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Good evening, everybody. This is Ryan, and I've

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got Brianna with me. Hey. And we are bringing

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you the very first episode of Pawprint Academy,

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the podcast where we talk about leadership in

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the home and how it relates to dog training.

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Specifically, when we talk about dog training,

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we... cover things that are sit down stay place

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all of these commands these things that we say

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to the dog and that we want to replicate and

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have the dog replicate over and over but another

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way of looking at that that dog training I guess

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pattern right is to focus on what makes the dog

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want to do it in the first place. And it's not

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just because we have tasty snacks, but it's also

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because we build a relationship with the dog

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that creates the desire for the dog to want to

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do these things with you, right? Not just do

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them for you, but participate in a give and take

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relationship. Yeah, man's best friend. Right.

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Absolutely. And so today is the first episode

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here and we're going to cover that. We'll go

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over some background and some why we why we're

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starting this and why I think it's important.

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But this podcast is going to be a little bit

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different in the fact that we have a we are both.

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dog trainers right we have our own clients and

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we have those clients dial in uh through zoom

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and be live on the call and the basically this

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podcast the goal is to record it in basically

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a live like format What we do with our clients

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is we have them dial in each week and we talk

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about these leadership subjects in the house

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and this different dynamic to dog training that's

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super, super important for home pet dogs. And

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I think it's important for any dog, but specifically

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we train pet dogs. We focus on in -home training

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for dogs. We have our clients dial in and then

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we talk about those subjects and we give them

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opportunity to ask questions and learn from each

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other. And rather than just have guests on, which

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we fully intend to as we go on with this, but

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rather than just have guests on where everybody

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just talks about like their piece of the puzzle,

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the advantage is that we try to get other. normal

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people with normal dogs involved in these discussions

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and so the the way that this will kind of look

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is we'll go through three one main topic like

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each week and we'll break that down usually into

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two or three like sub points uh with kind of

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supporting information and we'll talk about those

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things uh within all of the trainers uh here

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for this podcast then we've got two projects

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that are kind of pre -written out that I think

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is important for all owners of dogs to kind of

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institute in their home. And then the follow

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-on to that is that we'll open it up for live

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question and answers. If you are tuning in and

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you're not a client of ours and you're tuning

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in later and you're listening to this on... Apple

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podcasts or on pod bean or something like that,

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you're absolutely, uh, able to, you know, type

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up some questions and send them, leave a comment,

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um, leave a like, whatever, no problem with that.

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And we'll get to them the next week as we're

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able. So that's kind of the ground rules and,

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and the, the, the makeup of this and where we

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want it to go. All right. So our initial concept

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here uh our our overarching topic for today is

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uh the pack leader mindset right and and why

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dogs thrive with structure so i think there's

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an incredible amount of stress over what kind

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of dog trainer you are and what techniques you

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use or don't use and all of these things And

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I'm going to try to just skip through most of

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those things. And we're going to talk about things

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that I think that we all can agree on. And that

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concept is that if you lack any degree of leadership

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in the home, your dog will step into that role

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for you. That, I think, is pretty universal.

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There are certainly dogs that are not going to

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fit this mold exactly. Every dog, just like every

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human, is going to have a different level of

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desire to lead the pack or to just lead an interaction.

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It doesn't have to be all about pack. It doesn't

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have to be about pack this, pack that, pack drive,

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alpha male this and that. It's more of just even

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in an interaction where you ask a dog, Hey, lay

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down or sit or no, no, don't jump on the couch.

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Like go to your nice big $120 bed that I bought

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you at PetSmart, right? That's like nicer than

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my bed. So there's plenty of things that we ask

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our dogs to do, but we're going to kind of focus

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in on regardless of how you ask that and how

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you train that. The concept that I think everyone

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can benefit from is asking yourself, one, am

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I leading this interaction in a way that some

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another animal would want to follow me? And.

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Like, am I am I doing it fairly? Yeah. Right.

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Rather than just I will show you. And which I

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don't think is ever really appropriate. All right.

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So the core idea is that dogs don't thrive in

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a democracy. Dogs do not thrive in an environment

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where every dog gets to have a vote and then

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everyone can disagree and then chaos ensues.

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Dogs, that's just not in their nature. They look

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for clarity. They look for boundaries and they

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crave leadership. And if they don't get that.

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From us in this relationship, me and my dog,

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then a lot of times what we see as trainers in

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the home is that the dog will step right into

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that role. And at that point, now the dog, it's

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not about whether the dog is in charge all the

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time, but in that one moment where the dog jumps

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on the couch, just as an example, the dog is

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controlling that interaction. And at that point,

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now the dog gets to make a decision and the dog's

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decision is rarely what we would decide. And

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then that creates anxiety between us and the

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dog. And that's never what we want. So with without

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leadership, without boundaries, our overarching

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point here is that without it, they make their

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own rules. And usually that's when. When that

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continues to spiral, that's suddenly when dog

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trainers get the phone call. Yeah, definitely.

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All right. So leadership creates safety, right?

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That's my main bullet point that I wrote down.

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And so let's kind of break this down. Dogs naturally

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follow structure. Because it reduces conflict

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and it reduces stress. When a dog doesn't understand

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the concept of whatever it is, it's not just,

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hey, I told you to sit. They might not understand

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the concept of not barking at the squirrel. They

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might not understand the concept of not jumping

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up to get closer to visitors when they come over.

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And when those visitors are children. it's not

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that the dog's trying to assault them it's just

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that they don't understand the expectation they

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don't understand the boundary yeah and so how

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can we like be more clear with that right um

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one of i'm gonna jump a little bit ahead here

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because i i want to hit a um kind of a question

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right and i i want this to kind of go back and

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forth today we've got um Brianna here, which

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is one of our trainers and and then myself. So

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when we have when we first have a dog and we're

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trying to institute some of these controls and

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some of these leadership things, Brianna, I'm

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going to ask you, what is a leadership exercise

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that you can use or that you would give a client

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to use like right away? That if they've got like

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an insecure or anxious dog, something that they

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can use to show leadership in just a very like

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passive, relaxed way that can kind of improve

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that relationship right off the bat. And why

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do you think it works? I think what I would initially

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go to. in my thought process is threshold manners

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I mean we start with that day one with any dogs

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that come in anyways because it's not a big conflict

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to have a dog and what I mean by threshold manners

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is any kind of entryway doorway whether that

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be a crate door whether that be your front door

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your back door your car door any kind of door

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that we walk through with a dog is a threshold

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and Number one thing we typically see when we

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do an eval or see a dog just hanging out in the

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home is you let it out the back door, you just

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open the door, the dog runs out. You open the

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crate, the dog runs out. You open the front door,

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the dog runs out. And that's usually when people

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are like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But every other door,

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that dog has been allowed to just. go as soon

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as the door opens. So what you see is a dog standing

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at the door and it's like staring at the crack

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and it's like, open, open, open, open, open.

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And that breeds anxiety in a dog. They, they

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need to know what's on the other side of that

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door. They have to get there first. They have

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to get there before you. And it's just such an

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exciting adventure. Usually for a dog, it's you

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take them out front to go for a car ride. You

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take them out front to go for a walk. You take

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them out back to play ball. You know, you let

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them out of the crate and you're letting them

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out of the crate. Everything in that instance

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is exciting. But what we have to do as dog trainers

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and responsible dog owners is we have to tone

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that level of excitement down. So when it comes

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to threshold manners and going in and out of

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doors and coming in and out of crates, I'm always

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looking for a sit. And if we're in a crate, I

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typically look for a down just because the...

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The lower they are to the ground, the more time

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you have to correct and get them back into that

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position. But waiting for that level of calm

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and asking for some obedience before they are

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allowed to go anywhere is something that's going

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to immediately help you and your dog from having

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so much. anxiety around those spaces you let

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a dog out the back door and everything's fine

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but again the front door is always where people

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are like well my dog just darts out the front

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door and then it's gone because who has a front

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yard fence i don't know um but that's one of

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the things where if you have an anxious dog they're

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making that decision they're the ones going first

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you know where i always see front yard fences

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on all of the old caesar milan videos Oh, really?

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Yeah. I haven't watched it in so long. I don't

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remember them. Right. We don't live in those

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type of suburbs. We don't have front fence yards.

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And so that's where we always see. And we have

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a lot of apartments around here. People all the

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time are like, well, my dog, you know, they bust

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out the apartment door and there's a dog right

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there. Prime example of why your dog should not

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be going first. You should be able to open that

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door, check your surroundings before that dog

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is allowed to go through the door. Do you have

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to step through first? Do you have to be like,

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no, sit and walk all the way to your car before

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they come with you? No. But it's as simple as

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asking for that sit, being able to open the door

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without throwing all the things in your hands

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away to control your dog, and then going through

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the door with that dog to let them know that.

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hey, we're in a pack drive right now because

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dogs switch pack drives. It's prey drive, it's

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pack drive. There's all sorts of drives. And

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you need to be going through that doorway as

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a pack together because if you're not, then the

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dog's not with you on that walk or on that car

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ride. They're in charge of that walk and in charge

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of that car ride, even if you're driving. Yeah,

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absolutely. So like without a clear leader, right,

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the dog's going to feel pressure to make a decision.

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Because they're owning that leadership decision.

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And when they do that nine times out of 10, that

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decision is going to be something that either

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that dog was not suited for or that you're not

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going to agree with. Yeah. It's like letting

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a toddler decide like what you're going to do

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for dinner. It's like, of course, you're going

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to have chicken nuggets and mac and cheese. Right.

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Right. Good old staples. Yeah. So and and when

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we talk when like when we I think the thresholds

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are really good example because. When we talk

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about leadership, a lot of times people immediately

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resort to like thinking about harshness, right?

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Like you've got to lead from the front and you've

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got to show the dog who's boss and all of these

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things. And that's not what we're talking about

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at all. We're talking about the nonverbal communication

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that you can just show the dog that you are leading

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the interaction by just going first. Yeah. Now,

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granted, you have to incorporate some accountability

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into this, right? Because you may not have a

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door that either both of you can fit through

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at the same time or that might not even be healthy

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for the exact situation. Nine times out of ten,

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it's going to be you walking through the door

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first and then the dog following you. That's

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all the communication that dog needs to know

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that you controlled that interaction. Yeah. I

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mean, even if you don't say sit, when you get

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to that front door, give them some leash pressure

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or just stand there for a second, the dog is

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eventually going to look at you and go, what

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are we doing? Oh, okay. Well, I guess I'm going

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to sit down. And so when we apply that to anxious

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dogs, right? A lot of times we'll see anxious

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dogs relax significantly as soon as you step

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up into that leadership role. When you show them

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clear. concise like clear communication of what

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you're expecting and what you want to accomplish

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there's a lot of resolved anxiety that just comes

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from somebody stepping up and making a decision

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so that's really really important when we're

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dealing with anxious dogs especially and we jumped

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a little bit ahead with the with the anxious

00:16:48.649 --> 00:16:50.769
dogs but i i felt that it was important in that

00:16:50.769 --> 00:16:54.370
situation so uh now in multi -dogs homes in multi

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-dog homes Clear leadership can also prevent

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fights from either removing competition away

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from rank. So now the dogs are not in this competition.

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No, no, I am here in the pack. And the other

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dog is arguing with them. No, no, no. Let me

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show you why I'm above you in the pack. Pack

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dynamics, which you don't see with one dog very

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often. because you don't really have a pack.

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But as soon as you have two dogs and you have

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a human, you've got a pack. Three makes a pack.

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When you have three dogs, it gets even more complicated

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because what you can observe, you let them out

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in a yard and you've got three dogs running around.

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You can actually observe them kind of like making

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and breaking alliances like on the fly, right?

00:17:43.869 --> 00:17:46.049
Dogs are very, very good at those pack dynamics.

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And they don't last forever because one dog could

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be super, super dominant one minute. And then

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suddenly a real quick switch happens. And now

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that dog's submitting to this other dog that

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is now like driving this game, whatever it is.

