WEBVTT 00:00:32.170 --> 00:00:34.789 Welcome to Pawprint Academy, your blueprint to 00:00:34.789 --> 00:00:37.890 raising better dogs. My name is Ryan, and I am 00:00:37.890 --> 00:00:41.270 your host, alongside my co -host, Brianna. Hi. 00:00:41.630 --> 00:00:43.810 And together, we're bringing you real -world 00:00:43.810 --> 00:00:46.030 training insights built on leadership, structure, 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:48.929 and proven methods. But this show is a lot more 00:00:48.929 --> 00:00:51.969 than just teaching your dog to sit or stay. It's 00:00:51.969 --> 00:00:54.170 about building trust, creating calmness, and 00:00:54.170 --> 00:00:56.270 becoming the kind of leader that your dog truly 00:00:56.270 --> 00:00:58.969 needs. We do that with our three -pillar method 00:00:58.969 --> 00:01:02.899 of trust, obey, and perform. Thanks for being 00:01:02.899 --> 00:01:05.239 here on this journey with us. Let's get started. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.799 All right, episode five, body language and tone, 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:43.420 communicating beyond words. Welcome to the podcast 00:01:43.420 --> 00:01:45.780 tonight, Pawprint Academy, episode five. We're 00:01:45.780 --> 00:01:52.480 crushing it. Hello, hello. Hello. Okay, the recap 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:57.319 on how this works is this is a podcast related 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.239 to dog training that is done with real -life 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.049 clients on the line. It's done in one take. from 00:02:04.049 --> 00:02:07.750 beginning to end, recorded live with real -life 00:02:07.750 --> 00:02:13.110 clients on the line. So tonight we're talking 00:02:13.110 --> 00:02:19.150 about body language. The core idea behind tonight's 00:02:19.150 --> 00:02:23.430 leadership call for Top Dog Training and the 00:02:23.430 --> 00:02:27.030 Pawprint Academy podcast is that dogs read body 00:02:27.030 --> 00:02:31.270 language and tone far more than the words that 00:02:31.270 --> 00:02:38.590 we speak. And clear and consistent nonverbal 00:02:38.590 --> 00:02:41.550 communication builds stronger leadership and 00:02:41.550 --> 00:02:50.090 trust in us from our dogs. Case in point, when 00:02:50.090 --> 00:02:55.169 we say things all throughout the day, when does 00:02:55.169 --> 00:02:58.469 the dog know when to listen to us and when to 00:02:58.469 --> 00:03:03.449 tune us out? 98 % of the language that we use, 00:03:03.569 --> 00:03:06.090 the dog's going to tune out. Yeah. And they have 00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:09.030 to because they don't speak English and we babble 00:03:09.030 --> 00:03:11.610 all throughout the day. We're on the phone. We're 00:03:11.610 --> 00:03:14.669 watching the TV. We're listening to podcasts 00:03:14.669 --> 00:03:18.650 maybe. And there are things going on all throughout 00:03:18.650 --> 00:03:20.509 the day that the dog's hearing. They have no 00:03:20.509 --> 00:03:24.830 idea what is going on. Yeah. And if they don't 00:03:24.830 --> 00:03:27.629 learn to tune that out, that's where you get 00:03:27.629 --> 00:03:29.430 dogs that are like super anxious because they're 00:03:29.430 --> 00:03:31.460 like, I have no idea what you're saying. Right. 00:03:31.539 --> 00:03:33.960 They're trying to figure it out. Right. All the 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:38.460 time. So we typically, even though dog senses 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:45.500 go in order of scent, then hearing, then visual, 00:03:45.620 --> 00:03:52.099 right? In order of strength. And we typically 00:03:52.099 --> 00:03:56.240 condition our dogs to go out of that order, right? 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:01.150 Looking for visual cues. oftentimes first before 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:04.090 anything else then auditory and then sometimes 00:04:04.090 --> 00:04:10.330 we throw in this scent stuff like it's a um like 00:04:10.330 --> 00:04:14.430 a reward or something yeah and a lot of times 00:04:14.430 --> 00:04:19.029 that's just not how dogs learn so um when we 00:04:19.029 --> 00:04:21.709 get into the communication styles and the languages 00:04:21.709 --> 00:04:26.110 that dogs like naturally learn the reason why 00:04:26.110 --> 00:04:31.000 all dogs can or why we can use food luring so 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.819 successfully is because of that scent strength. 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.480 And then we can build in some auditory cues and 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.720 get the dog to kind of understand. And then we 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:47.779 can finally give them some visual cues. And if 00:04:47.779 --> 00:04:51.519 we build off of that, we use the dog's natural 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:56.040 like strengths for the dog's benefit. Yep. So 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.680 that's what we're going to break down tonight. 00:04:58.899 --> 00:05:04.639 Our first point is that the dogs follow. So by 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:06.819 the way that I just explained it, dogs follow 00:05:06.819 --> 00:05:10.759 what they see, not what they hear. Now that might 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:14.360 not be what you want, but it's typically what 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:20.779 is conditioned in a normal household. And so 00:05:20.779 --> 00:05:25.399 your posture, your movements. Like the energy 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.839 that you communicate with your dog, it translates 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:33.439 a lot more than just your commands. And a lot 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:39.339 of times owners will jump in and be like, all 00:05:39.339 --> 00:05:42.459 of the sudden, to the dog, right? Not to us. 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:44.839 We understand kind of like the sequence of events 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:49.100 here. But a dog is just chilling out, relaxing. 00:05:49.949 --> 00:05:51.649 thinking about that squirrel that they really 00:05:51.649 --> 00:05:54.449 want to chase eventually here and then all of 00:05:54.449 --> 00:05:59.189 a sudden we jump in with um you know fido come 00:05:59.189 --> 00:06:05.129 uh and and they're like wait what that why how 00:06:05.129 --> 00:06:12.970 what's going on so how can we do better than 00:06:12.970 --> 00:06:15.529 that right um how can we do better than just 00:06:15.529 --> 00:06:20.430 surprising them with a random command right That's 00:06:20.430 --> 00:06:25.649 kind of what we're talking about tonight. So 00:06:25.649 --> 00:06:31.269 when we get into the actual training of a dog, 00:06:31.449 --> 00:06:35.490 let's use something super easy like sit. That's 00:06:35.490 --> 00:06:39.589 usually, in our experience, sit is like the number 00:06:39.589 --> 00:06:42.569 one thing that people immediately go to because 00:06:42.569 --> 00:06:46.389 all dogs, like for their owners to feel like 00:06:46.389 --> 00:06:49.180 their dog is smart. they have to be able to sit. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:53.319 I don't know why sit is the requirement, right? 00:06:53.420 --> 00:06:57.019 The next one is shake, right? Yeah, always. Everybody 00:06:57.019 --> 00:06:58.959 wants their dog to shake. Everyone wants their 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:04.579 dog to sit and shake. It's not the perfect order, 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:12.259 but it is the most common that I see. So we're 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.959 going to talk about sit. When we teach a dog 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:20.360 to sit, You need to ask yourself, is the dog, 00:07:20.379 --> 00:07:23.240 a dog that can sit, once you teach them that, 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:28.300 is the dog sitting because you said sit? Really? 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:31.439 Right. Or is the dog sitting because you bent 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.459 over towards them? Right. Or is the dog sitting 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:37.139 because you raised your hand up? Yeah. Is the 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:39.259 dog sitting because you have a treat and you 00:07:39.259 --> 00:07:41.819 held it over their head and that gives them the 00:07:41.819 --> 00:07:44.860 best vantage point of the treat to see which 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:48.040 way it's going to go? Right. Right. When you 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.459 start asking yourself that and you start kind 00:07:50.459 --> 00:07:55.240 of dialing that in, you might find that the answer 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.339 to that question is not what you think. Right. 00:07:57.379 --> 00:07:59.339 Because if you just stand there like a plank 00:07:59.339 --> 00:08:02.259 and don't move your hands, your head, do anything 00:08:02.259 --> 00:08:06.720 and just say, sit. Does your dog sit? Because 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.639 if not, your dog doesn't know what sit means. 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:12.579 Right. It's following something else that you 00:08:12.579 --> 00:08:16.300 do along with the sit. Yes. And. My point that 00:08:16.300 --> 00:08:21.100 I made earlier here about the mismatch in cues 00:08:21.100 --> 00:08:28.819 versus the strength of those senses is that we 00:08:28.819 --> 00:08:32.179 typically condition a dog to be more visual and 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:35.559 rely more on their vision, which is third ranked 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:40.440 down in the strength of their senses. But we 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.970 teach them that... Their vision should be the 00:08:44.970 --> 00:08:49.490 strongest. And so what that does is, one, to 00:08:49.490 --> 00:08:53.009 a certain degree, it doesn't prepare the dog 00:08:53.009 --> 00:08:59.090 to as confidently interact with you. But the 00:08:59.090 --> 00:09:00.789 second thing that it does is it makes them very 00:09:00.789 --> 00:09:02.990 visually dependent. And they have these other 00:09:02.990 --> 00:09:05.610 senses that are really, or senses, I keep saying 00:09:05.610 --> 00:09:08.289 scent, I don't know why. They have these other 00:09:08.289 --> 00:09:10.350 senses that are really, really strong that we 00:09:10.350 --> 00:09:18.220 can take advantage of. yeah okay um so before 00:09:18.220 --> 00:09:25.200 we even go into this um what what what's the 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:30.100 right way to do this um when when i talk when 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:32.899 i teach a client about the languages that the 00:09:32.899 --> 00:09:35.080 dog speaks and the order that we should teach 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:40.960 them in i highly highly recommend that we teach 00:09:41.419 --> 00:09:46.440 food luring first right long before sit long 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.019 before shake just teach your dog i'm giving you 00:09:51.019 --> 00:09:53.120 the answer up front before we even really ask 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.279 the questions here but um but i highly recommend 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.179 that the first thing that you teach your dog 00:09:58.179 --> 00:10:03.000 is how to follow food how to follow and lure 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.779 to to that food what that does is it it's so 00:10:07.779 --> 00:10:10.620 natural for the dog to follow their nose yeah 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.259 So it gives them something that they can do successfully 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:17.139 right off the bat that doesn't use any words 00:10:17.139 --> 00:10:19.700 and they don't have to rely on their eyes to 00:10:19.700 --> 00:10:23.279 do it. And that's why a dog will succeed at it 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.460 right off the bat. And so it's one of these like 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:29.419 very natural cues that natural languages that 00:10:29.419 --> 00:10:32.340 we can use to train our dogs, get them to start 00:10:32.340 --> 00:10:37.480 to follow the scent of this yummy treat. Okay. 