WEBVTT 00:00:49.899 --> 00:00:53.200 And good evening, everybody. This is Ryan, and 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.219 we are coming to you live on or live via recording 00:00:57.219 --> 00:01:01.880 with Pawprint Academy. I am your host, Ryan. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.079 And this tonight, I am here with Brianna. Hello. 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.920 And we're super excited to bring you our second 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:15.180 episode of Pawprint Academy. So this is what 00:01:15.180 --> 00:01:18.150 we're excited about, right? This is a dog training 00:01:18.150 --> 00:01:21.890 podcast recorded live in one take and with live 00:01:21.890 --> 00:01:26.370 clients on the line. And the goal is to walk 00:01:26.370 --> 00:01:30.069 away with opportunities to kind of assimilate 00:01:30.069 --> 00:01:34.670 new ideas and learn in real time. Today will 00:01:34.670 --> 00:01:39.090 be episode number two and it's entitled Marker 00:01:39.090 --> 00:01:42.390 Words, Building a Shared Language with Your Dog. 00:01:42.909 --> 00:01:46.150 So I'm super excited about tonight. Marker words 00:01:46.150 --> 00:01:50.030 are incredibly important to what we do as dog 00:01:50.030 --> 00:01:53.250 trainers, but also when we're talking about building 00:01:53.250 --> 00:01:57.909 clear communication with our dogs, right? So 00:01:57.909 --> 00:02:04.090 tonight, the core idea of tonight's episode revolves 00:02:04.090 --> 00:02:10.289 around how marker words create clarity. Dogs 00:02:10.289 --> 00:02:12.930 don't speak English. And we've said this over 00:02:12.930 --> 00:02:15.129 and over. And I think everyone understands that 00:02:15.129 --> 00:02:17.169 they don't speak English. But I think it's often 00:02:17.169 --> 00:02:21.469 misunderstood because dogs do respond to a lot 00:02:21.469 --> 00:02:26.289 of sounds and inflections. So when we we may 00:02:26.289 --> 00:02:30.189 say, hey, get off the couch. And that dog might 00:02:30.189 --> 00:02:35.569 get off the couch because it. uh is shocked by 00:02:35.569 --> 00:02:38.930 your tone or towards it or you walk towards it 00:02:38.930 --> 00:02:42.030 and you're taking its space away or it maybe 00:02:42.030 --> 00:02:44.189 it smelled something that it actually wanted 00:02:44.189 --> 00:02:48.770 to do or or you know experience more than they 00:02:48.770 --> 00:02:51.810 wanted to be on the couch and we see that we 00:02:51.810 --> 00:02:54.530 look at it and we're like that is a smart dog 00:02:54.530 --> 00:02:58.590 he knew exactly what i was saying and so sometimes 00:02:58.590 --> 00:03:03.930 our communication is not as clear as we think 00:03:03.930 --> 00:03:06.030 it is and so that's kind of what we're going 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:09.229 to talk about tonight so when used correctly 00:03:09.229 --> 00:03:13.409 marker words they become a bridge between human 00:03:13.409 --> 00:03:15.490 intention and dog behavior and i think that's 00:03:15.490 --> 00:03:18.009 really important and cannot be really understated 00:03:18.009 --> 00:03:23.330 marker words give us the ability to start to 00:03:23.330 --> 00:03:26.909 be more clear right to to get crystal clear in 00:03:26.909 --> 00:03:31.069 the dog's mind rather than just, yeah, I think 00:03:31.069 --> 00:03:34.389 he's getting it. Yeah, he responds as soon as 00:03:34.389 --> 00:03:37.810 I pull those treats out. When we use marker words, 00:03:37.930 --> 00:03:41.770 we can start to really understand whether the 00:03:41.770 --> 00:03:46.469 dog is fully getting it and they're showing signs 00:03:46.469 --> 00:03:52.310 of anticipating what's about to happen or not. 00:03:52.449 --> 00:03:56.789 And so this... episode is going to have kind 00:03:56.789 --> 00:04:01.210 of two tones to it one talking to or talking 00:04:01.210 --> 00:04:04.090 as dog trainers and talking to dog trainers but 00:04:04.090 --> 00:04:07.530 uh there's no part of me that is gonna you know 00:04:07.530 --> 00:04:10.610 forgets that we have also our clients on the 00:04:10.610 --> 00:04:15.789 on the line that we're talking to at in in a 00:04:15.789 --> 00:04:18.569 way that it makes sense in the home right when 00:04:18.569 --> 00:04:22.110 you're just working with your pet dog so we're 00:04:22.110 --> 00:04:24.149 we're going to talk about it in kind of two different 00:04:24.149 --> 00:04:28.269 ways here tonight. All right, so first point 00:04:28.269 --> 00:04:31.410 is like why, so what is a marker word and why 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:35.410 does it work? All right, so I'll cover that and 00:04:35.410 --> 00:04:37.949 then I'm gonna pass the mic over to Brianna and 00:04:37.949 --> 00:04:41.350 we'll fill in some gaps. So one, what is a marker 00:04:41.350 --> 00:04:48.569 word? A marker word is a opportunity to use a 00:04:48.569 --> 00:04:57.730 short word A moment in time when you want the 00:04:57.730 --> 00:05:01.990 dog to understand that what they just did, the 00:05:01.990 --> 00:05:06.250 behavior that they just did, was either good 00:05:06.250 --> 00:05:08.949 and you want them to repeat it, or it was bad 00:05:08.949 --> 00:05:10.930 and you don't want them to repeat it. Right. 00:05:10.990 --> 00:05:18.399 It's like subtitles. Like, explain. Right. If 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.100 you, if you don't have marker words and you're 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:21.839 like watching a film, that's not in your language. 00:05:21.860 --> 00:05:23.420 If you didn't have subtitles, like you would 00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:26.180 have no idea. It's just noise. Yeah. Okay. All 00:05:26.180 --> 00:05:28.540 right. I like that. Right. Right. Key in you 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:30.699 in on the, on the concept of what's going on. 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:38.639 Okay. I love that. Okay. Why do they work? So 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:43.259 when you, so looking, this is the little. two 00:05:43.259 --> 00:05:46.899 minute explanation. When we look at the science 00:05:46.899 --> 00:05:54.879 behind dog training, we have, so there's, there's, 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.879 there are plenty of rabbit holes that we can 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:00.899 go down here. So I'm going to really try to steer 00:06:00.899 --> 00:06:05.079 the conversation to the overall concepts because 00:06:05.949 --> 00:06:09.009 What I don't want to do is get super sciencey 00:06:09.009 --> 00:06:11.149 and then just go down one rabbit hole of one 00:06:11.149 --> 00:06:15.550 study and not cite this other study that maybe 00:06:15.550 --> 00:06:17.910 disagreed or there's a lot of different things 00:06:17.910 --> 00:06:20.750 out there with dog training. There are a hundred 00:06:20.750 --> 00:06:23.069 different ways to go and there's lots of ways 00:06:23.069 --> 00:06:27.410 that work. But tonight we're going to talk about 00:06:27.410 --> 00:06:28.970 the markers and so I'm going to keep the subject 00:06:28.970 --> 00:06:34.589 on that. The science that we're using here is... 00:06:35.290 --> 00:06:39.810 speaks about how the dog's attention works and 00:06:39.810 --> 00:06:43.790 so when you tell your dog to do something and 00:06:43.790 --> 00:06:48.389 then you reward them after that concept has to 00:06:48.389 --> 00:06:51.029 happen that whole process has to happen pretty 00:06:51.029 --> 00:06:57.569 fast and supposedly your dog has about one to 00:06:57.569 --> 00:07:02.529 one and a half seconds between when they did 00:07:02.529 --> 00:07:08.819 a behavior And you either rewarding it or correcting 00:07:08.819 --> 00:07:15.420 it. So that dog has about a second that they 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:18.740 can either see that, hey, this was good. You 00:07:18.740 --> 00:07:21.120 wanted me to repeat this or, oh, that was bad. 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:25.040 You don't want me to do that again. And so a 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.680 second is not a lot of time for you to reach 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.040 into a treat pouch and then produce some sort 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.170 of food reward. A second is not a lot of time 00:07:34.170 --> 00:07:36.810 for you to walk across the room and pet your 00:07:36.810 --> 00:07:39.730 dog and give them praise and like, oh, wow, you're 00:07:39.730 --> 00:07:42.410 such a good boy. A second is not enough time 00:07:42.410 --> 00:07:45.670 for you to even reach for a ball and throw it 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:52.709 all in one second. And so that's where marking 00:07:52.709 --> 00:07:58.829 comes in. We can use a word, which the word is 00:07:58.829 --> 00:08:02.930 not important. It could be anything. But the 00:08:02.930 --> 00:08:06.709 way that we say it is the same and the sound 00:08:06.709 --> 00:08:09.990 is the same to the dog. So when the dog does 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:15.350 something good, we mark it with. Yeah. And that's 00:08:15.350 --> 00:08:18.490 and that is the excitement that the dog picks 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:21.329 up on is like, OK, that was good. I should do 00:08:21.329 --> 00:08:25.790 this again. Or the reverse is true. Right. And 00:08:25.790 --> 00:08:28.689 typically we use a marker like no. And it was 00:08:28.689 --> 00:08:33.149 like, no, don't do that again. Yeah. From the 00:08:33.149 --> 00:08:38.590 time that we mark the behavior, we have until 00:08:38.590 --> 00:08:43.230 the dog stops paying attention to actually reinforce 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:46.830 that marker. So there's like three things happening. 