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Right. It's like kindergartners and they're like,

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you're my girlfriend. No, you're you're my girlfriend.

00:18:05.740 --> 00:18:08.599
No, you're my girlfriend. And they have five

00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.059
girlfriends that day and they get home and their

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parents are like, what? I don't even understand.

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Yeah. Great analogy. All right. So dogs in a

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structured home, dogs will adapt in a structured

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home more calmly to new and chaotic environments.

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Imagine that dogs have they've got up to 100

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percent of their brain power. If 60 percent of

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it or 80 percent of it is taken up. By them trying

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to process what is expected of them so that they

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don't get in trouble. They've only got a little

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bit of brain power left to process all the other

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things that are going on. And then you put on

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them the pressure of like leading and making

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a decision. And then you're like super confused

00:19:00.630 --> 00:19:05.470
why that dog made a crazy wazoo decision and

00:19:05.470 --> 00:19:07.589
ran in the other room, grabbed a sock and tore

00:19:07.589 --> 00:19:14.460
it up. Yeah. Yep. Um, so how about, how can a

00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:20.259
trainer tell, um, when we talk about like a reactive

00:19:20.259 --> 00:19:23.779
dog, right? How can a trainer tell the difference

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between dogs reactivity that comes from fear

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versus just a lack of leadership in the home?

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Like you on the kind of the behavioral side,

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do you have an answer for that one? Um, putting

00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.819
you on the spot right that one is putting me

00:19:42.819 --> 00:19:44.619
on the spot right it's kind of a hard question

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too it is because now we're looking at like two

00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:50.680
levels deep right because you're not just observing

00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:52.740
the dog's behavior but we're talking about a

00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:57.039
reactive dog that that is fearful and they can

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react out of they can react aggressively due

00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:07.759
to fear yeah but that can also be formulated

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and um That can come from this basis of frustration

00:20:14.109 --> 00:20:19.170
as well. Yeah, I think we see that a lot when

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we do walks with dogs. And we'll get an owner

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that is like, my dog's lunging and barking and

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doing all these things at this dog. And then

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we'll take the dog out and it's not doing that.

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And it's not that the dog notices the difference,

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right? It's the level at which you are leading

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that dog and being like, no, we're not doing

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this. And a lot of times owners have a hard time

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telling their dogs no. And they have a hard time

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like shutting that down and correcting and doing

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things that tell the dog that it's doing it wrong.

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And if you don't tell the dog it's doing it wrong,

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then they think they're doing it right. So I'm

00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.259
going to take a hard right here just for a second

00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:08.180
because it occurs to me that. We're kind of mixing

00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:10.539
a couple of different things. So we have a client

00:21:10.539 --> 00:21:12.619
base that are obviously, I explained it at the

00:21:12.619 --> 00:21:14.420
beginning here, the client base that are kind

00:21:14.420 --> 00:21:18.980
of listening in live right now. And they've heard

00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:21.079
a lot of these things before. So we're kind of

00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:26.779
talking about these concepts that are, I guess,

00:21:26.779 --> 00:21:30.000
probably more understood than someone tuning

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in for the first time. So let's go back and forth

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real quick with just a couple of examples. What

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are we talking about with leadership in the home?

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When you're talking about dogs, we're talking

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about leading the interactions. The first thing

00:21:46.299 --> 00:21:51.680
that comes to mind is that we recommend that

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you either hand feed your dog or that you require

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something of your dog to earn their food. That

00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:06.259
can be as simple as sit. Good job. You sat down.

00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:09.460
Here's your food. Here's your bowl of food. It

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could be as complicated as doing multiple tricks

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or events or performing tasks. Right. And then

00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:25.079
getting their food. It could be as time intensive

00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.839
as you directly feeding from your hand each handful

00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:34.720
from you to them to their mouth. Those all of

00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.640
those things have one thing in common, which

00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.099
is you are controlling the food and not in a.

00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.759
not in a mean way you're giving the food to the

00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.599
dog but you're just changing one small thing

00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.039
instead of you just scooping it out of the bag

00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.079
if you're using a kibble or you're using a a

00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.039
frozen raw diet or something like that that's

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commercially bought doesn't matter uh where the

00:23:00.380 --> 00:23:02.059
for the purposes of this podcast we're not going

00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:04.859
to go down that rabbit hole but you're putting

00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:09.410
food into a bowl and giving it to your dog you

00:23:09.410 --> 00:23:12.769
just insert one additional step in there, which

00:23:12.769 --> 00:23:16.190
immediately raises your value in the mind of

00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:19.430
that dog, which is they have the food. I want

00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:23.210
the food. How do I get the food? Yep. And by

00:23:23.210 --> 00:23:25.970
them then doing something that you've asked them

00:23:25.970 --> 00:23:30.390
to do, you are immediately kind of like controlling

00:23:30.390 --> 00:23:35.349
that interaction. Yeah. And when you control

00:23:35.349 --> 00:23:39.420
any interaction, That is that nonverbal leadership

00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:42.579
that we're talking about. Now, another example,

00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:47.900
picking up or introducing toys to your dog rather

00:23:47.900 --> 00:23:55.299
than letting your dog just pick through a menagerie

00:23:55.299 --> 00:23:59.160
of toys in a toy box. Yeah, good word. Nice.

00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:05.920
So the dog being able to have 24 -7 access to

00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.779
a toy, is not a bad thing, is not something that

00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:12.980
is going to ruin your dog. That's not what we're

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:17.220
saying. But if you are in tune with your dog

00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:20.160
and you have all those toys put away and you

00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.759
come to your dog with a toy, you control that

00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.579
toy and now you're giving it to your dog. That's

00:24:28.579 --> 00:24:31.869
leadership. That is an example of... Leadership.

00:24:31.869 --> 00:24:36.349
It immediately increases your value in the eyes

00:24:36.349 --> 00:24:41.170
of the dog. Yeah. What's another one? Yep. Right

00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:45.029
on the spot. So you talked about thresholds.

00:24:45.029 --> 00:24:48.109
Right. You going first on the thresholds. How

00:24:48.109 --> 00:24:56.049
about another one? I think dogs on the furniture.

00:24:56.670 --> 00:25:00.190
Okay. This is going to be one that's hated. Right.

00:25:00.190 --> 00:25:05.529
So dogs on the furniture. There's nothing inherently

00:25:05.529 --> 00:25:09.269
wrong with dogs getting on the furniture. But

00:25:09.269 --> 00:25:13.869
you inviting your dog up on the furniture. Right.

00:25:14.009 --> 00:25:15.750
Yeah. That's leadership. That's where it comes

00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:20.529
in. Right. Because you're inviting them. So when

00:25:20.529 --> 00:25:22.950
we're talking about that, that's. Probably one

00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:25.549
of the best examples because now if you understand

00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:27.890
that example, you can apply it to all the other

00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:33.029
things. You should be inviting your dog and asking

00:25:33.029 --> 00:25:37.210
your dog to partake in all of these things. When

00:25:37.210 --> 00:25:40.049
you go for a walk and there's a place on the

00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:44.390
walk where you know that there are squirrels

00:25:44.390 --> 00:25:46.950
around. My dog goes crazy for squirrels, loves

00:25:46.950 --> 00:25:49.990
squirrels. If I know that there's a place where

00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:54.369
squirrels tend to hang out, then I'm going to

00:25:54.369 --> 00:25:57.009
go into those areas and then I'm going to give

00:25:57.009 --> 00:26:00.869
her a break, right? From being in a heel or being

00:26:00.869 --> 00:26:04.549
in a, or whatever, right? So then I give her

00:26:04.549 --> 00:26:08.210
a break there and invite her to go sniff around

00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.829
and see if she can find a squirrel. Yeah. That

00:26:10.829 --> 00:26:16.880
is the same thing that I would do anyway. But

00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.819
instead of me letting her lead the interaction

00:26:18.819 --> 00:26:22.259
by going and finding the squirrel, I'm inviting

00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:25.400
her to do it. Yeah. Same thing with like pushy

00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.779
dogs that come over for pets and they like nudge

00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:30.140
your arm and get like under your armpit. It's

00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:33.619
cute until it's not. And you have a full drink

00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:35.299
in your hand or a plate of food or something.

00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:38.079
But inviting that dog over into your space for

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.980
pets is different than that dog coming over and

00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:45.660
demanding pets. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I

00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.640
just wanted to kind of divert real quick and

00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.799
talk about that and make sure that we were discussing

00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.960
this in a way that made sense to most people.

00:26:57.019 --> 00:26:59.640
When we talk about leadership in the home, these

00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.000
are the types of interactions that we're trying

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:12.140
to discuss. All right. So major point. No, let's

00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:18.650
finish our last question. Last question for the

00:27:18.650 --> 00:27:25.089
leadership creates safety point. What is the

00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:30.369
biggest aha moment for clients when they finally

00:27:30.369 --> 00:27:33.829
provide consistent leadership? And like, how

00:27:33.829 --> 00:27:41.549
do you anchor it for them? I think big aha moments

00:27:41.549 --> 00:27:45.720
typically come like after. When we introduce

00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.259
structured walks, right? We have, we deal with

00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:51.319
a lot of dogs with reactivity and things like

00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.799
that, especially on walks. And we work through

00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:00.420
a lot of, you know, again with like, I guess

00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:04.039
threshold isn't only doorways. It's the distance

00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.339
from which a dog will not react, right? So when

00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:09.839
we're dealing with reactivity and we're talking

00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.349
about thresholds, it's how. close can we get

00:28:13.349 --> 00:28:16.650
without the dog reacting and a lot of times we

00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:19.549
see that with you know dog on dog reactivity

00:28:19.549 --> 00:28:21.970
um where they're on a leash and they just bark

00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:27.089
at a dog as they go by um in that instance when

00:28:27.089 --> 00:28:29.829
we get at a distance where where we can work

00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:32.470
that dog through it and walk by the dog even

00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:34.690
if it's at a greater distance and watching the

00:28:34.690 --> 00:28:38.480
owners just be like wow, like that was all it

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.140
took was an extra 10 feet over to the left for

00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:44.160
that dog to get enough distance to where it could

00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.420
control itself and understand that that dog wasn't

00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:49.460
close enough. And so there's no reason to react.

00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:52.660
You are also like positioning is really important

00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:54.839
on those walks being, you know, on the other

00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.700
side of the dog versus not. And those are things

00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:00.460
that are hard to think about when it just comes

00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.480
to, I just want to walk my dog. But when you

00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.160
go to walk your dog, every walk has to have a

00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.599
purpose. And it's not just to get out energy.

00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.859
Because I'll be the first to tell you that a

00:29:11.859 --> 00:29:15.500
walk doesn't get out much for a dog. And I know

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.200
a lot of people think, well, I'm just going to

00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.720
take my dog for a walk and they're going to get

00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.200
tired. I'm definitely going to take some heat

00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.940
for that one. Right. It's like the traditional

00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:27.960
exercise for every dog. You have to walk your

00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.009
dog. Right. But do you? I bet you if we played

00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:33.890
hide and go seek with like three bowls of food

00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:35.769
in the backyard, they'd be just as tired than

00:29:35.769 --> 00:29:37.750
if they walked a mile. Right. But so would I.

00:29:37.930 --> 00:29:42.630
Right. Me too. Because you're finding your food

00:29:42.630 --> 00:29:47.410
at that point. But I think really getting that

00:29:47.410 --> 00:29:50.490
solidified structured walk or seeing the dog

00:29:50.490 --> 00:29:53.599
react and. getting a correction for that reaction,

00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:56.400
the owner who's never given a correction before

00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.319
on a walk and just gets pulled and dragged through

00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:04.779
it is like, whoa, they usually bark their heads

00:30:04.779 --> 00:30:07.079
off. They barked once, got a correction, and

00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.660
they're not barking. And it's not because the

00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:12.559
correction was so severe. It's because we said,

00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:15.359
no, correction, we're not doing that. And the

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.559
dog is like, oh, all right, that's not allowed.

