 00:20:18.710 in those basics and so before you move on you 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:23.829 need to have that sit at the verbal level right 00:20:23.829 --> 00:20:26.730 there's three languages that we teach our food 00:20:26.730 --> 00:20:30.849 luring then our leash pressure, and then our 00:20:30.849 --> 00:20:35.109 verbal commands. In those orders, so that we 00:20:35.109 --> 00:20:43.690 can layer those and ask the dog for the command, 00:20:43.829 --> 00:20:48.789 but use different levels of guidance and different 00:20:48.789 --> 00:20:52.369 levels of accountability. Right, because that's 00:20:52.369 --> 00:20:54.509 what's important is if you don't rep it out enough 00:20:54.509 --> 00:20:57.750 times and you're not successful enough times 00:20:57.750 --> 00:21:02.150 with even just strictly verbal, then if you move 00:21:02.150 --> 00:21:06.089 on to like stepping outside and the dog fails, 00:21:06.549 --> 00:21:09.730 then is it the dog's fault or did we just move 00:21:09.730 --> 00:21:15.789 too quickly? Yeah. All right. What's your favorite 00:21:15.789 --> 00:21:22.470 way to teach down? shaping is one of them just 00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:25.009 capturing it when the dog does it naturally because 00:21:25.009 --> 00:21:28.950 dogs it depending on the dog a lot of dogs will 00:21:28.950 --> 00:21:32.289 just lay down wherever you are if they are standing 00:21:32.289 --> 00:21:35.490 there long enough um so one is shaping and capturing 00:21:35.490 --> 00:21:40.319 two is going to be um I don't even know what 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.099 to call it, but like the little rock game where 00:21:42.099 --> 00:21:44.319 you put your hand over the food and they just 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.039 try to get it. Typically that will lead a dog 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.440 into the position of down and they will lay down 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:54.200 while trying to get the food. So you're not really 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:55.740 putting a whole bunch of pressure on the dog. 00:21:55.819 --> 00:21:57.579 They're just kind of having a good time and trying 00:21:57.579 --> 00:22:00.779 to get at what they want. And then as soon as 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:04.400 they plop down to inevitably work on getting 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.380 the food in a more comfortable position. um you 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:12.539 can mark and release the reward nice um so i 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:15.380 typically will take that food and i'll draw them 00:22:15.380 --> 00:22:18.680 towards me right so that they're in a stand and 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.259 they're walking kind of towards me and as their 00:22:22.259 --> 00:22:26.519 body is moving forward i'll drop that food with 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.740 my in my hand drop it right between their paws 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:35.799 and because a lot of dogs learn to do down By 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.920 after a sit. Yeah, right. So biomechanically, 00:22:39.019 --> 00:22:42.960 it's really hard for dogs to do that the like 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.880 a competition down you want the dog to fold actually 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.720 backwards and so There's kind of two different 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:53.339 ways of teaching it depends on whether the dog 00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:59.180 is You know brand new or if they already know 00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:02.460 the sitting down so but typically I have a lot 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:08.309 better efficacy in drawing the dog forward because 00:23:08.309 --> 00:23:12.690 they're used to it if if they've never done it 00:23:12.690 --> 00:23:18.730 before then going from a stand and kind of giving 00:23:18.730 --> 00:23:22.230 them a little bit of pressure right into their 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:26.130 nose right and then dropping it down in between 00:23:26.130 --> 00:23:30.369 their paws oftentimes gets that like they automatically 00:23:30.369 --> 00:23:34.559 kind of back up just just a tad yeah And as they 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:39.880 kind of like loosen their, I mean, like the muscles 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:43.200 that are like holding them up. Right. And then 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:46.259 they just kind of fold backwards. And that helps 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:52.759 a lot. Yeah. And then the same thing. Once we've 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.420 got that food lure down there a couple of times, 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.420 then we can start naming the command by as soon 00:23:59.420 --> 00:24:03.109 as they go. into the down i can name it down 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:08.990 and then i can start slowly each time naming 00:24:08.990 --> 00:24:13.049 it just a little bit earlier yeah slowly but 00:24:13.049 --> 00:24:20.490 surely until eventually you're pre um i don't 00:24:20.490 --> 00:24:22.250 know what the right word is but you're saying 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:27.769 it before and then yeah prefacing their their 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:33.079 movement with the With the command. Yeah. For 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:39.079 stay. This is really, really easy. If you've 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:43.839 built in terminal and continuation markers before 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:47.920 this point, because our stay, the way that we 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.279 teach it and the way that I use it and my dogs 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:56.279 is implied. And it's implied that if I haven't 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:02.069 given you the command free. then you're not free 00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:04.710 and you're not doing it. You're not moving. So 00:25:04.710 --> 00:25:08.990 I go down and then I use yes. Yes means, hey, 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:10.690 good job. Here we go. I'm going to give you a 00:25:10.690 --> 00:25:13.849 treat, but stay right there. Stay in the position. 