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Imagine mapping out your family tree. Right,

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something we've all probably tried to do at some

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point. Exactly. And normally you expect this

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sprawling network. You start with yourself, you

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trace the branches back to your parents, your

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four grandparents, eight great grandparents,

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just kind of multiplying outward and backward

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into history. Yeah, it anchors you. It gives

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you a sense of place. It does. But what if you

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started tracing those branches and instead of

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expanding, the lines twisted, turned, and just

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crashed directly back into you? Oh, wow. What

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if you realized that you are your own mother,

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you're your own father, and you're your own child?

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Well, biologically and chronologically, that

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is the absolute definition of a short circuit.

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I mean, you are describing a scenario where a

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human being exists without a true origin point,

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just completely untethered from the rest of the

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human race. That is exactly the premise of our

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deep dive today. We are exploring the ultimate

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brain breaking time travel paradox by dissecting

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the Wikipedia article on Robert A. Heinlein's

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legendary 1959 science fiction short story, All

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You Zombies. Such a fascinating piece of literature.

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It really is. And just to clear the air right

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off the bat, since we're diving deep into the

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source material for you, this is not a story

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about... literal undead zombies shuffling around

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looking for brains. No, not at all. Actually,

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this is a narrative so meticulously constructed

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that philosophers and astrophysicists, like Carl

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Sagan, for instance, have utilized it to teach

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the fundamental nature of causality. Which is

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wild for a pulp sci -fi story. Right. And the

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real -world history of the text is fascinating

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in itself. Heinlein supposedly wrote this entire

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mind -bender in a single day, July 11, 1958.

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A single day? That's just... Yeah, and it was

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actually rejected by Playboy before finding its

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home in the magazine of fantasy and science fiction.

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It eventually earned a Balrog Award nomination

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and even inspired the 2014 Ethan Hawke film Predestination.

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Okay, but to understand why academics study a

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1950s pulp sci -fi story, we have to look at

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the incredibly specific mechanics Heinlein built.

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We do, and those mechanics start in a surprisingly

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gritty setting. You know, we open in this dimly

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lit bar in the year 1970. The narrator is the

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bartender. And the source material explicitly

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notes that he is wearing an Auroboros ring. Right,

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the ancient symbol of a snake eating its own

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tail. Exactly. And that is a massive thematic

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anchor for literally everything that follows.

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So he's working and he strikes up a conversation

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with a patron, this cynical young man who goes

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by the pen name the unmarried mother. Which is

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such an intriguing detail. The patron earns that

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nickname by writing sensational confession stories

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for magazines from the perspective of unmarried

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women, and he's just churning them out at four

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cents a word. So the bartender is observing this

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guy and essentially challenges him. He wants

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to know how a man can write so convincingly from

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a female perspective. And that question is the

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catalyst. It prompts the patron to reveal a life

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story that reads honestly like a tragic mid -century

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noir. Yeah, the patron explains that he wasn't

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born a man. He was actually born a girl named

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Jane in 1945. And Jane was entirely abandoned,

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raised in this cold institutional orphanage.

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Just profound isolation right from the start.

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Exactly. And Jane's one escape plan was to join

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what they call a comfort organization. Which

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in this universe is a government program providing

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rest and recreation for spacemen. Right. But

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in 1963, as a teenager, Jane is seduced by an

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older, mysterious man. She gets pregnant and

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is promptly abandoned again. And the tragedy

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just compounds from there. Especially during

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the delivery. The doctors are forced to perform

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an emergency, highly complicated cesarean section.

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And during the surgery, they make a profound

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medical discovery. Jane has an extremely rare

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intersex condition. She possesses fully developed

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female reproductive organs, but also internalized,

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undeveloped male sex organs. Right. And because

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the pregnancy and the surgical trauma severely

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damaged her female organs beyond repair, the

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doctors make this unilateral, non -consensual

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decision to perform a sex reassignment surgery.

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So Jane wakes up from saving her baby to find

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out that she is now, biologically and legally,

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a man. And while recovering from that unbelievable

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physical and psychological trauma, another mysterious

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older man sneaks into the hospital and kidnaps

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her newborn baby. Left with absolutely nothing.

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Nothing at all. So the former Jane, who is now

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living as a man, has to adapt. He learns secretarial

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skills, leverages his experiences into writing,

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and eventually becomes the bitter young man sitting

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in the bar in 1970. It is a staggering sequence

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of traumatic events, just complete social and

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biological isolation. OK, let's unpack this.