00:30:20.289 --> 00:30:23.369
It's just like telling a kid when you go out

00:30:23.369 --> 00:30:24.990
and they go to run across the street and you're

00:30:24.990 --> 00:30:26.750
like, nope, and you grab their hand and you're

00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:29.410
holding their hand. At that point, you're not

00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:33.430
allowed to do that. Right. When you hold a child's

00:30:33.430 --> 00:30:36.910
hand and they try to run across the road and

00:30:36.910 --> 00:30:40.029
you don't let them. Right. Chaos can ensue, right?

00:30:40.349 --> 00:30:42.349
You're correcting them. And they can start screaming

00:30:42.349 --> 00:30:43.950
and crying, but you're still not going to let

00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:46.450
that child run across the road. Right. 100%.

00:30:49.579 --> 00:30:54.579
Right. Just that verbal no can do wonders if

00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:57.240
it's communicated clearly and it's communicated

00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.299
in a way that the dog perceives and understands.

00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.819
Right. The clarity is where the dog is like,

00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.460
oh, it's not the act of the correcting. It's

00:31:06.460 --> 00:31:07.920
the fact that you were like, no. And they're

00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.160
like, oh, okay. They said no. All right. So we're

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.740
going to segue into boundaries to find relationships.

00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.160
So every relationship in the pack. It's got rules.

00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.000
And the dog expects to know what they are. If

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.160
they don't know what they are, that's when some

00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.619
of these weird things start happening. So dogs

00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:34.940
just need to know what to expect, and they need

00:31:34.940 --> 00:31:38.079
to understand where those boundaries are. Boundaries

00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.759
teach respect, and they prevent entitlement.

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.779
So behaviors such as jumping or barking for attention.

00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:54.740
When a dog takes personal space away from you,

00:31:54.819 --> 00:31:59.980
when they take personal space away from you in

00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:06.039
order to own that space themselves, that is an

00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.960
example of one of those entitlement behaviors.

00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:12.799
So jumping up on a guest. A guest comes in. That

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.740
dog has no personal boundaries or no respect

00:32:15.740 --> 00:32:18.539
for those personal boundaries and he jumps up

00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:22.900
to, it could be completely friendly. He just

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:28.019
wants pets. But without that boundary, right,

00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.440
that just gives us, that is just an example of

00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.319
the entitlement behavior. Just so that we're

00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.940
on the same page here. So clear boundaries, they

00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:43.569
often unlock, I guess. Like freedom, right? Clear

00:32:43.569 --> 00:32:47.150
boundaries will unlock freedom for the dog. And

00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:52.009
when they know what behaviors are allowed, they

00:32:52.009 --> 00:32:56.349
can work within those boundaries. And a lot of

00:32:56.349 --> 00:32:59.029
times you see a reduction in anxiety and you

00:32:59.029 --> 00:33:02.390
see an increase in the desire for your dog to

00:33:02.390 --> 00:33:05.029
be there around you and also like listen to you.

00:33:05.309 --> 00:33:12.500
And that's really, really important. Owners who

00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:15.779
let their dogs figure it out often create confusion

00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:21.440
and conflict. Rules around thresholds and feeding

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:28.900
and furniture usually they can establish by having

00:33:28.900 --> 00:33:32.500
those rules. Let me rephrase. By having rules

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:37.339
regarding the furniture, we can establish those

00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:40.819
clear lines of respect. No, you can't jump on

00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:44.859
the furniture whenever you want. I invite you

00:33:44.859 --> 00:33:48.819
to jump on the furniture. Then it's appropriate.

00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.019
And removing boundaries, here's where clients

00:33:54.019 --> 00:34:00.200
typically will end up between a rock and a hard

00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.059
place, is when we remove those boundaries too

00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:10.449
early, we end up with... an increase in, I guess

00:34:10.449 --> 00:34:14.110
that, uh, me and the dog working against each

00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:19.050
other. Right. So if I get a new puppy and I let

00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:23.489
him loose in the house, I can expect to have

00:34:23.489 --> 00:34:28.309
things chewed up or, um, to end up cleaning up

00:34:28.309 --> 00:34:33.420
a pile of, of pee. And that's because that and

00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:35.719
that that would be natural for most people to

00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.519
to check off in their head. They're like, well,

00:34:37.579 --> 00:34:39.659
yeah, of course, because he wasn't ready for

00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:42.679
that like level of freedom. Right. That's the

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.420
whole point. Removing boundaries from your pet.

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.719
Even when they're housebroken, even when they're

00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.659
trained, even when they're all these things,

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.340
but removing those boundaries too early, not

00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.099
too early based off of your definition, but too

00:34:59.099 --> 00:35:03.539
early for the dog's definition. When we remove

00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:07.699
them too early, it often causes setbacks in both

00:35:07.699 --> 00:35:11.019
our training progress and it causes stress between

00:35:11.019 --> 00:35:18.079
our relationship with the dog. All right, Brianna,

00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:27.219
what's one boundary you've seen transform a household

00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:29.639
within a few days and how did you implement it?

00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.199
I think we'll go back to like the no furniture

00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:38.340
because that's one of the really big ones that,

00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:40.539
you know, we have no problem with the dog being

00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:42.300
on the furniture, right? If your dog, we've said

00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.300
it a million times, if your dog has no behavioral

00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:51.099
problems an angel 99 % of the time, then that

00:35:51.099 --> 00:35:53.780
dog can be on your couch. But if you haven't

00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:56.199
invited that dog, I don't expect the dog to be

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.679
on the couch. That's me personally. Nala can

00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.840
get up on the couch. She never has. But if we

00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.659
invited her up on the couch, I'm sure she'd gladly

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:06.760
climb up there and get straight into our laps.

00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:11.230
What you'll notice is like she never even tries

00:36:11.230 --> 00:36:13.710
to get on the couch because she just never has

00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:16.690
and there's no reason for her to get on it. She

00:36:16.690 --> 00:36:19.230
can get as close to us as she wants to. But when

00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:22.190
you implement a no furniture rule for a dog where

00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:26.289
that dog has been on the bed, right? And it's

00:36:26.289 --> 00:36:30.369
taking a little siesta in the afternoon and you

00:36:30.369 --> 00:36:32.570
go in and you need to change the sheets and you

00:36:32.570 --> 00:36:34.570
ask the dog to get off and the dog is like growling.

00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.519
right and it doesn't have to be a crazy growl

00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.860
but the dog like grumbles at you and growls that

00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:44.380
dog no longer has rights to that space for me

00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:47.579
because that shows me that it thinks that that's

00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:52.260
its space and we have to be in control of the

00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:54.639
spaces especially with a dog that thinks that

00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.500
it's going to growl bark and intimidate someone

00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:01.179
that's the number one sign that it thinks it's

00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:04.599
the leader for sure because it's definitely like

00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.840
no no this is my space i'm i'm not ready to get

00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.559
up yet so the number one thing i will tell people

00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.820
is if you have behavioral problems you control

00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:14.840
the space which includes the bed and the couch

00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.920
for sure and does it mean that you can't invite

00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.300
your dog up there no but it does mean that that

00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:23.260
dog should not be getting up there on its own

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:27.380
accord and making that decision by itself yeah

00:37:27.380 --> 00:37:29.719
yeah so that's that's one of the most recent

00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:37.460
ones that i saw was um was a um was just a a

00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:41.059
woman who was kind of worried about how this

00:37:41.059 --> 00:37:43.699
was going to play out because she had the dog

00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.280
in the bed and was like all right let's go and

00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.440
the dog was like no no this is my bed you go

00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.980
and uh and that can be a really scary like uh

00:37:54.980 --> 00:37:58.639
that can be kind of a a scary interaction right

00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:04.150
um So I think that that's kind of an appropriate

00:38:04.150 --> 00:38:08.630
use of those spaces, right? We have to kind of

00:38:08.630 --> 00:38:14.989
encourage dogs to share those spaces with us,

00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:21.369
but in a way that we control. All right. So why

00:38:21.369 --> 00:38:23.769
do some owners confuse boundaries with being

00:38:23.769 --> 00:38:28.550
mean? And how do you, as a trainer, reframe that

00:38:28.550 --> 00:38:33.130
for them? I think most owners, when we initially

00:38:33.130 --> 00:38:37.050
tell them that they have to say no or implement

00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:41.030
rules, definitely think that it's some form of

00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:43.489
punishment or being mean to the dog. But in the

00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:48.010
long run, it's an act of kindness towards that

00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:51.889
dog because you're showing them how to maneuver

00:38:51.889 --> 00:38:56.239
themselves in the world. Dogs don't know. what

00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.380
they don't know, right? Just like kids don't

00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:00.980
know what they don't know. If you don't teach

00:39:00.980 --> 00:39:04.960
a kid certain rules and how to live in society

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:10.079
and do the things that people think are normal

00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:15.219
and expected, the dog goes right back to, well,

00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.019
I'm going to do what I want and what I feel is

00:39:18.019 --> 00:39:21.639
right. There's no child or dog that I've met

00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.659
that doesn't thrive from having a bedtime routine,

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.719
a curfew, you know, not being allowed to have

00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.179
sweets before dinner or right before bed. There's

00:39:33.179 --> 00:39:35.300
no child I know that doesn't thrive in that type

00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:37.539
of environment because that's what they need

00:39:37.539 --> 00:39:41.280
in order to learn how to function and become

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.099
an adult, just like dogs need to learn how to

00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:47.320
grow from a puppy into an adult dog and how to

00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.860
handle themselves in society. Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.300
Now that was a, that was a good way to put it.

00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.840
So when a client pushes back on those rules,

00:39:54.980 --> 00:39:58.440
how do you as a trainer show that the dog benefits

00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.699
from that structure without really escalating

00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:04.199
conflict with the owner? I think in those instances,

00:40:04.260 --> 00:40:07.880
I just kind of show them that the dog, I can

00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.460
go back to threshold manners with that, right?

00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:11.820
There's a lot of the same exercises that you'll

00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:13.480
hear me talk about when it comes to leadership,

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.599
that there's, those are such. regular, everyday

00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.460
exercises that you should be doing with the dog.

00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.559
And it's not a whole structured thing, but it

00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.920
is, hey, sit before a doorway, right? And those

00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.880
things are going to be so important when it comes

00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:32.539
down to that. Because if I show up for a training

00:40:32.539 --> 00:40:36.579
session and I say, show me how you take your

00:40:36.579 --> 00:40:39.099
dog for a walk. And we get to the front door,

00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:40.699
you open the front door and we're off and the

00:40:40.699 --> 00:40:43.360
dog's out first. and they're telling us which

00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.159
direction we're going left right are we going

00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:46.840
forward are we going backward are we going inside

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:48.480
because i they didn't even want to go outside

00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:53.159
when i look at that and i say okay let me show

00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.639
you let me let me show you how i walk outside

00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.219
with my dogs and i take that dog and they go

00:40:58.219 --> 00:41:01.139
into a sit i open the door they pop up from that

00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:04.659
sit i close the door and we will do that just

00:41:04.659 --> 00:41:07.639
a couple of times and you'll watch the dog then

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.539
go well We're not going out the door because

00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:13.900
I keep standing up and she closes the door. So

00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:16.440
I'm going to try staying to sit down. You see

00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.659
a dog elongate that sit to where you can open

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:20.960
that door, keep the door open. And the dog is

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.460
looking at you and he's like, are we going out

00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:25.579
yet? Are we going out yet? And they're waiting

00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:28.219
then for you to give them that cue. And they're

00:41:28.219 --> 00:41:31.159
looking to you to tell them that, oh, okay, now

00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.039
we're going out the door. But that's what I always

00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.039
look for when I first tell people to show me

00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.769
how they walk is. How does a dog handle the doorway

00:41:39.769 --> 00:41:42.289
and how do you handle that dog in the doorway?

