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Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to

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raising better dogs. My name is Ryan, and I'll

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be your host for this journey. I've got my trusty

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co -host here, Brianna. Hello. And together,

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we're bringing you real -world training insights

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built on leadership, structure, and proven methods.

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line in one take with live unscripted questions

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and answers. At the end of the day, this podcast

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is a lot more than just teaching your dog to

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sit or stay. It's about... Building trust, creating

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calmness, and becoming the kind of leader your

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dog truly needs. We do that with our three pillar

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method of trust, obey, and perform. Together,

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we'll show you how these three pillars shape

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every step of training. Thanks for being here.

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Let's get started. Episode six, accountability

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and tools, collars, leashes, and when to use

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them. Welcome to Pawprint Academy. Tonight, we're

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going to be talking about accountability and

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the ways that we can keep it. So when we are

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training a dog, if at any point you lose accountability,

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a lot of many, many dogs, they're very, very

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smart. And they're like, I don't think you're

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going to actually follow through with this. And

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so that is what we're talking about tonight.

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That is the concept of losing or keeping accountability.

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When a dog senses that you don't have accountability,

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immediately the conversation changes. Yep. And

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now it's, do I really want to do that? Right.

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Or... Or am I having more fun over here? Right,

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right. This squirrel is pretty awesome over here.

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The main concept tonight is that tools don't

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train dogs. Leaders do. But the right tool provides

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clear communication and keeps fair accountability

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in the mix. So when fit correctly, What did I

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write down here? I don't give myself enough credit

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here. And so sometimes I look at my notes and

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my outline and I try to read it off and I'm like,

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oh, I messed that up. But actually, excuse me.

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This is what happens when you try to record these

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in one take. So fit it correctly, condition it

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thoughtfully. And pair it with consistent marker

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words. And then you have a tool that will do

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the job. Yep. And do the job in a fair and ethical

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manner. Yeah. So let's address the elephant in

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the room before we start here. Because when anybody

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starts talking about tools, there is an entire,

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I guess, group. of individuals that will immediately

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get very excited one way or another. So there

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is a very big movement of force -free trainers.

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There's a very big movement of positive only

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trainers. And there's absolutely nothing wrong

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with that. And I would consider myself and all

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of my trainers to be reward -based balance trainers.

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But the point is to be reward -based. And I think

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that that aligns with everyone. When you're using

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rewards to get the most result or to get the

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compliance of an animal, I don't think that there's

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too many people that would argue that a rewards

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-based program Works the best. Right. But there

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is a definitive group of dogs that at some point

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are going to not respond only to treats. Yeah.

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Or food. For sure. Or toys or whatever. And at

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that point, your hands can be tied. And offering

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them more food doesn't always get through on

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the communication paradigm or the little triangle.

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So what we're not going to discuss today is the

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ethical weight of using tools. If tools are not

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on your... I guess in, in your repertoire or

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you don't believe that they, they can be used

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the right way or, or a good way or an ethical

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way or all of that. We're not, we're not going

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to go down that road with here tonight. So I

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just want to address that upfront. What we are

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going to do is we're going to talk about how

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to use tools to use the absolute relationship

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between you and your dog to build your relationship

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with your dog to build communication with your

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dog and to increase your relationship and and

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and also the dog's desire to listen to you that

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doesn't come from forcing the dog to do something

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it comes from encouraging the dog I can sit here

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and I can encourage you to leave the room without

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any bit of force. These do not have to be exclusive

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concepts. So now that we've got that out of the

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way, when we select a tool, we want to do it

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based on the dog and the job. And then we want

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to fit it properly, we want to use it properly,

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and we want to understand the fit and the function

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of each individual tool. Now, usually when we

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talk about tools for dogs, I like to explain

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that there is a line of communication from you,

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owner, to the dog. And that is the leash. Now,

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there's only so many kinds of leashes that can...

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Well, so the actual leash part, the line that

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goes from you to your dog, you could dress it

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up a lot of different ways, but at the end of

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the day, it's just a line from you to your dog.

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But what is perceived on the dog side is how,

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based on the tool and the fit of it, they're

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going to get a lot of different information.

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Now we talk about this hierarchy of the amount

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of information they're going to get and the amount

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of perception that they're going to be able to

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glean from any bit of pressure that you put on

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that leash or that they put on that leash is

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going to be, it's kind of structured. And so

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at the very, very bottom, the least amount of

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perception the dog's going to get out of any

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of these tools is going to be a harness. And

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the harness, It is that way because the amount

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of pressure that you put on the harness is spread

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out over all the surfaces of the harness. That's

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the most surface area on the dog's body. And

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it's spread out over the dog. And so you have

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to put a significantly more or a significantly

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increased amount of pressure on that leash to

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let the dog feel that pressure. Whereas a collar

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is around the neck. There's a lot more nerve

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endings around the neck than just like around

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the chest of the dog. And so you should be able

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to get more information to the dog with less

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pressure with a collar than a harness. And so

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the next step up from harness, harness is at

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the bottom. The next step up is usually a flat

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collar. You want to talk about flat collars versus

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martingales? Yeah. So a flat collar is the typical

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collar that you see everybody have on their dog.

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I'm always a big supporter of like leave a flat

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collar on your dog at all times. That's like

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where their ID tags can go. It's there in case

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of emergency collar. Put your Apple tag on it,

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tracker, whatever you want to do with the flat

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collar. A martingale is a flat collar. combined

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with a slip collar. So it basically has a loop

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in the backside of it that cinches when the dog

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pulls, so it gets tighter. And when they stop

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pulling, it loosens back up automatically on

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its own and relieves the pressure from the dog.

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So essentially they're the same thing, just one

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has a loop in the back that can tighten and loosen,

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whereas the flat collar is just one size, whatever

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you tighten it down to. Yep. And so I tend to

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shy away from collars. Stand by. I'm going to

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mute some of these. So I tend to stay away from

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collars that slip over the dog's face. Maybe

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your pet dog will allow you to do that. Some

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dogs don't like it. Some dogs don't care. But

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as a trainer, I typically always go for collars

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that will just unbuckle and go around the neck.

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Martingale collars usually have to slip over

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the dog's face. Yeah, head, right. You're staring

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at me like. I was like, I don't know what word

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he's going for there. I think it's just the body

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part. But every collar is different, right? So

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then we got a slip lead. So the next step up

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from flat collar. Then martingale collar because

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it uses the flat collar concept but then has

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a martingale loop on it and that just cinches

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it down just like Bree said. So the next step

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up in levels of communication is going to be

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a slip lead. So for slip leads, this is a leash

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that just has like a free floating ring on the

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leash and you can... You'll move the line around

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the dog's neck and then clip it to the free -floating

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ring, and then that way it is able to get tighter

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or looser based on the pressure that you give

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the animal. Right, and they're typically a thinner,

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circular style. It's not flat like a flat collar

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or a martingale. They're typically thinner on

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the thinner side. You can find some that are

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thicker. They kind of make all different. sizes

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of them but you'll see we typically use the thinner

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ones because again it comes down to communication

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the thickness of the leash can also communicate

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or affect the communication that you're giving

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the dog if there's a bunch of like bungee action

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going on on that slip lead which I know we've

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previously tried like amazon brand slip leads

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and things like that and they have a ton of like

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stretch in them and if the if it's stretching

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the dog's getting like static in the communication

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essentially. Right. So after a slip lead, then

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we can go up a little further and I would put

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probably like a star mark color. just above that.