00:08:46.929 --> 00:08:51.809 One, dog produces a behavior. Number two, we 00:08:51.809 --> 00:08:57.309 mark that behavior as either good or bad. And 00:08:57.309 --> 00:09:02.279 then the third thing is we reinforce. that marker 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:08.299 with either a reward that could be multiple different 00:09:08.299 --> 00:09:10.059 things could be a ball could be praise could 00:09:10.059 --> 00:09:17.659 be a treat or we deliver a correction which could 00:09:17.659 --> 00:09:21.120 be as simple as walking towards the dog and using 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.419 spatial pressure to to make the dog go back onto 00:09:24.419 --> 00:09:28.440 their place yeah right all right So that is what 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.799 a marker is, and that is what the concept that 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.700 we're going to be talking about. So that is the 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:37.960 reason why markers work, because it makes it 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:45.980 very simple for the dog. So dogs learn fastest 00:09:45.980 --> 00:09:51.019 when feedback, us telling the dog, hey, good 00:09:51.019 --> 00:09:53.860 job, you did the right thing, or hey, that was 00:09:53.860 --> 00:09:55.600 not a good job, you did not do the right thing. 00:09:56.299 --> 00:09:59.039 Dogs learn fastest when the feedback is immediate 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:03.039 and consistent. This has been proven over and 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.679 over. And it doesn't matter what side of the 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.940 fence you're on, on positive training, on Lima 00:10:09.940 --> 00:10:13.600 -type training, or fair and balanced training. 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.039 It doesn't matter where you end up. We pretty 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.279 much agree across the board that consistency, 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:26.340 fairness, and quickness with your feedback all 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:29.600 lead to a faster trained dog. Yeah, it's clear 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.220 communication for them. Right, absolutely. Okay, 00:10:33.299 --> 00:10:37.379 so marker words act as a timestamp for the behavior. 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:42.299 So the dog sits and right as the dog's butt sits 00:10:42.299 --> 00:10:46.220 down on the ground, it contacts the ground. That's 00:10:46.220 --> 00:10:49.620 where we mark that behavior so that the dog is 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:54.259 super clear. They're like, oh, when my butt hits 00:10:54.259 --> 00:10:57.860 the ground. That's when I did the right thing. 00:10:57.980 --> 00:11:00.700 Yeah. Because what you don't want is a dog. Maybe 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:02.879 a dog lays down, but they first they go into 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.240 that like play bow and then they shake their 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:11.940 head and then they finally lay down. If you just 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:16.100 give them a treat without marking the actual 00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:20.919 moment that they did the right thing, they technically 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.559 there's a high likelihood they could attribute. 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:29.200 their positive reinforcement to any one of those 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.299 behaviors. Yeah, they have no idea which one 00:11:31.299 --> 00:11:32.539 they're getting a treat for if you don't tell 00:11:32.539 --> 00:11:36.960 them. Right, 100%. And so that's the value in 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.600 that marker word. It allows us to, just like 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.840 using a clicker, we click at the moment the dog 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:49.100 has done the right thing. That way, the dog learns 00:11:49.100 --> 00:11:53.159 faster. Super, super important. So they reduce 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.740 confusion. by separating the reward from the 00:11:56.740 --> 00:12:01.879 action also because the dog sits and then we 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.580 start to move towards them with a reward and 00:12:04.580 --> 00:12:07.000 we don't say anything and the dog gets super 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.340 excited because here comes the food oh my gosh 00:12:09.340 --> 00:12:11.360 and then they get up and they're they're all 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.120 crazy what we lose out on that with that is that 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:23.220 the dog could have you know reinforced multiple 00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:25.840 different variables all at all the same time 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:30.740 and uh what we want to do is we want to really 00:12:30.740 --> 00:12:34.860 single out that exact motion that we did want 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:40.059 so that's why we use a marker um without markers 00:12:40.059 --> 00:12:43.419 like in contrast without markers owners often 00:12:43.419 --> 00:12:48.320 deliver rewards either late or sometimes teaching 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.240 or reinforcing the wrong behavior. Right, I've 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.639 seen that one a lot. Can you give an example 00:12:54.639 --> 00:13:00.039 in just a second? Yeah. The last point here, 00:13:00.220 --> 00:13:03.600 and then we'll go into questions. Consistency 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.860 in the tone also matters, right? So it's more 00:13:06.860 --> 00:13:10.679 than the volume. It's the tone in your voice. 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:16.210 So it's not just that you said, yes instead of 00:13:16.210 --> 00:13:21.990 yes but it's how you used inflection and how 00:13:21.990 --> 00:13:24.610 you use tone in your voice that dogs pick up 00:13:24.610 --> 00:13:29.029 on most um all right last one markers are universal 00:13:29.029 --> 00:13:31.090 that's the other that's the other supporting 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:34.090 point right marker markers are universal across 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:36.950 environments and it really builds reliability 00:13:36.950 --> 00:13:39.990 all right brianna i would love for you to share 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:45.940 what you're talking about um So with teaching 00:13:45.940 --> 00:13:48.759 the wrong behaviors and rewarding at the wrong 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.659 time, a lot of people you'll see do this with 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:58.379 barking. That's a really big one is when you're 00:13:58.379 --> 00:14:02.299 timing rewarding a dog for not barking at something, 00:14:02.419 --> 00:14:06.139 it is one of the most like critical timings, 00:14:06.139 --> 00:14:10.100 I feel like, because when a dog is barking and 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:15.100 you are putting the food in front of them, you 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:17.340 are rewarding them for barking. They are stopping 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:19.860 barking to eat that treat, but you're in the 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:22.620 long term, you're rewarding that barking. Whereas 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:25.919 when you are having a dog where you can time 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:30.000 it correctly to mark the quiet and reward for 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.840 that, even in those moments when you don't feel 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:33.399 like rewarding your dog because they're barking, 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:38.580 those are the most important time factors when 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:41.639 rewarding the dog for correcting a behavior. 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.080 Yeah, that's a really good point. Barking is 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.200 one of the more difficult ones to figure out 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:49.679 because there's like a whole bunch of reasons 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:57.080 why a dog barks. Yeah. Okay. So I had written 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:59.919 down three questions, right? You already answered 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:03.419 kind of one. But the first one was, can you share 00:15:03.419 --> 00:15:06.899 a story where adding marker words immediately 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:11.870 sped up a dog's progress? And so in my mind, 00:15:11.889 --> 00:15:15.350 one of the things that comes to mind is when, 00:15:15.429 --> 00:15:20.110 so there was a dog that I had trained in a previous 00:15:20.110 --> 00:15:27.970 company. And when originally we were rewarding 00:15:27.970 --> 00:15:33.210 the dog with food for doing, you know, their 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:38.590 different actions. And we kept hitting a wall. 00:15:39.750 --> 00:15:45.870 that the dog was not fully understanding the 00:15:45.870 --> 00:15:49.250 not jumping. Not jumping up was this really big 00:15:49.250 --> 00:15:56.230 issue. And I believed that we were kind of miscommunicating 00:15:56.230 --> 00:15:59.909 to this dog that they were jumping up and then 00:15:59.909 --> 00:16:01.850 they were getting down on the ground. They were 00:16:01.850 --> 00:16:03.210 putting all four paws on the ground and then 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:11.970 