00:41:43.289 --> 00:41:46.769
Yeah. So the next major point is owners must

00:41:46.769 --> 00:41:50.269
lead in everyday moments, right? And this is

00:41:50.269 --> 00:41:52.989
one of my favorite topics because here's some

00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:55.889
of the nuances that we really need to talk about

00:41:55.889 --> 00:41:57.710
and everybody really needs to understand because

00:41:57.710 --> 00:42:00.190
it can influence your relationship with your

00:42:00.190 --> 00:42:04.329
dog and so, so much. So leadership is built in

00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:08.030
daily habits. It's not just in training. sessions

00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:12.250
so um and those who have kids this is uh this

00:42:12.250 --> 00:42:14.710
is one that i heard recently that i i like to

00:42:14.710 --> 00:42:20.469
relate back to is the people that have kids they

00:42:20.469 --> 00:42:23.449
never go hey uh i'm gonna run in the backyard

00:42:23.449 --> 00:42:25.849
here for the next 10 or 15 minutes i'm gonna

00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:28.889
work with the kid right whatever that is your

00:42:28.889 --> 00:42:32.030
son your daughter whatever that would sound very

00:42:32.030 --> 00:42:36.119
socially unacceptable but We do it with dogs

00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.719
all the time. I'm going to go work with Scruffy

00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:43.559
in the backyard. Okay. Well, what about the rest

00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:48.119
of the time in his whole life? Yeah. They can't

00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.320
all be training sessions that are like structured

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.099
and we're going to do this and this and this

00:42:52.099 --> 00:42:55.059
and then we're done and. Right. And so many people

00:42:55.059 --> 00:42:59.219
are so focused on the, how long should a training

00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:00.619
session be? Should it be 10 minutes? Should be

00:43:00.619 --> 00:43:04.599
15 minutes? Should be. Karen Pryor Academy is

00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:06.800
a real big proponent of one -minute sessions.

00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:09.679
They're a very, very successful company, and

00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.860
they encourage one -minute sessions. That can

00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:20.900
work. Now, your dog can go as long as your dog

00:43:20.900 --> 00:43:25.420
can go. That's the problem. It's like, is that

00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:27.519
10 minutes? Is that 12 minutes? Is that 11 and

00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.449
a half minutes? It doesn't matter. The point

00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:33.769
is you are missing out. If you're only doing

00:43:33.769 --> 00:43:37.849
training sessions with your dog, that dog is

00:43:37.849 --> 00:43:41.269
learning all throughout the day. And you're missing

00:43:41.269 --> 00:43:44.309
out because that's where shaping, right? Free

00:43:44.309 --> 00:43:46.889
shaping, shaping, whatever we want to call it,

00:43:46.889 --> 00:43:48.610
whatever in the dog trainer world we want to

00:43:48.610 --> 00:43:55.610
say this is or is defined as. The concept is.

00:43:56.059 --> 00:43:57.860
Your dog is learning throughout the day. And

00:43:57.860 --> 00:44:01.659
so your interactions with that dog on that daily

00:44:01.659 --> 00:44:05.900
basis, every time you come in or out of the crate,

00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.739
every time you tell the dog to go to their place,

00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:12.099
every time you go outside to go potty, those

00:44:12.099 --> 00:44:15.719
are all opportunities for you to one, show leadership,

00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:20.739
and two, enforce and hold accountable your dog

00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:23.099
for your expectations that you've set in the

00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:26.449
household. I think that's super, super important.

00:44:26.530 --> 00:44:29.329
I think it's missed a lot. Yeah, for sure. I

00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:30.829
mean, I took a dog out earlier and I was going

00:44:30.829 --> 00:44:32.250
to go on a walk and we didn't even make it out

00:44:32.250 --> 00:44:34.550
of the driveway. We were like, how'd that go?

00:44:34.650 --> 00:44:35.969
And I was like, yeah, we just stayed in the driveway.

00:44:37.070 --> 00:44:39.650
But that's such a good example. That's what we

00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:42.030
were doing. Because it is what it is. I didn't

00:44:42.030 --> 00:44:44.590
need to walk a half mile. That dog was showing

00:44:44.590 --> 00:44:46.349
me that he wasn't ready to walk a half mile.

00:44:46.469 --> 00:44:48.889
That dog was showing me that he wasn't ready

00:44:48.889 --> 00:44:50.829
to make it outside of the driveway. That dog.

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.119
was barely showing me that he was ready to make

00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.079
it off the front porch, but I gave him some leniency

00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.500
and we moved to the driveway. Right, and so many

00:44:57.500 --> 00:45:01.900
people are like, well, I have to walk my dog

00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:07.059
or I have to do this or do that. I think there

00:45:07.059 --> 00:45:09.099
might be some other options for you. Yeah, I

00:45:09.099 --> 00:45:10.579
don't think I've ever read - And when that happens,

00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.340
by all means, reach out. I've got a whole bunch

00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:16.599
of ideas, but - Yeah, I mean, I've never Googled

00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.440
it, but I've never read an article that tells

00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.539
me how far a dog should be walking every day.

00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:23.800
Right, not how far. Yeah. Now there's a certain

00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.599
level or a certain amount of minutes per of like

00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:33.219
moderate heart rate activity that is recommended,

00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:37.960
but how far, not important. No, never. Good point.

00:45:38.539 --> 00:45:41.199
All right, so dogs read, oh, this one's a good

00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.340
one. So dogs read tone, right? So our posture,

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.260
our body language. is so, so important and way

00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:52.039
more than words. Dogs don't speak English. So

00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:58.019
when you are saying sit or down, down's a good

00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:01.460
one. When you are saying down and you are bending

00:46:01.460 --> 00:46:04.460
forward at the waist and putting your head just

00:46:04.460 --> 00:46:08.340
inches away from the dog's face, you're teaching

00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:12.219
the dog that that body language means something.

00:46:12.699 --> 00:46:15.550
And in this case, it's... that you want them

00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:18.710
to lay down. A lot of people don't ever test

00:46:18.710 --> 00:46:22.929
this, but I've seen it firsthand that sometimes

00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:26.250
when you are really good at that and you've reinforced

00:46:26.250 --> 00:46:31.650
this a lot, you can say asparagus and lean forward

00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:33.989
at the waist and the dog will go down. Yeah.

00:46:34.030 --> 00:46:36.289
And you can also stand straight up and say down

00:46:36.289 --> 00:46:39.570
and that dog is like, huh? Right. They don't

00:46:39.570 --> 00:46:42.940
get it. That is a great, great example of your

00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:45.940
communication is not clear here. You have not

00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:48.480
communicated clear expectations and the dog is

00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:54.480
guessing what's expected. Now that is fine right

00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.659
up until it's not. When it's not, now you suddenly

00:46:57.659 --> 00:47:00.300
start seeing these things coming out and anxiety

00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:04.039
from your dog that is not clear on what's expected.

00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.679
And that's why we're harping on this so much.

00:47:06.940 --> 00:47:09.820
And with tone, when I think of tone, my biggest

00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:14.139
connector there is recall. Because when you are

00:47:14.139 --> 00:47:18.000
calling your dog back to you and you go, Scruffy,

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:23.320
come. Nobody's excited. You're not even excited.

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.099
What's going to make that dog excited to come

00:47:25.099 --> 00:47:26.659
back to you? And if they're sniffing a squirrel

00:47:26.659 --> 00:47:30.579
out or a frog, right? Oh, frogs are awesome.

00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.880
Yeah. Right. Are they? We deal with a lot of

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.469
frogs. So many frogs. And so, but frogs are very,

00:47:39.550 --> 00:47:43.010
very enticing. Right. Because they jump and they

00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:45.750
make erratic extreme movements. Right, and they

00:47:45.750 --> 00:47:47.809
try to hide. And they try to hide and they blend

00:47:47.809 --> 00:47:49.769
in and they're hard to see. Right, they look

00:47:49.769 --> 00:47:51.329
like rocks, but they don't smell like rocks.

00:47:51.349 --> 00:47:54.769
But they're not like rocks, yeah. So we have

00:47:54.769 --> 00:47:59.789
a lot of issues with frogs. And if a frog that

00:47:59.789 --> 00:48:05.130
has way more, like a... much more interesting

00:48:05.130 --> 00:48:10.710
demeanor yeah than you yep and you're like come

00:48:10.710 --> 00:48:15.590
yeah or here right what are the odds what are

00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:18.670
the odds that your dog's going to come yeah probably

00:48:18.670 --> 00:48:22.489
zero probably very low right and now you can

00:48:22.489 --> 00:48:26.329
easily blame the training and be like well my

00:48:26.329 --> 00:48:30.449
dog's not trained well enough right that's fair

00:48:30.449 --> 00:48:34.750
but at the same time Whose responsibility is

00:48:34.750 --> 00:48:41.329
it like to lead that interaction? It's yours.

00:48:41.489 --> 00:48:43.610
If you're not exciting, if you're not fun to

00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:45.110
be around, why is your dog going to want to be

00:48:45.110 --> 00:48:47.630
around you? Right. And when it comes down to

00:48:47.630 --> 00:48:50.369
it, it's like the level of excitement should

00:48:50.369 --> 00:48:53.670
match the level of situation you're in. And we've

00:48:53.670 --> 00:48:56.789
talked about this similarly in like e -collar

00:48:56.789 --> 00:48:59.530
training, right? You dial it up and you're on

00:48:59.530 --> 00:49:02.809
like a level two. That's inside. And then you

00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:06.030
step outside, you're no longer on a level two

00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:08.289
distraction because you've added in all sorts

00:49:08.289 --> 00:49:10.489
of things. So of course you're going to have

00:49:10.489 --> 00:49:12.989
to dial that up. And we talk about the same thing

00:49:12.989 --> 00:49:15.510
when it comes to corrections, right? We're all

00:49:15.510 --> 00:49:17.809
a fan of making the lightest correction possible

00:49:17.809 --> 00:49:20.530
for the situation that you're in. But if you're

00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:23.710
dealing with a dog inside and it's just a tiny

00:49:23.710 --> 00:49:27.090
correction for them not laying down, great. But

00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:29.110
when you go outside and you're dealing with reactivity

00:49:29.110 --> 00:49:32.610
and there's a dog walking by, That's not a simple

00:49:32.610 --> 00:49:34.789
we're inside and I'm trying to get you to lay

00:49:34.789 --> 00:49:38.010
down correction. And I think when I've explained

00:49:38.010 --> 00:49:41.250
that to some of my clients and related it back

00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:43.690
to that, it's like you have to think of all the

00:49:43.690 --> 00:49:45.230
things that you're adding in. You're not just

00:49:45.230 --> 00:49:47.909
going from inside to outside with that distraction.

00:49:48.050 --> 00:49:51.949
You're adding in sights, smells, all sorts of

00:49:51.949 --> 00:49:54.789
things, noises that are going on. And so you

00:49:54.789 --> 00:49:57.510
can't expect the dog to focus. at the same level

00:49:57.510 --> 00:50:00.030
outside, one, if you haven't practiced it, and

00:50:00.030 --> 00:50:01.789
two, if you're not matching the energy of it.