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So a star mark collar is a plastic collar. Some

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people will call it like a plastic prong collar,

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but it has rounded raised ridges on the inside

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and it has a martingale loop on the back. And

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so it kind of combines a couple of different

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concepts of the different collars so that it

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circumferentially tightens with the martingale

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loop. And that way your inputs on the leash actually

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they don't put as much pressure on the front

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of the dog's neck. Right. And so it takes pressure

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off of the dog's airway. The other thing that

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it does is because of those raised rounded ridges,

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it contacts about. six to nine different places

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like around the neck, uh, depending on how many

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links are in it. And that one, it protects the

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airway and two, it mimics the same type of feeling

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or proprioception that the dog would feel when

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a mother dog corrects a puppy. right when a dog

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a mother dog corrects a little puppy they're

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going to like put their mouth around the snout

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of the dog or around the side of the neck and

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hold the dog right a lot of times they just go

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and then they hold them until the dog calms down

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until the puppy calms down and then they release

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well we can mimic that feeling with one of those

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collars um and so A lot of times what you see

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is a big puller. And then the last point before

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I move on is that it is a tool that automatically

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takes away the exciting, self -gratifying feeling

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of pulling against something. Because it tightens

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around the neck, they're not just pulling against

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a single point of pressure. And that's really,

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really important because dogs generally enjoy

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pulling games. That's why tug toys are one of

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the number one sellers across the nation and

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have always been, right? Dogs love to play tug

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of some sort. And so there's thousands of different

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toys that are all about tug. Okay. So why is

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it confusing when we go out? to walk and the

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dog wants to pull to get to something and they

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feel that pressure and then they pull through

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the pressure and then they get to where they're

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trying to go. Right. That's not confusing at

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all. It makes total sense why that's going to

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be very fun and gratifying. Yeah. So the dog

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is going to keep doing it. Yep. So the star mark

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collar or plastic prong is going to help limit

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that. And then finally, I think at the top end

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for really, really strong pullers, we use or

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could use or could recommend a metal prong collar.

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Now, a metal prong collar is one of those collars

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that looks awful. You look at it, and if you

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don't understand it, that thing looks like a

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torture device. You're like, oh my gosh. But

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if you understand it and you look at it and you

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break it down, It is not. And all of the prongs

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are very highly polished. So we only use one

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brand of prong collar, and that's a Herm Springer.

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And we just have found that the Herm Springer

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brand, it's made in Germany, and it comes pretty

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well polished. All of the little tips are very,

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very highly polished. So they're nice and smooth.

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So I can rub it on my neck, and I don't get any

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abrasions or anything like that. Also, I found

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that some pet stores sell like a cheaper version

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of it where the prongs are not as highly polished.

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And I want to remain as highly ethical as I can

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while accomplishing the goal of what we're doing.

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And so I will spend the extra money on the Herm

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Springer in order to get a solid product there.

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Um, but these collars, you can look it up on,

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uh, YouTube, Amazon, something like that. Um,

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we don't have any relation or sponsorship with

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any of this stuff. Um, but the metal prong is

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a, um, a device that connects each one of the

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links can connect or disconnect. So you can make

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it bigger or smaller. And all of those prongs

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interact with the neck the same way that the

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star mark does that the same way that I explained

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it. Also has a metal chain martingale loop in

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the back. And usually on a rotating D ring so

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that you can connect the leash. And regardless

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of which direction the dog spins or turns, the

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leash doesn't get spun around and tangled. Yeah.

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So now that we've kind of talked about all of

00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:10.400
those collars, let's talk about. The length of

00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:19.900
the leash. So usually we most owners like a four

00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:24.000
or six foot leash. We use a four to six foot

00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:25.980
leash for most of our training and most of the

00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:31.890
things that we do. And I've had. the a specific

00:19:31.890 --> 00:19:36.190
length of 11 feet made specially for for us so

00:19:36.190 --> 00:19:40.109
i always played with 10 foot leashes and felt

00:19:40.109 --> 00:19:42.269
like they were just a little short and 15 foot

00:19:42.269 --> 00:19:45.269
leashes seemed just a little bit big um and i

00:19:45.269 --> 00:19:47.630
was going to get some some 12s but i found these

00:19:47.630 --> 00:19:52.190
11s and they work great for us so um we like

00:19:52.190 --> 00:19:58.230
the long lines when we start working on a hard

00:19:58.230 --> 00:20:01.539
pulling dog And I like the long line because

00:20:01.539 --> 00:20:08.500
I want the dog to be kind of by themself when

00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:12.559
they feel the tightness of the leash. I don't

00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:17.140
want the dog to just relate the tightness to

00:20:17.140 --> 00:20:19.680
me. I don't want the dog to look up at me and

00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.240
be like, hey, why are you pulling on my leash?

00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:27.079
Because honestly, I'm not. I am letting them

00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:31.440
go. And when they get away from me, they're pulling

00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.440
on the leash. So I really want them to see and

00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.099
feel and understand that. And if I'm standing

00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:39.960
right next to them and they constantly think

00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.700
that I'm just hassling them, well then that puts

00:20:42.700 --> 00:20:45.480
strain on our relationship. And so I like a long

00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.380
line to be able to very clearly explain to the

00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:52.799
dog that, hey, far away from me is no fun because

00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.680
that's where you feel pressure. And close to

00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.960
me is good because you're always on a loose leash.

00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:03.299
Yep. All right. Anything to add on all of that?

00:21:04.099 --> 00:21:06.900
I don't think so. Those were all really good

00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:12.619
topics. I think people really go for short leashes

00:21:12.619 --> 00:21:15.180
when they're teaching their dogs to walk close

00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:18.039
to them or working on recall and things like

00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.799
that. And I really do want... everybody to to

00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.819
hear and understand like just try the long line

00:21:25.819 --> 00:21:27.599
and i promise you you're gonna see your dog like

00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.319
excel way faster than you trying to hold them

00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.779
right next to you on on your side yeah yeah for

00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:38.579
sure uh even with reactive dogs i i find it so

00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:41.539
much more clear to them when they're able to

00:21:41.539 --> 00:21:45.180
take off and go just a few feet away from you

00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.430
and then they get tightness on the leash, it

00:21:48.430 --> 00:21:50.789
is a very different experience for them than

00:21:50.789 --> 00:21:54.109
me choking up on the leash because I see a dog

00:21:54.109 --> 00:21:55.750
coming. I know they're going to blow up, so I'm

00:21:55.750 --> 00:21:59.009
preemptively choking up on the leash. That's

00:21:59.009 --> 00:22:04.369
oftentimes not the right call. Okay, the last

00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:07.569
management tool that I want to bring up right

00:22:07.569 --> 00:22:12.670
now is a crate. I believe very, very strongly,

00:22:12.750 --> 00:22:17.190
and in my experience, I believe that a crate

00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:22.890
is a excellent tool when you are trying to train

00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:27.390
your dog. Because dogs need structure. And we

00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:29.569
have talked about this over and over and over

00:22:29.569 --> 00:22:32.650
and over. Dogs have to have structure. And a

00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:35.549
crate helps to build that foundational structure.

00:22:36.589 --> 00:22:39.970
Yeah. It gives you an opportunity to put the

00:22:39.970 --> 00:22:48.079
dog away where they cannot fit. let's talk about

00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:55.259
it this way. Confinement is a training tool and

00:22:55.259 --> 00:22:59.940
it's, it's almost force free completely. Yeah.

00:23:00.019 --> 00:23:03.960
If you, if your dog enjoys or goes in and out

00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:05.799
of a crate because you have trained them to do

00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:10.480
that, you now have a huge leg up on someone who

00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.779
doesn't use a crate. And this is why when you're

00:23:13.779 --> 00:23:18.640
about to do training, you put the dog, Into confinement.

00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.980
You put them into their crate. You give them

00:23:21.980 --> 00:23:26.339
about 10 or 15 minutes. To be in there. And then.

00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:30.259
You let the dog out. But not out. Let's say you

00:23:30.259 --> 00:23:31.960
have a big backyard or something like that. You

00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.039
don't just let them out and then out into the

00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.720
yard. You let them out. And you go right into

00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.720
training. Yeah. So what you've done is you've

00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:46.829
gone from. From complete confinement. To. Teamwork.

