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Picture a kid, barely tall enough to reach the

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kitchen counter, being ushered into a room to

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perform. Right, like a tiny toddler. Yeah, exactly.

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And not just for a recital and a school gymnasium.

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This kid is holding a stringed instrument, getting

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ready to play for the president of the United

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States. Which is terrifying enough on its own.

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Totally. And not just once, but for two different

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presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F.

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Kennedy. And he did this before he was even in

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the third grade. It's just unfathomable. It really

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is. And usually when we hear about a childhood

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like that, we expect a very specific trajectory,

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right? Like a story of rigid perfectionism, eventual

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burnout, and basically a life lived entirely

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inside a soundproof practice room. Oh, absolutely.

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The expectation of flawless execution at that

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age, it usually creates this intense pressure

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cooker. It often isolates a person, kind of narrowing

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their entire universe down to just the wood and

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strings. in their hands. But then you look at

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today's subject, and that expectation is just

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completely shattered. So welcome to today's deep

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dive. If you're listening, you are our favorite

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learner. And we've been digging through a massive

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biographical dossier to bring you the story of

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one of the most recognizable names in music history,

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the American cellist, Yo -Yo Ma. And it is quite

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a dossier. Oh, yeah. But our mission today isn't

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just to list his Grammy Awards or recite his

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resume. We really want to uncover the mechanics

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of his life. How does a child prodigy evolve

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into a cultural anthropologist, a global diplomat,

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and a pop culture icon who uses a 300 -year -old

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piece of wood to connect humanity? OK, let's

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unpack this. To set the stage for you, I want

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you to imagine the backdrop of our conversation

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shifting. So we start in a pristine, gilded,

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classical concert hall. Very traditional. Right.

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But then the walls dissolve and we're suddenly

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on the dusty trails of the ancient Silk Road,

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surrounded by all these global instruments. I

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love that visual. Yeah. And then finally, we

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settle into a bustling, chaotic, modern cityscape.

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That visual journey really represents his completely

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genre -defying career. Born in 1955 in Paris

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to Chinese parents, he has released over 92 albums.

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Wow, 92. And won 20 Grammy Awards. But, you know,

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those numbers, as massive as they are, they don't

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actually capture his real legacy. His true impact

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is how he fundamentally dismantled what it means

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to be a classical musician. We really have to

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start at the beginning, I think, to understand

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the foundation he was building on. Because his

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mother... Marina was a singer, and his father,

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Hiao -Cin, was a violinist, composer, and professor.

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A very musical household. Super musical. They

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had fled the Chinese Civil War to Paris, where

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he was born, and then moved to Boston when he

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was seven. And he played the violin, the piano,

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and the viola. But he finally settled on the

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cello in 1960, at the age of four. And the story

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behind that choice is just fantastic. It's so

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good. Right. At three years old, he actually

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wanted to play the massive double bass. Just

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picture a toddler trying to wrap his arms around

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an instrument that is essentially a piece of

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furniture. He was incredibly persistent about

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it, too. He ended up compromising with his father,

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who went to a renowned Parisian violin maker

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named Etienne Vettelot. OK. And Vettelot lent

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them a tiny 1 -16th size cello. which finally

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satisfied him. A 1 16th size cello. That's amazing.

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It's adorable. But the reality of his early years

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was really intense. His father managed his early

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education before realizing, you know, his son

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needed a more skilled teacher. So he signed him

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up with Michelle Lapinte. From there, the trajectory

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is staggering. Yeah, the presidents. Exactly.

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Performing for Eisenhower and JFK at age seven.

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By age eight, he's debuting on American television

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with his sister, Yu Cheng. Who later became a

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pediatrician, right? Yes, she did. And they were

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introduced on that broadcast by none other than

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Leonard Bernstein. I mean, that is wild. And

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by nine, he's on The Tonight Show, introduced

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by Isaac Stern. If you think about the psychology

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of that, being a prodigy... It's kind of like

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being a child CEO of a highly structured, high

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stakes startup. That's a great comparison. Every

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minute of your day is optimized for this one

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singular output. Yeah. But how does someone grow

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up in that environment without becoming a cello

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playing robot? Like, yeah, doesn't that kind

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of intense singular focus usually severely stunt

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a person's worldview? Well, what's fascinating

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here is his educational pivot. It completely

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altered his trajectory. because he went to Juilliard,

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studying with the great Leonard Rose. He briefly

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attended Columbia University, but then he transfers

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to Harvard College, and he doesn't get a degree

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in music performance. In 1976, he graduates from

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Harvard with a bachelor's degree in anthropology.