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:45.299 The next language is like a placeholder. So we're 00:10:45.299 --> 00:10:47.279 going to come back to this for a second. But 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.559 the next language is leash pressure that we're 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.580 going to teach a dog. But not for the reason 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:57.340 that you think. The final language that we're 00:10:57.340 --> 00:11:01.580 going to teach the dog is our verbal cues. And 00:11:01.580 --> 00:11:07.240 then way down the line, once we get those down. 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.480 Then we start to visually condition the dog with 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.159 these like hand signals and stuff. We can build 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.419 off of that. But the first three languages are 00:11:16.419 --> 00:11:19.759 food luring, leash pressure, and then verbal 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.220 cues. Now, we've talked about the two on the 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:28.500 outside, right? And this Oreo kind of metric 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:31.559 here. But this leash pressure on the inside, 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.200 why do we use the leash pressure? And why is 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.500 that more important than the verbal? Oh, me. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.080 Right. I was interested. I'm like asking like 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:43.600 someone's going to answer, but I've actually 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.220 muted all the participants so they can't. I'm 00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:50.059 sorry. I'm like staring at you like you're going 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.919 to answer. So the reason we use leash pressure 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:55.860 is a couple of fold. One, it gives us a nonverbal 00:11:55.860 --> 00:12:01.419 cue to break through all sorts of other mismatches 00:12:01.419 --> 00:12:04.429 in language. And the other really important thing 00:12:04.429 --> 00:12:08.350 is that leash laws are in effect almost everywhere. 00:12:08.850 --> 00:12:11.450 You're going to have to have your dog on a leash 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:14.110 at some point. You might as well teach them with 00:12:14.110 --> 00:12:17.830 a pretty high degree of accuracy how to respond 00:12:17.830 --> 00:12:20.950 to those leash cues because they're always going 00:12:20.950 --> 00:12:23.009 to be on a leash. And so that's why we use that. 00:12:23.809 --> 00:12:28.190 If you own... you know, 90 acres of property 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:29.909 and they're, your dog is never going to be on 00:12:29.909 --> 00:12:31.730 a leash. It doesn't make sense to teach them 00:12:31.730 --> 00:12:34.889 leash pressure or any leash skills because they're 00:12:34.889 --> 00:12:37.809 never going to be on it. Right. So, uh, but in 00:12:37.809 --> 00:12:43.090 the conversation of, um, I guess for our podcast 00:12:43.090 --> 00:12:45.769 for, for paw print Academy, we are talking to. 00:12:47.059 --> 00:12:51.659 The normal average dog owner and law abiding 00:12:51.659 --> 00:12:54.460 citizen that wants to take their dog to like 00:12:54.460 --> 00:12:58.259 local dog spots. And so they're going to need 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:01.399 to be on a leash. And when they're on a leash, 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.700 we're going to want them to know how to how to 00:13:04.700 --> 00:13:06.559 work with that. So that's why it comes second. 00:13:07.659 --> 00:13:12.000 OK, so I don't go too far down the rabbit hole. 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.519 Now I've explained those three languages and. 00:13:16.089 --> 00:13:19.409 And the reason that we teach them in that order 00:13:19.409 --> 00:13:24.649 is the order of importance and the order of, 00:13:24.669 --> 00:13:28.429 I guess, the speed at which the dog will typically 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:33.049 pick up on those things, right? Touching a dog, 00:13:33.149 --> 00:13:35.070 which is what we're using as the leash, the leash 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:38.809 just expands our reach, right? But touching those 00:13:38.809 --> 00:13:41.350 tactile cues are going to be much quicker for 00:13:41.350 --> 00:13:44.700 the dog to pick up on than verbal. cues verbal 00:13:44.700 --> 00:13:48.179 cues are hard because they're they're sound oriented 00:13:48.179 --> 00:13:50.700 they're tone oriented they're volume oriented 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:52.820 right there's a lot of variables that go in here 00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:55.080 and so that's why it's the hardest language for 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.299 the dog to pick up on and truly understand now 00:13:58.299 --> 00:14:01.279 i'm not saying that the dogs aren't going to 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.659 understand it right but it is more complicated 00:14:04.659 --> 00:14:07.299 to them than just following their nose and it's 00:14:07.299 --> 00:14:10.539 more complicated to them than just feeling pressure 00:14:10.539 --> 00:14:14.059 on their body Or on their neck if they're wearing 00:14:14.059 --> 00:14:17.379 a collar or something like that. Okay. So now 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:20.000 we've explained the why. And I've given you the 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:25.500 answer to the next kind of points here. So by 00:14:25.500 --> 00:14:29.419 using inconsistent body language, we're going 00:14:29.419 --> 00:14:33.120 to confuse our dog. Because even when the words 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.500 are right, you are using this like inconsistent 00:14:37.500 --> 00:14:42.000 like body pressure. Dogs communicate through 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.720 spatial pressure way more than they communicate 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:49.919 through anything else. When a dog wants your 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.120 attention, what do they do? A lot of dogs just 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.139 come up and take it, right? They just come up 00:14:55.139 --> 00:14:58.259 and nudge you, push you, jump in your lap, jump 00:14:58.259 --> 00:15:01.139 up on you. A lot of those are the negative ones 00:15:01.139 --> 00:15:05.779 that we don't want. But that's how a dog communicates 00:15:05.779 --> 00:15:07.360 because they can't just talk to you and be like, 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:12.090 hey, Pete, can you? Give me some pets, right? 00:15:12.450 --> 00:15:15.889 So they're going to communicate through that 00:15:15.889 --> 00:15:21.289 spatial pressure. And when you see two dogs playing, 00:15:21.850 --> 00:15:24.929 right? Why do the dogs, they get up super close 00:15:24.929 --> 00:15:27.470 to each other and their heads go like slightly 00:15:27.470 --> 00:15:30.250 past each other, right? So their like noses are 00:15:30.250 --> 00:15:31.830 like past each other and their heads are past 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:34.070 each other. Everyone's seen this. Like if you 00:15:34.070 --> 00:15:39.230 haven't, look up like two dogs playing. on youtube 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:41.809 and you're gonna see it uh they get super close 00:15:41.809 --> 00:15:43.549 to each other and then they like freeze yeah 00:15:43.549 --> 00:15:45.590 but they're right in each other's space they're 00:15:45.590 --> 00:15:50.269 right there and they're like you can feel the 00:15:50.269 --> 00:15:53.129 energy building right it's that spatial pressure 00:15:53.129 --> 00:15:56.610 that they're putting on each other to start something 00:15:56.610 --> 00:16:00.450 and then all of a sudden one dog breaks it and 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:08.490 then off they go yeah so we can we can inadvertently 00:16:08.490 --> 00:16:14.169 trigger that type of reaction. Not that your 00:16:14.169 --> 00:16:16.149 dog is going to go off the reservation here, 00:16:16.230 --> 00:16:19.370 but that we can inadvertently communicate the 00:16:19.370 --> 00:16:22.450 wrong thing to our dogs if we're not conscious 00:16:22.450 --> 00:16:25.730 of what we're doing with our body. And that's 00:16:25.730 --> 00:16:30.529 the whole point here. So by using confident posture, 00:16:30.809 --> 00:16:34.429 we can build authority without needing to use 00:16:34.429 --> 00:16:37.360 constant corrections. One of the first things 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.940 that we see dog owners do, and I'm going to try 00:16:40.940 --> 00:16:42.940 to pass this off so I don't just monologue here 00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:46.980 forever, but I've got a lot of points here. One 00:16:46.980 --> 00:16:48.779 of the first things that we see dog owners do 00:16:48.779 --> 00:16:51.340 when we take a dog in, we do an in -home integration 00:16:51.340 --> 00:16:54.299 type training where we keep the dog for a couple 00:16:54.299 --> 00:16:56.539 of weeks and we train the dog and we bring it 00:16:56.539 --> 