00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:50.210
You two are working together and you're training

00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:52.210
and you're doing it. It's reward based. You're

00:23:52.210 --> 00:23:54.849
feeding the dog. You're rewarding the dog. You're

00:23:54.849 --> 00:23:59.230
praising the dog. It's a fun experience. So the

00:23:59.230 --> 00:24:03.470
dog goes, hmm, as soon as you let me out, then

00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:08.490
we worked together. That was fun. Yeah. And then

00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:13.250
once that's all done. then you let them outside

00:24:13.250 --> 00:24:17.670
then you let them okay break or free or whatever

00:24:17.670 --> 00:24:21.829
it is then you give them complete freedom what

00:24:21.829 --> 00:24:24.950
so many people do is they take their dog and

00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:28.789
they let them outside first and they have complete

00:24:28.789 --> 00:24:31.789
freedom and then they're like cool i'm gonna

00:24:31.789 --> 00:24:35.210
work with you while you're outside hey come sit

00:24:35.210 --> 00:24:40.220
down All of these things. Now you're limiting

00:24:40.220 --> 00:24:45.200
the dog's freedom in a time when they could be

00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.779
free, but instead they are having to listen to

00:24:47.779 --> 00:24:51.900
you. That is a downgrade on the freedom scale.

00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:57.200
But if you don't have a crate at all, they're

00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.119
going from freedom inside the house to suddenly

00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.400
having to listen to you. So a crate is an absolutely

00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.470
awesome tool. for you to build a step -by -step,

00:25:10.630 --> 00:25:19.390
like the ability to, please jump in. I am at

00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:22.329
a loss for words today. What am I trying to say?

00:25:22.450 --> 00:25:25.329
The building blocks. Yeah, it gives you the ability

00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:29.569
to build on the freedoms that the dogs get. So

00:25:29.569 --> 00:25:33.430
it goes from most restrictive to less restrictive

00:25:33.430 --> 00:25:37.619
to ultimate freedom. But you need to go in that

00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.519
order. So a dog doesn't get to go just from a

00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.220
crate to off leash outside to then leashing them

00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.299
to do a training session, right? Because the

00:25:46.299 --> 00:25:48.059
dog is not going to have a fun time doing that.

00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.539
It's not going to go, well, you brought me inside

00:25:50.539 --> 00:25:54.720
from my ultimate play space outside and now you've

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:56.119
put me on a leash and you want me to like do

00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.740
all these things with you. So I just want people

00:26:00.740 --> 00:26:03.680
to look at the order in which they do things

00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.950
and understand that. The dog's brain is wired

00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:11.990
that way. If you go from freedom to confinement,

00:26:12.109 --> 00:26:14.690
the dog is not going to be happy about that.

00:26:15.009 --> 00:26:21.769
Yeah. All right. So what fit mistake do we most

00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:26.809
often see with dogs that either come to like

00:26:26.809 --> 00:26:32.549
our group classes or first time like lessons?

00:26:32.829 --> 00:26:36.220
What do you often? 100 % collar. collar fitting

00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:39.920
and how tight it is yeah some people have their

00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.660
collars to where the dog can slip out of it and

00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:44.279
that is the most nerve -wracking thing for me

00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.480
that i see and immediately just puts me on edge

00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.299
because it takes i've seen i've seen it happen

00:26:50.299 --> 00:26:56.549
with a dog on like day one Where it's like, no,

00:26:56.589 --> 00:26:58.210
no, I don't know who you are. Get away from me.

00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:00.670
It always happens with fearful dogs, right? They

00:27:00.670 --> 00:27:03.109
get left with somebody and they're like, nope,

00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:07.269
and they backpedal. And it takes one good backpedal

00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:10.829
and one loop too small for the dog to be out

00:27:10.829 --> 00:27:16.109
of a collar and loose. How do you measure a collar?

00:27:17.089 --> 00:27:20.750
I give it like two to three fingers. And that's

00:27:20.750 --> 00:27:25.589
plenty of room. for for them to breathe and function

00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:28.750
at a normal level it's not going to bother them

00:27:28.750 --> 00:27:30.890
it's not going to affect them in any way almost

00:27:30.890 --> 00:27:34.750
almost all the time when when we take in a dog

00:27:34.750 --> 00:27:38.029
or we have our we see dogs at like our group

00:27:38.029 --> 00:27:41.410
class yeah and they will almost inevitably have

00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:47.910
a loose collar yeah and it's it's not a It's

00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:51.329
not a judgment. Like you want your dog to be

00:27:51.329 --> 00:27:53.710
comfortable. Yeah. I totally understand that.

00:27:53.809 --> 00:27:57.490
You don't, and no owner wants to choke their

00:27:57.490 --> 00:28:02.950
dog. Right. So the thought process is either

00:28:02.950 --> 00:28:05.710
I will loosen their collar so that they don't

00:28:05.710 --> 00:28:07.980
choke. Mm -hmm. But unfortunately, they're just

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:10.619
going to pull just as hard. It doesn't matter,

00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.039
right? They're still going to choke themselves

00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:14.799
on that. And so then we try to correct that by

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.819
putting them in a harness because I don't want

00:28:16.819 --> 00:28:20.079
my dog to choke. But when we put them in a harness

00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.900
because I don't want the dog to choke, nothing

00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:26.700
changes with the education on the dog side. Right.

00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:31.319
And we enable them to pull more comfortably.

00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:35.009
Yep. And so then the pulling just either stays

00:28:35.009 --> 00:28:39.289
the same or even worse. It gets worse. All right.

00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:44.509
And when we're training dogs, what would be your

00:28:44.509 --> 00:28:47.410
process for deciding between a prong collar,

00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:54.990
a slip lead, or a different tool? So it really

00:28:54.990 --> 00:28:58.569
depends, right? So it depends on what I'm doing.

00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:01.569
It depends on the dog. So when a dog first comes

00:29:01.569 --> 00:29:06.569
to us, If typically we see a dog just like only

00:29:06.569 --> 00:29:09.210
has worn a harness or a flat collar, that's typically

00:29:09.210 --> 00:29:13.230
a Martingale is probably the top of what we see

00:29:13.230 --> 00:29:16.329
communication wise from an everyday average dog

00:29:16.329 --> 00:29:19.150
owner, right? They usually go from harness to

00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:21.710
flat collar to Martingale and that's where typically

00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:26.329
it caps. If they've had any experience with collars

00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:28.710
and things like that, then they may have converted

00:29:28.710 --> 00:29:32.339
to a Herm Springer. or a prong collar of some

00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:37.059
sort hopefully at least a hermsbringer um so

00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:40.220
when i start off with the dog i typically always

00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:42.960
i fall into a slip lead almost immediately because

00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.920
i don't start with a whole lot of structure for

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.720
the dog i just want the dog to follow along with

00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.400
me on the end of that 11 foot long line right

00:29:53.690 --> 00:29:55.450
So I'm not pressuring the dog. You don't start

00:29:55.450 --> 00:29:57.750
with a heel. Right. You don't start with a, hey,

00:29:57.789 --> 00:30:01.269
walk on my hip. Right. Not at all. No. You just

00:30:01.269 --> 00:30:05.309
want the dog to walk on the line somewhere. Right.

00:30:05.349 --> 00:30:07.750
Somewhere. And if the dog is incessantly pulling,

00:30:07.910 --> 00:30:10.450
then I just do turnarounds and turnarounds and

00:30:10.450 --> 00:30:12.670
turnarounds. And we'll just end up walking in

00:30:12.670 --> 00:30:16.890
somewhat of a circle. Yeah. So typically I will

00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:19.569
always, no matter the dog, kind of start with

00:30:19.569 --> 00:30:22.410
a slip lead because there's no danger there.