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Yeah. Because I promised the listener a mind

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-bending exploration of theoretical physics and

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time travel. Right. And right now, we are deep

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into a gritty medical trauma drama. You've got

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this classic noir set up, a tragic victim in

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a bar with a dark past. How does a story about

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an orphanage, a C -section, and a kidnapped baby

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translate into a high -level physics paradox.

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I mean, it feels like two completely different

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genres. I completely agree, but that dissonance

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is exactly why the story is brilliant. Every

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single detail you just mentioned, it isn't merely

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project backstory. Yeah. No, it is the strict

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biological mechanism required for the physics

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loop to function. Heinlein is setting up the

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parameters of an impossible equation. Yeah. Think

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about it. Without the orphanage, there is no

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isolation. Without the specific intersex physiology,

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the upcoming chronological loop violates biological

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reality. The medical trauma is quite literally

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the engine of the time machine. The engine of

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the time machine. Okay, let's look at that engine

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then because we are back in the bar in 1970 and

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the bartender makes an impossible offer. Right.

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He listens to this horrific life story and then

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the bartender tells the unmarried mother that

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he can offer him ultimate revenge. He says he

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can deliver the patron directly to the man who

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seduced and ruined Jane's life. So the bartender

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leads the young writer into the back room, reveals

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a portable time machine and jumps them both back

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seven years. They land precisely on April 3rd,

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1963. And he turns the unmarried mother loose

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to find the seducer. But the bartender does not

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wait around. No, he doesn't. He uses the time

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machine to execute this highly calculated heist

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across decades. First, he jumps forward 11 months

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to March 1964. He infiltrates the hospital, kidnaps

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the newborn baby, and then time travels way back

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to September 1945. And he drops that infant off

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at the very orphanage where Jane grew up. Exactly.

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After planting the baby, he jumps forward again

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to 1963. waits a month, picks up the unmarried

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mother, and pulls him out of that timeline. But

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we have to look really closely at what the unmarried

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mother was doing during that month he spent stranded

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in 1963. He was searching for the man who ruined

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his life. But instead, wandering around, he bumps

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into a lonely 17 -year -old girl named Jane.

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Oh my god. He begins dating her, eventually seduces

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her, and leaves her pregnant. Here's where it

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gets really interesting. I remember reading this

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for the first time, and the realization just

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hits you like a freight train. He was instinctively

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attracted to his younger female self. Exactly.

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The older man who seduced Jane, Jane herself,

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the baby stolen from the hospital, and the time

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traveling bartender pulling the strings. I mean,

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for everyone listening, try to draw that family

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tree in your head. You can't. You can't. They

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aren't a family. They're the exact same person

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at four different stages of a single life cycle.

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It's just a single thought. What's fascinating

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here is how Heinlein constructed what the author

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Staniso Lim calls the minimal possible bootstrap

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paradox. The minimal possible bootstrap paradox.

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What does that mean exactly? Well, the term comes

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from the old physically impossible adage of pulling

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yourself up by your own bootstraps. In this framework,

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an object, an event, or in this case, a human

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being, exist without any true origin. They're

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entirely self -created. Let's just connect the

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dots here for this one. Jane gives birth to herself,

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fathers herself, and orchestrates her own kidnapping

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to ensure she exists. Yes, they're entirely self

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-created. But biologically, how do physicists

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or philosophers even grapple with that? I mean,

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where did the original genetic material come

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from? That is the big question. If the bartender

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drops himself off at the orphanage to grow up

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to father himself, how can DNA just exist without

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an origin point? It violates everything we know

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about how matter and information work. And that

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is exactly what broke the brains of academics

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analyzing the text. You are shitting on something

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called an ontological paradox. Ontological? Yeah.

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Ontology is the philosophical study of being

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and existence. In our normal reality, information

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and matter have to come from somewhere. But in

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a bootstrap loop, the information is completely

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uncreated. Completely uncreated? Right, think

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of it like a word in a dictionary that defines

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itself using its own word. There is no root origin.