00:16:58.759 back. We give it to the owners and we teach them 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.799 how to work with their dog. One of the first 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:06.190 things that we. see those owners do are like 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:09.950 well well how do i work this yeah but like do 00:17:09.950 --> 00:17:14.650 i do i right is it like uh um the reins like 00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:17.930 on a on a horse right it's like do i do i yeah 00:17:17.930 --> 00:17:21.069 do i snap this do i not you're like no just just 00:17:21.069 --> 00:17:24.769 go just do do what you are doing because the 00:17:24.769 --> 00:17:27.509 whole point what takes the most time is just 00:17:27.509 --> 00:17:30.650 teaching your dog to just follow your lead yeah 00:17:31.609 --> 00:17:34.289 Yeah, because if you stand there and you're moving 00:17:34.289 --> 00:17:37.170 the leash around and you're wrapping it and the 00:17:37.170 --> 00:17:39.730 dog is just standing there kind of waiting and 00:17:39.730 --> 00:17:43.930 looking for a direction, but you're standing 00:17:43.930 --> 00:17:47.029 there, the dog at that point is like, well, what 00:17:47.029 --> 00:17:49.309 is going on? What are we doing? Even though the 00:17:49.309 --> 00:17:51.210 dog can't ask you that, the dog is trying to 00:17:51.210 --> 00:17:55.009 figure out what to do. And if you just walk, 00:17:55.329 --> 00:17:57.549 the dog's going to get to the end of the leash 00:17:57.549 --> 00:18:00.930 and go, oh, oh, we're moving now. And the dog's 00:18:00.930 --> 00:18:03.789 just going to walk with you. Because that's what 00:18:03.789 --> 00:18:06.230 it's looking for is direction and guidance. And 00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:09.910 you and that leash are what that exactly is. 00:18:10.309 --> 00:18:15.589 Yeah. Yep. So overuse of words can also dilute 00:18:15.589 --> 00:18:20.490 the impact when your body cues say the opposite 00:18:20.490 --> 00:18:23.230 thing. Right. It's like if you're nervous and 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.700 you're trying to be confident. But like your 00:18:25.700 --> 00:18:27.819 body is showing that you're nervous. Everybody 00:18:27.819 --> 00:18:30.019 knows that you're nervous. Hey, relax, relax, 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.500 relax. And you're like, the dog's like, no, no, 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.660 you are not relaxed. Or if you're like, yeah, 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.660 I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. But you're sweating 00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:39.240 and your face is red. It's like everybody knows 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:41.859 you're not fine. It's like trying to fake confidence. 00:18:42.420 --> 00:18:50.589 Yeah. That you don't have. So. The first question, 00:18:51.069 --> 00:18:53.710 and I really want to get to the bottom of this 00:18:53.710 --> 00:18:55.650 subject because we've kind of danced around it 00:18:55.650 --> 00:18:59.970 with a couple of these points. What's an example? 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:03.910 What's an example of a client whose words said 00:19:03.910 --> 00:19:05.869 one thing and the body language said another? 00:19:07.390 --> 00:19:10.369 Raul, you got one? Yeah. I've got a couple. Go 00:19:10.369 --> 00:19:13.910 ahead. I have everyone ever. It's like the dog 00:19:13.910 --> 00:19:16.950 jumping up on you, but you're bending down with 00:19:16.950 --> 00:19:20.650 your arms outreached. right and then you're like 00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:24.089 no yeah no no jumping no jumping but you're reaching 00:19:24.089 --> 00:19:25.930 out and touching the dog while you're saying 00:19:25.930 --> 00:19:29.250 no stop jumping right that's the hardest one 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:33.650 to to understand that you're doing until somebody 00:19:33.650 --> 00:19:35.230 tells you you're doing that and then you're like 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:38.430 oh right because just because you're touching 00:19:38.430 --> 00:19:40.549 your dog or even if you're like holding them 00:19:40.549 --> 00:19:42.730 in place i've seen that too where you're like 00:19:42.730 --> 00:19:45.930 someone's like no don't jump and they're like 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:49.750 holding the dog not like rough but like just 00:19:49.750 --> 00:19:52.430 right just keeping the dog from jumping by holding 00:19:52.430 --> 00:19:55.049 them down but you're touching them right it's 00:19:55.049 --> 00:19:57.609 like a hand and so the dogs are like yeah spatial 00:19:57.609 --> 00:20:01.769 pressure yeah i wanted to be close to you exactly 00:20:01.769 --> 00:20:05.690 right and and it's like well that's that's part 00:20:05.690 --> 00:20:08.190 of your problem yeah you're telling them no but 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:10.240 you're giving them what they want Right. Kids 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.180 are the worst at that. It's like they have the 00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:14.059 little magic fingers. The spirit fingers. Yeah, 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:15.579 the spirit fingers. And they start moving their 00:20:15.579 --> 00:20:17.079 hands and the dogs are like, oh my God, oh my 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.539 God, oh my God, oh my God. They're like, I can't 00:20:19.539 --> 00:20:21.380 stop looking at the hands. And it's like, stop 00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:25.680 moving your hands. Put them down. Yeah, absolutely. 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:31.000 Crazy fingers. Okay, so the other one that I 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:36.839 was thinking of was inevitably down. When people 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:43.220 try to train their dog. down yeah they almost 00:20:43.220 --> 00:20:48.059 always either point down while they say down 00:20:48.059 --> 00:20:53.299 yep or they bend over yeah right and they're 00:20:53.299 --> 00:20:57.000 like down and then they they bend over to like 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.440 get closer to the ground and when you do that 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.519 you're not really teaching the dog what down 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.160 means they're watching your body and then they're 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.410 they're like oh Get low because he's like getting 00:21:11.410 --> 00:21:16.609 close. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So that's kind of what 00:21:16.609 --> 00:21:18.390 we're what we're talking about here is when. 00:21:19.450 --> 00:21:22.390 When you run into an issue with like, well, I 00:21:22.390 --> 00:21:25.269 just don't understand why my dog doesn't seem 00:21:25.269 --> 00:21:28.089 to listen if I just stay still. And that's the 00:21:28.089 --> 00:21:32.450 test. The test of if your dog is if you are doing 00:21:32.450 --> 00:21:38.869 this or not is stand perfectly still. don't eat 00:21:38.869 --> 00:21:43.329 like just look at your dog only make eye contact 00:21:43.329 --> 00:21:48.869 and then say sit or down or place or whatever 00:21:48.869 --> 00:21:52.930 it is and if the dog doesn't do it yeah then 00:21:52.930 --> 00:21:57.250 you need to investigate what the real cue is 00:21:57.250 --> 00:22:01.549 and there is definitely a difference between 00:22:01.549 --> 00:22:06.190 like helping your dog along as you're training 00:22:07.969 --> 00:22:15.430 And testing protocol, right? It's not a problem 00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:22.049 to build in movement and even reward dogs with 00:22:22.049 --> 00:22:25.049 movement, right? That can even be a reward. But 00:22:25.049 --> 00:22:29.049 it's not a problem to use movement as long as 00:22:29.049 --> 00:22:33.289 you're aware that you're doing it. Yep. This, 00:22:33.329 --> 00:22:39.640 like, I guess. major point here is related to 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:45.119 not realizing that you're doing it yeah and when 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.799 you don't realize that you're doing it maybe 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.700 you're setting yourself back and and you're creating 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:55.200 more stress and strife for yourself than you 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:00.000 even realize that you're doing so isolate those 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.529 things the way that that that i do it when i 00:23:04.529 --> 00:23:08.809 am we've talked about markers right episode three 00:23:08.809 --> 00:23:11.589 was all about markers yeah maybe it was two i 00:23:11.589 --> 00:23:15.769 think it was two um when we talk about markers 00:23:15.769 --> 00:23:19.289 a marker is supposed to mark the exact moment 00:23:19.289 --> 00:23:23.529 that the dog did what we wanted them to do if 00:23:23.529 --> 00:23:29.910 i mark and then reward a dog i have to remain 00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:33.019 perfectly still for that moment that i use the 00:23:33.019 --> 00:23:37.779 marker otherwise i am not clearly loading or 00:23:37.779 --> 00:23:40.819 charging is what we call it in the dog training 00:23:40.819 --> 00:23:44.839 space i'm not properly charging that marker right 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:49.880 with the verbal cue we use yes and free for treat 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:54.180 markers and if i give the dog free at the same 00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:58.509 time as i move away from them These dogs that 00:23:58.509 --> 00:24:01.630 we have conditioned to be visual creatures are 00:24:01.630 --> 00:24:06.049 going to see the movement and focus on that far 00:24:06.049 --> 00:24:10.650 and away before they pay attention to the fact 00:24:10.650 --> 00:24:16.609 that I said free. And so then, and the way that 00:24:16.609 --> 00:24:19.490 we test it, right? Stand perfectly still, free. 00:24:19.670 --> 00:24:22.109 That dog should move towards you. And if they 00:24:22.109 --> 00:24:25.069 don't, well, then you know that. you've attached 00:24:25.069 --> 00:24:27.730 some other sort of meaning or other sort of definition 00:24:27.730 --> 00:24:32.750 there. All right. How do you coach owners to 00:24:32.750 --> 00:24:34.829 use posture and presence to guide their dog? 00:24:36.930 --> 00:24:44.809 The way that I do it is I strongly encourage 00:24:44.809 --> 00:24:49.890 them to stand straight up and not move while 00:24:49.890 --> 00:24:53.599 they talk and just count to one. And then move. 00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:59.180 So sit. The dog sits. As soon as their butt hits 00:24:59.180 --> 00:25:02.759 the ground, I say yes if it's a continuation 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:07.099 marker. Free if it's a terminal. Say free. And 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:11.500 then just a half second pause. And then I move 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:15.960 backwards away from the dog. And I then go into 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.819 my treat pouch in order to get a treat. And that's 00:25:19.819 --> 00:25:24.869 how I do it. What simple body language adjustment 00:25:24.869 --> 00:25:30.730 has the biggest impact on leadership? I would 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:34.609 say hand position. Yeah. Yep. Right. Keeping 00:25:34.609 --> 00:25:37.950 your hands at your side because dogs also inevitably 00:25:37.950 --> 00:25:42.710 pet dogs are very much conditioned to watch your 00:25:42.710 --> 00:25:44.849 hands. That's where all the good stuff comes 00:25:44.849 --> 00:25:48.130 from. Also the taking us taking space when jumping. 