we were rewarding the dog. really felt that we 00:16:11.970 --> 00:16:14.690 were just not communicating clearly enough to 00:16:14.690 --> 00:16:18.649 the dog and kind of showing the dog like yeah 00:16:18.649 --> 00:16:21.470 you jump up and then and then as soon as you 00:16:21.470 --> 00:16:23.990 come off of the person then I then I hand you 00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:28.029 a treat so the dog got yeah cool when I jump 00:16:28.029 --> 00:16:32.309 up like I get treats well as soon as we started 00:16:32.309 --> 00:16:36.470 incorporating markers right into the moment the 00:16:36.470 --> 00:16:41.279 dog this made that decision to get off of the 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:46.639 person we made a lot of progress yeah and so 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.080 that was that was what came to my mind you have 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.259 one um yeah i think i've had a few experiences 00:16:52.259 --> 00:16:55.480 with anxious dogs where they will pace around 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.039 and the moment they lay down i mark and reward 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.820 that um and i do it in a calm manner with with 00:17:01.820 --> 00:17:03.940 a slightly different tone because you don't want 00:17:03.940 --> 00:17:07.160 to really incite them to come back on Um, but 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.319 that is one that's really important when you're 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.819 trying to just kind of, it's like a mixture of 00:17:11.819 --> 00:17:14.079 like, it's like free shaping, right? So you just 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:15.740 wait for them to do the behavior and you're not 00:17:15.740 --> 00:17:17.880 really like forcing them to or telling them to, 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:21.279 but you're just encouraging them to do that behavior. 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.039 Yeah. And then marking it as soon as you see 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:27.019 it. Well, so how do you explain to new clients 00:17:27.019 --> 00:17:29.819 like the difference between praise and marker 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:35.059 words? Um. So praise is going to be more of like 00:17:35.059 --> 00:17:42.180 an excitable tone for me. Praise is just, it's 00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:45.400 telling them good boy, good girl, good job, you 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.059 know, yeah. All these things where a marker word 00:17:49.059 --> 00:17:51.740 is just that word, the same, consistent every 00:17:51.740 --> 00:17:54.279 time. You can change your tone with praise and 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:58.259 say all sorts of things and go into, you know. 00:17:58.619 --> 00:18:01.019 all all sorts of nicknames for the dog and things 00:18:01.019 --> 00:18:03.160 like that and that can be praised but when you're 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.759 sticking to a marker word it's it's yes free 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.720 no it's all of those all in the same in the same 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.299 fashion every time yeah so i i do kind of the 00:18:14.299 --> 00:18:17.420 same thing like i i use a whole bunch of words 00:18:17.420 --> 00:18:21.480 when i'm praising because i don't necessarily 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:26.009 want so i mark it the same word every time We 00:18:26.009 --> 00:18:28.289 use yes and free, and we're going to talk about 00:18:28.289 --> 00:18:31.170 that in a minute. So I might mark it with free, 00:18:31.269 --> 00:18:35.730 and then go into, oh my goodness, you're such 00:18:35.730 --> 00:18:43.430 a good boy. And those are two very separate events. 00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:49.890 One is the mark, and then that praise can actually 00:18:49.890 --> 00:18:53.970 be the reward. But it's not the marking of the 00:18:53.970 --> 00:18:58.549 behavior. It's the reward, right? Just like we 00:18:58.549 --> 00:19:00.150 talked about before, there's three parts, right? 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:03.369 You have the behavior and you have the mark that 00:19:03.369 --> 00:19:07.809 is that moment in time that you're telling the 00:19:07.809 --> 00:19:11.730 dog, yes, that is what I wanted you to do. And 00:19:11.730 --> 00:19:14.349 then you have that reinforcement. And the reinforcement 00:19:14.349 --> 00:19:17.789 is that praise. If you're not giving a food reward 00:19:17.789 --> 00:19:22.710 and you're not giving like a freedom reward or 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.920 What's another one? My mind is blanking out. 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:34.180 Another way you reward dogs. Food. Praise. Toys. 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.619 Toys. There we go. That was the other one that 00:19:36.619 --> 00:19:38.420 was in the back of my head. I just couldn't get 00:19:38.420 --> 00:19:43.700 it out. If you're not producing one of those 00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:49.579 things, you can always fall back on just praise. 00:19:50.180 --> 00:19:54.430 But the praise is not the marking part. it's 00:19:54.430 --> 00:19:59.750 the actual reinforcement yeah all right um last 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:02.670 question for this uh section have you seen situations 00:20:02.670 --> 00:20:05.230 where inconsistent markers actually set a dog 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:07.670 back yeah i think we see that kind of all the 00:20:07.670 --> 00:20:10.329 time to be honest with you you know it's like 00:20:10.329 --> 00:20:13.150 people either use too many of them and they're 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:14.809 just like spitting them all over the place and 00:20:14.809 --> 00:20:16.869 it's like yes yes yes yes yes the dog is like 00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:19.480 that has no value now because you're not like, 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:21.940 you're not rewarding every time, right? Of course, 00:20:21.940 --> 00:20:25.539 if you're rapid firing yeses at dogs and if you're 00:20:25.539 --> 00:20:28.720 throwing a whole bunch of no's at them or one 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.740 thing is people use different versions of no 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:35.400 a lot of the time. They're like no or they're 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:39.299 like stop, don't do that, quit, cut it out. There's 00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:42.680 all sorts of ways to say no and people in the 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:50.400 moment or even using them in more of an emotional 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:55.920 way than not can can always set a dog back yeah 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.220 it's just it's so much confusion because it's 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:01.880 inconsistent right and the dog doesn't doesn't 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:03.559 speak english no matter what it was like that 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:05.960 couch thing right off the bat that just because 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.799 your dog did what you asked them to do did not 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.819 mean that they understood those words yeah And 00:21:12.819 --> 00:21:16.799 some dogs do. This isn't 100%. Some dogs do understand 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.779 the concept, right? But I guarantee that they're 00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:22.559 not understanding every word in grammatical sense, 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.539 right? They're just understanding the general 00:21:25.539 --> 00:21:27.420 concept. They're like, cool, yeah, get off the 00:21:27.420 --> 00:21:33.240 couch. I got it. Anyway. All right. Next main 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.960 point. Three essential markers. So as we get 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.279 into this, we're going to talk about this is 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:43.400 what we use in. In our company, so for our clients 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.460 that are tuned in or downloading this later, 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:51.680 listening to it, we use three main markers. So 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.819 we use yes, we use free, and we use no. You can 00:21:56.819 --> 00:22:01.940 use apple, carpet, bubble. It doesn't matter 00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:05.940 what the words are. And there's, and this is 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:08.319 kind of universal. There's, there's a lot of 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.019 dog trainers that use a little bit different 00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:15.099 verbiage and I'll get into why we do what we 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:19.619 do here. But one, I think it's really, really 00:22:19.619 --> 00:22:21.299 important. Well, let's just knock this out right 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:22.680 off the bat. I think it's really important not 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:27.200 to lie to your dog. And so because of that, we 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:31.160 will eventually, we'll start with just reward 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:35.940 markers. Markers that get an immediate reward, 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:40.839 whether that is food, a toy, or praise, or freedom. 