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Picture this. You are standing in the middle

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of a brutal, unforgiving, completely frozen 19th

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century wilderness. Oh wow, okay. Setting the

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scene. Yeah, I mean the biting wind is just howling,

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the snow is blinding you, and you suddenly stumble

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upon a deserted camp. Just out in the middle

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of nowhere. Exactly. You were out there looking

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for a missing prospector, a guy who has just

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completely vanished into thin air, but he didn't

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leave completely empty -handed. Sitting right

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there in this freezing, empty camp is a glass

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jar. And inside that jar, exactly 11 ounces of

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raw gold. Which is incredibly heavy, by the way.

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It is. Oh, and depending on who you ask, there's

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something else in there, too. A set of solid

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gold dentures. It is just the ultimate wilderness

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mystery. I mean, it sounds like the opening scene

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is some blockbuster movie, right? Oh, totally.

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But this is a very real, tangible piece of North

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American history. And more importantly, it's

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the bizarre endpoint of a life that actually

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shaped the modern map. Welcome to the deep dive.

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Today, we have a really fascinating mission.

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We are taking the source material we've gathered

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and we're using it to basically reconstruct the

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life of one of British Columbia's most flamboyant

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historical figures. Flamboyant is definitely

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the right word for him. Yeah. His name was Robert

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Allen Brown. He lived from around 1849 to 1931.

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And we are going to unravel how a man who literally

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led the way in discovering major ore bodies across

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the Pacific Northwest ended up as, well, basically

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a ghost story in the frozen wilderness. Yeah.

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And to really understand how that glass jar ended

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up alone in the ice, we have to look past the

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spooky campfire tale of it all. Right, look at

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the facts. Exactly. We had to look at the psychology

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and really the economics of the people who built

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the Pacific Northwest mining industry. We're

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talking about that really rugged region spanning

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the border between British Columbia and the United

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States. That terrain is just brutal. It is. And

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that wilderness didn't just attract people who

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wanted to get rich. It attracted a very specific,

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deeply obsessive type of personality. Okay, let's

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unpack this. Because Robert Alan Brown was the

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absolute poster child for that exact personality.

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He really was. Like, depending on where he was

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on the map, he was known by a totally different

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moniker. If you were in the Similkameen district,

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you called him Sunset Brown. Sunset Brown. But

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then if you were in the boundary country, the

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Kootenays, or over in eastern Washington, you

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knew him as Volcanic Brown. Which is such a great

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name. It really is. And to plenty of other people

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out there, he was just simply known as Crazy

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Brown. I mean, having three... distinct, highly

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dramatic nicknames across multiple regions. That

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tells you a lot about the man right off the bat,

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doesn't it? It really paints a picture. You do

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not earn that kind of regional notoriety by just,

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you know... Being quiet, keeping your head down,

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and quietly panning for gold in some stream.

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You really don't. And the sources describe him

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as having this incredibly enthusiastic nature

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and a really flamboyant personality. Right. He

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was a constant fixture in the mining industry

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news. Like, he wasn't just a guy swinging a pickaxe.

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He was a speculator. He was a promoter, an investor.

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A man of many hats. Yeah. He even went so far

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as to found an actual place called Volcanic City.

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Just named it right after his own nickname. Naturally.

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But here's the detail. that really jumped out

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at me from the sources. Despite finding several

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important ore bodies, the guy never actually

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became wealthy. What's fascinating here is that

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it feels like a striking contradiction, right?

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You might be wondering, if he found all this

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ore, why didn't he just cash out and retire to

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a mansion somewhere? That's exactly what I was

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wondering. But we need to define what finding

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an ore body actually meant back then. It is not

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like finding a chest of buried treasure. Right,

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it's not pirate gold. No, an ore body is just

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a massive concentration of valuable minerals

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that are completely embedded in solid rock. So

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discovering it is really only step one. You still

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have to get it out. Exactly. Getting it out of

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the ground, processing it and getting it to market

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that requires an entirely different skill set

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and massive amounts of capital. Which brings

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us to Volcanic City. Because that wasn't just

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some rough campsite in the woods. No, not at

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all. The sources explicitly call it a smelting

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town, which means he wasn't just trying to dig

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rock out of the ground. He was trying to build

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this huge industrial hub where they literally

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melted the ore down to extract the base metals.