00:25:48.589 --> 00:25:52.019 Okay. That's a big one too. It's like once owners 00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:54.819 start, like, stepping into dogs that jump because 00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:57.259 that's our number one, like, go -to. Excuse me. 00:25:59.740 --> 00:26:02.460 That's always our number one go -to is when a 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:05.660 dog jumps, it's like you step forward. And most 00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:08.579 people naturally and, like, just instinctually 00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:11.799 step backwards to let the dog land back on its 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.519 feet. that teaches the dog just to jump back 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.759 into you every time because they take your space 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.039 every time whereas if you turn around and start 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.440 stepping into it and kind of pushing them and 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.259 nudging them back they learn man every time i 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:27.599 jump they take my space away i'm gonna i'm gonna 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.140 stop doing that yeah number one way to like help 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:35.420 with that right and and that way it also keeps 00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:41.539 you very um It keeps you very, very high up on 00:26:41.539 --> 00:26:45.839 the hierarchy of ethical training where you're 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.920 not doing anything aversive. You're just controlling 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.339 your own space. And I think that's really, really 00:26:53.339 --> 00:27:01.460 important. Yeah. All right. So point two, tone 00:27:01.460 --> 00:27:07.299 of voice shapes behavior and dogs respond. to 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:12.079 tone before they process the meaning so the way 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.859 that you say it matters more than the words so 00:27:14.859 --> 00:27:22.819 the tone right you can be like no no right right 00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:28.900 but you're like no or no yeah those are all very 00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:32.400 different yep um and the tone of voice that you 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.799 use is important now you can train your dog absolutely 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:42.519 To respond to no, no, no. That's fine. You can 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.619 totally do that. But you have to understand that 00:27:44.619 --> 00:27:48.099 the tone of voice that you use is very specific 00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:51.960 to the meaning the dog attaches to it. Yep. So 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.960 consistency is key. Yeah. You have to do it the 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.460 same way every time. I don't care what the tone 00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:01.480 is. The dog will adjust to it. You can have a 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.240 strong tone, a weak tone, a whatever tone. Right. 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:09.220 But. I promise you that the dog does not understand 00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:13.380 the different or does not understand that no 00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:19.299 and no mean the same thing. Right. To them, it 00:28:19.299 --> 00:28:21.559 does not. Yeah. That's a different word. Yeah. 00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:24.720 So you've got to use your tone. You've got to 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.740 make your tone very consistent. You can use whatever 00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:30.339 you want, but just know that it is not the same. 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.259 It's not just about we in English. We have like. 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:40.599 97 words to mean the same thing um to dogs the 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.599 tone of voice that you say each one of those 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:48.819 97 things it means a whole nother thing yep yeah 00:28:48.819 --> 00:28:51.400 there's always like a difference in and we use 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.779 tone a lot in like the way we get dogs like excited 00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:57.539 because we're working with like an excited dog 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.200 Then in training, we have a lot of use a lot 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.319 of time, like more calm tones, more like relaxed, 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.519 like body postures and things like that. Or you're 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.839 going to amp that dog back up and it's impossible 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.019 to work with them. Whereas if you have like this 00:29:11.019 --> 00:29:14.079 low energy, relaxed dog, we have to use more 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.539 excited tones. We have to like be ecstatic with 00:29:17.539 --> 00:29:19.920 our movements and, and be all over the place 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.339 because we have to amp that dog up to work with 00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:23.900 us. Or it's going to be like, Oh, you're kind 00:29:23.900 --> 00:29:25.500 of boring. I don't really want to do that. It's 00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:29.700 fine. Right. And we can use we can adjust the 00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:35.180 tone even. I guess what I said earlier, right, 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.720 that the dog me that dog interprets it as a completely 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.720 different word. I would say it's not that's not 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.720 100 percent true. It doesn't mean that the dog 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.640 won't still respond to it, but there might respond 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.640 very differently. Yeah. And that's where we use 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:58.670 tone. So if I make. If I am trying to get the 00:29:58.670 --> 00:30:05.529 dog to recall away from a squirrel, then that 00:30:05.529 --> 00:30:07.730 dog has a very high drive and a very high prey 00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:12.769 drive. I don't think there's a single owner in 00:30:12.769 --> 00:30:17.549 the world that thinks that cum is going to do 00:30:17.549 --> 00:30:21.250 it. You've got to get some tone in there. You've 00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:26.130 got to be more exciting. Or more serious than 00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:29.309 the squirrel. Right. Right. You have to create 00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:33.029 a situation where that dog's like, oh, oh, yeah, 00:30:33.150 --> 00:30:36.170 yeah, yeah. I want to go over there instead. 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:38.509 Right. It goes back to like kids, right? If it's 00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:41.250 like if your kid's upstairs and you need them 00:30:41.250 --> 00:30:45.650 to come downstairs and it's like, hey, hey, hey. 00:30:46.349 --> 00:30:48.730 And the kid's just like, yeah, yeah. And it's 00:30:48.730 --> 00:30:52.470 like, hey, hey, hey. And eventually it's like. 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.720 hey and they're like oh oh oh sorry sorry uh 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.880 that's where your tone changes and the expectation 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:05.700 changes yeah right yeah tone of voice is real 00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:09.579 big um so high pitch tones often excite dogs 00:31:09.579 --> 00:31:13.180 and like low pitched calm tones usually settle 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:16.339 them not a hundred percent every dog is different 00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:21.579 but uh in general those are things that If I 00:31:21.579 --> 00:31:25.140 was to call out the average dog, that would be 00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:30.180 true. Angry or frantic tones can create anxiety 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:33.039 and resistance in the dog. It can make the dog 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.680 kind of want to like, fight you is a strong word, 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.779 right? But it can turn on the resistance in the 00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:46.779 dog's mind that they're like, maybe we're going 00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:50.059 to have an altercation rather than, oh, cool, 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.329 I'm just, going over there to to play a game 00:31:53.329 --> 00:31:58.250 or get a treat um also on the anxiety side right 00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:02.690 angry tones and like yelling can absolutely increase 00:32:02.690 --> 00:32:05.789 anxiety in the dog because they don't have a 00:32:05.789 --> 00:32:11.130 a way to match that tone and that energy um they 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:14.269 can't communicate verbally so that can build 00:32:14.269 --> 00:32:16.789 some frustration in the dog so we don't ever 00:32:16.789 --> 00:32:20.589 recommend that you ever yell at the dog use a 00:32:20.589 --> 00:32:24.369 strong tone but use a consistent tone more than 00:32:24.369 --> 00:32:30.589 anything yeah um right and then uh the other 00:32:30.589 --> 00:32:32.250 point that i had written down was consistency 00:32:32.250 --> 00:32:35.309 and tone builds that trust and so we kind of 00:32:35.309 --> 00:32:37.789 already segued into that so consistency in the 00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:40.569 tone builds trust and reliability in your commands 00:32:40.569 --> 00:32:47.900 and trust without trust and without the dog believing 00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:51.160 that like everything is congruent, right? That 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.619 is consistent across the board. That dog's going 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:57.319 to ask itself questions that you don't want it 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.859 to ask. Like maybe this isn't going to happen 00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.400 this time. Maybe it's not going to be the same 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.799 as it was last time. Maybe I should do something 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.640 different. And we don't want to give our dogs 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.200 the opportunity to like explore those thoughts. 