00:25:14.690 --> 00:25:22.490 If you haven't taught that, and this is your 00:25:22.490 --> 00:25:26.940 very first time doing stay. then you've got to 00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:30.460 do the same process, but you're going to start 00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:38.140 building a tiny little bit of distance each time 00:25:38.140 --> 00:25:42.779 that you're issuing the stay command. So you're 00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:44.819 going to go stay, you're going to take a little 00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:48.019 half step away, and then you're going to come 00:25:48.019 --> 00:25:53.359 back. And I'm a huge supporter of the contact 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.500 release. when you're trying to teach stay because 00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:59.119 it makes it very, very crystal clear for the 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:01.140 dog. And what that means is that you're just 00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.380 going to reach out and just touch them on the 00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:05.859 nose or on the head or something like that nicely. 00:26:06.019 --> 00:26:08.720 Right. And you're just reaching out and then 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.059 you give them the okay or the free or the release 00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.119 or whatever at the moment that you're actually 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:20.240 touching them. Yeah. That builds the dog's nervous 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:25.380 system to look for that proximity. to you rather 00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:28.299 than for you to just randomly issue a command 00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:31.839 like free right also great for a multi -dog household 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.759 so they know which dog you're talking to exactly 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:43.500 yep yep really good um what what are some of 00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.680 the like common mistakes that you see when we 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:52.599 go into down really sit and down um Not marking 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.000 it at the right time, either too early or too 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.619 late. Most of the time it's too late. Right, 00:26:59.740 --> 00:27:01.900 so that's a good one. Let's talk about that for 00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:07.099 a second. I said it earlier, before I got all 00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:09.640 twisted up with my words, that we've got about 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.039 a second and a half. That's what the science 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.740 books say. I didn't make it up. But they say 00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:20.059 that the dog understands what you're marking. 00:27:21.210 --> 00:27:22.970 For about a second and a half. Some dogs will 00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:25.869 be longer. That's fine. And especially once they're 00:27:25.869 --> 00:27:31.869 trained, once they know what's expected, you 00:27:31.869 --> 00:27:33.730 can get a little longer out of there. But when 00:27:33.730 --> 00:27:36.789 you're first marking a brand new behavior, you've 00:27:36.789 --> 00:27:40.730 got to be quick about it. Yeah. And my second 00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:44.809 one was making a dog hold a duration sit or down 00:27:44.809 --> 00:27:50.329 for too long too soon. Yeah. Or adding too much 00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:52.250 distraction. Right. And I think both of those 00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:55.650 go hand in hand. Right. So because that's why 00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:58.450 people are usually late. People are late because 00:27:58.450 --> 00:28:01.730 they're like down and then the dog goes down 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:04.869 and then they just stare at them for a minute 00:28:04.869 --> 00:28:07.890 or two. Not a minute or two, but like a few seconds. 00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:11.269 Yeah. And then they're like, yeah, great job. 00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:16.279 Well, that was duration. Yeah. If you're not 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.259 marking it immediately as soon as they're going 00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:24.119 into a down, then you are already working on 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:31.279 duration. And duration is a variable of proofing. 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.500 And you can't proof a command if the dog doesn't 00:28:36.500 --> 00:28:39.099 understand it yet. If you haven't taught it and 00:28:39.099 --> 00:28:41.640 you haven't taught it thoroughly, you can't proof 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.359 it. Right, so when we're teaching it, the first 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:51.819 20, 30, 40 reps, however many, are always down 00:28:51.819 --> 00:28:55.019 free. Right, we're always using the terminal 00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:57.539 marker first. Immediately, as soon as all the 00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:01.319 elbows touch. Yep, yeah, 100%. If you're not 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.700 using that terminal marker and you're starting 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.880 with a continuation marker, you're setting yourself 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.799 up for failure and you're setting you and the 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.880 dog at odds right off the bat. Right. Duration 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:20.599 will always be part of the proofing process. 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:27.500 All right. How about creeping? Creeping is a 00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:31.339 hard one. It's so annoying. So creeping creeping 00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:36.759 is where a dog sits. Right. And they are on a 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.059 hardwood floor and they're like paws are like 00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:41.930 slipping out from under them and they. go to 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:49.049 like you know move in order to um in order to 00:29:49.049 --> 00:29:51.990 stabilize themselves but then you don't correct 00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:54.750 them because you are like oh well they were just 00:29:54.750 --> 00:29:58.269 sliding right and then they're like cool i can 00:29:58.269 --> 00:30:00.509 get a little closer and then i can get a little 00:30:00.509 --> 00:30:02.269 closer i can get a little closer and then they 00:30:02.269 --> 00:30:05.210 find that oh i can just i can just creep up on 00:30:05.210 --> 00:30:09.289 you or they spontaneously Try it. Yeah. Right. 