00:50:02.170 --> 00:50:05.849
Yeah, 100%. So what we're getting at here is

00:50:05.849 --> 00:50:09.130
there's a difference between teaching the commands

00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:15.170
and living leadership day to day. We have to

00:50:15.170 --> 00:50:18.769
live that leadership example day to day. That's

00:50:18.769 --> 00:50:20.650
what's going to truly build that relationship

00:50:20.650 --> 00:50:23.550
with your dog. And silent leadership through

00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:27.619
movement and posture and tone, often communicates

00:50:27.619 --> 00:50:31.800
a lot more than your individual commands are

00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:33.980
going to. The dogs don't speak English. They'll

00:50:33.980 --> 00:50:37.059
go off of all sorts of different cues. So it's

00:50:37.059 --> 00:50:40.179
really important that we use our body language

00:50:40.179 --> 00:50:43.079
and our posture and our movement consistently

00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:50.380
to elicit that understanding in our dog. We talked

00:50:50.380 --> 00:50:53.800
about how everyday leadership examples. Like

00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.840
earlier we talked about like structured walks

00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.440
and like controlling doorways and waiting for

00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.199
food. We used all of those examples. So we'll

00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:02.599
jump out of the questions and then we'll get

00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.980
to our listener projects. So Brianna, since you

00:51:07.980 --> 00:51:10.940
are the only other subject matter expert here

00:51:10.940 --> 00:51:13.340
today, the question comes to you. All right.

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:19.059
What small routine change, what small routine

00:51:19.059 --> 00:51:23.039
change can an owner make today? that will immediately

00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.760
boost the leadership in the home? What would

00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.340
you recommend? Definitely related to feeding.

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.559
I think we see a lot of dog owners that don't

00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:37.980
exactly know one, dog nutrition, and two, how

00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:40.059
to feed their dog, right? Everybody has learned

00:51:40.059 --> 00:51:44.000
that you put the food in a bowl and they either

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.619
eat it right away or they graze on it as they

00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:50.099
want to. Every single person I'm... quite certain

00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:52.980
has done that once in their life, if not every

00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:56.119
day with their dog. And it's not like I didn't

00:51:56.119 --> 00:52:00.619
come from that place as well. But when you adopt

00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:04.679
a Hoover vacuum instead of a regular dog and,

00:52:04.900 --> 00:52:07.719
you know, they're choking on their food, then

00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.460
people are automatically like, oh, I should buy

00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:14.809
a slow feeder. Yeah, you could buy a slow feeder.

00:52:14.909 --> 00:52:16.889
You could also feed that dog from your hand.

00:52:16.969 --> 00:52:18.710
You could scatter that food on the ground. You

00:52:18.710 --> 00:52:20.469
could put it into a puzzle. There are so many

00:52:20.469 --> 00:52:23.570
ways other than the slow feeders that people

00:52:23.570 --> 00:52:26.449
have just adopted as the alternate to slowing

00:52:26.449 --> 00:52:30.269
their dogs down. It's giving a little bit more

00:52:30.269 --> 00:52:33.130
stimulation for the dog to have to work at it

00:52:33.130 --> 00:52:37.010
and tiring them out more. But it's not the same

00:52:37.010 --> 00:52:40.570
as... as getting into it with your dog I play

00:52:40.570 --> 00:52:43.710
hide and go seek all the time like I recommend

00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:46.889
that to clients all the time it's like take little

00:52:46.889 --> 00:52:49.269
dishes put some food in it hide them around your

00:52:49.269 --> 00:52:51.630
house you can walk around with your dog and guide

00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:53.389
them it's like they don't have to be an expert

00:52:53.389 --> 00:52:55.989
at it and you don't have to tuck it away you

00:52:55.989 --> 00:52:58.150
know under a piece of furniture but you could

00:52:58.150 --> 00:53:00.110
walk around with your dog and and be like look

00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:02.170
let's find it let's find it let's search let's

00:53:02.170 --> 00:53:04.389
search I was doing that with Dexter yesterday

00:53:04.389 --> 00:53:05.969
because he kept losing the ball in the yard and

00:53:05.969 --> 00:53:08.510
I wasn't giving him the answer, but I was like,

00:53:08.570 --> 00:53:10.809
search, search, and kind of walking around the

00:53:10.809 --> 00:53:13.269
yard and giving him hints. Those are the things

00:53:13.269 --> 00:53:16.170
that people don't automatically think about when

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:18.829
it comes to food, but those things are going

00:53:18.829 --> 00:53:20.869
to be the most important because you're bringing

00:53:20.869 --> 00:53:23.250
them the food, you're playing with them with

00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:25.889
the food, you're enticing them to actually want

00:53:25.889 --> 00:53:29.750
and have a drive for that food rather than looking

00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:32.679
at a metal bowl and being like, cool. There's

00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.880
that dry kibble again. And I think people lean

00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.599
towards, well, I need to use a food topper. I

00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.639
need to add this or I need to do something with

00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:44.500
that. But a lot of times if you make the dog

00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:48.579
want it in a more fun, interesting way, then

00:53:48.579 --> 00:53:54.739
you also unknowingly build that food drive. Yeah,

00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:59.329
100%. How do you coach clients? let's talk about

00:53:59.329 --> 00:54:01.090
body language so how do you coach clients to

00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:03.590
adjust their body language or their tone so that

00:54:03.590 --> 00:54:07.429
the dog takes them more seriously without yelling

00:54:07.429 --> 00:54:11.050
or nagging or like raising our voice because

00:54:11.050 --> 00:54:15.329
one so it's kind of our position here that we

00:54:15.329 --> 00:54:18.630
that that yelling will never increase comprehension

00:54:18.630 --> 00:54:21.329
with dogs it will only increase anxiety because

00:54:21.329 --> 00:54:29.099
the dog is unable to match that type of And so

00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:33.300
you just increasing the volume, dog can't even

00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:36.440
respond verbally. So now you've started communicating

00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.619
to them in a language that they don't understand

00:54:39.619 --> 00:54:45.119
in a concept in a, in a, I guess a mode that

00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.800
they cannot match. And now you've just increased

00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.639
frustration. So we don't recommend yelling or

00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:57.429
just like raising your voice a whole bunch. But

00:54:57.429 --> 00:55:00.150
I think there's probably a level that you can

00:55:00.150 --> 00:55:02.949
still be you can increase the volume slightly

00:55:02.949 --> 00:55:06.389
to be more clear rather than whispering to your

00:55:06.389 --> 00:55:08.550
dog. Right. And changing the tone has to do a

00:55:08.550 --> 00:55:10.070
lot with that when it comes to like corrections

00:55:10.070 --> 00:55:14.130
and some dogs we relate it to back to like softer

00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:17.070
dogs. Right. We have soft dogs who are more fearful

00:55:17.070 --> 00:55:20.869
and more anxiety and and and just don't require

00:55:20.869 --> 00:55:25.349
a level that like a working Belgian Malinois.

00:55:25.389 --> 00:55:28.409
It's like. you can tell a chihuahua probably

00:55:28.409 --> 00:55:33.590
be like, no, no. And it's fine. A Malinois is

00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:36.829
going to be like, no. And it's more of like a,

00:55:36.989 --> 00:55:39.650
hey, you told your kid once not to touch that

00:55:39.650 --> 00:55:41.670
and they're still over there touching it. Your

00:55:41.670 --> 00:55:47.610
tone is going to change. And typically when you

00:55:47.610 --> 00:55:50.869
get into that whole mom or dad voice and it's

00:55:50.869 --> 00:55:54.030
like a, hey, I said stop. The kid is like, oh.

00:55:54.839 --> 00:55:56.980
They were really serious about that one. And

00:55:56.980 --> 00:55:58.619
I keep snapping my fingers. That's one of the

00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:00.619
body languages I use all the time. And like,

00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.480
I don't know if that's even related to body language,

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.780
but I use that cue a lot because it gets a dog's

00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:08.420
attention, right? It relates back to a clicker.

00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:11.159
It's like a clicker. It's like, oh, I'm doing

00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.500
something wrong or I'm doing something right.

00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.000
And so a lot of times I'll pair no or a ah with

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.599
a snap and the dog is like, oh, okay, all right,

00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.340
my bad. And it just catches that attention. way

00:56:24.340 --> 00:56:27.679
better than going nope stop doing that no don't

00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:33.099
do that nope quit no stop right in english we

00:56:33.099 --> 00:56:36.739
have like a hundred words that we could use to

00:56:36.739 --> 00:56:38.880
indicate that you're doing something that we

00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.159
right don't like and we usually use way too many

00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.679
we usually use way too many that's the point

00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.480
yeah it definitely is and if it's like i don't

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.300
know i usually stick to like two or three words

00:56:50.300 --> 00:56:55.800
and then it's those are my words Yeah. All right.

00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:58.420
So last one so that we can kind of stay on time

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:03.619
here and share a story where a simple daily leadership

00:57:03.619 --> 00:57:05.980
habit created a major improvement in behavior.

00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:11.460
What was the habit and what changed? I think

00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:15.559
a big one for that is going to be like demand

00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:20.210
barking. So people, when we walk in and their

00:57:20.210 --> 00:57:23.849
dogs are usually super demandy and things, super

00:57:23.849 --> 00:57:28.949
pushy, super demanding, super just all around

00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:32.650
friendly dogs, but they just really are attention

00:57:32.650 --> 00:57:36.550
seekers. We will walk into that eval and we won't

00:57:36.550 --> 00:57:38.849
even look at the dog. And that's typically like

00:57:38.849 --> 00:57:41.530
what we try to do is because we know that that's

00:57:41.530 --> 00:57:43.349
the fastest way to calm a dog down is to ignore

00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:49.380
it. see an owner and they're like, well, why,

00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:51.780
why aren't they, why aren't they jumping on you?

00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.079
Why aren't they over there like nudging your

00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.739
hands and why aren't they barking at you for

00:57:56.739 --> 00:57:59.980
attention? And it's like, well, cause I'm not

00:57:59.980 --> 00:58:02.980
looking at it because I'm not acknowledging the

00:58:02.980 --> 00:58:05.340
dog yet. It's not in a calm mindset. And if you

00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:07.219
acknowledge that dog when it's not in a calm

00:58:07.219 --> 00:58:11.300
mindset and it's barking, I think it's one of

00:58:11.300 --> 00:58:13.539
those things where I go back to the saying, it's

00:58:13.539 --> 00:58:17.010
like negative attention is still attention. And

00:58:17.010 --> 00:58:19.670
when a dog is barking and you are telling it

00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:22.349
no even, and it's like, nope, stop, nope, stop.

00:58:23.190 --> 00:58:26.710
Some dogs feed off of that and you're still giving

00:58:26.710 --> 00:58:29.690
them the attention and energy that they wanted

00:58:29.690 --> 00:58:33.150
out of you. And when we're like, well, they're

00:58:33.150 --> 00:58:35.750
demand barking, how do I get it to stop? You

00:58:35.750 --> 00:58:39.610
ignore it. And I know that that can be one of

00:58:39.610 --> 00:58:43.809
the hardest things to do, but there are some

00:58:43.809 --> 00:58:48.219
behaviors in a dog where, correcting it verbally

00:58:48.219 --> 00:58:53.179
is just going to keep the behavior there. Right,

00:58:53.179 --> 00:58:54.460
because that's what they were looking for was

00:58:54.460 --> 00:58:56.300
that engagement. Right, they don't care that

00:58:56.300 --> 00:58:58.219
you're saying no or stop or whatever it is that

00:58:58.219 --> 00:58:59.599
you're saying because they don't know what you're

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.860
saying and they don't care. But you're talking

00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:03.400
to them and you're looking at them and you're

00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.820
engaging with them. And a lot of times if it's

00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:07.860
like, I want to go out the back door, you're

00:59:07.860 --> 00:59:10.539
letting them out. You're giving them water. You're

00:59:10.539 --> 00:59:12.360
giving them food. You're giving them something

00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.139
to try to figure out what it is that they want.

00:59:15.769 --> 00:59:18.050
And that's them guiding you and being like, I

00:59:18.050 --> 00:59:21.429
need something, figure out what I need. But a

00:59:21.429 --> 00:59:25.230
dog doesn't need to go out 12 times a day unless

00:59:25.230 --> 00:59:29.070
they're a little puppy. But we see owners all

00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:31.949
the time with dogs that are three, four, five

00:59:31.949 --> 00:59:34.289
years old. And they're like, well, I let them

00:59:34.289 --> 00:59:38.250
out every hour. Do they go to the bathroom? No,

00:59:38.349 --> 00:59:40.550
they just kind of meander around and then they

00:59:40.550 --> 00:59:42.630
want to come back in. Well, that's because they

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:44.820
didn't need to go outside. They just. They were

00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:48.039
bored and they were like, hey, give me something

00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.300
else to do. Let me go outside and find something.