00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:15.259 Right. We just want them to respond consistently. 00:33:17.609 --> 00:33:21.170 So how do we explain to owners that dogs hear 00:33:21.170 --> 00:33:29.809 tone before words? I mean, just explain it, I 00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:32.650 guess. I don't have a really, do you have a good 00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:35.349 example for that one? No, I mean, it's a difference 00:33:35.349 --> 00:33:41.549 of like, I'd compare it to like footsteps, right? 00:33:41.690 --> 00:33:44.009 So if it's like, if you hear somebody walking 00:33:44.009 --> 00:33:49.849 down the hallway and it's like, right that's 00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:52.869 pretty relaxed okay you can kind of tell like 00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:56.250 what type of like body language that person's 00:33:56.250 --> 00:33:59.250 gonna have oh i like but if you hear somebody 00:33:59.250 --> 00:34:05.130 going right that's more of like oh there's somebody 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:08.429 like hurrying they're frantic there's like anxiety 00:34:08.429 --> 00:34:10.670 there and there's like absolutely no language 00:34:10.670 --> 00:34:13.590 going on that's actually a right that is actually 00:34:13.590 --> 00:34:16.369 a great explanation because you can kind of pick 00:34:16.369 --> 00:34:19.210 up on the energy of that person right without 00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:22.269 before they even get there right yeah but both 00:34:22.269 --> 00:34:26.869 of the the i guess the uh the speed but also 00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:29.710 the intensity of the footsteps right right yeah 00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:34.329 yeah and so a lot of the time we rely and go 00:34:34.329 --> 00:34:36.690 back to like dogs can feel energy at the other 00:34:36.690 --> 00:34:40.989 end of that leash and you can you when we when 00:34:40.989 --> 00:34:43.570 we bring dogs back from like the in -home integration 00:34:43.570 --> 00:34:46.309 programs like you can kind of see it right because 00:34:46.309 --> 00:34:48.550 we've worked with that dog for like three four 00:34:48.550 --> 00:34:52.869 or five weeks and we when we go out on a walk 00:34:52.869 --> 00:34:57.679 we're on a walk right and And inevitably on walk 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.739 one of reintegrating them back into the home, 00:35:00.860 --> 00:35:02.900 it's like kind of messy and the dog is like, 00:35:02.980 --> 00:35:04.820 what's going on? Where are we? Like there's four 00:35:04.820 --> 00:35:07.400 people now out on this walk and like everybody's 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.360 looking at me. And it looks crazy to start off 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.260 with. And it's totally normal. The dog is in 00:35:15.260 --> 00:35:18.380 a different process than what it's been in. And 00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:21.340 there's not a real practice for going in and 00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:23.219 teaching the owners other than, hey, we're just 00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:25.079 going to do it. We're going to get through it. 00:35:25.550 --> 00:35:27.409 And, and it's going to get through a couple of 00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:29.889 passes and you're going to feel a lot more natural 00:35:29.889 --> 00:35:31.489 because like we said at the beginning of this 00:35:31.489 --> 00:35:33.289 episode, it's like they get the leash back and 00:35:33.289 --> 00:35:35.530 they're like, how do I work it? Do we put it 00:35:35.530 --> 00:35:38.389 in drive? Do I put it in like neutral? It's like, 00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:41.329 where, how fast do I go? It's like, where, what, 00:35:41.409 --> 00:35:44.269 where do I walk? But it's like, just go, just 00:35:44.269 --> 00:35:47.690 walk. Because what's your dog going to do? It's 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:48.949 going to be at the other leash and it's going 00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:51.369 to be like, oh, we're walking. And then it's 00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:54.760 just walking with you. Yeah. And if you look 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.760 back at that dog and you go, uh, where are we 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.460 going? The dog is like, well, I don't know. Like 00:36:01.460 --> 00:36:03.179 for three weeks, somebody told me where I was 00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:05.219 going. I don't know where we're going. You tell 00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:09.139 me. And so we just go, yeah, just, just take 00:36:09.139 --> 00:36:10.960 off, take off, go in whichever direction you 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:12.980 want to go. You tell us where we're going. And 00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:15.519 they're amazed. Yeah. And the dog's like, oh, 00:36:15.619 --> 00:36:17.639 okay. It just goes with me. It's like, right. 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.860 Yeah. It's your dog. And the dog will stop and 00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:23.260 I'll go, nope, let's go. That's like, I will 00:36:23.260 --> 00:36:25.880 say let's go more than any other words that I 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.559 say in like a training program because it is 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.940 a general go in the same direction with me. And 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:35.159 if anybody wants anything from their dog when 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.079 they are out walking them, it's to move in the 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.400 same direction as them. Is it move within six 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.349 feet of me? No, no, not necessarily. I don't 00:36:44.349 --> 00:36:47.269 really care. But if I'm going right, I want you 00:36:47.269 --> 00:36:49.090 to be going right. And if you stop and sniff, 00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:51.710 it's, hey, nope, let's go. We're still walking. 00:36:51.829 --> 00:36:53.929 I didn't stop to sniff anything. I don't need 00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:55.909 to sniff right now. When we get to somewhere 00:36:55.909 --> 00:36:58.329 else where we can, then we will go, okay, break. 00:36:58.710 --> 00:37:02.510 Right. And when your body language and your tone 00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:06.829 and your words all align. Yeah. All of a sudden, 00:37:06.869 --> 00:37:10.400 you get a dog that like learns super quick. and 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.820 they respect your leadership right and so these 00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:16.719 the the owners they're like well how how do i 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:23.300 do this well just just go yeah right just speak 00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:26.699 confidently just tell your dog what you want 00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:32.059 hey let's go yeah come with me right and so we 00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:35.840 usually try to keep words to a minimum and we 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.150 try to make the words that we use kind of general 00:37:40.150 --> 00:37:45.130 uh natural words right um and that's where we 00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:48.969 use like let's go a lot because it's it's just 00:37:48.969 --> 00:37:52.409 kind of natural if i was to tell a kid or another 00:37:52.409 --> 00:37:55.190 person right how are you going to tell another 00:37:55.190 --> 00:37:57.550 person that a we're going to walk this way exactly 00:37:57.550 --> 00:37:59.559 there's gonna be like Come on, let's go. Right. 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.400 If you're like walking through Walmart and your 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.960 kid goes to touch something in the aisle, it's 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.099 like, ah, let's go. Stop it. Let's go. Same thing. 00:38:06.139 --> 00:38:09.000 Right. It's the same thing. Absolutely. So mismatched 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.579 signals slow the learning down. Right. And clear 00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:17.820 signals speed it up. Silent leadership with posture 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:23.659 and tone often outperform constant commands. 00:38:23.980 --> 00:38:27.760 So if you're the owners that we see have the. 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.480 biggest problems are the ones that are trying 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.820 to use their words to control their dog more 00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:36.079 than they're just using their body language. 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.659 Yeah. Because your dog doesn't speak English. 00:38:38.739 --> 00:38:40.619 It doesn't matter if they're in our program for 00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:43.360 three weeks, five weeks, 10 weeks, 100 weeks. 