00:30:09.369 --> 00:30:11.230 They're in a down and then they kind of do the 00:30:11.230 --> 00:30:13.150 little army crawl. Right. Because they want to 00:30:13.150 --> 00:30:14.930 stretch out their back legs or something. Yeah. 00:30:15.109 --> 00:30:18.190 So one, train on a different surface. Yep. We 00:30:18.190 --> 00:30:21.269 have like a rug we pull out for training dogs 00:30:21.269 --> 00:30:23.049 on so they're not slipping around everywhere. 00:30:23.430 --> 00:30:28.430 On the hardwood floor. Yeah. And then two is 00:30:28.430 --> 00:30:31.190 I usually use like a little bit of leash pressure 00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:34.369 and some body pressure to push the dog back. 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.339 Or just correct them back with body pressure 00:30:37.339 --> 00:30:41.000 to the original location. Yeah, spatial pressure 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.920 is my favorite. Right, because that's the problem 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.000 is if you ask a dog for a down and they army 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.799 crawl two feet, well, they're going to do it 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.480 again if you don't correct them back to the original 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:55.960 spot. So if you don't do that, then they're just 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.640 going to start moving around wherever. And a 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.220 down is a down until a dog is down way over there 00:31:01.220 --> 00:31:07.180 and not where it's supposed to be. Yeah, exactly. 00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:15.779 Anything that you don't correct or re -require, 00:31:15.940 --> 00:31:20.900 your dog will find acceptance in it. And then 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:25.059 they'll, if they liked it or it was useful to 00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:27.480 them, like they got closer to you, it was convenient, 00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:30.420 then they're going to do it again. Yeah. So, 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:34.119 all right. So now let's talk about building duration. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:40.380 So now we've taught the commands. We've reinforced 00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:44.519 the commands. The commands are now on a verbal 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:50.859 basis, at least in their most simple form. Now, 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.680 how do we build duration? So I usually start 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.140 with duration. Oh, is that a question or you 00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:01.119 want me to jump into? Yeah. Oh, okay. So I always 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.420 start duration on a place bed. Because a dog 00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:06.380 doesn't have to be in a sit or a down. It can 00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:09.960 be standing on the place bed. So I like to do 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.400 the equation of like three yeses equals a free 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:18.799 at that point. So I will stand by the dog and 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.759 it depends on the dog. So some dogs super like 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.539 frantic, excited, like you have to go yes, yes, 00:32:25.579 --> 00:32:31.109 yes, free, like super fast. Some dogs are. understand 00:32:31.109 --> 00:32:33.529 pretty quickly and are more patient than others 00:32:33.529 --> 00:32:35.410 and are just a little bit calmer to be honest 00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:40.549 um and you can kind of yes step back yes step 00:32:40.549 --> 00:32:45.069 forward step back yes step forward and then free 00:32:45.069 --> 00:32:48.470 off of it um but it is very dog dependent how 00:32:48.470 --> 00:32:50.250 fast you have to go from the beginning right 00:32:50.250 --> 00:32:52.990 sometimes you can't even step one foot away from 00:32:52.990 --> 00:32:54.950 the bed before the dog is like no no where are 00:32:54.950 --> 00:32:58.509 you going So my trick around that is usually 00:32:58.509 --> 00:33:01.890 I will drop the reward on the place bed, kind 00:33:01.890 --> 00:33:04.650 of on the like opposite side of me so that the 00:33:04.650 --> 00:33:07.750 dog turns to eat it and I can kind of sneak one 00:33:07.750 --> 00:33:11.789 step away while they're being rewarded. But that 00:33:11.789 --> 00:33:16.630 is my favorite and my go -to. Yeah. So I think 00:33:16.630 --> 00:33:20.690 it's super, super important to reward periodically 00:33:20.690 --> 00:33:25.980 while you're doing, while you're. While you're 00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:28.240 building this duration, right? So there's this 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.000 big concept or there's this conversation in the 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.960 dog training space about, well, do you really 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:38.180 need these? Like, do you need these marker words 00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:43.799 for the duration that are like treat based? Or 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.359 can you just use them as bridge words? Well, 00:33:47.380 --> 00:33:50.119 I think there's, there's room for conversation 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.740 on both, but the way that we do it. is that we 00:33:53.740 --> 00:33:56.759 have a word that we charge up with a marker that 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:02.599 means i am asking for that duration but i'm still 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.839 going to give you a treat in the interim and 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.280 the reason we have that is because i've found 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.380 efficiency in teaching that duration with that 00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:19.929 rather than and it's not that I think that the 00:34:19.929 --> 00:34:23.809 dogs are incapable of delaying that gratification. 