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It is just a self -referential circle. Jane's

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DNA wasn't created by a combination of a separate

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mother and father. Her DNA is just permanently

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suspended in this loop of time existing simply

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because it exists. It's like putting a microphone

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directly next to a speaker. You get that screeching

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audio feedback loop where the sound is just endlessly

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amplifying itself with no external input. That

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is a perfect analogy. But you mentioned earlier

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that philosophers like David Lewis actually defended

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this story. How can a philosopher look at a person

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fathering themselves and say, yes, this makes

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perfect logical sense? Well, because David Lewis

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in his highly influential 1976 paper, The Paradoxes

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of Time Travel, analyzed the logic of timelines.

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And he specifically praised Heinlein's construct

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here. Yeah. Lewis argued that the grandfather

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paradox, the idea that you could go back in time

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and kill your own grandfather, thus erasing yourself,

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is logically flawed. Instead, Lewis championed

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the idea of a block universe. A block universe,

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meaning time isn't like a flowing river, but

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a solid object. Precisely. Imagine the universe

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not as a story being written line by line, but

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as a DVD that has already been burned. Oh, I

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see. all of the past, present, and future exist

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simultaneously. Lewis argued that a time traveler

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doesn't change the past when they go back. Their

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journey was already baked into the timeline from

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the very beginning. So you aren't writing a new

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draft of history. You are just fulfilling the

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original draft. Exactly. So under Lewis's theory,

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a bartender isn't altering his past by dropping

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the baby off in 1945. Because if he chose not

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to do it, the universe wouldn't unravel. Right.

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Because in a block universe, it is impossible

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for him to choose not to do it. Spot on. His

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future self was already present at his own past

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events. Lewis pointed out that Heinlein's loop

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is logically watertight. Every single action

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perfectly causes the next, forming a closed loop

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with absolutely no loose ends. So the timeline

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is consistent because there are no contradictory

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events. Right. The loop is bizarre, yes, but

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it does not contradict its own internal rules.

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Which brings us to Carl Sagan. a legendary astronomer

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analyzing a pulp fiction story about an intersex

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time traveler. It's quite a crossover. It is.

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And Sagan said that science fiction like this

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conveys inaccessible knowledge, forcing the reader

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to contemplate causality and the arrow of time.

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But I want to bring this down to Earth for you

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listening right now. So what does this all mean

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for you? It's a heady concept to apply to real

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life. It is. Because we all experience time as

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a one -way street. Cause always precedes effect.

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Like you accidentally push a glass off a table,

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it hits the floor and it shatters. Pushing the

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glass is the cause. The shattering is the effect.

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And the arrow of time dictates that the shattered

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glass will never spontaneously reassemble itself

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and jump back onto the table. Thermodynamics

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and entropy demand that time moves in one direction.

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Right. But Heinlein's loop forces us to ask,

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what happens to our reality? If the glass shattering

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is the very thing that caused you to push it

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in the first place, what if the effect is the

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cause? It completely flips everything. It does.

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If you apply that to a human life, it redefines

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what existence means. We use the phrase a self

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-made person to describe someone who, you know,

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built a business from scratch. But this character

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is the ultimate literal self -made entity. They

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owe their existence to absolutely no one but

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themselves. If we connect this to the bigger

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picture, they're completely self - in the most

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literal, biological sense. It's the ultimate

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thought experiment in self -reliance and the

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illusion of beginnings and endings. The snake

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eating its own tail. The Ouroboros ring isn't

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just a piece of jewelry the bartender wears.

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The ring is the map of his life. There is no

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head and no tail, no start and no finish. But

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we have to look at the psychological reality

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of living as an Ouroboros. Because having no

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origin outside of yourself might sound like the

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ultimate form of independence, but when you actually

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sit with it, It is a nightmare of loneliness.

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A total nightmare. And the source material highlights

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that emotional toll brilliantly in the final

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act of the story. It really does. Because after

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the bartender retrieves his younger self, the

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unmarried mother from 1963, he doesn't just drop

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him off anywhere. He transports him to the year

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1985 to an outpost of the temporal bureau. And

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the temporal bureau being this secret police

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force that travels through time, manipulating

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historical events to protect the human race.

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Correct. The bartender drops the young man there

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specifically to enlist him, which means the bartender

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has just recruited a younger version of himself

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into the very agency he already works for. Wow.

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He created his own past, orchestrated his own

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birth, and now he's officially initiating his

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own future. Once the mission is complete, the

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older bartender returns to the bar in 1970, arriving

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just moments after he initially left for the

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back room. He ties off the loop, and there's

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a brilliant dark detail here that we have to

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mention. Earlier in the 1970 timeline, a customer

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was playing a song on the jukebox, and the bartender

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yelled at him for it. He hated it. Right. But

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when he returns, having just completed this monumental

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existential task, he actually allows the customer

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to play the song. And the track is I'm My Own

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Grandpa. It's just Heinlein injecting this dark

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comedy into an incredibly bleak reality. Yeah.