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Yeah, and building a smelter requires blast furnaces,

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hundreds of workers, rail lines. Bragging heavy

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machinery through unmapped wilderness? Precisely.

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The logistical nightmare of building a smelting

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town from scratch out there is staggering, and

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that is exactly why Brown died poor despite his

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discoveries. It just costs too much. Right. The

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people who got rich in the 19th century mining

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booms were rarely the actual prospectors who

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found the ore. Ah, I see. The wealth went to

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the pragmatic conservative investors sitting

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in comfortable offices in, you know... Vancouver,

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Seattle, or London. They're the ones who came

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in later to finance all that heavy infrastructure.

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You know, looking at how this all played out,

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I realize exactly who Robert Allen Brown reminds

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me of. Oh, yeah. He's basically the 19th century

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equivalent of a charismatic visionary tech startup

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founder. That's a really interesting way to look

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at it. Right. But he's functioning like a biological

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enzyme for the frontier economy. A biological

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enzyme? How so? Well, think about what an enzyme

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does in a chemical reaction. Its entire job is

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to lower the activation energy required for a

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massive reaction to take place. OK, I'm following

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you. By himself. Brown doesn't have the energy

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or the money to build the mines. And those safe,

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conceivative investors in the city, they are

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never going to just throw millions of dollars

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at a blank spot on a map. They are way too risk

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averse. So the reaction won't happen. Exactly.

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The reaction stalls. They need a reason to believe.

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They need the risk to be lowered before they

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jump in. Yes. So men like Brown, with their flamboyant

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personalities and endless promotion, they are

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the enzyme. They go out into the deadly wilderness,

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take on 100 % of the physical risk, and make

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those initial discoveries. And then they start

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talking? Exactly. They generate the hype. Their

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loud public personas act like a flare sent up

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in the wilderness. They lower the risk energy

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just enough for the massive banks to finally

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invest their capital. That makes perfect sense.

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Brown built the hype. He launched the beta product.

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He got the railroads built. But he just couldn't

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monetize his own hype. So the investors reap

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the rewards while he went right back out into

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the woods. That is a phenomenal way to understand

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the ecosystem of frontier speculation. The market

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actually required men like Brown. They were entirely

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necessary catalysts for the regional economy.

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Even if they died broke. Right. Because without

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their absolute willingness to risk their lives

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and their sanity for the pitch. The infrastructure

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would never have followed them. But this raises

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the question of what was actually fueling Brown.

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Right. Why keep doing it? Because he wasn't just

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throwing darts at a map to generate hype. He

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had a real plan. He had a very specific. deeply

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-held geological theory. And this brings us to

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the logic behind his most famous nickname, Volcanic

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Brown. Yeah, this is where it gets really scientific.

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He wasn't just wandering aimlessly around the

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woods. He was hunting for a specific geological

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signature. He was entirely focused on copper,

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actually. And his theory was that the absolute

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richest copper deposits in the Pacific Northwest

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hadn't even been located yet. The Big Mother

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Load? Exactly. He was convinced that these massive

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copper mother loads would exclusively be found

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in areas where there was evidence of past volcanic

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activity. So he spent a massive chunk of his

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life obsessively scouring the boundary country,

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specifically searching for this volcanic evidence.

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But I have to ask about the science here. Why

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would someone link ancient volcanoes to undiscovered

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copper? Well, the geology behind it is actually

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entirely sound. Oh, really? Yeah. Why do volcanoes

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mean copper? When magma pushes up from deep within

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the Earth's crust, it superheats the surrounding

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rock and the groundwater. This creates these

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intensely hot, pressurized hydrothermal fluids

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that are incredibly rich in dissolved metals,

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including copper. Wow, like an underground pressure

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cooker. That's exactly it. And when that fluid

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eventually cools down and solidifies in the cracks

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of the surrounding rock, it leaves behind massive,

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concentrated copper veins. So he's out there

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looking for the physical footprint of these ancient

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hydrothermal vents. Exactly. He's looking for

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the rust -colored staining on rocks, what geologists

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call gossens. Gossens, right. They indicate those

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ancient, cooled hydrothermal systems. But hold

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on a second. If that is true, I have to push

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back on the whole crazy Brown narrative. How

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do you mean? Well, you're telling me he has a

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logical hypothesis driven approach to finding

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copper. He understands the geological mechanisms.