00:34:24.409 --> 00:34:28.449 It's just that I've found that they, they relate 00:34:28.449 --> 00:34:33.570 that quicker. Yeah. And so that's, so I've just 00:34:33.570 --> 00:34:35.909 kept it in there. Right. And, and we keep using 00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:40.449 it to explain what I'm talking about. Cause some 00:34:40.449 --> 00:34:45.269 of these concepts are like dog trainer esque, 00:34:45.409 --> 00:34:48.280 right? If there's, Dog trainers listening, they're 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.659 like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're 00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:52.199 talking about. And no one else does. So let me 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:58.940 break it down real quick. Our word, yes, is something 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:03.380 that we use to tell the dog to stay in the position 00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:07.199 that I'm going to come to them and hand them 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.639 a treat. And then I teach them free means they're 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.360 going to stop what they're doing and they're 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.969 going to come to me and get a treat. The dog 00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:19.449 doesn't learn or understand anything about that 00:35:19.449 --> 00:35:22.989 other than where is the treat. So free means 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:27.050 come get the treat. Yes means freeze. I'm coming 00:35:27.050 --> 00:35:30.349 to you to give you the treat. Yep. And if you 00:35:30.349 --> 00:35:34.829 teach the dog that with where is the treat, it's 00:35:34.829 --> 00:35:38.570 really easy. Yeah, real easy. Because by the 00:35:38.570 --> 00:35:40.610 time that they've, they've understood that the 00:35:40.610 --> 00:35:43.250 marker means don't, don't move. Don't move. Just, 00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:45.989 just hold here. He's coming to me. Yeah. They 00:35:45.989 --> 00:35:48.510 will stay there. Right. And that's why I use 00:35:48.510 --> 00:35:50.590 place because place is a comfortable spot for 00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:53.210 a dog. Right. And they're automatically at some 00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:56.570 point going to sit and then lay down. Yeah. If 00:35:56.570 --> 00:35:59.309 not just straight lay down. Right. I worked on. 00:35:59.710 --> 00:36:01.949 Place earlier with a dog and within five reps, 00:36:02.030 --> 00:36:05.250 she was auto downing and I was taking a video 00:36:05.250 --> 00:36:07.090 and I was like, oh my gosh, you're auto downing 00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:10.550 already. But most dogs understand like, man, 00:36:10.670 --> 00:36:14.789 I get rewarded here. So I'm fine to sit here 00:36:14.789 --> 00:36:17.469 and hold it. Like I'm fine in this position. 00:36:17.510 --> 00:36:20.550 This position's good. I get rewarded here. And 00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:24.110 so teaching it in that way just leads the dog 00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:27.269 to want to do it more often and hold it longer. 00:36:28.460 --> 00:36:32.840 And as we increase that time slowly, then we 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.019 can then move on to mild distractions. And when 00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:41.500 we talk about distractions, the number one mistake 00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:47.860 that I see is people use $100 distractions in 00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:50.480 an environment where they needed like a $10 distraction. 00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:55.900 Yeah. So we've got to start slow. You can't get 00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:58.909 the dog's favorite toy. And be like, cool, we're 00:36:58.909 --> 00:37:00.889 going to work on distraction and then zing that 00:37:00.889 --> 00:37:03.190 thing across the room. Right. On the first go. 00:37:03.349 --> 00:37:07.530 Yep. That's not what we're talking about. Good 00:37:07.530 --> 00:37:12.309 examples of distraction is just like stomping 00:37:12.309 --> 00:37:16.030 a foot. Yeah. Or sitting down, changing position. 00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:19.210 You change position. Right. Sitting down and 00:37:19.210 --> 00:37:23.269 standing up and sitting down or taking a knee 00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:26.329 on the ground. Or sitting down on the ground. 00:37:26.489 --> 00:37:29.110 Right. Pretend to tie your shoe. Right. Right. 00:37:29.889 --> 00:37:32.849 Those are good distractions to start with. We're 00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:35.829 not talking about, oh, I'm going to just toss 00:37:35.829 --> 00:37:38.849 this treat. Yeah. Right next to the place bed 00:37:38.849 --> 00:37:42.289 and see if they'll hold their place. Right. It's 00:37:42.289 --> 00:37:45.250 it's probably not going to work out because they're 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.309 going to want to get the treat. Right. And the 00:37:47.309 --> 00:37:51.139 faster the item is moving, the. quicker the dog 00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:53.079 is going to break that position. And that's why 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:55.079 I call it a hundred dollar distraction because 00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:02.320 it's a $20 treat with $60 worth of speed on it. 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.829 Right. And then, you know, like there's all these 00:38:06.829 --> 00:38:09.469 other little variables that go because movement 00:38:09.469 --> 00:38:12.230 always will attract a dog. Yeah. It turns on 00:38:12.230 --> 00:38:14.469 prey drive. It turns on their like genetics to 00:38:14.469 --> 00:38:17.489 be like, oh, my goodness. And it's something 00:38:17.489 --> 00:38:20.630 that the dog will always like pay attention to. 00:38:20.730 --> 00:38:22.849 Movement will always draw their attention. And 00:38:22.849 --> 00:38:25.110 so that's how we work on like impulse control 00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:28.250 with dogs. We do. Branches into like. But later. 