00:30:22.549 --> 00:30:25.029
It's just guidance at that point. I'm not offering

00:30:25.029 --> 00:30:27.750
any sort of correction. For super aggressive

00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:30.690
pullers or dogs that are already familiar with

00:30:30.690 --> 00:30:34.769
prong collars, sometimes I will go there rather

00:30:34.769 --> 00:30:38.029
quickly depending. Like I know we've had one

00:30:38.029 --> 00:30:41.000
dog before that... the owners already walked

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.640
him on a prong and he was already way better

00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.500
on a prong and you know he got to us and he was

00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.299
on a flat collar and he almost like ripped my

00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:50.299
shoulder out in the first like 20 minutes and

00:30:50.299 --> 00:30:52.700
I was like where's a prong collar somebody bring

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:55.200
me a prong collar I can't walk this guy so if

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.160
it's uncontrollable to that point and they're

00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.529
already used to it I will go to a prong collar

00:31:00.529 --> 00:31:03.089
if needed, but mostly just for walks and things

00:31:03.089 --> 00:31:05.490
like that. When I'm doing small exercises with

00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:08.849
a dog or if we're inside or in a relaxed environment,

00:31:09.150 --> 00:31:13.890
I typically always fall into a slip lead. But

00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:18.109
for severe pullers or walks where we're really

00:31:18.109 --> 00:31:22.170
being intentional or learning corrections versus...

00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.819
versus like guidance then i will kind of swap

00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:30.140
over um i also will replace that prong collar

00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:33.759
with a star mark depending on how i call it like

00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.039
how soft the dog is but it's really like how

00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:43.660
how timid they are how how averse to corrections

00:31:43.660 --> 00:31:45.819
that they really are because we get small dogs

00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:48.779
we get timid dogs and if those dogs are aversive

00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:51.880
already to you know big corrections or anything

00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.119
like that then I will always start as low as

00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.960
possible but I always will fall right into a

00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.640
slip lead because One, it's the easiest thing

00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:03.920
for any owner to like control because it's a

00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:05.940
leash and a collar all in one and you literally

00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:07.920
just loop it over the dog's head and you just

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.000
go. And that's my favorite. And then we use the

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.940
kind that obviously are like leashes and the

00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:16.380
slip leads. So it's like we always just have

00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:20.380
a leash on us no matter what. Yeah. So the next

00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:23.640
like major point, what I think is really important

00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.380
to explain here. Because when you get into the

00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:30.099
concept of corrections, everybody gets real nitpicky

00:32:30.099 --> 00:32:33.680
on like, how does this go down? Well, the concept

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:39.319
is that you have no business correcting your

00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.680
dog and a trainer has no business correcting

00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.579
the dog if they don't know what they're supposed

00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:50.539
to be doing. And so that is what I think gets

00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:56.009
lost in translation is a correction. is not the

00:32:56.009 --> 00:33:04.369
same as a punishment. And we have a rule in top

00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:08.250
dog training has a rule that we do not punish

00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:12.589
dogs. We don't use a punishment that happens

00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:17.930
after the fact. But if I have taught the dog

00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:26.220
what to do, That pressure and how to manage that

00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.940
collar and how to manage that leash. And then

00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:32.980
the dog bolts forward and gets to the end of

00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:35.759
the leash and the leash gets tight. That's a

00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.980
correction. Yeah. And the dog corrects themselves

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:43.759
all by themselves there. That's pretty fair.

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:46.859
Yeah. Right? Because I've already taught them

00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:49.700
how to not do that. I've taught them how to,

00:33:49.779 --> 00:33:51.519
if you just walk next to me, you're on a loose

00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.779
leash. I give you no tension at all when you

00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:57.779
walk next to me. And that's why it's so important

00:33:57.779 --> 00:34:02.200
for people listening to always try to manage

00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.460
a loose leash. You want the leash to be loose

00:34:06.460 --> 00:34:11.260
99 % of the time. So that the only time it tightens

00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:14.940
is because the dog's not. Doing what they're

00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:16.719
supposed to do. They're not walking next to you.

00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.599
They're bolting forward or back or side to side

00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.039
or whatever it is That's when the leash gets

00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:26.039
tight. So by teaching the language of leash pressure

00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:31.000
and using markers The dog understands how to

00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.559
win Before we actually add like accountability

00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.000
to the picture. Yeah, and I think that's really

00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.940
really important Right. And I think that's why

00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:40.539
like I always start with a slip lead. Right.

00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.400
Because I use leash pressure. And then if we

00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.739
need to go into even corrections of the prong

00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:48.380
collar or star mark, we will. But if they I mean,

00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:50.039
you can also eventually. But if they don't need

00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.579
that and they don't need that pressure. Right.

00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.039
Right. Why use it? Yeah. Yeah. It just it just

00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.900
doesn't make sense to go out of your way to use,

00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:03.980
you know, a shotgun to kill an ant. Right. But

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:06.719
I will say like a lot of the times for most.

00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.260
dogs walking a star mark or a Herm Springer are

00:35:12.260 --> 00:35:15.380
going to be the safest options just for like

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:18.619
their neck in general, because I don't know if

00:35:18.619 --> 00:35:23.300
anybody is aware, but if you let a dog incessantly

00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:25.739
pull on a slip lead on a flat collar on a modern

00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:28.739
gale, any of that, they can collapse their trachea.

00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:31.639
Oh yeah. Without even like giving it much force

00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.500
that you can think of, but it depends on the

00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:35.059
size of the dog and how hard they're pulling.

00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.280
They can 100 % injure themselves in anything

00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.599
but a prong collar most of the time. Which is

00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:44.659
why when you see a dog just pulling and pulling

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:47.139
and pulling and pulling and they are on a collar

00:35:47.139 --> 00:35:50.300
or something like that, it's like, ugh. Right,

00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:52.179
it's like try pinching your neck or pushing on

00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:55.500
your throat and like breathing. There's no world

00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.099
where that's comfortable or you can do it for

00:35:58.099 --> 00:36:00.099
so long. And that's why it's so important that

00:36:00.099 --> 00:36:03.980
we teach them to not do that. And that is why.

00:36:04.809 --> 00:36:09.130
I have no desire for any dogs to get hurt. It's

00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:12.250
way better to just teach them not to pull. And

00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:14.730
if that has to be a little uncomfortable, just

00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:18.150
a little bit up front, for them to figure that

00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:21.789
out and to feel the difference and to be relieved

00:36:21.789 --> 00:36:26.940
by walking next to you, man, that's... That just

00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:29.239
makes sense to me. Right. I've really, honestly,

00:36:29.300 --> 00:36:32.159
I don't think I could tell you one instance where

00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.659
I've seen a dog on a prong collar and seen it

00:36:35.659 --> 00:36:42.519
like crying, screaming, like yelping, injuring

00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.699
itself, breathing crazy. But 10 times out of

00:36:46.699 --> 00:36:48.539
10, when you see a dog on a flat collar, they're

00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:52.179
like, because they can't breathe and they're

00:36:52.179 --> 00:36:54.840
just pulling all around. it's always about the

00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.900
responsibility of the person on the other end

00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:01.820
of the leash whether a dog is safe or not it's

00:37:01.820 --> 00:37:05.480
not the collar but i think a lot of people see

00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.710
what they see right And decide what that means.

00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:11.610
Well they make pretty colors in homespringers

00:37:11.610 --> 00:37:14.590
now. So it might help. They like powder coat

00:37:14.590 --> 00:37:17.170
them now. Into different pretty colors. And there's

00:37:17.170 --> 00:37:20.110
like a rose gold one. Which I love. So pretty.