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He has a theory and he's out in the field rigorously

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testing it. That's all true. Why on earth did

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his peers label him crazy? That sounds like a

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dedicated field scientist, not a madman. If we

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connect this to the bigger picture, you have

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to view this through the lens of the average

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19th century miner. to understand why they thought

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he was losing his mind. Okay, fair enough. The

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line between a visionary and a crazy person is

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very often just a matter of social perception

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and frankly timelines. Put yourself in the boots

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of the average guy with a pickaxe at that time.

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I imagine I'm pretty tired, cold, and I just

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want to get paid. Right. Most miners were intensely

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pragmatic. They were playing a very short game.

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Just trying to survive. Their goal was to find

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a decent vein of gold or silver, dig it out,

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cash it in and hopefully buy a saloon or warm

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house in the city before the winter killed them.

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Yeah, that sounds reasonable. They wanted a guaranteed

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immediate payday. Brown, on the other hand, was

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playing an infinitely long game. He wasn't looking

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for a quick paycheck at all. He was looking for

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the ultimate geological master key. Exactly.

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To spend decades of your life engaging in back

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-breaking labor, completely ignoring smaller

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profitable strikes, because you are single -mindedly

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searching for a theoretical copper motherlode

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based on a personal volcanic hypothesis. That

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would definitely look weird to the other guys.

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That level of obsession completely alienates

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you from everyday people. To the pragmatic minor,

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passing up a sure thing to chase a grand, unproven

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theory just looks like madness. Because he refused

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to play by their rules. He wasn't functioning

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on their economic timeline. Right. When your

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hypothesis becomes your entire identity, society

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tends to view that singular focus as a kind of

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insanity, regardless of whether the underlying

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science is perfectly sound. That's so true. It

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really highlights just how intense and consuming

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the prospector's life could be. That completely

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reframes his whole identity for me. He wasn't

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crazy. He was just completely consumed by the

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grand theory. Yeah, absolutely consumed. But

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that kind of absolute uncompromising obsession

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has a terrifying downside. When your entire identity

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is tied to finding the next big strike, you lose

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the ability to stop. You don't know when to quit.

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Exactly. And for Brown, that inability to turn

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back is what eventually marched him right up

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into the ice. Which brings us to the shift from

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copper to gold. Right. In his later years, Brown

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actually shifted his focus away from his volcanic

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copper theory. He started chasing a very specific,

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almost mythological target. The fabled lost gold

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mine near Pitt Lake. Yes. And this is where his

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timeline abruptly ends. He vanished into the

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country beyond the upper valley of the Pitt River.

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To understand this you really have to picture

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the geography of the upper valley of the Pitt

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River and the Stave Glacier. This rough, right.

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That is an understatement. This is not a place

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you just take a casual walk in. It is a notoriously

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rugged, incredibly dangerous area. Like vertical

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drops and stuff. Oh, yeah. It's a maze of vertical

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granite walls, unpredictable violent weather

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systems, and deep fatal crevasses that are just

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hidden under fragile snow bridges. Wow. So it's

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an environment that actively wants to kill you.

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Pretty much. And eventually, searchers did actually

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find his camp. It was located at the foot of

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the Stave Glacier, at the head of the Stave River,

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which is the next basin east of the pit's upper

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course. Here's where it gets really interesting.

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This is the locker room wilderness mystery. They

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find the camp, but there is absolutely no trace

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of Robert Alan Brown. Nothing at all. No human

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remains, no torn clothing, nothing. But sitting

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right there in the camp is a glass jar containing

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exactly 11 ounces of raw gold. Let's put that

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into perspective for a second. 11 ounces of gold

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is a significant amount of physical weight to

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carry in your pack. Yeah, that's heavy. And it

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represented a massive amount of wealth. I mean,

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think about it. It's the combination of months,

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maybe years, of freezing, backbreaking labor.

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Just sitting there. For a prospector to just

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leave it sitting in a glass jar in an empty camp.

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defies all logic. Which is exactly why the mind

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races. I mean, if he was attacked by a bear or

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a mountain lion, where are the remains? Animals

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don't neatly set aside a glass jar of gold before

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dragging off a body. No, they definitely don't.

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And if he was robbed and murdered by other prospectors,

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why on earth would the killers leave behind the

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heavy, valuable gold they presumably murdered

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him for? It makes no sense. It is a perfect void

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of information. And nature hates a void, so human

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nature steps in to fill it. Naturally. Which

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brings us to the most bizarre detail of the entire

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story. The denture paradox. The denture paradox.