00:22:43.660 --> 00:22:47.460 Second from that, later down the road, we'll 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:52.259 introduce two additional markers that mean basically 00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:54.900 the same things, but they're not reward markers. 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.940 And we'll talk about that in a minute. Off the 00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:01.759 bat, the three markers that we start every dog 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:09.099 with is yes, free, and no. Yes means the dog 00:23:09.099 --> 00:23:14.000 is correct and should continue the behavior that 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.880 they're already doing. Free means that their 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:23.039 dog is released and that's the end of the exercise. 00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:35.509 a reward either a toy food praise or freedom 00:23:35.509 --> 00:23:42.289 yeah um and then the third marker is no which 00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:45.549 just signals a mistake and helps the dog reset 00:23:45.549 --> 00:23:51.609 so uh dog come a dog goes to their place and 00:23:51.609 --> 00:23:54.150 we have them down this isn't the very first thing 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:56.269 that we do right but when the dog goes to their 00:23:56.269 --> 00:24:00.339 place We tell them lay down on their place. We 00:24:00.339 --> 00:24:03.079 give them a yes because that's a continuation. 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.960 That is, hey, good job. Here's a reward. We follow 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:13.640 that yes with a treat. And that yes means good 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.539 job. Here's your treat. You got a treat. That's 00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:19.779 a great job, but I want you to keep doing it. 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:24.440 And they stay in that place until such time as 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.930 then you say free. At free, they're going to 00:24:28.930 --> 00:24:33.089 break that place command and they're going to 00:24:33.089 --> 00:24:39.430 approach you to get a treat or to get praise 00:24:39.430 --> 00:24:46.769 or freedom or a toy. And then the last one is 00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:51.230 no. So dog lays down in their place. You say 00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:57.579 yes. You give them a treat. doing whatever distracting 00:24:57.579 --> 00:25:00.359 events that you do while you're trying to work 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.180 with them. And then suddenly they break the command 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:09.220 and they get up. I'm going to say no, but I'm 00:25:09.220 --> 00:25:14.619 not going to say it like no. I'm going to just 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:18.940 say it just like a marker, right? It's just a 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:21.839 moment in time where the dog has done something 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.089 that you did not want. That's it. It's not the 00:25:26.089 --> 00:25:28.910 end of the world. It's not a big deal. It's just 00:25:28.910 --> 00:25:33.569 no. And then I'm going to follow that with a 00:25:33.569 --> 00:25:36.250 correction. In this case, I'm going to approach 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.730 the dog and use spatial pressure for them to 00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:44.269 decide, oh, oops, back up. Let me lay back down 00:25:44.269 --> 00:25:50.230 on my place. Yeah. So those are our three main 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:57.099 markers. Yes, free, and no. Eventually, down 00:25:57.099 --> 00:25:59.819 the road, we incorporate two additional markers. 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:05.279 And we use good and we use break. Good means 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:10.519 the same as yes, except it does not predict a 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:17.579 reward. Break means the same as free, but does 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:22.900 not predict a reward. I think that those are 00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.500 really important to have those and to expand 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:28.200 your vocabulary. Just two words. It's just two 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:33.400 extra words. But eventually every single client 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:38.759 asks us, well, when do I not need to carry treats 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:44.460 around? When do I get to fade out the treats? 00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:50.089 And inevitably the. The answer to that, and Robert 00:26:50.089 --> 00:26:52.750 Cabral says this, this is like a good way to 00:26:52.750 --> 00:26:56.069 answer it, is that if you're asking that question, 00:26:56.329 --> 00:27:00.269 you're probably not there yet. Yeah. However, 00:27:00.369 --> 00:27:06.109 an easier answer to that is I'm never going to 00:27:06.109 --> 00:27:10.670 fade out the treats for yes and free. I'm always, 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:14.569 always, always going to treat for yes and free 00:27:14.569 --> 00:27:19.359 so that all the work that I did. Up front to 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.880 charge is this is a dog trainer word, right? 00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:26.740 To charge those markers. I did all this work 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.700 in order to really like bolster up the meaning 00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:33.240 behind these markers. I don't want them to lose 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.720 meaning. I don't want them to lose their edge. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.680 So I'm going to just incorporate an additional 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.710 marker that means the same thing. but the dog's 00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:49.670 not looking for the treat yeah and that is how 00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:53.710 we don't lie to our dogs we bring the dog's consistency 00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.869 and clear communication through every phase of 00:27:56.869 --> 00:28:03.029 their training all right so we that i kind of 00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:05.650 like shot through these other uh these other 00:28:05.650 --> 00:28:09.980 points but um Owners often misuse no by pairing 00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:13.140 it with anger instead of clarity. So that is 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:14.759 what I was talking about when we were like, oh, 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.079 no, don't do that. Don't get on the couch. No, 00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:23.900 no. We need to use no as a consistent communication 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:30.140 device. So just no. And then that's it. And then 00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:36.039 follow it with action. Just like yes. And then 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.950 we follow it with a reward. We have to start 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:42.630 using those things and that clearly communicates 00:28:42.630 --> 00:28:50.430 to our dog. Overusing yes. You talked about this 00:28:50.430 --> 00:28:52.890 a little bit earlier, right? And so you kind 00:28:52.890 --> 00:28:56.549 of, you stole my thunder a little bit here. So 00:28:56.549 --> 00:29:01.390 you talked about diluting the yes. Yeah. Now 00:29:01.390 --> 00:29:05.250 is the time to expand on that. Right. So I think. 00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:09.390 When it comes down to it, we just, we, we auto 00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:12.950 go to that once we start working with our dogs. 00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:18.470 And diluting the yes simply means that that dog 00:29:18.470 --> 00:29:21.069 keeps hearing that word and you keep not giving 00:29:21.069 --> 00:29:25.109 that dog a reward. That's, that's as simple as 00:29:25.109 --> 00:29:28.069 it can get is you say it and you don't stick 00:29:28.069 --> 00:29:30.890 behind what you're telling your dog, which means 00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:37.019 yes, gets a reward every time. And it doesn't 00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.160 have to be yes for you. And you don't even have 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.160 to follow these rules, right? Because they're 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.480 not rules. They're just suggestions in the long 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.900 term. But in order to build the clear communication 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:52.079 and being able to have a non -treatable marker 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.799 word is what we always fall back on. It's like 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.220 you don't have to say yes. Just say good, good, 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.150 good job, good, good girl, good boy. Yes. Good 00:30:03.150 --> 00:30:04.910 heavens. Like you can say whatever you want. 00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:07.250 Just don't say yes in that moment unless you're 