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Imagine inventing a product, right? And this

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product is instantly valued at an estimated seven

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billion dollars. That is a staggering amount

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of money. Right. Now imagine simply giving it

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away, like entirely for free, turning down all

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of that wealth and then actually getting annoyed

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when people try to treat you like a celebrity.

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You'd probably think that person was, you know,

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either a saint or just deeply misunderstood.

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Exactly. Well, welcome to your custom -tailored

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deep dive. Today, we are pointing our lens at

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a name you definitely know. We're talking about

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Jonas Salk. The guy who cured polio. Yeah, that's

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the clean middle school history textbook version

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of it. But our mission today, and we're pulling

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this from a massive, incredibly detailed Wikipedia

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biography, is to completely deconstruct Salk's

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life. Because the real story is just so much

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more complicated. It really is. We want to understand

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not just the mechanics, of how he conquered this

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terrifying disease, but why he absolutely hated

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the fame that came with it, and how he spent

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the rest of his life trying to merge cold, hard

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biology with the messy reality of humanism. It

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is a phenomenal narrative to unravel. But, you

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know, to truly grasp the magnitude of what Salk

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accomplished, you really have to mentally brace

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yourself in the mid -century world his vaccine

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was born into. Right, because we forget how bad

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it was. I completely forget. This was a society

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completely paralyzed by the fear of polio. I

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mean, for a parent in the early 1950s, the onset

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of summer didn't mean vacation. It meant terror.

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Pure terror. Yeah. Summer brought empty public

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pools, deserted movie theaters, just this constant

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lingering fear that a simple sore throat could

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put your child in an iron lung. Which is just

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an unimaginably bleak reality. It was. And to

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understand how Salk broke that terror, we need

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to trace his roots. because his path to medical

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history was shaped heavily by the fiercely meritocratic

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working -class realities of the 1930s. Yeah,

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his origin story is so far from that traditional

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wealthy physician archetype we usually see. Oh,

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entirely. So, Jonas Salk was born in 1914 in

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New York City. His parents, Daniel and Dora,

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were working -class Jewish immigrants. They didn't

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have extensive formal education themselves, but

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they just relentlessly pushed their children.

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Education was the way out. Right. So, Salk ends

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up at Townsend -Harris Hall school. And this

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wasn't your average high school. It was a public

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school for gifted kids that literally forced

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you to cram a four -year curriculum into just

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three years. Just a grueling academic gauntlet.

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The school's motto was literally study study

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study. And that environment is a perfect encapsulation

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of the immigrant experience of that era. I mean,

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when you lack the pedigree or the generational

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wealth, the only lever you have to pull is raw

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effort. You just have to work harder. You simply

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had to outwork everyone else. And if you survive

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the crucible of towns in Harris, the typical

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next step was the City College of New York, or

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CCNY. Which Salk entered at age 15, by the way.

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15. Yeah, 15. And for working class families

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in New York at that time, CCNY was the apex.

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It was fiercely competitive. But the vital detail

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here is that tuition was completely free. Which

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is huge. It was everything. And it produced an

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astonishing amount of talent. Just from the 1930s

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and 40s alone, CCNY alumni went on to win eight

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Nobel prizes. OK, wait. Eight Nobel winners from

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a single free public college. Yep. Because the

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sources describe the facilities as barely second

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rate, like they had no real research labs to

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speak of, a terrible library, very few noted

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scholars on the faculty. So how does an underfunded

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place like that produce eight Nobel winners?

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Well, it comes down to a really dark reality

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of higher education in the 1930s. Specifically,

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the Ivy League quota system. Our source material

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highlights this staggering statistic. In 1935,

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Yale accepted 76 applicants to its medical school

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out of a pool of 501. 200 of those applicants

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were Jewish. OK. Yale accepted exactly five of

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them. Five out of 200. Yeah. That is just blatant

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institutionalized exclusion. Precisely. You had

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institutions like Cornell, Columbia, Penn, and

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Yale enforcing these rigid discriminatory quotas.

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Wow. And the unintended consequence of that prejudice

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was that it inadvertently concentrated the most

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brilliant, driven minds of an entire generation

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into public merit -based institutions like CCNY

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and later NYU Medical School, where Salk went

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next. So the buildings weren't prestigious, but

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the student body was just this unmatched intellectual

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powerhouse. Exactly. OK, let's unpack this, because

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here is the irony of Jonas Salk's career. The

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man who becomes the most famous doctor in the

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world actively tried to avoid practicing medicine.

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He really did. He was brilliant. He stood out

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from his peers. He earned Alpha Omega Alpha and

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Phi Beta Kappa honors. Which, for those unfamiliar,

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are essentially the highest academic honors a

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medical student and an undergrad can achieve.

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Right. It's the academic equivalent of saying

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he was demonstrably the smartest guy in the room.

