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Imagine finding a diary entry you wrote years

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ago. Right, like back when you were a teenager

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or something. Exactly. Written in like blue ink

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on crinkled paper. And it's just full of this

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heavy, dramatic, top of your lungs angst. We

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all have those. Yeah, we really do. But now imagine

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taking that exact same memory, those exact same

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words, and deciding to rewrite it today. Wow.

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but rewriting it as this laid back reflective

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digital blog post while a reggae band plays softly

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in the background. That is quite the visual.

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Right. It's the exact same core memory, but it's

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being translated through decades of lived experience.

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And that bizarre, fascinating translation is

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exactly what we're going to explore today. Welcome

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to the deep dive, by the way. Glad to be here.

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And it really challenges this assumption we all

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have about permanence. What do you mean by that?

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Well, usually when we talk about building something

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a house, for instance, we expect it to stay put.

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Right, sure. You pour the concrete, you put up

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the drywall, you paint it, and the project is

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just finished. We like to believe that once a

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creative project is out in the world, its identity

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is locked in. Locked in stone. But then you look

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at the world of music, and specifically the way

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some artists relate to their own past work, and

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suddenly that concrete foundation looks a lot

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more like wet clay. Definitely. Today's deep

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dive is based on a really fascinating single

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source. We're looking at a Wikipedia article

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detailing the history of the song Wings by Ringo

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Starr. A great topic. It is. Our mission today

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is to explore the anatomy of this one specific

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track, because it essentially lived two completely

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different lives, released 35 years apart. 35

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years is a long time to sit with a song. Yeah,

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it really is. We are going to unpack how an artist

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revisits, reinvents, and reinterprets their own

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past, and what the drastically different critical

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receptions tell us about art, time, and how our

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environment shapes what we create. It is the

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perfect case study for this, honestly. Looking

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at this song's evolution from its original release

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in 1977 to its total reinvention in 2012, it

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offers a truly unique lens. It really strips

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away the illusion that a piece of recorded music

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is just some fixed artifact in a museum. Exactly.

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It's a living thing. So whether you're a music

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history buff or someone catching up on pop culture,

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you're just, you know... insanely curious about

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the creative process. This story perfectly captures

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that eternal tension between an artist's internal

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vision and the public's perception. So what does

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this all mean? To understand why a song needs

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a massive reinvention in the first place, we

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have to go back to its birth. Which takes us

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to the absolute peak of the analog studio era.

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Oh yeah. August 26, 1977. When an album meant

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vinyl. Precisely. This is when the original version

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of Wings was released in the U .S. It was a single

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via Atlantic Records, featured on the album Ringo

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the 4th, and it was backed with a non -album

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track called Just a Dream on the B -side. The

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classic B -side. Right. And the production details

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of this original 1977 release are incredibly

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telling. Okay, let's unpack this, because you

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can't just talk about a late 70s track without

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talking about the sheer scale of how they made

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music back then. Absolutely. The 1977 version

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was produced by Arief Marden, who was, I mean,

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he was an absolute titan in the recording industry.

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The legend. Marden was known for putting together

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these lush, highly orchestrated, densely populated

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arrangements, and the personnel he assembled

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for this track reflects that philosophy completely.

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It was an army of top -tier talent. It really

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reads like a fantasy draft of 1970s studio musicians.

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It does. You have Ringo Starr on lead vocals

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and drums. Naturally. Naturally. But then you

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also have David Spinoza on lead guitar, Tony

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Levin on bass, Don Grolnik on keyboards, and

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either Jeff Marinov or John Tropea playing additional

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guitars. That's already a massive lineup. Oh,

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but wait. On top of all of that, you have the

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legendary Steve Gad also playing drums. Wait,

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I need to stop right there. Two drummers on one

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track. Two drummers? Ringo Starr and Steve Gad

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playing simultaneously. I have to ask, physically,

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what does that actually do to the sound of a

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record? It's massive. Right, because having that

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kind of lineup feels like you are building this

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heavy rock foundation. Yeah. How did that match

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up with how this song was actually received?

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Well, it matched up perfectly with the expectations

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of the era, really. It created a very specific

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sonic weight. When you have two drummers playing

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in an analog setup, you are moving a massive

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amount of literal air in the recording room.

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Wow. Yeah, just the physics of it. Right. In

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1977, musicians played together in the same physical

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space. So the sound of Steve Gad's snare drum

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is bleeding into the microphones that are picking

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up David Spinoza's guitar. Oh, so you can't just

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isolate them. You can't separate them at all.