00:38:28.550 --> 00:38:31.210 Later. Yeah. That's that's what I'm trying to. 00:38:31.309 --> 00:38:34.760 Yeah. And so. One of the other things is like, 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:38.820 yeah, just try rolling the ball slowly away from 00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:42.179 your dog versus throwing it in the air away from 00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:44.380 your dog. Yeah. And before you even do that, 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.860 just place the toy on the ground next to you. 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:52.019 Yeah. Right. Then place it away from you. Yeah. 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.119 Then place it near them and away from you. Then 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.940 worry about rolling it. Right. Yeah. So it's 00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.289 just. All of those concepts, they're kind of 00:39:02.289 --> 00:39:04.969 self -explanatory. But the number one thing that 00:39:04.969 --> 00:39:07.989 I see that goes wrong on that front is usually 00:39:07.989 --> 00:39:12.510 that we increase distraction too quickly for 00:39:12.510 --> 00:39:14.630 the amount of proofing that we've already completed. 00:39:14.889 --> 00:39:21.989 Yep. So how about towering over the dog? Right. 00:39:22.050 --> 00:39:23.929 I think that's one of the things where people 00:39:23.929 --> 00:39:29.630 kind of spend too much time practicing is When 00:39:29.630 --> 00:39:31.949 we're teaching a dog to sit her down and we're 00:39:31.949 --> 00:39:34.909 backing away from the dog, a lot of the times 00:39:34.909 --> 00:39:38.849 the dog will end up breaking more after you've 00:39:38.849 --> 00:39:40.809 repped it out a couple times because you're still 00:39:40.809 --> 00:39:44.010 like facing them and creeping away really slowly, 00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:47.869 trying to get that distance in to build some 00:39:47.869 --> 00:39:51.469 duration. And most of the time your dog is like, 00:39:51.570 --> 00:39:53.090 I don't know what's going on. I'm going to follow 00:39:53.090 --> 00:39:55.949 you. Right. Because you're being a little bit 00:39:55.949 --> 00:39:58.710 weird. But you do have to do that to start off 00:39:58.710 --> 00:40:00.730 with. But eventually you need to turn around 00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:02.829 and walk away from the dog because that's a real 00:40:02.829 --> 00:40:05.750 life scenario is you turning around and just 00:40:05.750 --> 00:40:09.110 walking away from the dog versus walking backwards, 00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:11.789 staring at the dog. What do you think is a higher 00:40:11.789 --> 00:40:15.690 distraction? You walking away, looking at the 00:40:15.690 --> 00:40:18.130 dog or you standing right next to the dog and 00:40:18.130 --> 00:40:22.139 looking away? I think that depends on the dog 00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.940 for sure. I guess it does depend on the dog. 00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:26.380 But you probably walking away, I would think, 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.480 because the dog always, name a dog that doesn't 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.239 want to follow you to the next room. Right, and 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.179 that's kind of the point of dog training in general 00:40:34.179 --> 00:40:35.860 is that you're trying to build a better relationship 00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:38.480 with the dog. So the dog wants to hang out with 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.460 you. Yeah, it's like, no, no, come back. Where 00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:41.579 are you going? Yeah, where are you going? I want 00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:46.219 to be there. Yeah, I want to go. So the way that 00:40:46.219 --> 00:40:49.119 I recommend. doing some of that is that you you 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:53.079 should be close to the dog but turn around yeah 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.599 turn your back right go sit down on your couch 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.239 across right exactly see if they do some of these 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.239 different things right first before we try to 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.400 get all the way across the room down the hall 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.500 into the other room outside all of these things 00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:12.340 we talked yes not yesterday last week uh about 00:41:13.469 --> 00:41:16.510 Teaching place. And I kind of said the same thing 00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:17.989 is that the number one thing that people get 00:41:17.989 --> 00:41:20.250 wrong is they try to add way too much distance 00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:23.429 and distraction in there too fast. Right. And 00:41:23.429 --> 00:41:26.809 they're like five times. The dog has stayed for 00:41:26.809 --> 00:41:29.349 two whole minutes. All right. Now I'm going to 00:41:29.349 --> 00:41:32.130 walk out of the house and close the door. And 00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:34.599 then they're like, man. They didn't stay. So 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:36.559 also, I think one thing that might be confusing 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.719 for people is I keep referencing place a lot, 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.940 even though this is a sit down episode. But I 00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:45.380 use place for sitting down because a dog is always 00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:47.719 usually going to be more comfortable on their 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.260 place. Most dogs already have a place, whether 00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:52.760 it's a soft one, whether it's a rug, whatever. 