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Wait, anthropology? Yeah. So he essentially steps

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out of the practice room and starts studying

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the entirety of the human race. Exactly. That

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anthropological lens is what saved him from the

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prodigy trap. He spent his time at Harvard and

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his summers at the Marlboro Music Festival. Yeah,

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where he actually met his future wife, Jill Horner.

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And he played under his childhood hero there,

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Pablo Casals. Instead of just obsessing over

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the physics of playing notes perfectly, he started

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studying the underlying human condition. Who

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were the people that wrote these notes? What

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were the cultural forces that shaped them? So

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it wasn't just about technique anymore? Not at

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all. Anthropology became the secret decoder ring

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for his entire career. Because if you look at

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the world through the lens of human culture,

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you can't stay siloed in the traditional classical

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music lane. It's too restrictive. You know? Critics

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have called his playing style omnivorous. And

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when you look at what he actually plays, you

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totally see why. Oh, definitely. I mean, he has

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absolute mastery of the standard classic. repertoire,

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sure. But then he takes his cello and drops it

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into American bluegrass, traditional Chinese

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melodies, the tangos of Argentine composer Astor

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Piazzolla, and contemporary, resilient music.

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Think about the mechanics of what you just described,

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though. Taking a classical cello into a bluegrass

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setting isn't just a matter of playing different

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notes. Right, it's a whole different vibe. It's

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a different physical technique. He had to physically

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unlearn the precise metronome -like timing of

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classical music. He had to learn the bluegrass

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chop technique. What's the chop technique? It's

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where you use the cello bow, almost like a percussion

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instrument, hitting the strings to keep the offbeat.

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It requires an entirely different physical relationship

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with the instrument. Wow. And the collaborations

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are just wild. Bobby McFerrin, Carlos Santana,

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James Taylor. He even contributed to a charity

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tribute album called the Metallica Blacklist.

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Yes. He backed up Miley Cyrus on a cover of the

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song Nothing Else Matters, like taking an instrument

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historically associated with European aristocracy

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and using its dark, resonant undercurrent to

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anchor a heavy metal track. It's brilliant. We

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also see his anthropological approach in his

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film scores. I mean, he's featured on John Williams's

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soundtracks for seven years in Tibet. and Memoirs

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of a Geisha. Gorgeous soundtracks. Beautiful.

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And he recorded Ennio Morricone's legendary compositions

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for films like The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

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But the ultimate manifestation of this is the

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Silk Road Ensemble, which he founded. Tell me

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about the Silk Road Ensemble. Well, he brought

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together musicians from diverse countries historically

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linked by the ancient trade route. He wanted

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to physically demonstrate how cultures naturally

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bleed into one another. He was blending instruments

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like the cello with the Chinese pipo or the Indian

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tabla. He even took this beyond music into physical

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space, which is crazy. In Toronto, he co -designed

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a music garden. He literally collaborated with

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landscape architects to translate Bach's Suite

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No. 1 into the physical environment. How does

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that even work? sections of the garden mirror

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the swirling, flowing dance movements of the

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suite. But here's where it gets really interesting.

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It's like he is a master linguist trying to speak

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every dialect on earth. But if you're listening

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to this, you might be wondering, if you spread

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yourself across bluegrass, tango, heavy metal,

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and landscape architecture, don't you eventually

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lose your edge as a classical master, like Jack

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of all trades, master of none. Does he risk diluting

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his core talent. It's the natural assumption

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to make, for sure. But genre isn't a boundary

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to him. It's just a different dialect, the exact

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same human language. OK, I see. His rich, smooth

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tone, his virtuosic technique, and what critics

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call his soulful lyricism that remains a constant

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grounding force underneath all these wild explorations.

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He doesn't change how he speaks through the cello.

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He just expands who he is speaking to. That makes

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a lot of sense. And you don't get to hop between

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17th century Bach and modern bluegrass. using

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just any instrument. Ma's empathy for different

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cultures actually extends to the wood itself.

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Which brings us to the fascinating, almost human

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relationship he has with his cellos. I mean...

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They're practically supporting characters in

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his story. Oh, absolutely. They require a deep

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partnership. His primary performance cello is

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the Davidoff Stradivarius, made by Antonio Stradivari

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in 1712. This is 1712. Yeah. It's an instrument

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with immense history. It was actually bequeathed

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to him by the legendary cellist Jacqueline Dupre.

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And what's fascinating is that Jacqueline Dupre

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actually found that exact cello incredibly frustrating.

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She called it unpredictable. Right, because she

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had a very impassioned, fiery, aggressive playing

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style. She played with a very heavy bow arm.