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Yeah, he had all these accolades, but he had

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zero interest in treating individual patients.

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Like, I like to think of it this way. Salk didn't

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want to sit in a clinic and treat a waiting room

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full of individual people. He viewed humankind

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itself as his single patient. That's a great

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way to put it. And to treat humankind, you have

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to get out of the clinic and into the lab. But

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society at the time didn't see it that way, which

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brings up this amazing kind of sad detail from

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the sources. Oh, the wedding invitations. Yes.

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When he was getting married to his wife, Donna

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Lindsay, This was the day after he graduated

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medical school. Her father, who was a wealthy

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Manhattan dentist, really looked down on Salk.

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He thought the research path was beneath them.

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Right. He thought Salk's academic research -focused

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path was pedestrian. He actually forced Salk

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to adopt a middle name, Edward, just so the wedding

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invitations would look more prestigious. Jonas

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Edward Salk. It's just wild. The social barriers

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he was up against were immense. But what's fascinating

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here is that his detour away from the prestige

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of the clinic and into the grit of the laboratory

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laid the exact conceptual groundwork for his

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life's defining work. Because of the flu research.

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Exactly. During his last year of medical school,

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he took an elective to work in a lab study the

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influenza virus. This was cutting edge stuff.

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The flu virus had only been discovered a few

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years prior. Right. Salk and his mentors began

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asking this really mechanical question. Could

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you destroy a virus's ability to infect someone,

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but still use it to immunize them? So, essentially

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killing the virus, but leaving the physical structure

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intact so the body's immune system can still

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recognize it. And then build defenses against

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it. It's like showing the immune system a mugshot

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of the criminal, rather than letting the actual

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criminal into the house. The mugshot analogy

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is great, but the trick is... Doing that without

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destroying the virus so much that the immune

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system doesn't recognize the picture anymore.

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Right. If you bring the photograph, it's useless.

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Exactly. That was the central challenge. The

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mechanism they used involved treating the live

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virus with formaldehyde. The chemical used for

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embalming. Right. And it essentially scrambles

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the virus's internal genetic code. destroying

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its ability to replicate and cause disease while

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keeping its outer protein shell completely intact.

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So you destroy the engine but you keep the chassis.

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Perfect way to describe it. And by carefully

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designing these experiments, Salk proved this

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killed virus approach was viable. He later took

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this knowledge and worked on an army commission

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project in Michigan to develop an influenza vaccine

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that was widely used on military bases. And because

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Salk proved this killed virus concept for the

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flu in the military, he suddenly catches the

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attention of the people fighting the biggest

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domestic terror of the era. Polio. Polio. He

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moves to the University of Pittsburgh in 1947,

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gets his own lab and gets recruited by the National

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Foundation for Infantile Paralysis. The March

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of Dimes. Yes. This is the massive project established

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by President Franklin D. Roosevelt himself, funded

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by everyday people. So Sulk brings his killed

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virus theory to the table. But the scientific

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community was fiercely divided on this. Oh, there's

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a massive debate. You had brilliant peers like

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Albert Sabin, who strongly believed that only

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a live weakened virus could provide true lasting

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immunity. Sabin was working on a live oral vaccine,

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but Salk, going completely against the grain,

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bets everything on his formaldehyde method. It

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was a massive scientific gamble because a killed

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virus is inherently safer. It cannot mutate back

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into a virulent form and cause the disease. Because

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it's dead. Right. Sabin's live vaccine carried

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a tiny, but very real risk of doing exactly that.

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Yeah. Mutating and causing polio. However, Sabin

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and the scientific establishment argued a killed

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virus simply wouldn't provoke a strong enough

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or long lasting enough. immune response. Salk

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was convinced his flu vaccine research proved

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otherwise. But to prove it with polio, he needed

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data. He couldn't just stay in the lab anymore.

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No. He needed human data on an unprecedented

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scale. Which means we are talking about mobilization.

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Remember earlier when we said Salk wanted to

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treat humankind? Well, he couldn't treat humanity

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without mobilizing humanity first. It was a massive

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undertaking. Think about the logistics of this

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in 1954. There's no Internet. There are no supercomputers

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processing data. The numbers from the source

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material are just mind -boggling. They really

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are. The polio field trials involved 100 million

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contributors throwing their dimes into the pot,

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7 million volunteers, and over 1 .8 million school

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children participating as test subjects. The

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polio pioneers. The polio pioneers. And everything

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was tracked on physical index cards by 20 ,000

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physicians and 64 ,000 school personnel. It remains

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the most elaborate program of its kind in history.