00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:08.529 willing to back it up with something. And that 00:30:08.529 --> 00:30:10.710 doesn't mean you have to have something on your 00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:13.049 person. It's like you're out back. You walk inside 00:30:13.049 --> 00:30:16.950 immediately, grab a ball, you know, give them 00:30:16.950 --> 00:30:21.190 a treat. We have a because you have until you. 00:30:22.009 --> 00:30:25.190 OK, good. Hit that real quick. Right. We keep 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:28.910 a bowl a little. Tupperware thing of dog food 00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:32.490 on the counter at all times, because no matter 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:35.049 what, like you can go from any room in the house 00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:36.690 to the kitchen really quick, grab a piece of 00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:39.390 food and, and give it if you accidentally said 00:30:39.390 --> 00:30:41.650 yes for something. So that's where I was going 00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:44.150 with this, right? Was that everybody makes mistakes 00:30:44.150 --> 00:30:47.309 and sometimes instead of, and I didn't use the 00:30:47.309 --> 00:30:50.369 right one, but you know what? I demonstrate fairness 00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:55.859 to that dog by walking. myself across the room 00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:59.539 because i said yes over in the laundry room or 00:30:59.539 --> 00:31:03.299 putting him in a crate or whatever it was i said 00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.099 yes and i'm like oh that was the wrong word yeah 00:31:07.099 --> 00:31:12.759 i meant good dang it so it doesn't take that 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.039 much effort though to follow it with praise a 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:23.990 toy freedom or a food reward yeah That breeds 00:31:23.990 --> 00:31:28.430 consistency. And that is where you make a really 00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:31.309 good progress with your dog because they're looking 00:31:31.309 --> 00:31:33.289 for those things. And if you think they're not, 00:31:33.369 --> 00:31:39.130 you are kidding yourself. Okay. So then the other, 00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:41.410 the last one, right, is that dogs thrive. You 00:31:41.410 --> 00:31:43.309 talked about the rules. So dogs thrive when the 00:31:43.309 --> 00:31:45.930 rules for each marker are always the same. We're 00:31:45.930 --> 00:31:49.250 talking about this stuff like we're some sort 00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:56.279 of, you know, immovable on these rules it's really 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.099 not that there are hundreds of different ways 00:32:01.099 --> 00:32:05.740 that you can train your dog you don't have to 00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:10.960 use markers at all our point is that by using 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.240 markers you will train your dog quicker and more 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.319 efficiently yeah that is the concept People have 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.160 trained their dogs way before anybody started 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.799 using markers. People have trained dogs for thousands 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.799 and thousands of years. You can just say sit. 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.299 You cannot even do the things that like all dog 00:32:32.299 --> 00:32:34.660 trainers are like, okay, cool. We need to first 00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:40.019 pattern the command or pattern the behavior. 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.200 Then we need to name it at the beginning of the 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.440 behavior. Then we need to name it through the 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.880 behavior. I'm sorry. mess that up we need to 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:53.640 name it right at the execution of the command 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.759 or the of the behavior then we slowly increase 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:03.200 the timing so that we're naming it slightly before 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:07.420 the sit let me clarify because i'm sure that 00:33:07.420 --> 00:33:10.200 that was confusing once again this is what happens 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.259 when you have a podcast that you do in one take 00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:16.619 and you don't do any outs um so i tell the dog 00:33:16.619 --> 00:33:20.019 to sit and the dog doesn't know how to sit that 00:33:20.019 --> 00:33:22.460 does me no good so in the dog training world 00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:26.359 we pattern the sit by luring the dog with food 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.720 we lure the dog into position and then as they 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.400 sit we mark it and then we reward we do that 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.720 completely separately from the actual command 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:43.180 of sit s -i -t once the dog does that multiple 00:33:43.180 --> 00:33:46.420 times then we start naming the command We name 00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:48.619 the command at the moment that their butt hits 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:52.579 the ground. We say sit and then we mark it and 00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:56.400 we reward it. Then slowly we increase the timing 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.839 on that so that as the dog goes to sit and we're 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.299 very, very sure that they're about to actually 00:34:02.299 --> 00:34:06.220 sit, we name it sit. And then we step it forward 00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:08.900 even more to where we're eventually saying sit 00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:12.800 and then getting the dog to do the whole movement 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.739 into the sit. Yeah. But we're always marking 00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:19.420 and rewarding at the moment that the actual set 00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:22.619 happens. Yeah. So hopefully I didn't confuse 00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:28.599 anyone. All of that is to say that there are 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:32.820 not hard, fast rules that like if you don't do 00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:35.300 this, you will never train your dog. We are not 00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:38.739 saying that. There are hundreds of ways that 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.659 you can train your dog very successfully by just 00:34:41.659 --> 00:34:45.489 saying the sit. right off the bat never even 00:34:45.489 --> 00:34:47.889 giving the dog an opportunity to learn the pattern 00:34:47.889 --> 00:34:50.690 and then when they eventually do sit just shove 00:34:50.690 --> 00:34:53.349 food in their mouth and they're like okay i guess 00:34:53.349 --> 00:34:58.489 that was good they will learn the sit but if 00:34:58.489 --> 00:35:02.289 we statistically we take two dogs and we do it 00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:06.909 by the way that we just i just described versus 00:35:06.909 --> 00:35:09.750 the i shove food in their face every time they 00:35:09.750 --> 00:35:14.449 sit we will inevitably train that first dog faster 00:35:14.449 --> 00:35:20.250 and more efficiently. All right. What's the biggest 00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:24.989 mistake that you see owners make? So specifically 00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:27.789 with no is where we're going with this, but with 00:35:27.789 --> 00:35:30.570 markers, right? You already kind of alluded to 00:35:30.570 --> 00:35:35.110 the yes, like overusing yes and the markers, 00:35:35.210 --> 00:35:38.590 right? We just blast yes out there. Yes, yes, 00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:41.900 yes, yes, yes. And it loses value. Well, I think 00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:46.960 that no is incredibly important that if we really 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.179 attach value to no, you don't have to do anything 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:56.539 but say no. And your dog is like, what? Oh, I 00:35:56.539 --> 00:36:01.760 messed up. What do I do? Go ahead. So I'm going 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.860 to start with free because people think that 00:36:03.860 --> 00:36:05.679 there's like really no mistakes that you can 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.539 make with free. If you want your dog to come 00:36:08.539 --> 00:36:11.159 into an environment in a calm manner and you 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.340 give them free out of the gate, that's a charged 00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:16.440 marker word, right? That's a rewardable marker 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.960 word. Food is a stimulant. Don't expect your 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.460 dog to like walk into a library if you just gave 00:36:24.460 --> 00:36:26.960 them free out of a kennel that they've been in 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.900 for two, three, four hours. So that's the first 00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:37.019 one. I like that analogy. With no, it's... It's 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.500 kind of the same as yes with not sticking behind 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:41.880 your yes with a treat. No is not sticking behind 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.679 what you mean and making them do what you asked. 