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But when he inherited it, he realized the Stradivarius

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simply couldn't be attacked. If you apply too

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much pressure, the sound chokes. It just shuts

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down. Exactly. He noted that the instrument must

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be coaxed. You have to lighten the touch and

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just let the natural resonance of the 300 -year

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-old wood do the work. It's like someone driving

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a temperamental, priceless, vintage Formula One

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car. If you force it, if you just mash the gas,

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it spins out and fights you. But if you partner

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with it, if you listen to what the engine wants,

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it flies. So Jacqueline Dupré essentially tried

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to tame a wild horse, but he realized he had

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to whisper to it. That is a perfect analogy.

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That kind of sensitivity is a requirement for

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these instruments. And it's not his only priceless

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cello. He also plays a 1733 Domenico Montagnana

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cello, which has a fantastic name. Petunia. Petunia.

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A student in Salt Lake City approached him after

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a class and asked if the cello had a nickname.

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He said no, but told her she could name it if

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he played for her. She picked Petunia, and it

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stuck. I love that a 1733 masterpiece is named

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Petunia. But man, Petunia's had a very stressful

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life. Oh, you mean the taxi incident. Yes. In

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1999, he accidentally left it. And keep in mind,

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this is an instrument valued a few years later

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at $2 .5 million in the trunk of a New York City

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taxi cab. Oh my god. Just imagine the absolute

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panic of watching a Ford Crown Vic drive away

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with a multi -million dollar piece of history

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in the back. Thankfully, It was quickly returned

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undamaged. But 1999 was relentless for Petunia.

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Later that same year, the cello's neck was severely

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damaged by an x -ray baggage scanner in Taiwan.

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Ouch. Yeah. He had a concert to play, so he had

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to scramble and borrow the Paul Stradivarius

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from the local Cime Museum just so he could perform.

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But impressively, Petunia was repaired by a local

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luthier just in time for him to actually play

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both cellos during the concert. He's very adaptable,

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though. He also plays modern cellos, including

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one made entirely of carbon fiber. That adaptability

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is key. Like, he doesn't just stick to the antique

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wood. Exactly. And this raises an important question

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about the relationship between the artist and

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the world around them. Notice how his approach

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to the Davidoff Stradivarius, that it must be

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coaxed rather than forced, mirrors his entire

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worldview. He doesn't impose his will on the

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wood, he collaborates with it, and he does the

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exact same thing with people. He really does.

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He takes that collaborative empathy and deploys

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it in places where language has failed or broken

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down entirely. I mean, think about September

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11, 2002. He was the first performer at the site

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of the World Trade Center, as the names of the

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dead were read on the first anniversary of the

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attacks. He played the Saramond. from Bach's

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cello suite number five. And the choice of that

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specific piece is vital to understand. A syrup

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bond is originally a slow, stately dance, but

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in Bach's fifth suite, it's stripped down to

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a single, haunting, solitary line of notes. So

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no big chords or anything. Right. There are no

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chords to provide comfort or warmth. It perfectly

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captured the feeling of absolute isolation and

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grief of that day. And he does this constantly.

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He performed at the Interfaith Healing Service

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following the Boston Marathon bombing. During

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the COVID -19 pandemic, after receiving his second

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vaccine dose at a community college in Massachusetts,

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he just stayed in the observation waiting room.

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Oh, I remember seeing a video of that. Yeah,

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he sat in a plastic chair and played an impromptu

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concert of Ave Maria for everyone sitting there

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in their masks. He shows up for moments of national

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transition and celebration too. At Barack Obama's

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first inauguration in 2009, he performed John

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Williams' Air and Simple Gifts with a quartet.

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But it was freezing, right? It was wicked cold,

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as he put it. Because a broken string wasn't

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an option on live global television in freezing

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temperatures, the quartet actually pantomimed

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the performance along to a tape they had meticulously

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recorded two days prior. That is so smart. He

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also connects music to human discovery. Because

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of his deep love for astronomy, he traveled to

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the Atacama Desert in Chile in 2019 to play at

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the Paranal Observatory. just him, his cello,

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and the massive telescopes under the stars. Incredible.

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And fast forward to December 2024, he was there

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performing the Prelude from Bach's first cello

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suite at the highly anticipated reopening of

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Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. There were also

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those massive Hollywood Bowl concerts in 2017

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and 2021, playing for crowds of 17 ,000 people.

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During the 2017 show, he shared a story about

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Pablo Casals. When Casals was just a 13 -year

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-old boy in 1890, he found an old forgotten copy

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of the Bach cello suites in a secondhand music

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store. Those suites were largely ignored at the

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time, but Casals discovery brought them to modern

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attention. He looked out at the massive crowd

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in Los Angeles and said, if there are any 13

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year olds here, don't throw anything away. That

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is a beautiful sentiment. But wait, let me play

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Devil's Advocate for a second. Playing a cello

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at an observatory or ground zero sounds moving,

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but isn't it ultimately just a symbolic PR gesture?

