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So I want you to imagine something for a second.

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Imagine you just get hired as a secretary. You're

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expecting filing, typing, making coffee. But

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instead, your brand new boss immediately sends

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you into the deep African jungle to study wild

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apes. I mean, that sounds like a joke, right?

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Or a really intense reality show. Exactly. But

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it actually happened. And the wild thing is,

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back in 1960, the scientific establishment believed

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two things with like, absolute, unquestionable

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certainty. Right, the golden rules of biology

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at the time. Yeah. First, that humans, and only

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humans, could make tools. That was the line in

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the sand. And second, that wild chimpanzees were

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these gentle, peaceful vegetarians. Which was

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just accepted dogma. No one questioned it. Nobody.

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until a 26 -year -old secretary from England,

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who had zero college degrees and, I mean, absolutely

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no formal scientific training, just completely

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shattered both of those assumptions. Violently

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shattered them, honestly. Yeah. So today's deep

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dive is into the life, the totally unorthodox

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methods, and the legacy of Jane Goodall, who

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recently passed away in October of 2025. At 91

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years old, yeah. Right. And our mission for you

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today, as we go through these sources, is to

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figure out how someone completely outside this

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system fundamentally redefined what it means

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to be human. And not just that, but how she leveraged

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that whole scientific earthquake into this massive

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global conservation empire. So to really get

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the magnitude of this, we need to go back to

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the beginning, the origin story. Yeah, you have

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to mentally transport yourself to the early 1960s,

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to the Gombe stream in Tanzania. lush, steep,

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incredibly remote terrain. Exactly. And the context

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here is crucial because she wasn't chosen for

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this impossible field study in spite of her lack

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of a university background. Wait, really? Yeah.

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She was chosen by her mentor specifically because

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she didn't have one. OK, let's unpack this. Because

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that mentor was Louis Leakey, the legendary paleoanthropologist.

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All right. But how does the secretary end up

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working for Louis Leakey? We have to look at

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her childhood. She was born in London in 1934.

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Instead of a normal teddy bear, her dad gives

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her a stuffed toy chimpanzee. Named Jubilee.

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Yes, Jubilee, which is just so hyper realistic.

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And it completely horrified her mother's friends.

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I mean, they thought it was grotesque. They thought

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she'd get night terrors from it. Yeah, but instead

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it sparked this lifelong obsessive love for African

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wildlife. So fast forward to 1957. She goes to

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Kenya, gets a secretarial job, and just... She

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literally cold calls Louie Leakey. No pitch.

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Nothing. Just wants to talk to someone about

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animals. And Leakey at this point is a giant

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in the field. He's digging up hominid fossils

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in the Olduvai Gorge, trying to figure out human

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origins. Right, and Leakey had this radical theory.

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He believed fossils only show you bone structure.

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Makes sense. But if you want to understand how

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our ancestors behaved like, how they solved problems,

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how they socialized... You have to study the

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great apes alive today. So he needs a researcher

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to go live with wild chimps. Exactly. But he

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doesn't tell her that right away. He hires her

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as a secretary, takes her on a dig to test her

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resilience, and then finally drops the Gombe

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stream plan on her. Which, by the way, was considered

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so absurdly dangerous that the park's chief warden

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wouldn't even let her go alone. Oh, yeah. The

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mandatory chaperone. Right. A 26 -year -old woman

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heading into uncharted jungle for primate research.

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And she has to bring her mom. Her mother, Van.

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Honestly, it was a godsend because field biology

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in the 60s was this aggressively male -dominated

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space. Oh, for sure. Having her mom there running

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base camp gave Goodall this crucial psychological

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anchor because it took months just to get the

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chimps to not run away when they saw her. Just

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brutal, exhausting work. And Leakey is so confident

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in her that by 1962, he forces the academic world

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to take her seriously. He gets her into Cambridge

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for a PhD. Without a bachelor's degree. Right.

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She's only the eighth person in Cambridge history

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to ever be allowed to do that. But here's my

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question. This is like a tech CEO hiring a brilliant

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high schooler to lead R &D specifically because

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they aren't brainwashed by industry norms yet.

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That's a great way to put it. But wasn't that

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incredibly risky for Leakey's own reputation?

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Why bypass the whole academic system? Well, what's

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fascinating here is that Leakey knew a top -tier

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biology grad in the 50s would be totally indoctrinated.

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Into ethology, right? Exactly. The science of

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animal behavior back then was so clinical, they

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treated animals like stimulus response machines.

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Oh, just cold data. Yeah. Trained ethologists

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would have gone to Gombe with academic blinders

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on, just measuring distances and ticking boxes

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on a clipboard. But good all... was a blank slate.