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The sheer willpower required to execute that

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trial speaks to a deeply terrified public desperate

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for a cure. I mean, by 1954, a Gallup poll showed

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that more Americans knew about the polio field

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trials than could give the full name of the U

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.S. president. That is insane. I have to push

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back here, though, because our sources highlight

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some details about the early testing phases that

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sound incredibly jarring today. OK, yeah. Before

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rolling it out to the 1 .8 million pioneers,

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Salk tested the vaccine in 1952 on 43 children

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at the Watson home for crippled children. Right.

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He then tested it on children at the Polk State

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School for the retarded and feeble minded. And

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he tested it on his own three kids. Yeah, he

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did. Now, looking at this today, testing an experimental

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vaccine on institutionalized children. I mean,

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was this just the Wild West of medical ethics

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or was it a testament to Salk's unshakable conviction

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in his own science? It's a really difficult thing

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for us to look at now, but it's crucial to view

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this through the lens of the era's existential

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terror rather than modern regulatory frameworks.

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Because they didn't have the same rules back

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then. Exactly. Today we have institutional review

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boards, these ethical watchdogs that strictly

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protect human test subjects and require rigorous

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informed consent. Those just didn't exist in

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the same way then. Polio was an indiscriminate

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paralyzer, and the medical justification at the

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time was that institutionalized populations were

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actually at a significantly higher risk of rapid

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transmission. Because of the close quarters?

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Precisely. They were considered the most vulnerable.

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But your point about his conviction is key. Salk

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injecting his own wife and three young children

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was his way of stating unequivocally to the world,

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I am not asking anyone to take a risk that I

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am not willing to take with my own flesh and

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blood. He literally put his own family on the

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line to prove the formaldehyde method worked.

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And it did. It did. April 12th, 1955, the vaccine

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is officially declared safe and effective. Overnight,

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Jonas Salk is elevated to a folk hero. Airplane

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passengers would burst into spontaneous applause

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when pilots announced he was on board. Did you

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start clapping? Hotels would just upgrade him

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to penthouse suites. He couldn't eat at a restaurant

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without a crowd forming. Which brings us to a

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massive contradiction in his life. He hated the

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celebrity. He was appalled by it. The New York

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Times wrote that he was profoundly disturbed

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by the torrent of fame. He really just wanted

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to get back to his lab and his work. But he couldn't.

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No, because the grassroots scale of the trial,

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the fact that 100 million everyday people literally

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funded it with their pocket change, guaranteed

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that whoever cracked the code would be seen as

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public property. Here's where it gets really

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interesting, because this grassroots funding

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brings us to one of the most famous television

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moments of the 20th century. The Ed Murrow interview.

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Yes. Salk is being interviewed by the legendary

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broadcaster Ed Murrow, and Murrow asks him, who

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owns this patent? And Salk gives this incredibly

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poetic, immortal response. He says, well, the

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people, I would say. There is no patent. Could

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you patent the sun? It's a beautiful quote. And

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it cemented his legacy as a pure, selfless scientist.

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The public just ate it up. Of course they did.

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But the source material provides a fascinating

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reality check on that moment. The lawyers for

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the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis

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absolutely did look into patenting the vaccine.

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Wait, really? Because the myth we all learn is

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that he just altruistically waved it all away

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to save the world. Well his personal altruism

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was very real, but the legal reality was much

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colder. The lawyers investigated it because a

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patent would have been worth an estimated seven

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billion dollars. Seven billion? Yes. But they

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ultimately determined that the vaccine was not

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a patentable invention because of a legal concept

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called prior art. Prior art, meaning the techniques

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he used weren't entirely novel, right? Right.

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He just applied existing methods like his flu

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research and the formaldehyde technique. perfectly

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to the polio virus, it would be like trying to

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patent a chocolate chip cookie when the techniques

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for baking and mixing dough have existed for

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centuries. You made a great cookie, but you didn't

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invent baking. That is the exact legal hurdle

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they faced. The patent attorney for the foundation

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literally went on record saying that if there

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was any patentable novelty, it would be of an

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extremely narrow scope and doubtful value. Wow.

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So legally, they couldn't patent it, even if

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they aggressively wanted to. Wow. So Salk became

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a prisoner of his own success. He was trapped

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in a golden cage built by the very public he

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sought to save. It really was. Because he truly

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had zero interest in making money. I mean, he

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explicitly told reporters that he equated money

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to unnecessary things like mink coats and Cadillacs.

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He didn't want the billions, but the public adoration

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just wouldn't stop. This raises an important

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question, though. Even if the lawyers concluded

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it wasn't patentable, Salk's public stance. His

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refusal on national television to even entertain

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the idea of personal ownership had a profound

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cultural impact. How so? Well, think about it.

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Who actually owns a scientific breakthrough when

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it is funded by the dimes of everyday citizens?

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Right. Salk's assertion that it belonged to the

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people solidified the concept of the vaccine

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as a global public good. And the distribution

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strategy worked. By 1959, his vaccine had reached

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90 countries. But he still couldn't escape the

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shadow of that success. Salk said in a 1980 interview,

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he said, it's as if I've been a public property

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ever since. It altered my career, my relationships

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with colleagues. I am a public figure, no longer

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one of them. That sounds incredibly isolated.