00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:46.699 It does not matter. The dog's still not going 00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:50.639 to come back speaking English. And so you cannot, 00:38:50.659 --> 00:38:58.050 you cannot just come. No, sit. Sit. Right here 00:38:58.050 --> 00:39:02.610 on the side. Heel. Turn around. Come back. Let's 00:39:02.610 --> 00:39:05.949 go. That's just a lot of confusion. I would be 00:39:05.949 --> 00:39:09.929 confused on a leash and I speak English. So instead, 00:39:10.349 --> 00:39:14.190 keep the words to a minimum. Use your body language 00:39:14.190 --> 00:39:16.929 and just show the dog what you want by going 00:39:16.929 --> 00:39:21.130 in a direction. Yeah. Way more successful. Yep. 00:39:22.409 --> 00:39:27.940 All right. What would you recommend? to help 00:39:27.940 --> 00:39:33.360 owners practice aligning tone posture and like 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:39.500 their commands and stuff i feel like heel is 00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:41.599 always like a really good one to practice for 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.400 like teaching body language and like mellowing 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.019 it out because it's one of the ones where we 00:39:48.019 --> 00:39:50.119 build in a lot of movement to teach the dog where 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.219 we want it where we do like we do a lot of of 00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:56.639 of guiding them with body language with that 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.940 one because we want the dog to come back behind 00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:02.860 us circle around and then come up to our side 00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:10.039 and that is not done at all to any degree by 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.539 standing still from the get -go and so with that 00:40:13.539 --> 00:40:16.559 one that's always one that i encourage people 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.860 to to try doing like with body language and then 00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:22.519 kind of just filtering it out where you start 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.820 giving them less and less movement and and see 00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:27.719 how far your dog can get right it doesn't have 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.559 to be like this strict training session like 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.139 make it a make it a fun trick and and something 00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:34.619 that you just do with your dog it's just fading 00:40:34.619 --> 00:40:37.000 out body language and seeing how good your dog 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.420 can get yeah and the way that i encourage it 00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:43.380 is like we work on tone first yeah right so just 00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:46.239 get real consistent yeah with you asking for 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.639 the behaviors or your corrections or whatever 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.809 it is that it is Whatever it is it is. Whatever 00:40:52.809 --> 00:40:56.670 you're telling the dog, say it in the same tone 00:40:56.670 --> 00:40:59.610 every time. Yeah. So that's the first one. We 00:40:59.610 --> 00:41:03.969 checked that box. Now stand still. Yeah. Stand 00:41:03.969 --> 00:41:10.070 still while you're talking and then move appropriately. 00:41:12.309 --> 00:41:15.929 And that hits kind of all three. Yeah. Just move 00:41:15.929 --> 00:41:20.159 where you're going. Mm -hmm. But when you're 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:25.199 telling the dog to do something, I guess we kind 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.840 of muddled these two, right? So there are obedience 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.820 commands that you're going to say while you're 00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:37.239 moving, right? That's like heal or hey, let's 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.500 go, right? You're usually moving while you do 00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:42.820 that. So I'm not talking about those specifically. 00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:46.510 Uh, when I say don't move, I mean, when you say 00:41:46.510 --> 00:41:49.090 sit, when you say down, that's the big one down, 00:41:49.170 --> 00:41:53.550 right? The non -movement ones stand still, then 00:41:53.550 --> 00:41:58.489 say down. And then if they don't respond, that's 00:41:58.489 --> 00:42:02.150 when you add the movement cue and then you point 00:42:02.150 --> 00:42:05.730 or then you lure them with food or then you give 00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:07.929 them leash pressure. right because inevitably 00:42:07.929 --> 00:42:10.289 it's like the person gets frustrated that they 00:42:10.289 --> 00:42:13.289 have to go down and the dog is like no and it's 00:42:13.289 --> 00:42:14.869 like you have to bend down at that point especially 00:42:14.869 --> 00:42:17.590 like smaller dogs it's like those are the ones 00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:20.010 that are really important yeah they hurt your 00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:23.070 back i'm like hey stand up stand up and do that 00:42:23.070 --> 00:42:27.070 a lot of the times like i will work my hardest 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:30.969 at trying to use my foot with the leash at that 00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:34.239 point is like a pulley system and like give them 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.300 the down with the leash pressure with my foot 00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:39.639 to avoid bending over so much because at that 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.460 point I then teach them down and then I start 00:42:43.460 --> 00:42:45.739 moving and then they just wait for that body 00:42:45.739 --> 00:42:47.940 language every single time. So it's always a 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:52.199 small dog that will learn down is when you bend 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.659 over and point to the ground or do something 00:42:55.659 --> 00:42:57.099 like that. What she's talking about is if you 00:42:57.099 --> 00:43:01.159 put your heel on the ground and you put your 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.179 toe over the leash. then you can pull up on the 00:43:05.179 --> 00:43:08.440 leash and it pulls down on the collar. Right. 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.099 But like all of that, we don't want to just stomp 00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:16.780 on the dog's leash. Yeah, yeah. What exercises, 00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:19.539 well, we talked about that. That was the other 00:43:19.539 --> 00:43:22.579 question. Sorry, we're getting to the end here. 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.130 Have you seen a dog improve instantly? When an 00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:30.230 owner fixed their nonverbal signals, I'm trying 00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:32.550 to think of. I feel like it's always the leash 00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:34.849 walking for me where it's like. It just snaps 00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.369 into place. Trying to get their dog to walk and 00:43:37.369 --> 00:43:39.369 they're pulling in every direction and it's like, 00:43:39.369 --> 00:43:41.789 hmm, that's weird. They don't do that, but it's 00:43:41.789 --> 00:43:44.750 like they're. They're walking super slow because 00:43:44.750 --> 00:43:47.190 they're trying to focus on what the dog is doing. 00:43:47.849 --> 00:43:51.309 And then they've got the leash inevitably reeled 00:43:51.309 --> 00:43:54.250 up into their hand because they're used to carrying 00:43:54.250 --> 00:43:56.969 the leash like that. And so the dog is already 00:43:56.969 --> 00:43:59.010 getting pressure and all these things. And it's 00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:00.610 like, why are we walking so slow? Where are we 00:44:00.610 --> 00:44:02.230 going? Which direction? And the owner doesn't 00:44:02.230 --> 00:44:04.190 know which direction because they're just looking 00:44:04.190 --> 00:44:06.690 at the dog and waiting to watch it not pull. 00:44:06.969 --> 00:44:09.929 And so when we're like, hey, just let that leash 00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:14.559 go, hold the end, and just go. And immediately 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.019 the dog is like, oh, I'm walking. I'm walking 00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:19.380 with you. Okay, we're going. And they're like, 00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:23.039 oh, that feels so different immediately. Yeah. 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.139 So how do you balance verbal cues versus like 00:44:27.139 --> 00:44:31.019 that silent leadership? Because there's like 00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:35.199 times that you want where I draw the line is 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.760 if the dog is like forging way up ahead. Yeah. 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.340 That's where I'm going to, I'm not going to just 00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:44.400 silently correct. Right. I'm going to full on 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.980 stop or turn around. Yeah. And I'd be like, no. 00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:52.260 And then leash pressure. Yep. No should predict 00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:57.360 that pressure just like yes predicts a treat. 00:44:57.539 --> 00:45:03.949 Yeah. You have more to add? Yeah, I think it 00:45:03.949 --> 00:45:06.030 just really for me depends on like the gravity 00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:07.989 of the situation, whether I'm going to use verbal 00:45:07.989 --> 00:45:10.650 or not. Also depends on how much stimulus is 00:45:10.650 --> 00:45:14.130 going on. So like when I take Gabe out in public, 00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:16.369 he's super fearful, gets overstimulated really 00:45:16.369 --> 00:45:19.630 easy for him. Like I just turn off verbally and 00:45:19.630 --> 00:45:22.570 I just use his leash and I'm just giving him 00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:24.489 like pressure to go into a sit, pressure to go 00:45:24.489 --> 00:45:27.630 into a down. And I just cut out verbals because 00:45:27.630 --> 00:45:29.869 at that point it's just going to be added static 00:45:29.869 --> 00:45:33.010 into all the crazy like static that's in his 00:45:33.010 --> 00:45:36.650 brain. And so we just go straight to pressure 00:45:36.650 --> 00:45:38.869 and he's like, yeah, okay, sit. Yep. Okay. Down. 00:45:39.010 --> 00:45:41.710 And he just knows what I'm asking at that point. 