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.440 But most dogs, when you're starting sitting down, 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.400 if you start on like a hardwood floor or some 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.429 like weird. material underneath them you're gonna 00:42:03.429 --> 00:42:06.409 have a lot harder time than you're going to have 00:42:06.409 --> 00:42:09.090 than if you choose their place bed where they're 00:42:09.090 --> 00:42:12.989 used to already sitting and and laying down usually 00:42:12.989 --> 00:42:17.909 yeah uh one more question i wrote down was why 00:42:17.909 --> 00:42:21.769 do dogs break before their release and how do 00:42:21.769 --> 00:42:24.349 you fix that the number one reason that they 00:42:24.349 --> 00:42:26.889 break before the release is because you release 00:42:26.889 --> 00:42:31.949 them at random times across the room yeah so 00:42:31.949 --> 00:42:35.530 what that means is i've got my dog in a stay 00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:41.070 or or an implied stay sit a down right and let's 00:42:41.070 --> 00:42:44.409 let's get away from brianna's place bed uh that's 00:42:44.409 --> 00:42:46.409 over there in the corner and we'll just say that 00:42:46.409 --> 00:42:48.869 they're just in a down in the middle of the room 00:42:48.869 --> 00:42:51.829 and they're just laying there they're being good 00:42:51.829 --> 00:42:57.440 but i'm i've increased my distance All the way 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:01.400 across the room. And then I'm like, free. And 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.840 then they pop up and they get super excited and 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.940 they run to you to get their treat. Okay. So 00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:11.260 what I just did there was I patterned the concept 00:43:11.260 --> 00:43:15.079 that that dog should always be paying attention 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:19.880 and listening for that release. Well, some people 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:21.260 would say, well, that's good. That's exactly 00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:25.170 what I want. Okay. I understand. But there are 00:43:25.170 --> 00:43:28.369 other words in the English language that sound 00:43:28.369 --> 00:43:34.610 the same. If you're over there and you say something, 00:43:34.670 --> 00:43:39.769 something, something, something three, when the 00:43:39.769 --> 00:43:44.190 dog is listening for free, high likelihood that 00:43:44.190 --> 00:43:48.869 they're going to come running. Second issue is 00:43:48.869 --> 00:43:52.909 that sometimes a dog will start making it up 00:43:52.909 --> 00:43:56.389 in their head. Being like, I think they released 00:43:56.389 --> 00:44:01.650 me. And then tear off trying to come to you and 00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:04.170 get a treat. And you're like, I didn't say any 00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:07.789 of that. So instead of patterning that, that's 00:44:07.789 --> 00:44:10.769 where that contact release comes into play. And 00:44:10.769 --> 00:44:13.630 so if you have a dog that's auto -releasing themselves 00:44:13.630 --> 00:44:19.730 regularly, then I would recommend that you teach 00:44:19.730 --> 00:44:23.079 them a contact release. Or at least a proximity 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.300 release. Yeah. Where you always walk towards 00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:29.460 them and get within one arm's distance before 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:37.599 you release them. All right. The last point. 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.340 Duration for commands in real life. How do we 00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:49.179 bring it all together? So when we're talking 00:44:49.179 --> 00:44:54.110 about building real. like useful structure in 00:44:54.110 --> 00:44:59.110 the house we've got to not just use sit and down 00:44:59.110 --> 00:45:02.789 as party tricks but we've got to use it to actually 00:45:02.789 --> 00:45:06.250 teach the dog some emotional regulation yep and 00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:10.889 some impulse control how do we do that threshold 00:45:10.889 --> 00:45:14.690 manners threshold manners so right we use sit 00:45:14.690 --> 00:45:17.650 at the door that is a great one right off the 00:45:17.650 --> 00:45:20.860 bat yeah we can use sit Anytime we go through 00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:26.559 a door, we sit, we wait, we ask for access. We 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:34.079 wait for that thumbs up. The dog waits. So I 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.039 go to the door. Before I even open the door, 00:45:37.179 --> 00:45:42.099 I ask for a sit, and then I just wait. When the 00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:47.480 dog sits, then I open the door. Not before. Yeah, 00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:54.590 never before. And then... Go ahead. Oh, I was 00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:58.130 going to move on unless you're ready. Okay. Use 00:45:58.130 --> 00:46:01.429 down during meals or downtime to promote calmness 00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:04.230 around the house. Down during meals is a big 00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.210 one because I know a lot of dogs that beg for 00:46:06.210 --> 00:46:08.849 dinner. Right. As soon as you whip out yours. 00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:14.800 So giving them... a place to down or some time 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.099 to lay down gives them the indication that it's 00:46:18.099 --> 00:46:21.900 just time to relax. So instead of pacing around 00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:26.260 or rubbing up against somebody or barking at 00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:29.480 you or pawing at you, get the dog into a down 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.659 and teach them that that's where they, where 00:46:31.659 --> 00:46:33.860 they need to be when you're at the kitchen table. 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:40.710 Yeah. And we can build. Once we've got some of 00:46:40.710 --> 00:46:43.289 that duration, we can use the stay or that implied 00:46:43.289 --> 00:46:48.789 stay with any of those commands to elongate that 00:46:48.789 --> 00:46:52.250 impulse control. So then instead of just sitting 00:46:52.250 --> 00:46:56.530 at the door until I open it, it's sitting at 00:46:56.530 --> 00:46:59.570 the door until I walk through the threshold and 00:46:59.570 --> 00:47:03.730 then invite the dog. And then it's sit at the 00:47:03.730 --> 00:47:06.369 door until I walk through the door and stand 00:47:06.369 --> 00:47:09.070 on the other side for a little while. Same thing 00:47:09.070 --> 00:47:14.010 with the down. Then they're holding it down while 00:47:14.010 --> 00:47:16.969 you're eating and you get through the whole meal. 00:47:17.090 --> 00:47:19.329 We're just increasing that duration regardless. 00:47:19.630 --> 00:47:24.170 But we want to use that duration or duration 00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:27.130 and stay are synonymous. They're the same thing. 