00:37:20.309 --> 00:37:24.130
But they do. They look like a crazy device. Because

00:37:24.130 --> 00:37:26.949
they're metal. Right. And it's shiny. And it's

00:37:26.949 --> 00:37:30.829
obvious on most dogs. And so people are automatically

00:37:30.829 --> 00:37:34.030
deterred by them. But it's 100%. Like if you

00:37:34.030 --> 00:37:38.800
ask any dog trainer. In today's. world that uses

00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.000
like balance training i'm 100 sure will say a

00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.619
herm springer or star mark or something like

00:37:45.619 --> 00:37:49.019
that is going to be way safer yeah for sure um

00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:51.599
all right so you kind of alluded to it like what

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.019
what drill would you recommend that like a new

00:37:54.019 --> 00:37:58.199
handler use to teach pressure pressure and release

00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.119
so you were talking about the 180s but i think

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.860
yeah there's a major drill that i like to use

00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:08.039
before that right you i don't know which one

00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.380
you use but i'm real big on the like the let's

00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.820
go or like the silent leash pressure where you

00:38:12.820 --> 00:38:17.019
drop back um away from the dog so i always go

00:38:17.019 --> 00:38:19.639
to i will go in the cul -de -sac and i will walk

00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.579
around the cul -de -sac circle with the dog and

00:38:21.579 --> 00:38:23.599
i just give a let's go with like some light leash

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.320
pressure behind it just teaching the dog so in

00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.159
in dog behavior world right it teaches them to

00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.449
kick into like pack drive because You never want

00:38:35.449 --> 00:38:37.610
a dog in defense drive or prey drive when you're

00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:39.289
out on a walk because it's going to be tuned

00:38:39.289 --> 00:38:41.030
into squirrels. It's going to be tuned into,

00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:43.690
I need to tell that dog to back away from me,

00:38:43.829 --> 00:38:46.369
different things like that. But when a dog is

00:38:46.369 --> 00:38:48.610
in pack drive, they're with you. They're relying

00:38:48.610 --> 00:38:50.909
on you. You're relying on each other and they're

00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:53.730
looking to you for pretty much everything. So

00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:56.269
my favorite is we will go out in the cul -de

00:38:56.269 --> 00:38:58.889
-sac, do some let's go in just a random like

00:38:58.889 --> 00:39:01.650
circle. If the dog starts pulling super heavily

00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:03.429
in front of me, I just will turn around and be

00:39:03.429 --> 00:39:06.030
like, nope, let's go. And I'm not giving corrections.

00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:08.989
I'm giving like little light leash pressure for

00:39:08.989 --> 00:39:11.070
them to understand that they need to be moving

00:39:11.070 --> 00:39:13.150
in the same direction as me, not within a certain

00:39:13.150 --> 00:39:18.110
distance. Nice. One of my go -to drills right

00:39:18.110 --> 00:39:20.969
off the bat, and I try to teach owners this in

00:39:20.969 --> 00:39:23.130
like their first like private lesson when I do

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:27.449
private lessons for them, is I'll stand there,

00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:30.630
let the dog check out. So the dog's on a leash.

00:39:30.670 --> 00:39:34.130
Let the dog check out and relax. And then. as

00:39:34.130 --> 00:39:36.349
they're sniffing around or whatever, you're going

00:39:36.349 --> 00:39:41.949
to just give a slight pull and then you're going

00:39:41.949 --> 00:39:45.610
to slowly increase the pressure a little bit

00:39:45.610 --> 00:39:47.429
at a time, a little bit at a time, a little bit

00:39:47.429 --> 00:39:51.289
at a time. And I'm increasing, increasing, increasing,

00:39:51.349 --> 00:39:56.969
increasing pressure until the dog yields. To

00:39:56.969 --> 00:39:59.690
that pressure. At the moment the dog takes a

00:39:59.690 --> 00:40:03.389
step towards me or turns towards me or shows

00:40:03.389 --> 00:40:07.530
that they're yielding to that pressure, I'm throwing

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:10.949
a party, right? So I'm throwing a party. Yeah,

00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:14.449
great job. Or I'm going to give them a marker

00:40:14.449 --> 00:40:18.210
word. For the words that we use, that would be

00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:22.090
free. So I would. pull give a little bit of pressure

00:40:22.090 --> 00:40:25.309
a little bit of pressure and when the dog yields

00:40:25.309 --> 00:40:30.289
to that pressure then i say free and then i continue

00:40:30.289 --> 00:40:33.809
away from the dog as the dog is kind of yielding

00:40:33.809 --> 00:40:36.150
to that and moving towards me and then i offer

00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:41.949
them that reward so um we're working really hard

00:40:41.949 --> 00:40:44.650
on getting some of these like baseline skills

00:40:44.650 --> 00:40:48.289
and videos up on our youtube channel bear with

00:40:48.289 --> 00:40:53.030
us We're working on it. The other thing I was

00:40:53.030 --> 00:40:55.190
going to talk about is the other side of this.

00:40:55.349 --> 00:41:02.469
So how does one figure out the timing of using

00:41:02.469 --> 00:41:06.750
no? Because we can use our positive marker words,

00:41:06.869 --> 00:41:10.449
but I tell you what one of the most important

00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:18.510
words on that walk is no. Yeah. So when you use

00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:24.150
no, we need to pair it with that pressure, that

00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:27.949
leash pressure. And if the no is followed by

00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:31.710
some leash pressure, the dog will learn that

00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:38.550
no predicts pressure. Just like yes or free predicts

00:41:38.550 --> 00:41:42.429
a reward. That's an important relationship because

00:41:42.429 --> 00:41:46.769
the dog will. always try and as they learn and

00:41:46.769 --> 00:41:48.230
get more comfortable they're always going to

00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:53.230
try to beat whatever comes next and so eventually

00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:57.650
you're going to say no and the dog's already

00:41:57.650 --> 00:42:00.989
they're going to jump at the chance to beat you

00:42:00.989 --> 00:42:04.670
to whatever it was that you're going to do and

00:42:04.670 --> 00:42:07.909
if that's leash pressure if i have taught the

00:42:07.909 --> 00:42:12.789
dog that when i say no as the dog like tears

00:42:12.789 --> 00:42:16.550
off or tries to like forge ahead if i say no

00:42:16.550 --> 00:42:20.510
and then i follow that with pressure the dog's

00:42:20.510 --> 00:42:22.690
eventually going to beat that pressure and i'm

00:42:22.690 --> 00:42:24.250
going to say no and they're going to take a step

00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:27.650
back yeah and that's the gold standard that's

00:42:27.650 --> 00:42:30.190
what we want to get to so that we don't have

00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:34.070
to put pressure so we don't have to use that

00:42:34.070 --> 00:42:37.420
leash pressure that's that's important Um, what

00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:41.039
signs tell you that the dog understands the communication

00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.280
and is ready for more accountability? Like what

00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.599
would you look for in your dog to know that they're

00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.019
like understanding what you're trying to do?

00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.199
Um, I'd say like yielding to the leash pressure,

00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.000
right? It's like when you, you get light leash

00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.670
pressure and they are like, Oh, what? And immediately

00:43:00.670 --> 00:43:03.550
look to you for direction. There we go. That's

00:43:03.550 --> 00:43:06.909
for sure what I was going to say. When the dog,

00:43:06.949 --> 00:43:11.030
when you pull using only your wrist, we don't

00:43:11.030 --> 00:43:15.070
ever yank. We don't ever pull with our elbow

00:43:15.070 --> 00:43:18.050
or our shoulder, all of that. We're just using

00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:21.610
our wrist. And when I give them that pressure

00:43:21.610 --> 00:43:28.079
and they look back to look at me, that. tells

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.880
me that they know exactly what i'm trying to

00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:35.780
do for sure all right so i think that it's really

00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:40.139
important that progressive accountability stays

00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:43.880
fair right and so we want to add accountability

00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.059
this is kind of our last concept for tonight

00:43:46.059 --> 00:43:50.039
our we want to add accountability in layers we

00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.840
want to keep it proportionate and we always want

00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.389
to follow it with praise For the compliance,

00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:03.389
right? When the dog does what we want, we always

00:44:03.389 --> 00:44:06.389
have to reward that. That reward could be food.

00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:08.530
It could be praise. It could be a toy. It could

00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:13.730
be freedom, right? Just like, well, there's a

00:44:13.730 --> 00:44:16.590
lot of examples. So I'm going to try not to go

00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:20.449
down a rabbit hole. But rewarding the dog is

00:44:20.449 --> 00:44:23.570
paramount. Right, I think that's one thing people

00:44:23.570 --> 00:44:25.889
forget to do. It's like they're so used to being

00:44:25.889 --> 00:44:27.769
like, no, don't do that, no, don't do that, no,

00:44:27.769 --> 00:44:29.590
don't do that. When the dog does something that

00:44:29.590 --> 00:44:33.110
they like, they're like, oh, they're doing it.