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Like, what is a guy with a cello actually fixing

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in a moment of acute crisis? Well, if we connect

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this to the bigger picture, it is entirely functional.

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He was actually named a United Nations messenger

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of peace in 2006 for this exact reason. Really?

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A messenger of peace? Yes. He fundamentally believes

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that music bypasses the logical dividing tribe

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parts of our brain. When you are dealing with

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profound grief or deep ideological differences,

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words often fail. Music provides collective catharsis.

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It physically and emotionally forces a room full

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of divided people onto the exact same shared

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frequency. That is heavy, profound work. But

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the contrast to that weight is that he is incredibly

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grounded and totally willing to poke fun at himself.

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Yeah. Which is exactly how he hacked pop culture.

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I mean, in 2001, People magazine named him the

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sexiest classical musician. Which he famously

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called the worst epithet he's ever faced. It's

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hilarious. He really finds the pedestal of classical

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music ridiculous. And he actively dismantles

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it by being everywhere in media. He's been on

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Sesame Street five times. Five times. He's appeared

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on the children's cartoon, Arthur, played at

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a congressional Christmas party on the West Wing,

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and been a guest on the Colbert Report and NPR's

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Tiny Descon. He was even on The Simpsons twice.

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I didn't know he was on The Simpsons. Yeah, he

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played himself in an episode called Puffless,

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and his likeness appeared in another episode,

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voiced by Hank Azaria. He also had a cameo in

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the Netflix movie Glass Onion. So what does this

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all mean? Like, contracting this stiff, tuxedo

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-clad stereotype of classical musicians with

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a guy hanging out on Sesame Street? Well, he

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realized early on that the tuxedo -clad classical

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world was incredibly intimidating to outsiders.

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By appearing on Sesame Street, he was intentionally

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ensuring that a child's very first exposure to

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a cello was next to Big Bird. Oh, that's brilliant.

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He strips away the elitism before it can even

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form in a person's mind. It's the same reason

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he had such close ties with Steve Jobs. He played

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at major Apple events and at Jobs' memorial service.

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That's a fascinating connection. Jobs always

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talked about the intersection of technology and

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the liberal arts, and Yo -Yo Ma is the living

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embodiment of that intersection, using intense

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technical mastery to deliver pure human emotion.

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Part of this deep appreciation for life and his

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willingness to just hang out with Big Bird or

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Homer Simpson comes from a place of intense personal

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resilience too. In his 20s he developed severe

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scoliosis. Oh wow. Yeah it required major surgery

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and threatened his ability to play the cello

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entirely. Surviving that made him view his entire

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subsequent music career as a gift. When you almost

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lose the ability to do the thing you love, you

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don't waste time being a snob about it, you just

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wanna share it. You also get a sense of his deep

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roots from a PBS series called Faces of America.

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They traced his genealogy and found his paternal

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line goes back 18 generations to the year 1217.

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1217. Yeah, a relative actually had to hide the

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family genealogy in their home in China to save

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it from being destroyed during the Cultural Revolution.

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And fun fact from the DNA research, he is distantly

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related to actress Eva Longoria. That is so random

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but awesome. So when you look at the entire scope

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of his life, it really is a master class in connection.

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Let's do a rapid fire recap for you listening.

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We started with a four -year -old child prodigy

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compromising on a tiny cello in Paris, navigating

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the pressure cooker of playing for presidents.

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Right, and we saw how a Harvard anthropology

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degree shifted his entire worldview. He stopped

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studying notes and started studying people, leading

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to an omnivorous repertoire that spans the bluegrass

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chop technique, Argentine tango, and the Silk

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Road ensemble. We explored how his empathy extends

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to the wood itself. coaxing the Davidov Stradivarius

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rather than attacking it, and surviving the panic

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of leaving the two and a half million dollar

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petunia in a New York City taxi. And finally,

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we saw him act as an instrument of diplomacy,

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playing a solitary sarabande at Ground Zero and

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Bach in a vaccination clinic, all while intentionally

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hacking pop culture on Sesame Street to break

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down the walls of classical music. It's an unbelievable

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journey, and it leaves me with this final thought

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for you to mull over today. When we look at his

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life, from that Harvard degree to the Silk Road

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Ensemble to playing alone under the stars at

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the Atacama Desert Observatory. What if we've

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been looking at him backwards this entire time?

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What if Yo -Yo Ma isn't actually a musician who

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happens to be interested in humanity? What if

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he is, at his absolute core, an anthropologist?

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And the cello is simply the field journal he

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uses to record and connects the human race. that

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completely changes the way you hear every note

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he plays. It really does. Thank you for joining

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us on this deep dive. Do yourself a favor today.

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Go put on his recording of the Bach cello suites

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and listen to it with entirely fresh ears. Catch

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you next time.