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It forces everyone to lock in and feed off each

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other's physical energy in the room. So it's

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less like assembling a puzzle and more like,

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I don't know, watching a live Broadway ensemble.

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That's a great way to put it. Everyone has to

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hit their mark at the exact same time, and that

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shared adrenaline basically becomes part of the

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recording. Exactly, and the critics recognized

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that energy at the time. If we look at a review

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from Cashbox magazine, this is dated September

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3, 1977, they praised the track specifically

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for that dense... collaborative sound. What did

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they say? They wrote that the haunting melody

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is carried by a closely knit ensemble of vocalists.

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And they specifically highlighted that the track

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was supported by a richly textured horn section

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and stabbing guitars. Stabbing guitars. That

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is such a visceral phrase. It implies like urgency,

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aggression, something very forward leaning. It

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really does. And it perfectly contextualizes

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where this song sat in Ringo's career at the

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time. Chronologically, the single was sandwiched

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right between his releases of and drowning in

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the sea of love. This was an era of big dramatic

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statements. The wall of sound was the goal. I

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have to admit, looking at the success of that

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77 track, revisiting it 35 years later feels

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incredibly risky. It is risky. Usually when legacy

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artists decide to go back and touch their classic

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richly textured hits, it ends up feeling like...

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a cash grab or just a desperate attempt to stay

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relevant. Yeah, fans can be very protective.

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Exactly. If the original had these stabbing guitars

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and this haunting melody that critics loved,

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why not just let it live in the pantheon of 1970s

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rock? Was Ringo just bored? That's the natural

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assumption, right? Yeah. But the reality is much

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more about the unavoidable shifting of an artist's

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internal landscape. 35 years is a long time to

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live with a piece of your own art. It is a lifetime.

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So we jump forward to January 10th, 2012. Ringo

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Starr releases the album Ringo 2012 via Hippo

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Records. And right there on the crack list is

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Wings. But something is completely different.

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The genre has shifted entirely. We have gone

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from a heavily layered, urgent 1970s rock epic

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to reggae rock. Which feels less like a simple

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remix and more like a complete teardown of the

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house. Rock to reggae is a massive pivot. What's

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fascinating here is how Ringo explained the shift.

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He was very open about his motivation. He said,

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this is a song I first recorded on Ringo the

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4th back when an album meant vinyl. These are

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different days. And it's one of those songs I

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always wanted to revisit. I love that phrase,

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when an album meant vinyl. It's so evocative.

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It really acknowledges that the medium itself

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dictated the art. Right. And he has a really

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charming detail about his co -writer on the track,

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Vinny Poncia. Ringo said, I wrote Wings with

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Vinny Pancia in New York, and he doesn't know

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I've done this yet. I'm going to surprise Vinny

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and send it to him. The idea of surprising your

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co -writer with a fundamentally different version

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of your shared work decades later is just wild

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to me. A fun little surprise in the mail. It

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takes a lot of confidence. But the justification

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he gives for the genre shift is what really caught

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my eye. He says, for the last two years, I've

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been listening to a lot of reggae. So this album

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has a reggae feel to it. What can I tell you?

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I'm a product of my environment. I always loved

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the sentiment of this song and I'm glad we finally

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got it right. Finally got it right. That is a

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loaded statement from the original creator. It

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really is and I want to challenge that premise

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a bit. Go for it. Ringo says he always loved

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the sentiment of the song. But this changing

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the genre... Completely from a rock track driven

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by two drummers and stabbing guitars to a laid

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-back reggae groove, does that fundamentally

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alter the original sentiment? Fair question.

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It just seems impossible to change the musical

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skeleton that drastically without changing the

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emotional meaning of the lyrics. It absolutely

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alters the delivery of the sentiment and we can

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see exactly how by looking at the mechanics of

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reggae versus rock. Break that down for me. Well,

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in rock music, especially the 1977 style we discussed,

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the rhythm section is driving forward, heavily

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accenting the downbeats. It creates that urgent

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stabbing feeling. Right. Reggae does the exact

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opposite. Reggae is built on the offbeat, the

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syncopation. The emphasis is on the spaces between

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the beats. Oh, I see. So it physically forces

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the singer to lay back. You can't shout a rock

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lyric over a reggae offbeat. You have to stretch

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the words out. You have to let them breathe.