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She didn't know the rules. Right. She just watched

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them without trying to force them into a math

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model. But because she didn't know the rules,

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she immediately commits the ultimate scientific

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sin of that era. The naming. Yes. The gold standard

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was to use numbers. Subject 1, subject 14. You

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strip identity to stay objective. But she ignores

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it entirely. Raisingly ignores it. She names

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them David Greybird, Flo, Frodo. Goliath. And

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she writes field notes about them hugging and

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kissing and tickling each other. And the establishment

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lost its collective mind. They accused her of

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anthropomorphism. Right. Projecting human emotions

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onto animals. Basically accused her of writing

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Disney fairy tales and calling it science. Okay,

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but playing devil's advocate here, here's where

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it gets really interesting. Numbering subjects

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actually seems like basic logical scientific

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objectivity. It does. By naming them David and

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deciding he has a brave personality, didn't she

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severely risk projecting human narratives and

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losing her scientific credibility? That is exactly

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what her professors at Cambridge hammered her

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with. But history proved them completely wrong.

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How so? Because naming wasn't just a cute quirk,

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it was a revolutionary data tool. Chimp societies

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are incredibly complex. Like political alliances

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and stuff? Yes. Intergenerational politics, deep

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familial grief, social hierarchy spanning decades.

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You cannot track 50 years of Machiavellian family

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dynamics if you only see subject 14 interacting

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with subject 26. Ah, so you need the individual

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narrative to see the big picture. Exactly. Treating

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them as individuals unlocked a depth that cold

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metrics couldn't capture. Empathy became a valid

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scientific instrument. And that empathy leads

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directly to the massive breakthrough. She spends

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months gaining the trust of this male chimp,

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David Greybeard. And one day, she sees him at

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a termite mound. This is the moment. He doesn't

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just use a stick. She watches him deliberately

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pick a leafy twig, strip the leaves off to smooth

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it out, and then fish for termites. He modified

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an object from his environment? He manufactured

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a tool. And you really can't overstate how huge

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that was. The scientific consensus literally

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defined our species as man the toolmaker. It

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was our exclusive club. Right. It was the impenetrable

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wall separating humanity from the beasts. So

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she telegraphs Leaky and his response is legendary.

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We must now redefine man, redefine tool or accept

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chimpanzees as human. Such an amazing quote.

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She completely erased the line between us and

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them. She did. But. And this is the big but,

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if we accept they're like us with familial love

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and tool making. They also share our shadows.

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Exactly. And that is the jarring part. The second

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dogma she destroyed was the peaceful vegetarian

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ape myth. Yeah, this was a tough pill to swallow.

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She discovered they are strategic, highly active

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hunters. She saw them hunting a colobus monkey,

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and it wasn't just scavenging. It was a coordinated

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military tactic. Blocking escape routes, flushing

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the monkey out, dividing the meat. They're apex

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predators. They eat up to a third of the park's

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colobus population every single year. It totally

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shattered that noble savage illusion, and it

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got darker, much darker. The Gombe Chimpanzee

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War. Right, from 1974 to 1978. Good -ol used

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to think chimps were inherently better than humans,

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but then a community split into two factions,

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the Kasekila and the Kahama. And it was a systematic

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annihilation. Over four years, the larger faction

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hunted down and murdered every single male of

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the smaller faction. Just horrifying brutality,

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dominant females killing rival infants to keep

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status, cannibalism. Goodall wrote about waking

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up terrified in the night. She was traumatized

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by seeing this innate violence in animals she

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loved. This is like finding out your sweet vegetarian

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grandmother is secretly running an underground

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bare -knuckle boxing ring. Huh, exactly. Just

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a total paradigm shift. But this sparks a huge

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controversy. A researcher named Margaret Power

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pointed a finger at Goodall's use of artificial

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feeding stations. Right, the banana camps. To

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get the chimps used to humans, Goodall's team

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had set up a central location with bananas. And

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Margaret Power has a massive point here. If you

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drop a highly valuable concentrated food source

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into a wild population, you create artificial

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scarcity. And competition. So what does this

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all mean? Did her own methodology accidentally

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manufacture the war? She became famous for documenting.

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Well, this raises an important question about

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the observer effect in science. How much does

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studying a system alter it? Right. And to her

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credit, Goodall didn't shy away. She admitted

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the bananas probably amplified the aggression.

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High value resources caused tension. Sure. But

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she fiercely maintained that it only altered

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the intensity of the conflict, not the fundamental

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nature of the species. The capacity for war was

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innate. The bananas were just a catalyst. Exactly.

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And subsequent research totally vindicated her.

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Other primatologists doing long -term studies

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without feeding stations still observed intergroup

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warfare and infanticide. So the duality is real,

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the empathy and the violence? It is. Though in

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2017, she did admit she wouldn't use feeding

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stations today. Because of disease, right? Yeah.

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We know now how easily human diseases can wipe

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out ape populations through close contact. And

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that willingness to adapt is what pulled her

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out of the jungle. Yeah. Sources point to a very

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specific moment. A 1986 con... in Chicago called

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Understanding Chimpanzees. She walked in as a

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researcher and walked out as a full -time activist.

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Because what's the point of gathering behavior

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data if the forest they live in is being destroyed?

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Exactly. The habitat destruction and bushmeat

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trade data presented there just changed her life.