00:44:33.269 --> 00:44:36.329
And they're like trying not to like spook them.

00:44:36.489 --> 00:44:38.769
And that's what is so important that I want to

00:44:38.769 --> 00:44:40.809
bring up because the other side of the coin here

00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:44.110
and the reason why I think people get so passionate

00:44:44.110 --> 00:44:49.409
against tools and so passionate against this

00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:53.349
concept of like, Any type of pressure or force

00:44:53.349 --> 00:44:57.389
on the dog is that I think a lot of people forget

00:44:57.389 --> 00:45:01.530
about the reward based part. And then it's like,

00:45:01.590 --> 00:45:03.590
cool. Now that I got him walking next to me,

00:45:03.630 --> 00:45:05.530
I'm just going to use this leash to control them.

00:45:05.610 --> 00:45:07.869
But you're missing out. Yeah. You're missing

00:45:07.869 --> 00:45:12.670
out on what is scientifically the quickest, most

00:45:12.670 --> 00:45:16.570
effective way to train your dog. Now, there are

00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:20.840
dogs. My Dutch Shepherd is a great example. Positive

00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.159
only training will only go so far with him. Right.

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:27.139
And then he will take your lunch money and tell

00:45:27.139 --> 00:45:29.960
you to sit in the corner. Yeah. Because he is

00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:36.860
going to show you why he's in charge. But he

00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:40.239
was bred to be that person. He was bred to be

00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.380
that dog. Yeah. So he needs structure and he

00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:48.610
needs that like, no, no. Sorry, man. I know you're

00:45:48.610 --> 00:45:52.389
a big dog, but you're not that big. But that

00:45:52.389 --> 00:45:54.869
doesn't mean that we have to do these crazy concepts

00:45:54.869 --> 00:45:58.710
that you see on TikTok and all this stuff, alpha

00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:00.889
rolling and all this stuff. We don't subscribe

00:46:00.889 --> 00:46:02.449
to any of that. I don't think it's necessary.

00:46:02.889 --> 00:46:06.630
I've never even heard of it. Well, then let's

00:46:06.630 --> 00:46:08.489
not even get into it. It doesn't matter. I don't

00:46:08.489 --> 00:46:11.449
care what it is. The concept is that rewards,

00:46:11.750 --> 00:46:16.199
they work. They absolutely work. And so everything

00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.500
that we do, if you're going to use a leash to

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:23.559
guide a dog, you have to also use what works

00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.800
the best on the other side of the coin. Yeah.

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.659
And that's the reward. You can't forget it. Yeah.

00:46:31.059 --> 00:46:35.639
So always start with the least intrusive, effective

00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.559
tool, and then escalate it only when needed.

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:46.760
Always maintaining clarity. We always pair yes

00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.699
and free, our markers, to those rewards. We always

00:46:50.699 --> 00:46:57.860
pair no to some sort of negative. And by doing

00:46:57.860 --> 00:47:00.539
that, we maintain accountability on both fronts.

00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:06.920
If you're going to use an e -collar, the e -collar

00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.179
isn't really the subject matter of today, but

00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:10.900
e -collars are getting more and more and more

00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:15.219
popular. And we use e -collars very, very successfully

00:47:15.219 --> 00:47:20.059
on my Malinois and my Dutch Shepherd go out and

00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:22.880
we go on trails and we go on runs and we go on

00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.059
all these things. And they can go on those adventures

00:47:25.059 --> 00:47:27.719
because I can maintain accountability even off

00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:32.699
leash with an e -collar. So introduce the e -collar

00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:37.199
only after the dog knows the command on a leash

00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.119
with our three languages. So our three languages

00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.849
are food luring, leash pressure, and verbal communication.

00:47:44.829 --> 00:47:48.329
If the dog knows those and knows what's expected,

00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:50.909
then you can pair it with the e -collar to get

00:47:50.909 --> 00:47:54.690
even better results. But if you're just using

00:47:54.690 --> 00:47:56.849
the e -collar right off the bat without teaching

00:47:56.849 --> 00:47:59.730
them what it means and how it works, and you're

00:47:59.730 --> 00:48:02.889
only using it to correct or punish your dog,

00:48:03.050 --> 00:48:05.789
you're doing it wrong. Right, and I think that's

00:48:05.789 --> 00:48:08.250
one big thing we don't talk about either is when

00:48:08.250 --> 00:48:11.969
it gets to an e -collar, A lot of times we go

00:48:11.969 --> 00:48:15.630
to a knee collar when dogs know that a leash

00:48:15.630 --> 00:48:18.070
is on or off. Right. And people don't get to

00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:20.010
that phase of training very often where they're

00:48:20.010 --> 00:48:22.409
like, well, my dog does great when they're on

00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:23.989
a leash. But as soon as I unclip it, they're

00:48:23.989 --> 00:48:26.210
like, I don't have to listen anymore. And there's

00:48:26.210 --> 00:48:29.650
tons of dogs that can understand that difference.

00:48:29.929 --> 00:48:33.389
And I mean, there's tons of ways to execute the

00:48:33.389 --> 00:48:37.550
training of that. But people, I think, get caught

00:48:37.550 --> 00:48:41.280
up in the fact that dogs. Dogs understand whether

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.460
the leash is on or off. Oh, yeah. They know.

00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.119
And so that's even part of our training is when

00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.760
we do in -home integration training, we take

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:55.480
a dog and we train it for a few weeks. We do

00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.019
that. We do on -off drills, right, of just take

00:48:59.019 --> 00:49:01.940
the leash off and then put it on and then take

00:49:01.940 --> 00:49:04.099
it off and put it on. And one cool technique

00:49:04.099 --> 00:49:07.239
is to put two leashes on. So then you take the

00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.119
leash off and then you have them do a command.

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.480
And a lot of times the dog sees the leash come

00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.480
off and is like, woo, I'm free. I don't have

00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:19.980
to listen anymore. But you still have that second

00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:22.639
line on the dog. You still have accountability.

00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:26.559
When you get a dog like that, that is sensitive

00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.559
to that, that's where an e -collar really, really

00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:34.260
excels. But what usually I hear as the conversation

00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:37.460
is, oh, my dog doesn't listen at all. I think

00:49:37.460 --> 00:49:41.199
I need an e -collar. Right. Okay. Well, I think

00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.340
you might be missing the boat because we might

00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:48.199
be able to just teach them to listen regardless,

00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.679
right? Right. I don't support anybody who just

00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:56.179
uses the e -collar for corrections. Yeah. Because

00:49:56.179 --> 00:50:06.000
that's not how you train them. Yep. Let's see

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.860
here. What else do I have written down? Corrections.

00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.900
Let's define this a little bit, right? Corrections

00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:17.920
are information. It's not the same as a punishment.

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:24.179
A punishment is a message of you did this and

00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:28.840
so now I'm going to do this. There's no real

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.960
place for that in dog training because the dogs

00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.809
don't think in that level. They don't think,

00:50:35.849 --> 00:50:41.230
because of this, now this is true. They think,

00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:46.369
the door is open, so I'm going to go out. But

00:50:46.369 --> 00:50:51.730
they don't go, I'm going to go outside, and then

00:50:51.730 --> 00:50:55.489
that's going to make my parents come out to get

00:50:55.489 --> 00:51:00.409
me. And they're busy on the computer, so this

00:51:00.409 --> 00:51:03.050
is what I'm going to do. That's too complicated.

00:51:03.110 --> 00:51:11.789
That's not where they're thinking. Corrections

00:51:11.789 --> 00:51:15.389
are information. It's not the same as punishment.

00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:22.789
Just like if I told you what is five times five

00:51:22.789 --> 00:51:27.909
and you didn't know the answer and I never gave

00:51:27.909 --> 00:51:33.429
you the answer and I never told you no. So I

00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:35.090
say, what's five times five? And you're like,

00:51:35.170 --> 00:51:40.590
400. And I just nod my head. Or I say nothing.

00:51:41.690 --> 00:51:44.369
Right. How are you ever going to learn? Yeah.