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Precisely. The words take on a more reflective,

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perhaps more mature weight rather than an urgent,

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angsty one. And this shift in genre is mirrored

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perfectly by the shift in how the 2012 version

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was actually produced. Because he didn't bring

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Aerith Martin's army back into the studio. Oh,

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no, he definitely didn't. The 2012 version represents

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a completely different philosophy of creation.

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It was produced by Ringo himself, along with

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Bruce Sugar. So much smaller team. It is a much

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more intimate, enclosed process. In 2012, Ringo

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is doing the heavy lifting across the board.

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The credits list him on drums, percussion. vocals,

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keyboards, and backing vocals. Wow, that is the

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complete opposite of the Broadway ensemble. Completely.

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If the 1977 version is a bunch of people bleeding

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into each other's microphones in a massive room,

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this 2012 version sounds like a stop motion film.

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That's a really good comparison. Yeah, like Ringo

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is in a digital studio laying down the drums

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alone, then he goes back and meticulously layers

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the keyboards over it. He is in total control

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of every micro movement. That is a perfect analogy.

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The digital audio workstation replaced the massive

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analog In its place, you have a much smaller,

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trusted circle. You've got Joe Walsh on guitar,

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Ben Montenegro on organ, and Bruce Sugar handling

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the piano and horn arrangements. You also have

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Amy Keys and Kelly Moneymaker providing the backing

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vocals. It's an isolated, controlled environment.

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So when Ringo says, I'm a product of my environment,

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he means it both musically and technologically.

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Absolutely. In 1977, his environment was a massive

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room with a dozen musicians trying to create

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a vinyl hit. In 2012, his environment was a digital

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studio, having the tools to layer most of the

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track himself asynchronously while being heavily

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influenced by two years of just listening to

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reggae. And that shift in environment stripped

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away the externalized rock performance and replaced

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it with a very personalized, grew -driven digital

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project. Ringo felt this new environment allowed

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him to finally get the core sentiment of the

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song correct. Which is a beautiful realization

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for an artist to have. But here's where it gets

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really interesting. Because while Ringo Starr,

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the creator of the intellectual property, felt

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he had finally achieved his true vision, the

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audience reaction was an entirely different story.

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The critical reception was undeniably fractured.

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That is putting it mildly. Let's look at the

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review from Billy Dukes. He was writing for Ultimate

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Classic Rock in January 2012. Oh, this one is

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tough. Dukes absolutely slammed the reggae remake.

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He compared it directly to the 1977 original

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and called the new version a less passionate

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borderline lifeless vocal performance. Lifeless

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is a very strong critique for an artist who felt

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he had just breathed new life into an old idea.

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It's brutal. But it makes me wonder if Dukes

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is simply misunderstanding the mechanics of the

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genre shift we just talked about. How so? I mean

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if you were sitting there with headphones on,

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specifically waiting for the urgency of stabbing

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guitars and the dramatic haunting ensemble vocals

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of a 1977 rock epic, then of course a digitally

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produced laid -back reggae track is going to

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sound lifeless in comparison. It's a totally

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different frequency. Exactly. It's operating

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on a completely different emotional frequency.

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You're expecting a sprint and the artist is inviting

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you for a slow walk. This raises an important

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question about the role of nostalgia and how

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art is consumed and evaluated. Oh, totally. The

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critic, Billy Dukes, is reviewing the 2012 track,

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but he isn't really listening to it in a vacuum.

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He is listening to it through the heavy ghost

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of the 1977 track. Right, he can't unhear the

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original. Exactly. Ringo's identity as a musician

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has evolved over 35 years, but the critic's baseline

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is anchored firmly in the past. So Ringo is essentially

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saying, this is who I am today. I feel the song

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today and the critic is saying, but I liked who

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you were yesterday better. Pretty much. Who gets

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to decide when a song is actually right? Is it

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the artist who wrote it and feels it finally

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matches their internal rhythm or is it the critic

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who is comparing it to a 35 year old memory?

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It's the eternal struggle of the legacy artist.

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But what is truly brilliant about this story

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is how Ringo Starr seemed entirely unfazed by

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that critical friction. He just kept going. He

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really did because the 2012 version of Wings

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didn't just stop it being a debated studio recording.

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It continued to evolve and it found these totally

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unexpected afterlives that distanced it even

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further from the 1977 original. which brings

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us to the music video, which is such a fascinating

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pivot in how artists interacted with the internet

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around that time. It really was. Rather than

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going the traditional industry route of hiring

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a big -mudget director to shoot a glossy, tightly

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-controlled promotional video, Ringo fully embraced

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the collaborative potential of the digital era.