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So the bartender close up the shop and time travels

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one final time. retiring to his home base in

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the year 1993. And this is where the philosophy

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of the story turns completely inward. He's all

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alone. Yes. As he gets ready for bed, exhausted

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from effectively orchestrating his entire life

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cycle, he looks down at his own stomach. He stares

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at the surgical scar, the scar left over from

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the cesarean section he endured back in 1963

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when he gave birth to his own daughter. who is

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also his mother, his father, and his entire history.

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He knows the truth of that scar better than anyone

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in the universe ever could. And staring at that

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physical proof of his loop, he has a final revealing

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thought. He thinks to himself, I know where I

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came from, but where did all you zombies come

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from? It's a haunting realization. Where did

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all you zombies come from? That's a chilling

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arresting line. And it finally explains the strange

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title of the story. Yes, the formatting. The

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title is formatted with dashes on either side.

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I'll use zombies. The dashes indicate that the

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title is actually a fragment. It's a quote pulled

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directly from the middle of this exact closing

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thought. Exactly. It represents the alighted

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text before and after the phrase. It's a literal

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snippet of a mind completely isolated from the

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rest of humanity. I just marvel at the sheer

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terrifying isolation of the character in that

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moment. I mean, even though he knows his own

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perfect closed -loop origin, everyone else in

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the world is an inexplicable mystery to him.

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How were they born? Right. Normal people have

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mothers and fathers and sprawling oak trees of

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ancestry that extend into infinity. To him, normal

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people are the bizarre anomalies. They are the

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zombies because they wander around with these

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messy, linear, unprovable origins. This raises

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an important question about solipsism. Solipsism.

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Yes, the philosophical idea that the only thing

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you can be absolutely sure exists exists is your

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own mind. Everything else outside of you could

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be an illusion. If you think about playing a

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massive open world video game, you know you are

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the player holding the controller. But every

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other character walking around the city is an

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NPC. A non -player character. Right. They're

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just code generated by the system to give you

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a backdrop to interact with. They have no inner

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life. And for the bartender, that isn't just

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a philosophical thought experiment. It is his

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empirical reality. He is the only person in the

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universe whose existence he can physically prove

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from beginning to end because he is the sole

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author of it. Exactly. Since he cannot trace

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the origins of anyone else, the way he can trace

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his own absolute undeniable loop, the rest of

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humanity lacks the same level of reality to him.

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They are just a backdrop. It is the ultimate

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tragedy of his design. He has conquered time,

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but in doing so he has alienated himself from

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the human race. He is a species of one. It is

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incredible to look at the journey of this narrative.

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I mean, we started by looking at a rejected magazine

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manuscript from 1958, bouncing back from Playboy

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to find a home in a sci -fi digest, eventually

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earning a 1980 Balrog Award nomination and inspiring

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a major film adaptation. And it deserved all

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of it. It really did. Because what we actually

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untapped was a master class in theoretical physics

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wrapped in a noir detective story. It takes that

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sprawling family oak tree we talked about at

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the very beginning, strips away all the branches,

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and whittles the entirety of a human life down

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into a single impossible self -sustaining point.

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It challenges our fundamental understanding of

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cause and effect. It proves that fiction can

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be just as rigorous as a mathematical proof or

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a physics equation when constructing a closed

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system. Absolutely. But as we wrap up our analysis

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of Heinlein's loop, there's one critical implication

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we haven't touched on. And it's something I want

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you to think about long after this deep dive

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in. Let's hear it. We established that the bartender

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ultimately works for the temporal bureau, right?

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A secret police force dedicated to actively manipulating

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history and protecting the human race. Right.

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But think about the block universe we discussed.

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If this agent's entire existence, his birth,

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his trauma, his recruitment, is a perfectly closed,

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predetermined loop that cannot be altered, how

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can he possibly possess the free will necessary

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to manipulate anything else in history? Oh, wow.

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If his own timeline is completely unchangeable,

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wouldn't his interventions in the world's timeline

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be just as predetermined? Are you actually holding

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the pen and making choices, or are you just flawlessly

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executing a script that was written before you

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were even born.