00:51:45.309 --> 00:51:49.889
I have to tell you, no, that's wrong. Do it again.

00:51:50.809 --> 00:51:54.570
Or else it's impossible for you to just randomly

00:51:54.570 --> 00:51:57.750
find the answer. Yeah. There's too many variables.

00:51:58.989 --> 00:52:04.699
So. When you do give a correction, though, you

00:52:04.699 --> 00:52:07.840
need to deliver them calmly and you need to release

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.880
that pressure the instant the dog makes the right

00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.639
choice. That's really, really important. And

00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.579
then we're going to proof the skills with distance.

00:52:17.659 --> 00:52:19.360
We're going to add duration. We're going to add

00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:24.059
distractions in until each step of training is

00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:30.280
complete. That is the concept of fair. but still

00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:36.019
reward -based dog training. All right. Last few

00:52:36.019 --> 00:52:42.440
questions for the trainers. What do you feel

00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.659
like, from a trainer perspective, Brianna, what

00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:49.480
do you feel like the criteria is that has to

00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.519
be met before you layer in an e -collar for off

00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.429
-leash reliability? Definitely going to be leash

00:52:58.429 --> 00:53:04.210
pressure and markers. So the dog responds to

00:53:04.210 --> 00:53:07.170
markers, understands the markers, and I think

00:53:07.170 --> 00:53:12.769
you need to teach them on a leash, but then you

00:53:12.769 --> 00:53:17.449
need to ensure that the dog knows what is expected.

00:53:17.949 --> 00:53:21.869
Right. Whatever that is, right? Do you have to

00:53:21.869 --> 00:53:24.449
have the dog on a leash for sit and down? No,

00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:28.300
not necessarily. When usually when we're talking

00:53:28.300 --> 00:53:30.579
about off leash reliability, we're almost always

00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:34.480
talking about recall. Yeah. And so if your dog

00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.960
doesn't come when it's on a leash, it's sure

00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:43.260
not going to come off. Right. Yeah. It's just

00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:47.599
not. It's not going to get better. No. So start

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.199
on leash. Maintain accountability by being able

00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:56.650
to just. reel them in or step on the leash and

00:53:56.650 --> 00:53:59.250
walk towards them so that they can't play catch

00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:01.929
me if you can right and that's what gives you

00:54:01.929 --> 00:54:08.630
that accountability um what uh so i was going

00:54:08.630 --> 00:54:11.150
to share a case do you have one i was going to

00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:15.110
share a case where stepping down to a simpler

00:54:15.110 --> 00:54:20.570
tool actually improved communication um i can

00:54:20.570 --> 00:54:24.030
think of one You go first so I don't take yours

00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:26.030
on accident because I have a couple in my head.

00:54:26.329 --> 00:54:31.389
So we had a dog that we were working with that

00:54:31.389 --> 00:54:36.889
was always on a prong collar. And for whatever

00:54:36.889 --> 00:54:41.969
reason, we were just getting really low. The

00:54:41.969 --> 00:54:49.329
dog was pulling through the collar and was interested

00:54:49.329 --> 00:54:53.329
in everything else outside. the prong collar

00:54:53.329 --> 00:54:58.989
typically almost immediately limits the dog from

00:54:58.989 --> 00:55:04.269
pulling. And this just did not seem to be helping.

00:55:04.409 --> 00:55:06.550
I think it was making the dog more reactive.

00:55:06.630 --> 00:55:10.210
I think it was making the dog more excitable

00:55:10.210 --> 00:55:14.150
and less paying attention to what we were asking

00:55:14.150 --> 00:55:17.929
for. And so taking the prong collar off and going

00:55:17.929 --> 00:55:22.309
back down to just a regular slip lead. completely

00:55:22.309 --> 00:55:25.329
changed our walking experience yeah with that

00:55:25.329 --> 00:55:29.170
dog and we were able to go out and the dog walked

00:55:29.170 --> 00:55:34.070
perfectly on a loose leash and so what was happening

00:55:34.070 --> 00:55:36.309
was we were just getting a lot of extra noise

00:55:36.309 --> 00:55:42.969
in that communication line because the prong

00:55:42.969 --> 00:55:48.039
collar was was just either uncomfortable it was

00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.119
over stimulating a lot of times there you go

00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.900
if it's a dog that's already overstimulated and

00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:57.639
it was building frustration in the dog rather

00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.610
than Not rather than, but we didn't need it.

00:56:01.710 --> 00:56:05.150
Yeah. Right. That dog did not need it. Now, we've

00:56:05.150 --> 00:56:09.369
seen plenty of cases where going up the chain

00:56:09.369 --> 00:56:12.510
up to a Herm Springer like prong collar or up

00:56:12.510 --> 00:56:16.010
to a star mark is absolutely the right time and

00:56:16.010 --> 00:56:19.650
right place for that dog. But sometimes it's

00:56:19.650 --> 00:56:22.530
not. And when it's not, then it's not. There's

00:56:22.530 --> 00:56:25.769
no like, oh, well, you can only go up. No, you

00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:28.090
can go right on back down. Right, have one of

00:56:28.090 --> 00:56:30.309
everything. There's plenty of dogs that walk

00:56:30.309 --> 00:56:33.590
just fine on a harness. Right, and we tell people.

00:56:33.590 --> 00:56:35.889
They really are. I will tell people all the time.

00:56:35.929 --> 00:56:37.889
It's like you have 20 toys in your basket. Buy

00:56:37.889 --> 00:56:40.329
a harness, buy a flat collar, buy a martingale,

00:56:40.429 --> 00:56:42.250
buy a prong collar, buy a store mark, buy a slip

00:56:42.250 --> 00:56:44.630
lead. So many people have an entire toy box for

00:56:44.630 --> 00:56:46.050
the dogs. That's like six tools. Right. Buy them.

00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:49.679
Right. Play with them. Put them on something

00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.059
different each time. Right. Whatever. And if

00:56:52.059 --> 00:56:55.019
one doesn't work, return it. It's 2025. We just

00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:59.599
return things for free. I love that. Right. But

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.480
the concept is we are not at any point in all

00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.139
of this going, no, no, no. You must use more

00:57:06.139 --> 00:57:09.659
force. You must. No, sometimes you're already

00:57:09.659 --> 00:57:12.219
using too much. Yeah. Sometimes you got to go

00:57:12.219 --> 00:57:15.659
back down. Yeah. Now, that's not usually the

00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:21.239
case. But never say never. Right. And we've seen

00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:25.139
it. Yeah. So that was my example. Nice. Was that

00:57:25.139 --> 00:57:28.380
yours? I did have, that was one of mine. So I'm

00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:29.900
glad because I almost went with that one because

00:57:29.900 --> 00:57:31.619
I thought yours might be another one. But we've

00:57:31.619 --> 00:57:35.340
had a dog before that we've seen that was on

00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:38.219
an e -collar and it would just like shut down

00:57:38.219 --> 00:57:43.440
on the e -collar. you loop back around and it's

00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.099
because the dog was like never taught leash pressure

00:57:46.099 --> 00:57:49.300
or didn't understand the command even verbally

00:57:49.300 --> 00:57:53.199
and so you have to backtrack at that point and

00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.380
you have to go back to teaching the dog leash

00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:58.739
pressure verbal all of those things and then

00:57:58.739 --> 00:58:00.480
you go back to the e -collar and you have like

00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.619
half the half the amount of pressure that you

00:58:03.619 --> 00:58:06.159
originally needed because they were just like

00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.179
going up and up and up and they were like he's

00:58:08.179 --> 00:58:09.860
not listening to it he's not listening to it

00:58:09.860 --> 00:58:11.860
he's not listening to it He just didn't understand

00:58:11.860 --> 00:58:14.239
it. And so he was like, well, I'm just going

00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:15.780
to lay down. I'm just going to lay down. And

00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:19.360
they thought it was defiance and like reluctance

00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.760
to follow through with the command. But the dog

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.719
just didn't even know what they were asking.