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:51.860 So we always tell the clients when you pull out 00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:56.119 no, one, don't bring any emotion to it because 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.400 you do have some clients that out of frustration 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.440 will start bringing emotions into it and the 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.889 dog. doesn't even know that you're upset really 00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:06.150 and is like, I don't know what you're upset about. 00:37:09.110 --> 00:37:12.449 The second one is just not backing it up again 00:37:12.449 --> 00:37:17.110 because at some point when we get into corrections 00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:19.289 and things like that with a dog that's like actually 00:37:19.289 --> 00:37:24.269 in a program, we always say it's no correction 00:37:24.269 --> 00:37:28.409 command. And we say that because we want to phase 00:37:28.409 --> 00:37:32.260 out that correction as quickly as possible. So 00:37:32.260 --> 00:37:36.280 we communicate with them the word first so that 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.440 they're learning that. Then that predicts that 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.800 a correction is coming next. And what you see 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.639 is a dog go, oh, I'm not going to do that because 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.000 I'm about to get a correction. And then you can 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.260 phase out those corrections and you're no longer 00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:51.159 having to actually correct your dog. You're just 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.320 verbally going, nope. And I snap my fingers usually 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.730 when I do it. But you'll see, you know. puppies 00:37:57.730 --> 00:38:00.730 get up off place and and step two paws off front 00:38:00.730 --> 00:38:03.409 and they'll look at you and it's like nope and 00:38:03.409 --> 00:38:07.269 they're like thinking about it they're like she's 00:38:07.269 --> 00:38:09.329 gonna come over here in a minute if i've come 00:38:09.329 --> 00:38:11.210 over there every time i'm gonna come over there 00:38:11.210 --> 00:38:14.409 this time right so that's accountability in action 00:38:14.409 --> 00:38:18.889 right i'm gonna go back onto the place yep all 00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:22.289 right so do you do you like introduce all three 00:38:22.289 --> 00:38:25.980 markers at once or do you do it in stages So 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:30.380 I always do the positive markers first. So we 00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:33.820 always introduce, we usually do free and then 00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:37.099 we do yes and then we do no. No kind of starts 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.320 to blend in as you see understanding of the yes. 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.980 Why do you do free first? Because it builds excitement 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:46.760 in the dog for the exercise that you're doing. 00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:50.219 So if you're working on downs or place, the dog 00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:52.840 already is like, oh, all right, I got to go into 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.250 a down. get into that down you give them that 00:38:57.250 --> 00:39:00.309 free and give them that reward the less likely 00:39:00.309 --> 00:39:02.250 they are to be like well i don't want to do that 00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:04.809 because i had to sit there for you know three 00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:07.789 four five minutes you just want the dog to get 00:39:07.789 --> 00:39:10.050 into the position to learn the position and immediately 00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:12.389 reward them so they're like oh well i just got 00:39:12.389 --> 00:39:15.369 right back up so that's totally fine you see 00:39:15.369 --> 00:39:17.949 a dog that gets into the position faster and 00:39:17.949 --> 00:39:21.329 learns it quicker nice i think the other thing 00:39:21.329 --> 00:39:25.159 with that is that And eventually, and it's not 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:31.420 the first step, but eventually free or a terminal 00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:36.059 marker builds speed in the dog. It builds desire 00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:39.619 in the dog because what the dog sees is the faster 00:39:39.619 --> 00:39:42.440 that I do this, the faster that I perform this 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.300 behavior, whatever it is, the faster he releases 00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:47.519 me and I get to go and do what I want. Right. 00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:50.119 And you have to teach them the yes and free first 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.789 because you can't just correct. a dog that doesn't 00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:57.929 know the rules so you can ask for a sit but if 00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:00.409 they don't know how to sit and you haven't taught 00:40:00.409 --> 00:40:04.190 them what it all means verbally leash pressure 00:40:04.190 --> 00:40:07.449 food lure wise you can't just correct a dog and 00:40:07.449 --> 00:40:09.849 expect them to know what it means still they're 00:40:09.849 --> 00:40:13.750 they're not going to all right so how do you 00:40:13.750 --> 00:40:16.030 how do you keep owners from turning yes into 00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:21.239 like that concentrated chatter I mean, I think 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:26.539 it goes a lot back to just owner education and 00:40:26.539 --> 00:40:30.380 explaining that the constant chatter is not good. 00:40:31.099 --> 00:40:33.699 I always tell people, use as many words as you 00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:36.099 want as long as you don't mess with that one 00:40:36.099 --> 00:40:38.880 word. And most people don't have a hard time 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.260 leaning too far against that, right? It's one 00:40:42.260 --> 00:40:47.170 word that you can't just ramble into it. Because 00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:49.789 you're going to see your dog lose focus. So we 00:40:49.789 --> 00:40:53.110 use yes in the reactivity world a lot where you'll 00:40:53.110 --> 00:40:55.269 have a dog staring at another dog in the distance 00:40:55.269 --> 00:40:57.409 and it's not reacting and you mark and reward 00:40:57.409 --> 00:41:00.030 while the dog is looking at that other dog, but 00:41:00.030 --> 00:41:03.469 they're not reacting to it. So you say yes, that 00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:05.829 dog turns back to look at you and you reward. 00:41:06.710 --> 00:41:09.250 So at that point, you're teaching that dog to 00:41:09.250 --> 00:41:11.190 look at it without reacting and then disengage 00:41:11.190 --> 00:41:13.389 and look back at you and that's when you're marking 00:41:13.389 --> 00:41:18.340 it. A lot of times people don't understand how 00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:23.860 that works, but you have to be able to just really 00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:27.900 focus it on the yes, if nothing else, to understand 00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:30.960 that that dog needs to know that it's constant. 00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:34.920 Yeah, for sure. All right, so major point number 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.960 three, marker words in daily life. So marker 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.280 words, it shouldn't, when we incorporate them 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.150 into daily life, markers should not. They only 00:41:45.150 --> 00:41:48.050 live in training sessions. We talked about this 00:41:48.050 --> 00:41:49.829 last week. It's like, hey, I'm going to take 00:41:49.829 --> 00:41:51.829 the kids in the back and work with them for a 00:41:51.829 --> 00:41:55.250 few minutes. That sounds weird. But we hear that 00:41:55.250 --> 00:41:57.030 all the time. It's like, well, I tried to work 00:41:57.030 --> 00:42:00.210 with the dog in the backyard, but this happened 00:42:00.210 --> 00:42:03.170 or that happened. Well, what about just working 00:42:03.170 --> 00:42:06.989 with them throughout the day, right? Like marker 00:42:06.989 --> 00:42:10.909 words don't just belong in training. They also 00:42:10.909 --> 00:42:15.070 belong in everyday routines. So using yes and 00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:19.690 free around thresholds, meals, greetings, all 00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:21.789 of those things, it increases the structure and 00:42:21.789 --> 00:42:24.750 it strengthens the dog's understanding of those 00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:27.349 marker words because you're using them throughout 00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:30.769 the day. So the more consistent the communication 00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:35.809 that you use, the faster you build respect and 00:42:35.809 --> 00:42:40.110 the faster you obtain that level of obedience 00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:43.860 that you're looking for. So dogs pick up leadership 00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:47.539 when humans communicate clearly outside of drills. 