00:45:41.929 --> 00:45:45.250 Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to define it. Yeah. 00:45:45.309 --> 00:45:47.010 I really just think it depends on the situation 00:45:47.010 --> 00:45:50.039 and really. Really, what's going on? All right. 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.940 Listener projects. So every podcast, I give you 00:45:54.940 --> 00:45:57.820 guys two listener projects where it's basically 00:45:57.820 --> 00:46:01.320 like homework that you can try to apply to your 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.039 dog at home for anybody listening. Project number 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.920 one, silent leadership walk. So you're going 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.340 to take your dog on a short walk and using body 00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:16.719 movement and leash guidance only, no verbal cues. 00:46:17.739 --> 00:46:21.719 So notice how your posture and your pace influence 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:26.019 the dog's position and their focus on you. You 00:46:26.019 --> 00:46:30.059 may become a lot more interesting to your dog 00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:32.579 if you walk faster. Right. That's what I encourage 00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:35.019 people to like look at is like what is the natural 00:46:35.019 --> 00:46:37.780 pace of your dog? Every dog has a natural pace. 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:45.590 And if your dog is like a long legged. like australian 00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:48.170 shepherd they're known for like walking naturally 00:46:48.170 --> 00:46:53.579 like faster if you are just walking at like two 00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:55.659 miles an hour and that dog's natural pace is 00:46:55.659 --> 00:46:59.820 10 when you said a long legged i was not thinking 00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:02.539 australian shepherd i know i know you switched 00:47:02.539 --> 00:47:05.579 gears on me i did right but australian shepherd 00:47:05.579 --> 00:47:08.199 not really a long legged dog but do but they 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.559 do walk fast right it's like a doberman you know 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.920 it's like they have a long gait and so naturally 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.519 they're gonna walk faster so if you're like at 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.519 a crawl That dog is naturally going to be like, 00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:21.039 man, this is boring. They're going to start getting 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.579 stressed because they don't want to walk that 00:47:23.579 --> 00:47:26.980 slow. And you're going to have to find other 00:47:26.980 --> 00:47:29.679 ways to kind of gain some movement with your 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.880 dog in that way, whether it's like back and forth 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:35.820 and building more movement into that walk. But 00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:38.380 there's got to be for sure something that's done 00:47:38.380 --> 00:47:43.579 because a dog that can't walk that slow is never 00:47:43.579 --> 00:47:46.219 going to enjoy that walk or get what it needs. 00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:50.070 yeah definitely um so and the last piece to that 00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:54.210 so just add praise with a calm voice once the 00:47:54.210 --> 00:47:56.469 dog matches your movement right so like while 00:47:56.469 --> 00:47:58.889 they're doing the right thing just be hey good 00:47:58.889 --> 00:48:03.150 job good yeah and that's it don't reach down 00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:06.670 and pet don't like change things up don't even 00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:10.590 reward with food just a nice calm good just let 00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:12.289 them know that they're doing the right thing 00:48:12.289 --> 00:48:15.510 yeah but then play with it see if that doesn't 00:48:15.869 --> 00:48:18.909 improve some things between you two. Project 00:48:18.909 --> 00:48:23.130 number two, tone training. So pick three tones, 00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:27.650 calm praise, like a firm correction type of tone 00:48:27.650 --> 00:48:32.650 of voice and a neutral like delivery between 00:48:32.650 --> 00:48:38.510 like commands, right? So one calm, one firm and 00:48:38.510 --> 00:48:41.329 one somewhere in the middle. And then practice 00:48:41.329 --> 00:48:46.059 short drills where you use the tone only. To 00:48:46.059 --> 00:48:49.440 influence the behavior. Pair it with simple commands 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.239 like sit and down. Things that your dog already 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.699 knows. Don't try to train them with a new thing 00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:56.260 while you're trying to experiment with this. 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.500 Something that your dog already knows. And then 00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:02.360 reward the dog for responding correctly to the 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.420 tone and the body cues together. So that is our 00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:12.639 two projects there. So at this point I am going 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:19.900 to. Unmute our participants. There we go. Or 00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:23.199 at least allow them to unmute. And then this 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.059 is the chance that everyone has to ask questions. 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:32.360 So if anybody has any questions, now is your 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:53.320 chance. Question and answer time. Nothing, Heidi. 00:49:56.860 --> 00:50:00.559 I'm ready for it. Okay, I was listening to your 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.800 music. Yeah, I just thought it would be funny 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.360 to use it. It's funny because I was watching 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:10.340 Jeopardy! at night and I told Heidi I said we 00:50:10.340 --> 00:50:12.840 might want to record that for a podcast. Yeah, 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.409 it's perfect. Uh, one of the things that we've 00:50:17.409 --> 00:50:19.409 done with Maverick, which was probably wrong 00:50:19.409 --> 00:50:22.110 was we taught him to sit and then we taught him 00:50:22.110 --> 00:50:27.530 to down and now he will sit and then automatically 00:50:27.530 --> 00:50:32.909 go down. Okay. So how do we get him to do one 00:50:32.909 --> 00:50:35.489 or the other without doing both at the same time? 00:50:35.630 --> 00:50:39.710 Okay. So this is, this is, this is a great question. 00:50:39.889 --> 00:50:43.550 Um, so when we're doing, when we're training 00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:49.429 pet dogs, A lot of times we have to ask the question, 00:50:49.650 --> 00:50:57.710 what is, let me rephrase it differently. So a 00:50:57.710 --> 00:51:00.730 lot of owners wish that their dog would just 00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:05.809 go to a down. And so a lot of times we don't 00:51:05.809 --> 00:51:10.769 correct dogs that auto down because. it's still 00:51:10.769 --> 00:51:15.989 a positive behavior. Now, if you don't want your 00:51:15.989 --> 00:51:21.750 dog to go down, then you can use your body language 00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:25.030 and your body pressure in order to prevent that. 00:51:25.349 --> 00:51:29.710 And so what that would look like is if I, usually 00:51:29.710 --> 00:51:33.269 we use a food lure to sit, right? And so we bring 00:51:33.269 --> 00:51:36.329 the food up and their head comes up to follow 00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:40.420 the food and their butt goes down. At that point, 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.420 I can step towards the dog so that I'm very close 00:51:44.420 --> 00:51:47.699 to them and they can't slide into that down. 00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:53.460 And then I can reward, reward, reward, and show 00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:56.039 the dog that, hey, look, you're sitting, you're 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.360 doing the right thing. Here's all these rewards 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:03.030 because you're continuing to do it. Okay. Also, 00:52:03.110 --> 00:52:06.769 I want to mention that when we, a lot of the 00:52:06.769 --> 00:52:10.170 times in the homes that we kind of work in, they 00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:13.170 are, you're looking at like doing it with a dog 00:52:13.170 --> 00:52:16.150 on a hardwood floor a lot of the times. So if 00:52:16.150 --> 00:52:20.690 that is the case with this, I always see dogs 00:52:20.690 --> 00:52:23.409 that just naturally slide into a down because 00:52:23.409 --> 00:52:27.079 it is hard for them to hold a sit position. on 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.539 a surface that's kind of slippery so if he is 00:52:30.539 --> 00:52:32.760 doing it on a hardwood floor I would also look 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.980 at that as one of the things and we always will 00:52:35.980 --> 00:52:38.599 end up like rolling out like a rug to kind of 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.880 train dogs on because they will sit for a lot 00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.539 longer than if they are on like a harder surface 00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:48.619 where it's a little bit more difficult. There's 00:52:48.619 --> 00:52:51.280 a couple other little tricks that you can use. 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.599 You can have the dog sit on a smaller platform 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.460 that they can't. They don't have enough room 00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:03.579 to like down on. So if you like had a little 00:53:03.579 --> 00:53:06.980 square like platform or something, you can have 00:53:06.980 --> 00:53:09.119 him hop up there where he can kind of stand on 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:12.260 all fours and he can like pull his butt down 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:15.460 to the ground and sit on it. But he can't really 00:53:15.460 --> 00:53:18.800 lay down on it. And that is another way that 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.280 you can break that auto down. But once again, 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.599 I'll throw out there that most pet owners like 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:30.639 the auto down. And so it just comes down to like, 00:53:30.739 --> 00:53:34.280 is there a reason you don't want him to go down? 