00:47:28.110 --> 00:47:30.690 so we want to use that duration we want to use 00:47:30.690 --> 00:47:38.269 that stay as a tool to also teach a dog that 00:47:38.269 --> 00:47:42.110 you're not going to forget about them so just 00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:45.170 placing your dog in a stay until eventually they 00:47:45.170 --> 00:47:49.469 break is shooting yourself in the foot yeah you've 00:47:49.469 --> 00:47:54.429 got to build it slowly And if you get to the 00:47:54.429 --> 00:47:57.230 point where you're like, oh man, they can't go 00:47:57.230 --> 00:48:00.170 past this point, then you have to slow down and 00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:02.769 you have to build it from there. You can't just 00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:09.250 be like, it's the uninterrupted stay that's important. 00:48:09.449 --> 00:48:14.849 And as you build that duration, you going back 00:48:14.849 --> 00:48:18.050 and showing your dog that like, hey, I didn't 00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:21.460 forget about you. Now you can get up. Let's go. 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.659 And throwing a party, not just, not just being 00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:27.599 calm about it, but really throwing that party 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.300 is super important. Yeah. Because otherwise your 00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:34.119 dog's like, well, why did I hang out here for 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:39.019 the last 40 minutes or whatever it is you want 00:48:39.019 --> 00:48:43.239 to, you want to teach your dog that predictability 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.139 that you're going to come back. There's going 00:48:45.139 --> 00:48:47.320 to be a reward. There's going to be something 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:53.030 worthwhile here. Yeah. All right. Then we can 00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:56.489 integrate our short little daily sessions and 00:48:56.489 --> 00:49:01.730 we want to prevent regression. Yeah. We have 00:49:01.730 --> 00:49:05.190 to maintain consistency. Dog training is all 00:49:05.190 --> 00:49:08.889 about consistency. And with that consistency, 00:49:08.969 --> 00:49:13.769 we've got to build in those short little refresher 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:17.530 sessions. Yeah. So that we don't go backwards 00:49:17.530 --> 00:49:22.199 and lose. or sharpness on those skills. It's 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.400 the only way you're going to make progress. Lastly, 00:49:25.539 --> 00:49:30.320 we want to reward compliance, especially calm 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:37.159 compliance, rather than simply avoiding breaking 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:44.199 the position. When a dog is exhibiting or showing 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:50.050 that they want or that they're offering a behavior 00:49:50.050 --> 00:49:58.789 that is far and above uh just us telling the 00:49:58.789 --> 00:50:01.989 dog what to do so when they offer that behavior 00:50:01.989 --> 00:50:07.289 that you have wanted them to do that's the best 00:50:07.289 --> 00:50:09.309 party that you gotta throw you've got it you've 00:50:09.309 --> 00:50:16.170 got to go 10x yep because if you don't it won't 00:50:16.170 --> 00:50:19.309 explain to the dog what you're really trying 00:50:19.309 --> 00:50:22.989 to accomplish here it's guidance is good leadership 00:50:22.989 --> 00:50:27.150 is great but when they do it on their own that's 00:50:27.150 --> 00:50:30.489 even better so don't miss out on those opportunities 00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:34.909 to throw that party and or shape their behavior 00:50:34.909 --> 00:50:38.409 by rewarding them giving them food or a treat 00:50:38.409 --> 00:50:40.909 or a bone or something like that when they offer 00:50:40.909 --> 00:50:46.530 that behavior all right what What other type 00:50:46.530 --> 00:50:50.809 of real life situations does sit down and duration 00:50:50.809 --> 00:50:54.489 come into play? Taking your dog out in public. 00:50:55.130 --> 00:50:57.510 Yeah. When you take your dog out in public, if 00:50:57.510 --> 00:51:00.670 your dog is just like wandering around you, one, 00:51:00.849 --> 00:51:05.510 it's probably anxious. And two, somebody is probably 00:51:05.510 --> 00:51:07.489 going to reach out and touch it without asking 00:51:07.489 --> 00:51:09.769 because that's the number one thing people will 00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:12.349 do if you don't have your dog. People love to 00:51:12.349 --> 00:51:16.630 pet random dogs. Right near you. Um, but if you're 00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:18.969 like taking your dog out somewhere to eat, right, 00:51:19.090 --> 00:51:22.130 your dog should be able to go into a down and 00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:24.989 stay in a down for you to eat a meal. Like that's 00:51:24.989 --> 00:51:27.050 one of the things that we do with our dogs. A 00:51:27.050 --> 00:51:30.329 lot of the times, if one of the owner's goals 00:51:30.329 --> 00:51:34.469 is to take the dog out in public, um, is to go 00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:36.869 places with the dog and eat a meal with them 00:51:36.869 --> 00:51:40.110 like they're, you know, their parents would. 00:51:40.750 --> 00:51:44.500 Um, And let them know that they need to hold 00:51:44.500 --> 00:51:48.300 that down the entire time. Obviously, making 00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:50.079 sure your dog goes to the bathroom and everything 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.780 beforehand is a big thing that we teach at one 00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:58.119 of our lessons. But that's one of the big things 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:03.639 where it's really important to have. Yeah. The 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.500 last question I had written down talks about 00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:09.940 what's the difference between a dog that just 00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:13.989 obeys commands versus a dog that truly understands 00:52:13.989 --> 00:52:19.090 duration and uh to answer that question i think 00:52:19.090 --> 00:52:22.550 that that concept of emotional regulation and 00:52:22.550 --> 00:52:25.829 impulse control is what differentiates that so 00:52:25.829 --> 00:52:31.949 a dog that obeys is a dog that you told to lay 00:52:31.949 --> 00:52:35.429 down and they are laying down but they are ready 00:52:35.429 --> 00:52:39.800 to pop up At any moment, they are going to pop 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:41.820 up out of there. They are ready. They are just 00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:45.019 waiting for you to say free and I'm ready to 00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:48.599 go. A dog that you put into a down who understands 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:52.960 duration and you give them that continuation, 00:52:53.539 --> 00:52:56.639 a lot of times you'll see them kind of like roll 00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.019 that hip, right? They roll that hip and they're 00:52:59.019 --> 00:53:00.840 like, all right, I might be here for a minute. 