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He decided to crowdsource the official music

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video for the 2012 version. Crowdsourcing a music

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video in 2012 is such a specific cultural moment.

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You are basically handing over the visual identity

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of your song to the internet. Exactly. He used

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a platform called genero .tv, which allowed independent

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filmmakers from all over the world to pitch their

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own visual interpretations of the track. That's

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so cool. Ultimately, a Vancouver -based filmmaker

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won the contest. Ringo personally reviewed the

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submissions, chose the winning entry, and publicly

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praised it, calling it a great little video.

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Just think about the trajectory of that. It's

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a journey. A song that started in a sweaty analog

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studio in 1977 with an army of musicians has

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now morphed into a digital reggae track that

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gets its visual identity from a fan -sourced

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filmmaker on the other side of the globe. It

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really is wild. It's like the song is just collecting

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different environments as it travels through

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time. And its journey still isn't over. Because

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the ultimate test of any song's durability, regardless

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of its genre or the era it was recorded in, is

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how it lives outside the studio in front of a

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live audience. Right, the live test. Ringo took

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this new reggae arrangement on the road. A live

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version was recorded in Atlanta by Ringo Starr

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and his All -Star Band. So he brings it back

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into a live ensemble setting, but with the new

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DNA of the 2012 reggae version. Precisely. And

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that specific live recording in Atlanta ended

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up serving a purpose far beyond just entertaining

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a crowd. Oh really? Yeah. If we connect this

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to the bigger picture, that live recording was

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utilized for a much greater cause. It was officially

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released on a charity compilation album titled

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Songs After Sandy, Friends Red Hook for Sandy

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Relief, which was put together specifically to

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help the victims of Hurricane Sandy. That completely

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recontextualizes the song again. It does. It

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shows the profound, unpredictable journey of

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a single piece of intellectual property. It begins

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as an urgent vinyl rock track in the 1970s. It

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transforms into a reflective digital reggae experiment

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in the 2010s. It becomes a crowd -sourced canvas

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for an independent filmmaker in Canada. And finally,

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it serves as a live communal vehicle to raise

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money for hurricane relief on the East Coast.

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It proves that a song or really any piece of

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art isn't just a fixed artifact. It's a living,

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breathing entity that constantly adapts to the

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era, the technology, and the specific needs of

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the moment. Which brings us right back to you

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listening to this deep dive right now. The application

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of this goes far beyond music history. Exactly.

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Because what is the major takeaway from this

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incredibly weird winding journey of a single

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Ringo Starr song? I think it is the realization

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that nothing you create is ever truly locked

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in stone. The concrete is actually wet clay.

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The concrete is wet clay. Just like Ringo Starr

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looking back at a 1977 track and deciding to

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inject it with the reggae he'd been listening

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to for two years, you too... are a product of

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your environment. Definitely. The tools you have

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today, the media you are consuming right now,

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the life experiences you've gathered, they fundamentally

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change how you see your own past work. And they

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should. Growth requires revision. So don't be

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afraid to revisit an old project, a dusty notebook,

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a discarded idea, or an old presentation with

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fresh eyes. Don't be afraid to rewrite it to

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entirely change its genre, so to speak. Yeah,

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take a risk. Take your own stabbing guitars and

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turn them into a reggae groove, if that's what

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makes sense to you today. Even if the critics

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or worse, your own harsh inner critic, try to

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compare it to the original until you was better

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the first time around. Ignore them. Sometimes

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you just have to tear down the walls and let

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your new environment shape the output so you

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can finally get it right. And that leaves us

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with one last philosophical puzzle to mull over.

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We've seen an artist fundamentally alter the

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genre, the instrumentation, and the entire emotional

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delivery of his own creation 35 years later.

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Yeah. If that is possible, at what point is a

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piece of art ever truly finished? Are the things

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we create today just living drafts, waiting for

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a new environment decades from now to rewrite

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them? Are they just foundations waiting for a

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new house to be built on top of them? Yeah. I

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love that. That is definitely something to chew

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on. Thank you so much for joining us on this

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deep dive today. We love exploring these weird,

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wonderful corners of history with you and celebrating

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that curiosity. We'll be back with more fascinating

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explorations next time. Until then keep looking

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at your old drafts with new eyes.