00:59:51.980 --> 00:59:57.099
Right. Right. There is a concept of there's a

00:59:57.099 --> 01:00:02.340
happy medium, right? We see clients that they

01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:07.900
don't or they don't have the time to like. do

01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:10.099
the things that they need to do with that dog

01:00:10.099 --> 01:00:12.760
to like keep that relationship growing and keep

01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:16.239
it thriving. Uh, but then we also see those that

01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.659
are, are those, uh, I mean, it's almost the,

01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:24.159
the, the concept of the helicopter parent, um,

01:00:24.460 --> 01:00:27.960
but for dogs, right. And they're just, I, I,

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.820
I want them to have everything. I want them to

01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:34.940
never need anything. And that can also, uh, go

01:00:34.940 --> 01:00:38.449
South. Now, all of these things, Don't hear us

01:00:38.449 --> 01:00:40.849
and be like, oh, got it. So they're just the

01:00:40.849 --> 01:00:43.849
perfect dog owners. No, we have dogs and we mess

01:00:43.849 --> 01:00:48.010
this up all the time. All the time. We are covering

01:00:48.010 --> 01:00:51.889
and going over things that are, in our experience,

01:00:52.190 --> 01:00:56.809
best practice. That doesn't mean that you can't

01:00:56.809 --> 01:01:00.889
do some of them and be totally fine. Most dog

01:01:00.889 --> 01:01:07.039
owners on different forums and different... I

01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.420
guess groups and things platforms yeah that's

01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:14.400
a good way of saying it they inevitably agree

01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:18.860
usually that things like dogs in the bed or dogs

01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:23.559
in on the couch and things they're not the source

01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:31.639
of the problems usually they are not a problem

01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:36.349
at all if you don't have these other issues.

01:01:36.769 --> 01:01:43.690
So the reason why we're coming out super hard

01:01:43.690 --> 01:01:47.090
on some of these things is because if you have

01:01:47.090 --> 01:01:53.050
all of those things going on and you have a dog

01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:55.650
that barks incessantly or you have a dog that

01:01:55.650 --> 01:01:58.730
growls at you when you try to take their food

01:01:58.730 --> 01:02:02.050
away or you have a dog that fights with the other

01:02:02.050 --> 01:02:05.360
dog in the house or you have a dog that Whatever

01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.059
the situation is, if you have a dog that possesses

01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:15.119
these unwanted behaviors, maybe it points to

01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.440
a bigger issue. And the way that we get a hold

01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.139
of and start dealing with that bigger issue is

01:02:21.139 --> 01:02:25.500
we take control back from the house by doing

01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:27.380
all the things that we've talked about. So at

01:02:27.380 --> 01:02:30.179
no point do we just say, oh, well, you just have

01:02:30.179 --> 01:02:32.420
to control every aspect of your dog's life and

01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:34.650
you can never let them have any freedom. No,

01:02:34.670 --> 01:02:37.849
no. You can let them have freedom when they're

01:02:37.849 --> 01:02:41.929
ready for it. It is exactly like raising a child.

01:02:42.170 --> 01:02:49.269
You cannot take a toddler or a, let's use an

01:02:49.269 --> 01:02:51.710
older child, right? A 10 -year -old. You can't

01:02:51.710 --> 01:02:53.570
take a 10 -year -old and be like, yeah, you can

01:02:53.570 --> 01:02:56.190
drive because they went through a growth spurt

01:02:56.190 --> 01:02:59.409
and they can reach the pedals. Just because they

01:02:59.409 --> 01:03:03.730
can do it does not mean that they are mature

01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:09.570
enough to handle it. And so there's laws and

01:03:09.570 --> 01:03:11.630
everything else that's involved. But in general,

01:03:11.710 --> 01:03:16.570
this is about dog training. We allow the dogs

01:03:16.570 --> 01:03:20.489
to have the appropriate amount of freedom for

01:03:20.489 --> 01:03:24.090
their decision -making capabilities. That's the

01:03:24.090 --> 01:03:28.639
end state. All right. So let's... roll into something

01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.480
that I am kind of excited about is the goal of

01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.880
each one of these episodes right before we open

01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.119
it up for the live Q &A for the clients that

01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:41.980
are dialed into it and listening right now. We're

01:03:41.980 --> 01:03:45.579
going to talk about two projects. So we're just

01:03:45.579 --> 01:03:49.340
going to title it like listener projects. I've

01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:53.460
got two ideas. We talked about both of them during

01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:55.099
the podcast, but I'm going to kind of break them

01:03:55.099 --> 01:03:58.639
down with performance points. So the first one

01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.039
is the threshold rule. I'm going to encourage

01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.820
anyone who's listening to this. They're tuning

01:04:04.820 --> 01:04:08.579
in. They're trying to tame the beast that is

01:04:08.579 --> 01:04:12.500
running around their living room. Each time the

01:04:12.500 --> 01:04:15.860
dog reaches a doorway, such as like the house

01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:20.739
or the crate or the car or whatever, I want you

01:04:20.739 --> 01:04:25.679
to enforce that the dog must pause and wait.

01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:30.039
for a release word before moving. Now, how do

01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:31.840
you do that? You can do it on a leash. You can

01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.199
do it by holding a collar. You can do it by petting

01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:38.139
the dog, like nicely keeping them calm. There's

01:04:38.139 --> 01:04:41.920
many ways you can do it. Um, and there's a thousand

01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.539
YouTube videos out there on how to do those things,

01:04:45.579 --> 01:04:47.500
but we're going to kind of breeze through them

01:04:47.500 --> 01:04:50.059
quickly. Um, cause obviously I don't have the

01:04:50.059 --> 01:04:52.360
ability to show you, this is not a video podcast.

01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:56.400
Um, So start with a leash on. We're going to

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.519
go for the leash approach. Approach the threshold.

01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:03.000
You're going to stop. Use real calm body blocking

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.159
to make sure that the dog doesn't bolt out in

01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:09.719
front of you. You're going to own the space of

01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.739
the doorway. We're going to open the door very

01:05:11.739 --> 01:05:16.260
slowly. And as the door gets open and the dog

01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:19.159
continues to sit there. Then we're going to release

01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.800
the dog. We use a marker word free if we're using

01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.860
a treat or a reward or something like that. And

01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:30.099
we will free the dog by saying free to release

01:05:30.099 --> 01:05:34.320
them once they have paused and they are neutral.

01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:37.840
If the dog breaks early, we're going to just

01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.579
calmly reset them and we'll try it again. We'll

01:05:41.579 --> 01:05:44.980
just tell them no and we'll reset them, put them

01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:49.139
right back in that same position. close the door

01:05:49.139 --> 01:05:51.360
slightly so you're still controlling that space

01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:56.039
allow them to relax and then slowly open it again

01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.340
and start working through it so this project's

01:06:00.340 --> 01:06:02.739
going to build respect it's going to build impulse

01:06:02.739 --> 01:06:05.639
control it's going to reinforce the fact that

01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:10.840
you have to lead that interaction and and that

01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:14.420
transition from inside to outside or from outside

01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:18.000
to the car or from the crate to the living room,

01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.679
whatever it is. All right. Project number two,

01:06:20.739 --> 01:06:25.500
structured meal routine. Before every meal, I

01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:31.820
want you to ask for a sit or a down or whatever

01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:36.860
task you want, but ask for a task and require

01:06:36.860 --> 01:06:39.960
the dog to hold that position while you lower

01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.380
the bowl. And this is, you can modify this any

01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.420
way you want, but we're going to require that.

01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.900
And if the dog breaks the position, just do,

01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:50.619
we don't have to correct the dog. You don't have

01:06:50.619 --> 01:06:53.519
to do anything. Just lift the bowl, quietly reset

01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.800
the position and then try it again. All right.

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.739
This would be another case where I would use

01:07:01.739 --> 01:07:04.320
the word free to release the dog because they're

01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:08.480
being freed to go to a food reward. So I would

01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:12.619
use free. In our training makeup, you're welcome

01:07:12.619 --> 01:07:15.179
to use whatever word you want. Make it consistent.

01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.599
But that's all that matters because dogs don't

01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:21.079
speak English. Give them the permission to eat

01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:25.039
with that release. And then over time, this is

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.519
going to teach them patience and impulse control.

01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:32.139
And it's going to reinforce your role as both

01:07:32.139 --> 01:07:35.300
the decision maker and the controller of the

01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:38.559
resources in the home. All right, so those are

01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.860
your two projects for the week. Until next week.

01:07:43.420 --> 01:07:46.539
At this point, we are going to open it up for

01:07:46.539 --> 01:07:49.639
question and answers from the clients that are

01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:53.320
dialed in here. If anybody is listening, this

01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.280
is your opportunity to unmute your microphone

01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.559
and throw out some questions about anything we

01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:01.519
talked about or if you guys just have questions.

01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:09.300
Hey, Ryan, it's Cliff. Hey, Cliff. Hey, Shanoa

01:08:09.300 --> 01:08:11.139
is doing really well. She does have her moments

01:08:11.139 --> 01:08:15.699
where she is wanting to be stubborn as bulldogs

01:08:15.699 --> 01:08:19.699
can be. She does jump on the furniture and I

01:08:19.699 --> 01:08:23.699
immediately, get her off is there anything else

01:08:23.699 --> 01:08:26.800
that i should be doing to discourage her from

01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:31.680
get on the furniture so at her age right and

01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.500
um what is it when she's when she's jumping up

01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:38.939
on the furniture do you not want her on the furniture

01:08:38.939 --> 01:08:44.199
at all or you just want her to wait uh just refresh

01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:47.800
me what your your individual rules are if if

01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.220
we're invite her up Then that's fine. Okay. But

01:08:51.220 --> 01:08:52.819
I don't want her just getting on the furniture

01:08:52.819 --> 01:08:54.359
and thinking that she can lay on the furniture

01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.779
on her own. Yep. Because she always wants to

01:08:56.779 --> 01:08:59.140
be chewing on something, which is going to cause

01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:03.279
a stain on the furniture. And when she was a

01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.939
puppy, she actually peed on the couch. I got

01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:08.319
you. I don't want to inadvertently have an accident

01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.680
on the couch. So I just would like, I'm not a

01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.479
person that wants my pets on the furniture. Okay.

01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.750
If. Unless they're invited up. Okay. Gotcha.

01:09:19.930 --> 01:09:22.970
So, um, in that case, so typically does she,

01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:26.430
and does she get off if you tell her off? No,

01:09:26.430 --> 01:09:28.350
she, I have to end up going over there and pulling

01:09:28.350 --> 01:09:32.170
her down. Okay. All right. So, um, and she wears

01:09:32.170 --> 01:09:34.850
a flat collar, right? In the home. She has the

01:09:34.850 --> 01:09:37.109
flat. What we've been doing is, um, we have the

01:09:37.109 --> 01:09:39.689
pronged collar. I take it off of her at night

01:09:39.689 --> 01:09:41.850
when she's sleeping, but then I put it back on

01:09:41.850 --> 01:09:44.750
her in the morning. And then just so she wears

01:09:44.750 --> 01:09:46.939
it throughout the morning. okay throughout the

01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:51.800
day um as as there's not uh necessarily an issue

01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:54.640
with that uh as long as you know you're just

01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:59.920
being cautious with it um so the right so i would

01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:05.899
just go to um i would just go to correcting her

01:10:05.899 --> 01:10:09.180
on the collar right um does she if she's wearing

01:10:09.180 --> 01:10:11.500
that do you just have her like wear a drag line

01:10:11.500 --> 01:10:14.479
or does she usually not wear anything do you

01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:18.750
have like a She is not, but I can put it back

01:10:18.750 --> 01:10:20.970
on her. I've been lazy about keeping that on

01:10:20.970 --> 01:10:24.390
her. Well, so if the behavior is increasing,

01:10:24.630 --> 01:10:29.090
then I would encourage you to just have the tab

01:10:29.090 --> 01:10:31.770
leash or the little traffic handle connected

01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:35.510
there. So that way, if this is a behavior that

01:10:35.510 --> 01:10:38.829
she exhibits with increasing frequency, you can

01:10:38.829 --> 01:10:43.130
break it down a little more by just being verbal

01:10:43.130 --> 01:10:47.739
first. then going and offering her a slight correction

01:10:47.739 --> 01:10:52.119
and encouraging her to get off the couch. At

01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:56.720
that point, we really need to reinforce that

01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:01.359
the behavior off of the couch is what you want.