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.679 I'm going to get comfortable. And they regulate 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:09.190 their own emotions. control their own thoughts 00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:13.389 they're like okay i'm just gonna relax yeah i'm 00:53:13.389 --> 00:53:18.389 just gonna turn off that is the value of duration 00:53:18.389 --> 00:53:20.849 and that's really the end state that's the goal 00:53:20.849 --> 00:53:24.869 yeah all right so uh before we hit that hour 00:53:24.869 --> 00:53:28.269 mark we're at like 55 minutes or so i'm gonna 00:53:28.269 --> 00:53:33.170 open it up for questions uh we don't have many 00:53:33.170 --> 00:53:37.909 tuned in tonight uh due to the Cell phone disruption 00:53:37.909 --> 00:53:41.909 issue here, but we will open it up here for a 00:53:41.909 --> 00:53:45.670 couple for a minute and see if anybody has any 00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:48.130 questions. Right. My phone still doesn't work. 00:53:48.170 --> 00:53:53.670 It's been all day. Right. My primary or my personal 00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:56.409 cell phone works and my business line is dead. 00:53:58.150 --> 00:54:07.599 Don't know why. No questions, no questions. No 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.679 whammies, no whammies. That was a good show. 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:15.800 Right. That was a good show. I don't know that 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.980 good is the right... It was slightly entertaining. 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.199 I used to like it back in the day. The new version 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:26.800 is not as good. All right. Then we will... No 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:31.039 questions tonight. We will kind of wrap it up 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.199 there. The listener projects. So, number one. 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.000 10 second rule. Ask your dog for a sit or down 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.900 and hold that position for 10 seconds. Let me 00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:45.940 make sure I got, yep. So hold that position. 00:54:46.500 --> 00:54:49.980 Your goal is 10 seconds at the beginning. Then 00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:54.440 11, 12, 13, 14, right? We add duration. But the 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:58.239 goal here for this project is just 10 seconds. 00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:02.940 Mark with something, your marker words, that. 00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:05.750 Build that continuation marker and give those 00:55:05.750 --> 00:55:09.090 rewards so that you can kind of accrue that time. 00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:13.730 And then release. We release with free and keep 00:55:13.730 --> 00:55:19.010 the early reps upbeat and super fun. Repeat that 00:55:19.010 --> 00:55:22.809 four or five times every day and see what kind 00:55:22.809 --> 00:55:25.530 of progress you can make. Listener project number 00:55:25.530 --> 00:55:31.820 two. Down stay with movement. So the movement 00:55:31.820 --> 00:55:35.840 we're talking about is yours. Put your dog into 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.099 a down. And then take two quiet steps backward. 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:42.980 Then return to your dog. Come back to him. And 00:55:42.980 --> 00:55:48.579 then mark that nice, calm holding of that down 00:55:48.579 --> 00:55:55.139 with yes and reward. Or you can do the opposite 00:55:55.139 --> 00:55:58.539 where you can go, you can touch them, right? 00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:02.280 A little. Tap on the head and go free. And then 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:05.300 you can back up away from your dog, let them 00:56:05.300 --> 00:56:07.960 pop up and be super excited to run to you and 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:11.139 get that reward. Gradually increase your steps 00:56:11.139 --> 00:56:14.239 over the week in order to build that confidence. 00:56:14.860 --> 00:56:19.579 All right. We got a, I was going to say short 00:56:19.579 --> 00:56:22.820 and sweet, but it was still like 57 minutes. 00:56:24.489 --> 00:56:27.130 tonight that is all we got for you we talked 00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:34.150 about sit down stay both implied and uh um intentional 00:56:34.150 --> 00:56:40.630 i'm trying to see i don't have anything else 00:56:40.630 --> 00:56:45.550 to add here so i'm gonna say good night for tonight 00:56:45.550 --> 00:56:48.630 thank you for tuning in i appreciate it if you 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.760 enjoy listening to us, uh, come at you every 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.719 week with some random dog training, uh, stuff. 00:56:57.300 --> 00:57:01.599 I'd love for you to give us a rating on Apple 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:06.340 podcasts or on Spotify podcasts or Amazon podcasts 00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:08.619 or all sorts of, we're on all of the different 00:57:08.619 --> 00:57:13.000 networks. Uh, the RSS feeds are great for that. 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:18.800 Um, if, uh, We're always trying to get better, 00:57:18.900 --> 00:57:23.579 right? I am not a professional podcaster by any 00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:25.280 stretch. We're always trying to get better. So 00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.800 if you've got a comment, leave us a comment. 00:57:27.860 --> 00:57:30.139 Leave us a like. Let us know how we're doing 00:57:30.139 --> 00:57:33.199 and how we can improve. All right. Thanks, everybody. 00:57:33.579 --> 00:57:34.099 Good night.