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Yeah. He was desperate to escape the limelight

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and return to what he called things human. So

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instead of just retreating, he decides to build

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a physical sanctuary. The Institute. Right. A

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place that would force the rigid world of science

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and the messy world of the humanities to literally

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collide. In 1963, he opens the Salk Institute

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for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California.

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And he didn't just throw up some sterile laboratory

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buildings. He hired the legendary architect Louis

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Kahn. Which is such a flex. It is. Salk envisioned

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a Socratic academy. He saw the two cultures of

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science and humanism as totally alienated from

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one another. And he wanted an atmosphere designed

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for cross -fertilization. I love this detail

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from the sources about the architecture itself.

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Salk and Louis Kahn designed it so that instead

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of concrete facings along the walkways, Kahn

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installed chalkboards. Yes. Blackboards right

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there on the walls outside. Imagine you are walking

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from your lab to get a coffee. You bump into

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a physicist or a philosopher. You have a spontaneous

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aha moment in the middle of a conversation. And

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you can just grab some chalk, start working out

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the math right there on the wall. It's so brilliant.

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It's engineering serendipity. It's building a

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physical space that demands collaboration, and

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it reflects a massive shift in Salk's own worldview.

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How did his worldview shift? Well, in 1966, the

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New York Times dubbed him the father of biophilosophy.

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Biophilosophy. Yeah. Salk believed that human

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history was undergoing a fundamental transition.

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He argued that in the past epoch, humanity was

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consumed by what he called death control. Death

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control, like fighting high mortality, fighting

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disease, just trying to survive. Exactly. That

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was the era of the polio vaccine. But he said

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the future would be defined by being pro -life

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and pro -health. We need to unpack that shift,

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moving from death control to pro -health. Meaning,

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shifting from a society whose primary goal is

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just trying not to die from infectious diseases

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to a society focused on optimizing human potential.

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Precisely. Moving from simply surviving to managing

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population growth, understanding our ecological

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place in nature, and improving the actual quality

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of the human experience. Wow. He had this incredible

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definition of a bio -philosopher. He said, it's

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someone who recognizes that we are the product

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of evolution. but that through our consciousness

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and our science, we have actually become the

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process itself. We are, in his words, co -authors

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with nature of our destiny. Co -authors with

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nature. That is a heavy, beautiful responsibility.

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And it wasn't just abstract philosophy for him

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either. He lived this until the very end. If

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we connect this to the bigger picture of his

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life, you see that he never stopped working on

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humanity's deepest physical and cultural wounds.

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Even way later in life. Well, yeah. In the 1980s,

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when he was in his 70s, He didn't retire. He

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co -founded a corporation to research and develop

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a vaccine for HIV and AIDS, applying his killed

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virus theories to a new pandemic. In his 70s.

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Yeah. And beyond the lab, he was a fierce activist

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for human rights. In 1995, the year he died,

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he was one of the original signatories of a resolution

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asking the world court. to help end the genital

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mutilation of children worldwide. He was just

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constantly looking at the macro structure of

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human suffering. From the microscopic structure

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of a virus to the macro structure of global society.

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So what does this all mean for you listening

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right now? We started this deep dive looking

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at a working -class kid who skipped grades, faced

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down Ivy League prejudice at a free public college,

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and actively tried to avoid becoming a practicing

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doctor. A man who then orchestrated the largest

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public health trial in human history, gambled

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everything on a formaldehyde -killed virus, became

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a completely reluctant global celebrity who couldn't

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even patent his own work. And then built a literal

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architectural cathedral on the cliffs of California

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to merge biology with philosophy. It's an unbelievable

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life. We started by talking about those bronze

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statues, how we expect our heroes to be solid,

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simple, and safe. But the real Jonas Salk wasn't

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safe. He took massive calculated risks. He injected

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his own kids with an experimental vaccine because

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he believed the data and he pushed boundaries

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his entire life. And that brings us to a final

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thought from the source material that feels incredibly

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urgent today. What's that? In 1984, Sulk was

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speaking on Capitol Hill and he argued that people

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must be prepared to take prudent risks. He warned

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the audience that a risk -free society would

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become a dead -end society without progress.

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A risk -free society is a dead -end society.

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I want you to sit with that for a second. Look

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at our world today. The constant information

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overload, the hyper -caution, the endless debates

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over data where we are terrified of making the

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wrong move. We want guarantees before we act.

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Right. Are we losing the very scientific audacity,

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that willingness to take a prudent risk that

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allowed a guy like Salk to conquer polio in the

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first place? It makes you look at those solid

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bronze statues a little differently, doesn't

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it?