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:38.599 Because down is usually a more relaxed position. 00:53:38.860 --> 00:53:42.699 And anytime we can get a dog to relax more, it's 00:53:42.699 --> 00:53:46.400 usually better. uh okay that that doesn't mean 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.159 that you don't want to differentiate that it 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:53.239 really just comes down to owner preference right 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.480 now when we get ready to take him outside and 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.239 have him to sit before he goes outside he won't 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.440 lay down he'll just sit and he'll sit there and 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.300 he'll wait when you tell him stay and you walk 00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:07.059 outside and tell him free he'll come out very 00:54:07.059 --> 00:54:11.239 nice but uh If you go in the kitchen or come 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.460 in here with a treat in your hand and he sees 00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:15.960 it, he automatically sits and goes down. Gotcha. 00:54:16.059 --> 00:54:21.579 So that sounds like he's trying to predict what 00:54:21.579 --> 00:54:24.219 behavior you want in order to win the reward. 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.559 Right. And so sometimes we see dogs will perform 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:35.019 or exhibit like multiple behaviors. I'll sit 00:54:35.019 --> 00:54:37.260 and then I'll down and then I'll roll over and 00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:40.699 then I'll. Give a paw and then I'll spin around 00:54:40.699 --> 00:54:42.860 in a circle or whatever it is. They're like, 00:54:42.940 --> 00:54:46.239 I know you've got a treat. They just start offering 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:52.139 behaviors in order to try to get it. And so sometimes 00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:54.380 what you can do is you can block that by just 00:54:54.380 --> 00:54:57.579 being like, you know, sit. And then as soon as 00:54:57.579 --> 00:55:03.300 he goes down, just no. And that's it, right? 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.659 Just no. That's incorrect. And then you could 00:55:06.659 --> 00:55:09.460 move a little bit. So he, he moves with you, 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.579 get him back into a sit and then yes. And then 00:55:12.579 --> 00:55:14.719 you use that tone of voice that we were just 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.179 talking about to reinforce. Yes, that's the right 00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:21.599 thing. And if he auto downs, no, that's the wrong 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.280 thing. Okay. One of the biggest problems we're 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.039 having with him is when he gets something in 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.619 his mouth to get him to drop what's in his mouth, 00:55:31.659 --> 00:55:35.639 we have to pry his mouth open. He caught a rabbit, 00:55:35.739 --> 00:55:39.780 a baby rabbit last week. Oh, Lord. But, I mean, 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.639 he's got a real soft mouth. He got one of Heidi's 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.079 eggs out of her chicken coop and run around the 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:46.719 yard with it and never broke it until he got 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.059 it out of his mouth. But he does not want to 00:55:50.059 --> 00:55:51.840 release something once he gets it in his mouth. 00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:55.699 Have you had any success with trading him something 00:55:55.699 --> 00:56:00.900 else of high value? Yes. He's got a one -track 00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:06.739 mind. Okay. All right. So, right. And so he comes 00:56:06.739 --> 00:56:11.960 to us on the first, right? Correct. So, right. 00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:14.420 So we will. How did he get to a baby rabbit? 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.539 Did he catch it? He was. That's impressive. The 00:56:19.539 --> 00:56:22.000 rabbit had a little nest with little rabbits 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.280 out here in the field behind the house. Gotcha. 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.699 Yeah, you have a lot of land. Yes, he went out 00:56:28.699 --> 00:56:35.489 there. Grab hold of the rabbit. So this starts 00:56:35.489 --> 00:56:40.449 at a more basic level than just, hey, just let 00:56:40.449 --> 00:56:44.309 this go. And it's going to start by us teaching 00:56:44.309 --> 00:56:49.929 him to get things and then also to come back 00:56:49.929 --> 00:56:52.909 to us for rewards. And we're going to build that 00:56:52.909 --> 00:56:56.909 pattern up until it's really exciting, that whole 00:56:56.909 --> 00:56:59.679 event. of like going and getting something and 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:03.199 then bringing it back or just returning back 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.139 to us. We're going to build enough excitement 00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:09.300 with that that it becomes a pattern. Then we'll 00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:13.500 give him something to go get that's not just 00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:15.840 food, right? So that he goes and he gets it. 00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:19.739 And then as he brings it back, his pattern is 00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:24.480 to come back to us for the thing that we're going 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.500 to give him, right? We're going to start with 00:57:26.500 --> 00:57:30.440 a treat. And what that reinforcement does is 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.679 he's going to naturally be more prone to let 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.960 that object go because he's been reinforced to, 00:57:37.019 --> 00:57:39.940 I go and get this thing, I get a treat over there, 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.320 and then I come back to you and I get a treat 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:47.420 over here. And by repping out that pattern, we 00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:50.739 can start to incorporate him releasing something 00:57:50.739 --> 00:57:54.380 before he even realizes that he has it and we 00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:59.690 don't. Okay. So there's a whole bunch of little 00:57:59.690 --> 00:58:04.849 nuances that we can do to help that. But being 00:58:04.849 --> 00:58:08.869 that it's only like six days or so before we 00:58:08.869 --> 00:58:13.829 get an opportunity to jump in there, I don't 00:58:13.829 --> 00:58:16.389 know that you're, I don't have any magic ways 00:58:16.389 --> 00:58:19.869 for you to just, if he's not willing to just 00:58:19.869 --> 00:58:23.670 take, like get a treat instead or trade you for 00:58:23.670 --> 00:58:26.590 like a toy or something, Those are like the most 00:58:26.590 --> 00:58:30.150 basic and the easiest things to recommend. Aside 00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:31.969 from that, we're probably going to have to do 00:58:31.969 --> 00:58:35.309 some reconditioning and to get him excited to 00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:39.369 participate in more of pack drive and less prey 00:58:39.369 --> 00:58:42.090 drive of like, I've got this. Right. It goes 00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:44.849 back to like the him playing the keep away game. 00:58:44.849 --> 00:58:47.289 Right. So it just has to go back to like relationship 00:58:47.289 --> 00:58:51.119 building where he's he would rather. bring it 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.860 to you and give it to you than to have you chase 00:58:54.860 --> 00:58:58.039 him around after it. Right. Because we're going 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:03.079 to improve his pack drive and his desire to want 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.539 to hang out with you and be with you. Great. 00:59:08.059 --> 00:59:10.559 And we're going to work with lots of TV remotes. 00:59:11.619 --> 00:59:16.179 He went in my room a while ago. It hadn't been 00:59:16.179 --> 00:59:18.159 no more than an hour ago, and I left some money 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.280 on the dresser, and he come walking through the 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.739 house with a $5 bill in his mouth. Oh, no. Right, 00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:24.719 which shows me that he just really wants attention 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.599 from it, because if not, he would just eat it. 00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:30.579 Right. He knows it's more valuable if he brings 00:59:30.579 --> 00:59:34.639 it to you. Look what I have. Yeah. Oh, Lord. 00:59:35.820 --> 00:59:39.679 All right. Anybody else have any questions before 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:49.900 we wrap this up tonight? All right, we are going 00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:54.139 to start wrapping it up then. So tonight we talked 00:59:54.139 --> 01:00:00.019 about body language and tone, how communicating 01:00:00.019 --> 01:00:03.079 more than just our words is really, really important 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:06.719 and how we use our body language is just as important, 01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.300 right? Try your best to condition your dogs to 01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:15.340 work in that order of scent and then hearing 01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:20.889 and then visual. That will just help pacify a 01:00:20.889 --> 01:00:26.289 lot of those stressors in the house. For tonight, 01:00:26.429 --> 01:00:29.010 that's all I've got. So thank you for tuning 01:00:29.010 --> 01:00:32.449 in. Highly recommend it. If you're listening 01:00:32.449 --> 01:00:34.730 to this, you've downloaded it, leave us a like, 01:00:34.769 --> 01:00:37.710 leave us a comment, leave us a review. Thank 01:00:37.710 --> 01:00:40.570 you for tuning in. And that's all I've got for 01:00:40.570 --> 01:00:43.349 tonight. All right. Good night. Thanks, guys. 01:00:43.590 --> 01:00:43.989 Thanks.