01:11:01.619 --> 01:11:05.479
And so that is where you need to reward her.

01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:07.319
You need to give her attention. You need to give

01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.220
her affection. Give her the attention. Limit

01:11:11.220 --> 01:11:14.560
the attention that she gets. from the interaction

01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:17.279
of her getting on the couch because what you

01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:20.439
can do is you can strengthen that desire because

01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:23.039
if she's just trying to get your attention she'll

01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:28.239
she can do things that she knows will make you

01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.319
interact with her does that make sense yeah and

01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.539
so what you don't want to do is you don't want

01:11:33.539 --> 01:11:38.460
to encourage that too much we want to make her

01:11:38.460 --> 01:11:41.760
jumping on the couch Very dull, bland, and boring.

01:11:42.020 --> 01:11:45.720
And we want to make her experience on the ground

01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.899
with all four paws on the ground very gratifying.

01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.500
Right. And so there's not a magic button to do

01:11:54.500 --> 01:11:57.439
that, but it's repetition. I will say that it

01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.739
will make it more difficult if she's allowed

01:12:01.739 --> 01:12:03.960
to get on the couch sometimes and not others

01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.319
because she's also going through a maturity.

01:12:07.130 --> 01:12:10.329
level right of her growing right and and learning

01:12:10.329 --> 01:12:12.890
what's allowed and what's not and so that will

01:12:12.890 --> 01:12:16.750
blur the lines a little bit however i don't think

01:12:16.750 --> 01:12:21.449
that that is uh inexcusable right you can obviously

01:12:21.449 --> 01:12:27.090
invite her on there i would also try to reinforce

01:12:27.090 --> 01:12:31.930
making her get down rewarding her for being on

01:12:31.930 --> 01:12:35.529
the ground and then At the point where maybe

01:12:35.529 --> 01:12:38.029
you control that space a little bit for just

01:12:38.029 --> 01:12:41.970
a minute or two, and then you could invite her

01:12:41.970 --> 01:12:45.449
up, right? So that you're reinforcing the pattern

01:12:45.449 --> 01:12:48.050
that you are inviting her. And when you invite

01:12:48.050 --> 01:12:51.329
her, it's fine. But when she takes it, no, no,

01:12:51.369 --> 01:12:53.569
that's not allowed. Right. So start doing those

01:12:53.569 --> 01:12:55.409
little training sessions with her. Come up with

01:12:55.409 --> 01:12:57.270
your word for what it is when you invite her

01:12:57.270 --> 01:12:59.960
up on the couch, whether it's up. We use climb

01:12:59.960 --> 01:13:03.680
a lot because it's an uncommon word, right? And

01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:06.180
we really only use it when we're asking them

01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:08.060
to climb on something like getting in the car

01:13:08.060 --> 01:13:10.460
and stuff like that. So I think one of those

01:13:10.460 --> 01:13:12.979
things that's important is because she is maturing

01:13:12.979 --> 01:13:15.340
and she needs to understand the clear difference

01:13:15.340 --> 01:13:18.140
is going into some training sessions with her

01:13:18.140 --> 01:13:20.000
or something throughout the day where it's like,

01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:24.029
hey, climb, having her get on the couch. You

01:13:24.029 --> 01:13:26.130
don't even have to use a food reward there. I

01:13:26.130 --> 01:13:28.270
wouldn't when she gets on the couch, but when

01:13:28.270 --> 01:13:32.600
you do off. And we a lot of times see clients

01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.920
confuse down and off. We use down as a lay down

01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.619
command. We use off to ask the dog to get off

01:13:38.619 --> 01:13:41.420
of something so that they're not confusing those

01:13:41.420 --> 01:13:44.800
commands. But having her get off, tossing that

01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.340
food reward onto the ground so that she knows

01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:50.060
that that's where she gets rewarded. Building

01:13:50.060 --> 01:13:53.319
that while being on a leash with her so that

01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.039
you can kind of just give her guidance. And I

01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.859
would just use a flat collar for that. But teaching

01:13:57.859 --> 01:14:01.960
her the up, Or whatever your word is for that.

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.800
To get on the couch. Good. And then you can give

01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.100
her a pet. Off. feeding her when she jumps off

01:14:08.100 --> 01:14:10.000
of the couch and just dropping it onto the ground

01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.420
to let her know that that's the that's the highly

01:14:12.420 --> 01:14:16.100
rewarded location getting on the couch good we

01:14:16.100 --> 01:14:19.039
we get some pets here it's it's okay but when

01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.539
you get off you get a food reward or something

01:14:21.539 --> 01:14:24.180
of higher value that way she understands the

01:14:24.180 --> 01:14:26.239
difference and it becomes an exercise that she

01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.479
can be clear on so that when you're asking from

01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.340
across the room eventually and it's off she will

01:14:31.340 --> 01:14:33.560
then get off the couch again you're going to

01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.439
want to reward her for quite some time while

01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:38.340
she's learning those behaviors but eventually

01:14:38.340 --> 01:14:41.439
you get a dog where it's like hey off um and

01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:43.920
and you see them go oh okay all right i'm gonna

01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.939
get down right i gotcha i do notice through the

01:14:47.939 --> 01:14:50.479
day that she seems to when she has the prong

01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:53.880
collar on versus when she doesn't she seems to

01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.770
be more aware that she has this on and she seems

01:14:57.770 --> 01:14:59.989
to be more obedient right it's that accountability

01:14:59.989 --> 01:15:04.010
factor right so when you switch to an off -leash

01:15:04.010 --> 01:15:06.810
dog with like an e -collar there's this accountability

01:15:06.810 --> 01:15:09.770
period where they're like can they really get

01:15:09.770 --> 01:15:11.670
me from over here and if you don't have a long

01:15:11.670 --> 01:15:13.829
line on and and you don't have the e -collar

01:15:13.829 --> 01:15:16.409
set right they're like oh they didn't they they

01:15:16.409 --> 01:15:18.949
don't have me on a leash this time and that's

01:15:18.949 --> 01:15:21.869
where you see the dog go oh they they lost their

01:15:21.869 --> 01:15:25.130
accountability and I got away with it. So that's

01:15:25.130 --> 01:15:27.729
where the prong collar really comes in, especially

01:15:27.729 --> 01:15:29.890
when you're using it on walks and things like

01:15:29.890 --> 01:15:31.810
that, where it's like, well, they have accountability

01:15:31.810 --> 01:15:35.189
to still correct me. And that's also where that

01:15:35.189 --> 01:15:37.409
drag line really can come into play, that tab

01:15:37.409 --> 01:15:40.689
leash, drag line, traffic handle, whatever, because

01:15:40.689 --> 01:15:44.869
the more times that you drive that pattern in,

01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.500
the more her brain is going to accept that, oh,

01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:52.899
this is normal. I have to listen because I always

01:15:52.899 --> 01:15:56.579
have to listen. And at that point, once that

01:15:56.579 --> 01:16:01.319
trigger is like tripped, that's where you finally

01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:06.460
see that breakthrough and you don't have to be

01:16:06.460 --> 01:16:09.380
as active in that. Right. It turns into muscle

01:16:09.380 --> 01:16:13.180
memory for the dog. Right. Yeah. I made the mistake

01:16:13.180 --> 01:16:15.079
once of not having her prong collar on for a

01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.699
walk and it was a hot mess. But every walk that

01:16:18.699 --> 01:16:20.420
I've taken with her with the prong collar, she

01:16:20.420 --> 01:16:23.460
has been so good. One day, actually it was just

01:16:23.460 --> 01:16:25.380
yesterday, we were walking and there was a cat.

01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:28.640
And Genoa just stopped and sat and watched the

01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.779
cat. Oh, I love that. And so she was, she was

01:16:31.779 --> 01:16:33.619
very, she didn't try to make a run for it or

01:16:33.619 --> 01:16:36.220
bark or anything. She just observed. And I let

01:16:36.220 --> 01:16:37.800
her sit there and watch the cat for a couple

01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:39.840
of minutes. And I was like, that was like, you

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.000
know, come. And she just came with me. Awesome.

01:16:42.779 --> 01:16:45.939
So she's got her moments. She's, you know, she's,

01:16:45.939 --> 01:16:48.720
you can tell she, she's, uh, she's not used to

01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:52.279
the constant, but she's right. With that consistency,

01:16:52.340 --> 01:16:55.039
right. You have a puppy, you have a bulldog puppy.

01:16:55.100 --> 01:16:58.760
And with that consistency, she will continue.

01:16:59.819 --> 01:17:04.119
to build that uh and look to you for that direction

01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:07.380
right right and we did take her out in the public

01:17:07.380 --> 01:17:09.739
yesterday to our chiropractor and she did really

01:17:09.739 --> 01:17:12.500
well in their office awesome yeah i had her most

01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:18.520
of the time with me and um people was asking

01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.000
if they could pet her and i said yeah you could

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.420
pet her and and then i would let make them come

01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:28.939
to her instead of letting her go to them And

01:17:28.939 --> 01:17:31.439
she worked really good with that. Awesome. And

01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:34.699
then she walked perfectly with me, knowing that

01:17:34.699 --> 01:17:38.279
I'm on my cane and I can't walk very fast. She

01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:42.699
stayed right by me. I love that. And then there

01:17:42.699 --> 01:17:46.260
was a couple of times where people were coming

01:17:46.260 --> 01:17:52.479
in and out of the chiropractor. And she would

01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:56.439
literally get up. from where she was laying and

01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:59.560
go to the opposite side of me. Cause she wasn't

01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:03.699
comfortable with them going, coming towards her.

01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.880
Right. Right. Right. So I thought that was interesting.

01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:10.899
Right. So she's, and she's looking to you. Yeah.

01:18:10.899 --> 01:18:14.260
She's looking for that. Right. Yeah. Giving herself

01:18:14.260 --> 01:18:18.279
some space. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she was, I could

01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.579
have asked her to have done any easier for me

01:18:20.579 --> 01:18:25.210
to take care of in a, in a, um, open environment

01:18:25.210 --> 01:18:31.770
like that. Awesome. Awesome. Nope. I love that.

01:18:33.729 --> 01:18:36.789
Anybody else have a question for this evening's

01:18:36.789 --> 01:18:43.189
episode? I guess we call it now. Hey Ryan, this

01:18:43.189 --> 01:18:46.649
is Heidi. Hey Heidi. How are you doing? Doing

01:18:46.649 --> 01:18:51.149
good. Do you have any suggestions? We still struggle

01:18:51.149 --> 01:18:53.949
with Maverick really doesn't have any food drive.

01:18:54.470 --> 01:18:59.909
I know we had been feeding him by hand, but we're

01:18:59.909 --> 01:19:03.649
really not seeing a lot of difference with that.

01:19:07.510 --> 01:19:14.210
Sorry, were you trying to talk, Michael? He just

01:19:14.210 --> 01:19:17.649
has no... No desire to eat. He might go all day

01:19:17.649 --> 01:19:20.170
long and decide to eat a little bit before he

01:19:20.170 --> 01:19:22.850
goes to bed at 5 o 'clock, 6 o 'clock. Is he

01:19:22.850 --> 01:19:28.170
losing weight? No. So then he's eating something.