00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:28.579
Yeah. So jumping to an e -collar doesn't work

00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:30.699
for every dog. Right. Sometimes you have to go

00:58:30.699 --> 00:58:33.599
back. Sometimes they know one command on the

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.059
e -collar and they don't understand the other

00:58:35.059 --> 00:58:37.300
one. So you have to attach that leash. Don't

00:58:37.300 --> 00:58:40.500
be afraid. To put a leash on the dog, even if

00:58:40.500 --> 00:58:42.199
they're on an e -collar. Yeah, you can do both.

00:58:42.380 --> 00:58:44.559
Right. When we go to e -collar, the dog doesn't

00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.800
just go from a leash to an e -collar. The dog

00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.739
goes from a six foot leash dragging it to a long

00:58:51.739 --> 00:58:56.019
line dragging it to an e -collar still with a

00:58:56.019 --> 00:58:58.860
long line dragging it. And then they will stay

00:58:58.860 --> 00:59:01.980
on that phase for quite some time before you

00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:05.059
unhook a long line and give your dog total freedom.

00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:10.440
and and show that they are 100 off leash but

00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.599
have to come back to you no matter what because

00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.119
i will tell people all day long let your dog

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.920
drag a long line because that gives you 10 feet

00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.019
of room to catch that dog if you need to right

00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:23.480
it gives you 15 feet it gives you however much

00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.000
but they make lightweight ones and they make

00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.199
heavier ones and just because your dog is smaller

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.679
Or thin and whatever. It doesn't mean that you

00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.059
can't find a long line that's plenty lightweight

00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:37.340
for them to drag. I have one of my favorite light

00:59:37.340 --> 00:59:39.820
ones that I got from PetSmart. And I got it because

00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:41.940
it was lightweight. Not because it was fancy.

00:59:42.019 --> 00:59:43.860
But I just wanted one that was light enough for

00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:46.400
small dogs to drag around and not be like, oh,

00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.579
this is really inconvenient. Right. And it's

00:59:48.579 --> 00:59:53.500
2025. They make Biothane long line leashes. They

00:59:53.500 --> 00:59:55.900
make everything. Every material. But Biothane

00:59:55.900 --> 00:59:59.800
is nice because it just wipes clean. Right. And

00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:03.380
so you can drag it around. Right. I'm not a huge

01:00:03.380 --> 01:00:05.619
fan. My hands get sweaty. It's slippery. I don't,

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.260
I just, I don't know. Right. It is slippery when

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:11.119
it's wet. Yeah. Right. But that, that's kind

01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:13.579
of the point is that you can have them drag it

01:00:13.579 --> 01:00:16.820
around the backyard or wherever the trail or

01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:20.659
whatever. And when at the end of the day, you

01:00:20.659 --> 01:00:24.320
just wipe it with a wet cloth and it just comes

01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.659
clean. Right. And so you don't have to like throw

01:00:26.659 --> 01:00:28.179
it in the washer or anything like that. It is

01:00:28.179 --> 01:00:31.139
easier to clean, but. Yep, just an option. Right,

01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:32.880
there's like 15 different materials. There's

01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.000
so many different. You're right. So we're going

01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.019
to open it up for questions for the clients that

01:00:39.019 --> 01:00:43.579
are on the line here. I'm going to... You guys

01:00:43.579 --> 01:00:48.699
should be able to unmute yourselves. But I'll

01:00:48.699 --> 01:00:52.019
open it up for questions at this time, and then

01:00:52.019 --> 01:00:53.880
we'll go over our listener projects, and then

01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.420
we'll close it out for tonight. Anybody have

01:00:56.420 --> 01:01:26.510
a question? No questions tonight. Or everyone

01:01:26.510 --> 01:01:41.710
is stuck on mute somehow. Alrighty. So I will

01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:44.769
finish it up. If anybody does think of a question

01:01:44.769 --> 01:01:46.710
before we close this out, just jump in here.

01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.000
Project number one for our listener projects

01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.579
tonight. We usually come up with two projects.

01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:58.780
Each podcast are just exercises and things that

01:01:58.780 --> 01:02:03.760
owners can do at home. Project number one, fit

01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.659
and pressure release check. So check your dog's

01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:10.519
collar. Make sure that it fits using the two

01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.199
finger rule and then adjust as needed. So attach

01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:19.340
your leash and then in a quiet room, Apply that

01:02:19.340 --> 01:02:22.260
light forward leash pressure. And the instant

01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:26.500
the dog yields, say yes or free or whatever your

01:02:26.500 --> 01:02:29.820
marker is that releases, release all the pressure

01:02:29.820 --> 01:02:34.719
there and then offer them a reward. Repeat 10

01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:39.599
reps, 15 reps or so, and then finish with a nice

01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.300
solid free or break or something like that. And

01:02:44.300 --> 01:02:47.380
then just... Reward your dog, pet them, give

01:02:47.380 --> 01:02:50.739
them praise, go outside with them, throw a ball,

01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:54.079
something like that. But make it fun. Make sure

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.920
your dog's collar fits. Make sure they can't

01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:59.039
pull out of it, things like that. Those are just

01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.079
responsible things to do as dog owners. Project

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:08.400
number two. So long line recall. So use like

01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.840
a 20 or 30 foot long line and let the dog kind

01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:16.530
of drift away. But still on slack, right? Slack

01:03:16.530 --> 01:03:22.690
on the leash. And then what we want to do is

01:03:22.690 --> 01:03:27.449
we're going to say, come here, whatever your

01:03:27.449 --> 01:03:31.150
recall word is. And then we're going to guide

01:03:31.150 --> 01:03:35.869
them lightly, mark it with a reward as they start

01:03:35.869 --> 01:03:41.769
to move, and then free to release. Make sure

01:03:41.769 --> 01:03:47.150
that you are not like we don't want to play catch

01:03:47.150 --> 01:03:50.210
me if you can. Right. And we also don't want

01:03:50.210 --> 01:03:53.289
to encourage the dog to do the little half moon

01:03:53.289 --> 01:03:57.849
patterns around us. So increase that pressure

01:03:57.849 --> 01:04:02.869
a little bit and give them come or here. And

01:04:02.869 --> 01:04:06.500
then as they yield to that. make sure that they

01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:09.099
stay in that straight line. You can also kind

01:04:09.099 --> 01:04:12.139
of move away from them to kind of like turn on

01:04:12.139 --> 01:04:14.880
that prey drive in the dog's mind so that they

01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:19.260
want to follow you. And use that movement to

01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:22.119
be part of the fun and the reward, right? We

01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:27.139
move and that creates excitement. If the dog

01:04:27.139 --> 01:04:30.119
plays keep away or the dog does a little half

01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.119
moon thing or the dog's like, nope, you catch

01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.659
me, then we're just going to be like. know and

01:04:35.659 --> 01:04:38.000
we're going to give them a little bit more pressure

01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:41.139
on the leash or on the long line we're going

01:04:41.139 --> 01:04:45.840
to reaffirm come and then guide them in and we're

01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.099
only going to reward them if they actually like

01:04:49.099 --> 01:04:53.820
arrive right so there's your two projects to

01:04:53.820 --> 01:04:59.119
practice um for our listeners and at this point

01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:02.760
we have covered all of the subject matter that

01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:06.710
i've got for tonight All right. So with that,

01:05:06.789 --> 01:05:11.309
we are going to start signing off tonight. We

01:05:11.309 --> 01:05:13.789
talked about some of the different tools and

01:05:13.789 --> 01:05:17.070
different options that we had to work with our

01:05:17.070 --> 01:05:20.559
dogs tonight. Thank you for tuning in. I really

01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:24.260
appreciate you being here. Just a reminder, I

01:05:24.260 --> 01:05:27.019
would absolutely love it if you guys left us

01:05:27.019 --> 01:05:29.420
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01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:33.059
Let us know how we're doing and how we can improve

01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:36.360
because this is always going to be a work in

01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:40.519
progress. Thanks, guys. Have a good night. Good

01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.900
night. Good night.