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So she found the Jane Goodall Institute and the

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Roots and Shoots Youth Program. But the program

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that really blows my mind is to care. Oh, it

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was brilliant. Traditional conservation was just

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draw a line on a map. build a fence, keep humans

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out. But she realized if the humans bordering

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the park are starving and need firewood to boil

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water so their kids don't get dysentery. Offense

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means nothing. They'll cut the forest down to

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survive. Exactly. So Ticare focused entirely

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on the humans. It was holistic. Agricultural

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training, microloans. Scholarships for local

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girls to go to college. They turned desperate

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competitors into economically stable stakeholders

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in the forest's survival. Such a massive shift

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in philosophy. And she pushed this advocacy globally,

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getting captive chimps in the U .S. listed as

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endangered. She even went vegan. She really aligned

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her whole life with her ethics. But, okay, let's

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unpack this part, because amidst all this heavy,

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world -changing activism, her personal life was

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full of these crazy contradictions. Oh, she had

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some amazing quirks. You'd think the world's

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preeminent chimp expert would love chimps the

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most, but she explicitly stated her favorite

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animals were actually dogs. She never hid it.

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Just a profound love for dogs. And the detail

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that genuinely stunned me. She suffered from

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prosopagnosia. Face blindness. The woman who

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forced science to recognize the individual faces

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of wild chimpanzees struggled her entire life

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to recognize human faces. The irony is just staggering,

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but I think it speaks to how differently her

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brain processed the world. Oh, for sure. Which

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extended to the unknown, too. She was publicly

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fascinated by cryptids. Yes. She told the Huffington

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Post she'd read all the accounts of Bigfoot and

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would actually love for it to exist. Which sounds

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absurd for a rigorous scientist. It feels like

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finding out Einstein's favorite subject was recess.

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It's almost a punchline. But think about it.

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The only reason she discovered tool use was because

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her mind was radically open to the impossible.

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Oh, that's true. Why wouldn't she entertain an

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undiscovered primate? Exactly. She never let

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academia extinguish her sense of wonder. And

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that genuine approachability is why she became

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a pop culture icon. Which brings us to her legacy.

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She passed away in 2025 on a speaking tour, but

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her cultural footprint is just immortal. Stevie

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Nicks wrote a song about her. She voiced herself

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on The Simpsons. Mattel made a Barbie of her

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from recycled plastic. She was basically a scientific

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rock star. How many ethologists have groupies?

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Almost none. But if we connect this to the bigger

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picture, she wielded that fame with such brilliant

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humor. Oh, man, the Gary Larson incident. Yes.

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So in 1987, Gary Larson publishes a far side

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comic. Two chimps are grooming each other. One

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finds a blonde hair and says, conducting a little

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more research with that Jane Goodall tramp. Very

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classic, edgy far side. Her institute's lawyers

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were furious. They were drafting cease and desist

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letters, calling it an atrocity. Ready to sue

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for defamation. When she was out in the field.

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When she finally gets back and sees it, she absolutely

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loves it. She thought it was hilarious. She shuts

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down the lawyers, calls it her favorite pop culture

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depiction. And then this is the PR judo master

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class. She starts selling T -shirts of the comic

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to fund her institute. It's the perfect example

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of her zero ego approach, though, you know, the

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universe has a twisted sense of humor. Oh, right,

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because when Gary Larson actually visited Gombe

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the next year, he got physically attacked and

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roughed up by a chimp named Frodo. You literally

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cannot write a better punchline to that saga.

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But it shows how strategic she was. Every talk

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show, every joke was a calculated move to fund

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conservation. So when you look at her whole 91

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-year arc, the takeaway is so empowering. A young

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secretary with a stuffed toy redefines human

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exceptionalism just by watching with empathy.

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She sees the brutal warfare in nature and still

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dedicates her life to protecting it by uplifting

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the humans around it. She proves that approaching

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a complex problem with a beginner's mind can

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literally change the world. Which brings me to

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one final fascinating detail from the sources

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that I want you to mull over. She wrote 32 books

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in her life. A huge output. The 2013 book, Seeds

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of Hope, had a massive plagiarism scandal. Right

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before release, reviewers found chunks copied

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from websites, including Wikipedia. Unattributed.

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It was a big deal. She had to apologize, halt

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the release, and add 57 pages of endnotes. And

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her excuse. She blamed her fundamentally chaotic

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note -taking. It's definitely a black mark, but

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it forces us to look at the double -edged sword

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of her genius. Exactly. The same chaotic, untethered

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mind that caused a publishing scandal was the

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exact same mind that saw what the rigid 1960s

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academics completely missed. Right. So how much

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of brilliant paradigm shifting science relies

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entirely on the messy, unconventional thinking

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that modern academia tries so hard to eliminate?

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That's a profound question. You probably wouldn't

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hire an uncredentialed secretary to run your

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lab today. But if we filter out everyone who

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doesn't fit the mold, Whose discoveries are we

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missing? Something to really think about. We'll

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catch you on the next Deep Dive.