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:52.019 Like an example, when my dogs go in and out of 00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:58.380 their crates, I use yes and free. A dog goes 00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:03.019 into their crate and maybe they go into the crate 00:43:03.019 --> 00:43:06.360 and I mark yes. And then I throw a little food 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.619 reward in there. And then I close the door. It's 00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:13.420 a continuation marker. It means don't come out. 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.239 It means good job. You did the right thing, but 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.619 keep doing it. Yeah. Because I said kennel. And 00:43:18.619 --> 00:43:22.139 then when eventually I do open the door, they 00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.420 don't dash out because I haven't released them 00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:29.320 yet. So I open the door and then I sit there 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.860 for a minute. And then I can reward or then I 00:43:33.860 --> 00:43:36.039 can release them with free and then toss them 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:41.460 a little reward. Or. What I do is the follow 00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:45.039 on to that is I use break because break means 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.900 the same as free. It's that release, but it's 00:43:47.900 --> 00:43:52.719 not treatable. It's not a reward marker. So at 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.099 the point where I say break, the dog knows, cool, 00:43:55.219 --> 00:43:57.739 I'm released. I can be a dog. I'm on my own program. 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.760 And then they run out of the kennel. Yeah. And 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.460 they're like, whoo. And they're happy. They're 00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:07.329 excited. Right. It is. kind of a reward in and 00:44:07.329 --> 00:44:09.809 of itself but it doesn't predict the dog never 00:44:09.809 --> 00:44:13.269 comes to me when i say break and it's like where's 00:44:13.269 --> 00:44:16.730 my food right whereas if i said free they're 00:44:16.730 --> 00:44:19.070 for sure coming to me and they're like sweet 00:44:19.070 --> 00:44:24.110 i got a treat love that but we need to have the 00:44:24.110 --> 00:44:26.090 ability to not lie to our dog so i don't want 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:29.510 to say free and then the dog comes over there 00:44:29.510 --> 00:44:32.010 and i'm like hey you did so good buddy and they're 00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:35.710 like well that was a jip yeah It was like, wah. 00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:40.849 And now the dog is rethinking their excitement 00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:44.949 for that word. So I want to avoid that, right? 00:44:46.590 --> 00:44:50.010 Even casual moments, right, where you're just 00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:54.349 moving around your house, doing normal things. 00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:59.409 Rewarding calm in the house is huge and is a 00:44:59.409 --> 00:45:01.570 huge opportunity that a lot of times we miss. 00:45:01.750 --> 00:45:06.039 Use those markers. Use the markers and use the 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.440 markers that don't mean you're going to get a 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.320 treat, right? We use a lot of good. Yeah. A lot 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.679 of good. I see good as a bridge word between 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.119 yes and free. So maybe I reward them up front 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.239 with yes, good job. And I kind of put them together 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.119 there, but yes. So you're on your place. I just 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.619 gave you a little food reward. Now I'm expecting 00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:34.019 you to stay there and I'm good. Good. Good boy. 00:45:34.179 --> 00:45:39.079 Good job. Good. That's all bridging. Yep. I can 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.599 say good as many times as I want. It means good 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.639 job. Keep doing it. Good job. Keep doing it. 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.420 But it doesn't mean you're getting a treat. Yeah. 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:53.139 And then I can release them with free if I'm 00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:58.000 using a treat or break if I'm not. Yep. All right. 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:03.590 So what's a simple. Daily routine that we can 00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:07.929 give clients here where you use markers outside 00:46:07.929 --> 00:46:11.969 of training sessions. Definitely going to be 00:46:11.969 --> 00:46:16.389 meal times with food. Nice. So that's one of 00:46:16.389 --> 00:46:18.369 the listener projects. So I love that. Go ahead. 00:46:18.570 --> 00:46:27.230 Oh. And then. Is it also the listener project? 00:46:27.289 --> 00:46:31.679 Is it thresholds? No. Oh. No, not thresholds. 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.039 I've got place on there, but thresholds is a 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.760 really good one too. Thresholds for sure. So 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.199 how do they use them? Just explain it briefly. 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:44.320 Mealtimes, you're going to ask for a sit or down 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.480 or go in their kennel. Any behavior, place, mark 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.860 it with yes. You can put that food down, right? 00:46:53.260 --> 00:46:56.820 And without your dog breaking it, you should 00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:59.500 be able to put that food bowl down. walk away 00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:03.079 from it a few steps and once you're ready you 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:07.619 can then give a free um i keep like panicking 00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.179 as i'm saying them too that i'm not spelling 00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:11.019 them and i'm like oh there's a dog around hearing 00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:13.820 me right so usually when we're teaching we try 00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:16.719 to spell a lot of those markers out so that we 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.699 don't lessen they don't hear them and then like 00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:25.539 we don't lessen the uh the value of them yeah 00:47:25.949 --> 00:47:28.710 Um, and then for thresholds, it's going to be 00:47:28.710 --> 00:47:33.210 pretty much, we use it for a lot for door dashers 00:47:33.210 --> 00:47:35.650 and, and things like that, where the dog just 00:47:35.650 --> 00:47:37.409 likes to bolt out the door. It's a door dasher. 00:47:37.429 --> 00:47:39.809 Okay, cool. Yeah. Bolts out the door. I'm super 00:47:39.809 --> 00:47:42.170 excited to go outside. Always excited to run 00:47:42.170 --> 00:47:47.170 and, and leave from the front yard. Um, so with 00:47:47.170 --> 00:47:50.429 that, we ask for a sit before we open the door. 00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:53.000 We always make sure that we can get the door 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:54.960 all the way open and kind of start to get out 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.780 the door before. But when the dog goes into a 00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:00.000 sit, we mark it with yes. That tells them to 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.699 keep sitting. We can open the door, get out the 00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:05.159 door a little bit ourselves. And then usually 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.699 we don't use a reward marker with thresholds. 00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:11.320 If you have a treat, you can use free and treat 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.019 them as they're coming out. But typically we 00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:15.980 just use break to let them know that they can 00:48:15.980 --> 00:48:19.039 come through the door with us. Love that. All 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.539 right. How do you show clients that structure 00:48:22.539 --> 00:48:26.239 with markers actually reduces the stress at home? 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:30.119 Because I feel like that it kind of like puts 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.519 it all together. The concept is like, cool, you 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.300 can use markers and you can reduce your stress 00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:39.079 and increase your peace at home. Yeah. Okay, 00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:41.619 cool. Well, that's nice to know. But how do I 00:48:41.619 --> 00:48:48.929 do that? Like as a client. Right. Just incorporating 00:48:48.929 --> 00:48:56.789 them into your everyday lives. So when you build 00:48:56.789 --> 00:48:59.530 those in with any of the exercises, like anytime 00:48:59.530 --> 00:49:02.429 the dog is doing a behavior that you want, start 00:49:02.429 --> 00:49:05.230 building those into your day. Right. Charge them. 00:49:05.309 --> 00:49:07.690 Right. And that's dog trainers called charging. 