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I love this part. The historical sources actually

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give us completely conflicting accounts of what

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happened to his solid gold dentures. It's so

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strange. One version of history says that there

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were absolutely no remains found, not even his

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gold teeth, meaning he completely vanished under

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the ice and his teeth vanished with him. Right.

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But another version of the exact same story insists

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that his solid gold dentures were the only remains

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ever found. Just sitting there. Yes, sitting

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right there inside the glass jar, resting on

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top of the raw gold. This raises an important

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question, though. How does history get so tangled

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up that we don't even know if a man's solid gold

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teeth were sitting in a jar or lost to the glacier?

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It's wild. It raises a profound point about the

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exact place where history and myth intersect.

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Because when you think about it, the contradictory

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stories about those cool dentures perfectly encapsulate

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Robert Allen Brown's entire life. You mean because

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his life was already more fiction than fact to

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the people around him. Precisely. Think about

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the enzyme analogy you brought up earlier. Here

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was a man who spent his entire life surrounded

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by flamboyant rumors. He lived for the hype.

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He was a promoter who generated massive hype

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to summon whole towns like volcanic city out

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of the dirt. His entire existence was this loud

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public performance meant to blur the lines between

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what was real and what was merely possible. He

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basically trained the entire region to view him

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as a larger -than -life character. So is it any

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surprise that his death immediately became a

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local legend? Not at all. The mundane, likely

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freezing, and brutal reality of dying alone in

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a glacier basin just wasn't a good enough story

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for a man named Volcanic Brown. It's too boring.

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Right. The flamboyant rumors he cultivated in

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life completely obscured the actual facts of

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his tragic end. He hyped the Pacific Northwest

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so effectively that the Pacific North last hyped

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his death. That's exactly it. The collective

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memory of the region just did what he had taught

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it to do. It promoted him. It turned a missing

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person into a towering tall tale about a jar

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of gold and a set of solid gold teeth. It is

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the ultimate enduring legacy of a 19th century

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promoter. So what does this all mean for us today?

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Let's bring this back to the present. Robert

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Alan Brown, for all his eccentricities, his brilliant

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geological theories, and his failures to capitalize

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on his own discoveries. He actually left a physical

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legacy on the modern map. He did. If you look

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at British Columbia today, there are places permanently

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named for him. Right. You have Volcanic Creek

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and you have Brown Creek. Yes, and both of those

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creeks feed into the Granby River, about 15 kilometers

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upstream from the town of Grand Forks, right

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near the site where his phantom volcanic city

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once stood. He quite literally etched his nicknames

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into the geography of the Earth. He really did.

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But beyond the map, there's a deeper psychological

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takeaway here for you, the listener. There really

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is. Because while you are likely not out wandering

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the Stave Glacier looking for a lost gold mine,

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we all struggle with the exact same balance that

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Brown did. Oh, for sure. We all face that tension

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between chasing our grand theories, our own personal

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mother loads, so to speak, and knowing when it

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is time to pack up camp and go home. It's the

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danger of the endless chase. Knowledge, ambition,

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and a hypothesis -driven mind are incredibly

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powerful tools. I mean, they can literally build

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cities. But they require grounding. Yes, exactly.

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If your ambition becomes your sole obsession,

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you run the risk of alienating the people around

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you. When the chase becomes the destination,

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You lose your survival instincts. You forget

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how to stop. You lose the ability to pivot. Brown

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successfully pivoted his interest from copper

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to gold, but he could never pivot away from the

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physical chase itself. The chase was everything.

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And eventually that uncompromising drive marched

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him out onto the ice alone where he couldn't

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turn back. Which leaves us with a final lingering

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thought for you to mull over today. Think about

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that freezing camp at the foot of the glacier.

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Make sure it. If a man spends his entire life

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aggressively promoting his own name, his own

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theories, and his own image across the Pacific

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Northwest, only to completely vanish without

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a trace, leaving behind nothing but a jar of

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gold and a confusing legend. Did the wilderness

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finally defeat the ultimate promoter? Or did

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the wilderness actually give him exactly what

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he always wanted? Eternal immortality as a local

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legend, a ghost story with gold teeth. See you

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next time on The Deep Dive.