01:19:29.369 --> 01:19:33.770
Is he ever left alone to be in the backyard?

01:19:33.909 --> 01:19:36.970
Is he eating anything in the backyard? Anything

01:19:36.970 --> 01:19:40.109
he can get a hold of. But he eventually eats

01:19:40.109 --> 01:19:42.510
his food. Does he just graze throughout the day?

01:19:45.110 --> 01:19:49.189
No, not really. He'll just pick a certain time

01:19:49.189 --> 01:19:51.710
of the afternoon to go and eat. But the food

01:19:51.710 --> 01:19:55.229
is always there and down for him? Correct. So

01:19:55.229 --> 01:19:57.350
that's where we see like a lack of food drive,

01:19:57.409 --> 01:19:59.350
right? Because a dog knows that it's available

01:19:59.350 --> 01:20:00.909
all the time and they can just eat it when they

01:20:00.909 --> 01:20:05.329
want. So when we pick feeding times for our dogs

01:20:05.329 --> 01:20:10.289
and we limit the access to it until it's feeding

01:20:10.289 --> 01:20:12.930
time, that's where you kind of see a dog that...

01:20:13.470 --> 01:20:16.029
stops waiting to eat their food and they will

01:20:16.029 --> 01:20:18.590
eat it when it's put down because they know hey

01:20:18.590 --> 01:20:20.970
if i don't eat it now like now now's my eating

01:20:20.970 --> 01:20:23.729
time i have to i have to eat so it's just like

01:20:23.729 --> 01:20:26.909
breakfast and and lunch and dinner for humans

01:20:26.909 --> 01:20:30.250
we you know at school especially they have a

01:20:30.250 --> 01:20:32.510
lunch hour right if if the kids don't eat during

01:20:32.510 --> 01:20:35.010
lunch hour lunch is over we're back in school

01:20:35.010 --> 01:20:38.409
now so We do see typically a lot of the time

01:20:38.409 --> 01:20:41.050
if dogs are allowed to graze and have access

01:20:41.050 --> 01:20:44.750
to as much food as they want all day they will

01:20:44.750 --> 01:20:47.329
like nitpick here and there and they're like

01:20:47.329 --> 01:20:50.470
well I'll eat a mouthful now and then later I'll

01:20:50.470 --> 01:20:52.890
eat one more mouthful and I don't really want

01:20:52.890 --> 01:20:55.529
any right now but maybe later because they know

01:20:55.529 --> 01:20:59.770
that it's just there all the time. Yeah. So,

01:20:59.930 --> 01:21:02.890
so I guess where we're going with this is there's

01:21:02.890 --> 01:21:06.090
two pieces to the hand feeding puzzle. One is,

01:21:06.109 --> 01:21:09.289
is the actual act of hand feeding. But the other

01:21:09.289 --> 01:21:13.689
part is that the dog shouldn't be able, they

01:21:13.689 --> 01:21:15.989
should have water available to them all the time,

01:21:16.050 --> 01:21:18.989
but they shouldn't have food available all the

01:21:18.989 --> 01:21:22.250
time. And so what that does is, yeah, maybe at

01:21:22.250 --> 01:21:26.550
first and the first day, maybe he decides, no,

01:21:26.649 --> 01:21:29.189
no. I'm not going to eat from your hand right

01:21:29.189 --> 01:21:33.810
now. Well, that's fine. But then, then that the

01:21:33.810 --> 01:21:37.529
next feeding time you try again. And he's like,

01:21:37.569 --> 01:21:39.810
no, no, I'm not going to eat from your hand.

01:21:39.869 --> 01:21:43.569
And you're like, okay, then tomorrow we'll try

01:21:43.569 --> 01:21:47.449
again. Now we don't ever recommend that we go

01:21:47.449 --> 01:21:51.229
like multiple days without making sure that they

01:21:51.229 --> 01:21:54.970
eat something, but you can make it at least.

01:21:55.430 --> 01:21:59.109
semi uncomfortable for that for a day or two

01:21:59.109 --> 01:22:02.369
the dog is not going to starve they've got water

01:22:02.369 --> 01:22:06.930
available available to them 24 7 they're um if

01:22:06.930 --> 01:22:09.210
you're monitoring their weight and they're not

01:22:09.210 --> 01:22:13.550
eating things like large amounts of things in

01:22:13.550 --> 01:22:16.149
the yard then they're getting food somewhere

01:22:16.149 --> 01:22:18.810
right like and it sounds like they're getting

01:22:18.810 --> 01:22:21.890
food from the rest of the day that that he's

01:22:21.890 --> 01:22:25.479
able to just like graze and and uh secure that

01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.479
food when he wants and so that's the other half

01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:32.039
of that leadership part is it needs to come from

01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:35.420
you rather than him deciding when he gets it

01:22:35.420 --> 01:22:41.079
he loves brassics he loves broccoli and cauliflower

01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.560
and but he'd rather have that than his dog food

01:22:46.090 --> 01:22:48.649
Right. Frozen broccoli is a great. And that's

01:22:48.649 --> 01:22:51.869
right. It's not even bad. Right. And if he would

01:22:51.869 --> 01:22:56.649
if he likes that, that's great. But so we're

01:22:56.649 --> 01:22:59.569
not we don't really recommend a specific food

01:22:59.569 --> 01:23:02.189
or we're not nutrition experts or anything like

01:23:02.189 --> 01:23:06.529
that on the dog training space. If you if your

01:23:06.529 --> 01:23:08.670
vet is on board with the food that you're eating,

01:23:08.829 --> 01:23:10.930
then we just kind of like give the thumbs up

01:23:10.930 --> 01:23:13.229
to that. It's totally fine. It's up to you. It's

01:23:13.229 --> 01:23:16.729
up to the individual owner. But as far as controlling

01:23:16.729 --> 01:23:20.409
the food, these are the best practices that we've

01:23:20.409 --> 01:23:23.569
found. And by controlling the food and you giving

01:23:23.569 --> 01:23:27.630
the food to your dog on your schedule, you will

01:23:27.630 --> 01:23:33.710
build increased value in your dog's eyes in you.

01:23:35.189 --> 01:23:38.930
Well, should we just set a specific time to feed

01:23:38.930 --> 01:23:41.899
him? Yeah, I would say most dogs do just fine

01:23:41.899 --> 01:23:44.239
with two times a day. So if you set a breakfast

01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:46.680
time and you set a dinner time and at breakfast

01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:50.079
time you offer them food right out of your hand,

01:23:50.140 --> 01:23:52.500
especially so when we're talking about Maverick,

01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:56.560
Maverick is going to embark on his training journey

01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.199
here pretty soon, but he's still trying to figure

01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.850
some things out, right? I think hand feeding

01:24:02.850 --> 01:24:06.210
is a great, great thing for you guys to institute

01:24:06.210 --> 01:24:09.590
to increase your value in his eyes before he

01:24:09.590 --> 01:24:13.510
goes into his training program. And so breakfast

01:24:13.510 --> 01:24:18.149
is here. Here's your food. And he either eats

01:24:18.149 --> 01:24:21.189
it or he doesn't. You give him about 10 minutes

01:24:21.189 --> 01:24:24.770
to kind of decide. And at that point, then you

01:24:24.770 --> 01:24:26.869
put the food away. And at dinnertime, you do

01:24:26.869 --> 01:24:30.079
the same thing. We've done this very, very successfully

01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.520
for multiple different clients, all who have

01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:34.979
told us that their dogs have no food drive and

01:24:34.979 --> 01:24:36.920
that has completely turned around for them. We

01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:39.800
have yet to have this fail. Yeah. And the dog

01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.760
will typically not choose it the first time,

01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.239
the second time, maybe the third time. But typically

01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:49.199
by the fourth meal, they're like, I'm really

01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:50.659
hungry. I'm going to go ahead and eat my food.

01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:52.460
And then you'll see them gobble it up. And they're

01:24:52.460 --> 01:24:54.859
like, man, they usually don't eat that food like

01:24:54.859 --> 01:24:57.300
that. But it's because they know that if. they

01:24:57.300 --> 01:24:59.800
don't eat it, it's going to be gone. And that

01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.359
doesn't change once they start eating. Like,

01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:07.819
so cool. They, they, what you're not doing also

01:25:07.819 --> 01:25:10.340
is you're not just adding up all the food that

01:25:10.340 --> 01:25:12.439
they didn't eat so that you make sure that they

01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:14.800
like get those calories. No, if, if they, if

01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:16.619
they skip a meal, they skip a meal. Just give

01:25:16.619 --> 01:25:19.760
them their next meal at the next meal time. Yeah.

01:25:19.819 --> 01:25:23.859
They'll catch up. They'll be fine. Okay. Does

01:25:23.859 --> 01:25:27.720
that make sense? Yes. Cool. It's like medication.

01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:31.939
Talking about the animals being on the furniture.

01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:34.960
How do you want to let Maverick get on the furniture?

01:25:35.180 --> 01:25:37.300
When I come in here, he sees me. He just jumps

01:25:37.300 --> 01:25:43.079
down. That right. That sounds, that sounds like

01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:48.460
something that you two need to discuss. I don't

01:25:48.460 --> 01:25:50.260
know that I can't jump into the middle of that

01:25:50.260 --> 01:25:52.819
one. That sounds like you might have two sets

01:25:52.819 --> 01:25:55.550
of rules. I'll be sitting in the lounge chair

01:25:55.550 --> 01:25:57.510
and she's on the couch and he'll get on the couch

01:25:57.510 --> 01:25:59.489
and he'll look at me and I start to get off the

01:25:59.489 --> 01:26:01.949
chair and he gets halfway off the couch. Right.

01:26:02.310 --> 01:26:03.829
He's like, yeah. I get a little bit further off

01:26:03.829 --> 01:26:05.369
the chair. He's a little bit further off the

01:26:05.369 --> 01:26:09.390
couch. If I get up, he's off the couch. He's

01:26:09.390 --> 01:26:10.649
like, nope, he's going to come over here and

01:26:10.649 --> 01:26:11.890
make me get down. I'm going to go in and get

01:26:11.890 --> 01:26:14.449
down. Exactly. Yeah. That's like he knows you

01:26:14.449 --> 01:26:16.890
guys' rules and who has different ones there.

01:26:18.869 --> 01:26:22.819
Smart dogs. Right. I like it. But this is how

01:26:22.819 --> 01:26:28.119
it goes. Any additional questions for tonight?

01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:37.529
No. Awesome. All right. And I'm going to... kind

01:26:37.529 --> 01:26:41.550
of start to close it up here. So thank you for

01:26:41.550 --> 01:26:44.989
tuning in tonight. Thank you to all of our clients

01:26:44.989 --> 01:26:48.710
for joining the call. Really appreciate you guys

01:26:48.710 --> 01:26:51.350
being here with it being the first episode and

01:26:51.350 --> 01:26:54.850
such. We definitely are going to make some mistakes

01:26:54.850 --> 01:26:59.510
along the way here. But I think the goal is to

01:26:59.510 --> 01:27:04.770
just kind of push dog training in a role or in

01:27:04.770 --> 01:27:08.619
a way that doesn't just focus on the commands

01:27:08.619 --> 01:27:12.760
and the tricks, the sit, down, stay, come. What

01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.899
we want to do is we want to really focus on the

01:27:15.899 --> 01:27:18.939
relationship between us and the dogs. I think

01:27:18.939 --> 01:27:22.380
that that's super important, and hopefully everybody

01:27:22.380 --> 01:27:26.399
got a chance to learn something tonight. With

01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.500
that, I'm going to say goodnight. It's been a

01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:31.619
pleasure, but I appreciate everybody tuning in.

01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:34.579
So good night from us. Good night. Good night.

01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.119
Thank you. Thank you. Good night.