00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:10.389 The markers is where we're like leaning into 00:49:10.389 --> 00:49:13.949 using those markers. We are establishing value 00:49:13.949 --> 00:49:16.960 with those markers. So yeah, use them throughout 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.219 the day. That's super, super important. If you're 00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:22.659 already asking, you're talking to your dog all 00:49:22.659 --> 00:49:24.900 throughout the day, you're asking them to do 00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:26.599 different things, whether it's get off the couch, 00:49:26.699 --> 00:49:29.079 get on the couch, get on the bed, get off the 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.579 bed, go outside, get in your crate, lay down 00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:36.719 on place, sit down, come with me, let's go. Whatever 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:41.440 it is, mark it. Yeah, I think it's super useful 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.019 for people that have dogs that bark. If your 00:49:44.019 --> 00:49:46.820 dog's not barking and he's just relaxed and laying 00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:50.780 there, start marking that. We will do like the 00:49:50.780 --> 00:49:53.760 noise desensitizing with dogs inside where it's 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.239 like you play noises super, super quiet. And 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.380 start marking when they're not barking back or 00:50:00.380 --> 00:50:04.500 responding to those noises. Also like the thresholds 00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:06.480 when people all the time are stressed because 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.789 their dogs run out the door ahead of them. you 00:50:09.789 --> 00:50:11.989 know they live in apartments is a big one around 00:50:11.989 --> 00:50:14.289 here and the dog goes out the door first and 00:50:14.289 --> 00:50:16.969 then it's like startled by all these dogs um 00:50:16.969 --> 00:50:20.190 start asking for a sit before they go through 00:50:20.190 --> 00:50:22.730 that door it's not it doesn't take a long amount 00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:25.789 of time most dogs know how to sit it's one they 00:50:25.789 --> 00:50:30.289 almost come pre -loaded with right Right. Sit 00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:32.389 is like the number one thing that everyone's. 00:50:32.389 --> 00:50:35.670 Oh, my dog. He knows how to sit. Yeah. That's 00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:38.369 because they get tired of standing. Right. Every 00:50:38.369 --> 00:50:41.210 dog sits eventually. Mark it when they do. Right. 00:50:41.449 --> 00:50:47.809 Yeah. I love that. All right. So let's do listener 00:50:47.809 --> 00:50:51.809 projects. I've got two projects for anybody listening. 00:50:52.269 --> 00:50:55.840 Whether you're. Listening as a client or listening 00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.239 as a downloader of the podcast. Project number 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.699 one. Yes and free with place. So put your dog 00:51:04.699 --> 00:51:09.659 on a place bed. Say yes when the dog calmly stays 00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:13.340 on the place bed. And then reward with food. 00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.159 So that's how we charge the yes marker. After 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.880 two or three reps, usually I use a rule of threes. 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:24.139 I never do more than three. So I'll do yes about 00:51:24.139 --> 00:51:28.860 three times and then say free, release the dog 00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:32.000 off the bed, give them that treat, and then repeat 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.699 that whole process several times in short sessions 00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:42.300 to build the dog's understanding. Listener project 00:51:42.300 --> 00:51:46.139 number two, meal routine with markers. So we 00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:49.059 talked about meal routine last week. Let's do 00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:53.280 it with markers. Ask your dog for a sit where 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.719 you've got the dog's food in a bowl, right? You're 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:58.280 going to ask your dog to sit. You're going to 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.719 slowly lower the bowl. Go ahead and take a couple 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.400 of pieces or a little handful, a little bit of 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.019 food out of the bowl, right? So you've got it. 00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:12.380 And then when your dog holds the sit, mark it 00:52:12.380 --> 00:52:15.619 with yes, and then feed them that little bit 00:52:15.619 --> 00:52:18.500 that you've got in your hand. That's the continuation 00:52:18.500 --> 00:52:22.090 part. As the dog continues to sit there, continue 00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:24.710 lowering the bowl to the ground. Once it's on 00:52:24.710 --> 00:52:29.869 the ground and the dog is calm, go ahead and 00:52:29.869 --> 00:52:33.130 release the dog with free. And you don't have 00:52:33.130 --> 00:52:37.070 to give the dog anything because when you reward 00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:42.050 with free and the dog is then going to eat, that 00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:46.960 is the reward. So it's a real good opportunity 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.880 for you to charge the marker, as we've said like 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.059 three or four times now, with free and you don't 00:52:55.059 --> 00:52:57.400 even have to do any extra work. You're setting 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.000 the bowl down. I still to this day do that with 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.780 all my dogs as I put them in kennels. All of 00:53:02.780 --> 00:53:06.619 my dogs eat in kennels. And they go in the kennel. 00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:09.119 I bring the food bowl down. I ask them for a 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:12.619 sit or a down. I place the food bowl down. I 00:53:12.619 --> 00:53:15.099 don't even mark that interim anymore because 00:53:15.099 --> 00:53:19.519 they know the process. But I give them free at 00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.739 the point where they can go ahead and eat. And 00:53:22.739 --> 00:53:28.139 then the food is their reward. Real easy. If 00:53:28.139 --> 00:53:31.159 the dog breaks early, just calmly reset them. 00:53:31.219 --> 00:53:32.980 You don't have to scold them. You can just say, 00:53:33.019 --> 00:53:36.460 nope, and then raise the food bowl back up. And 00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:40.010 then start all over. Super easy, super simple 00:53:40.010 --> 00:53:45.070 to charge those. All right. So that is all of 00:53:45.070 --> 00:53:46.690 the information that we had to cover tonight. 00:53:46.989 --> 00:53:49.929 At this point, we'll open it up. If we've got 00:53:49.929 --> 00:53:52.949 any questions from any clients that are dialed 00:53:52.949 --> 00:53:57.250 in live, go ahead and unmute and throw those 00:53:57.250 --> 00:54:11.139 questions out now. Give them just a minute if 00:54:11.139 --> 00:54:18.800 they're working with their mics. And sometimes 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.460 we don't have questions, and that's fine too. 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.900 We need to figure out how to get the Jeopardy 00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:33.199 music on here. Right. I could just do it for 00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.860 you. You're going to do it? You start singing 00:54:35.860 --> 00:54:40.380 for me? I love that. All right. If we don't have 00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.300 any questions, we're going to start wrapping 00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:47.280 it up. So for tonight, we talked about marker 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.980 words and how important those markers were. I 00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:55.079 think that it is extremely, extremely useful 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.340 to efficiently training your dog. It builds clear 00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:03.019 communication and it builds a lot of foundational 00:55:03.019 --> 00:55:08.230 leadership in the home. Thank you for tuning 00:55:08.230 --> 00:55:11.630 in tonight to episode two of Pawprint Academy. 00:55:13.170 --> 00:55:15.949 Once again, I'm your host, Ryan, and we were 00:55:15.949 --> 00:55:19.730 here with Brianna tonight. We are in the process 00:55:19.730 --> 00:55:24.110 of collecting guests and other people to be involved. 00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:28.369 But for tonight, we're going to close it out. 00:55:28.510 --> 00:55:31.650 All right. Good night. Good night. Thank you 00:55:31.650 --> 00:55:33.210 very much. Have a great night.