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Imagine abandoning the sterile, brightly lit,

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completely predictable corridors of a United

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States Children's Hospital. Right, a totally

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safe environment. Exactly. And leaving all that

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to live in a freezing, muddy, incredibly remote

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camp in the mountainous jungles of Central Africa.

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It is an extreme pivot. It really is. And now

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imagine that choice ending in your brutal, unsolved

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murder. Yeah. Like, how does a healthcare worker

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caring for kids become, you know, a militant

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misanthrope and eventually a target for assassination?

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I mean, it is one of the most drastic, jarring,

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and ultimately fatal life pivots imaginable.

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You don't just wake up one day and decide to

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wage a one -woman war against humanity in the

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middle of the jungle without some profound psychological

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tectonic shifts happening beneath the surface.

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And that is exactly our mission for this Deep

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Dive. We are unpacking the fascinating, highly

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controversial and tragic life of conservationist

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Diane Fossey. Yes, and we have a really incredible

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source for this. We do. For you listening, we

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are relying on a really specific, powerful stack

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of information surrounding the 1987 biography

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called Wolf in the Mists. Written by the Canadian

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author and conservationist Farley Moet. Right,

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but we need to set expectations immediately here.

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If you are picturing a sanitized saintly biography

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of a pristine nature hero. The kind where birds

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just land on her shoulders while she sings. Exactly

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that kind. If that's what you're picturing you

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need to throw that image out the window. Who's

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far out the window? Moet's book is vital because

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it refuses to look away from the messy reality

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of conservation. Yeah, it's not a fairy tale.

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Not at all. We are talking about dark corporate

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intrigue, massive government friction, and personality

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so intense, so rigid and uncompromising, that

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she ended up alienating almost every single person

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who tried to work with her. I am just naturally

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curious about how a radical life shift like this

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even happens in the first place. Right, where

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does it start? Yeah, because you don't just accidentally

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end up in the mist -trouted mountains of Rwanda.

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If you're working a safe, secure job in the U

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.S., what triggers that kind of total transformation?

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To understand that, we really have to look at

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the sheer force of her will. Because the origin

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story is where the friction really begins. Okay,

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as you mentioned in the late 1950s Fossey was

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working in a children's hospital in the u .s.

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She wasn't an established field researcher didn't

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have the academic better great She had absolutely

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no formal background in zoology or anthropology,

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but she develops this this overwhelming fixation

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on wanting to become a field anthropologist wait

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I need to pause you there. Sure. Because if you

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have zero field experience, you don't just like

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walk into a jungle and start doing high level

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observational science. No, you definitely don't.

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So how did she even get her foot in the door?

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She practically forced the door open. The major

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catalyst comes in 1960. She manages, through

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just sheer persistence, to land an interview

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with Louis Leakey. Yeah, and for context, in

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the 1960s, Leakey wasn't just a scientist. He

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was an absolute kingmaker in the world of anthropology.

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Like, if he pointed at you and said, go to Africa,

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your life changed forever. Exactly. And he is

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the one who ultimately encourages her to go study

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the mountain gorillas of Central Africa firsthand.

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And she just goes for it. She does. But the sources

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note... She does this entirely against the wishes

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of her friends and her family. Like, they are

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practically begging her not to do this. Yeah,

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they were terrified for her. And she just tunes

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them out completely. It's like leaving a secure,

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predictable desk job to become a frontline soldier

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in a wilderness war zone. That's a great way

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to put it. It defies all conventional self -preservation.

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So what was it about her underlying character

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that allowed her to just casually ignore all

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those warnings from the people who loved her

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and just completely abandon her old life? What's

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fascinating here is how Farley Mowat interprets

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that exact decision in the biography. He asserts

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that this leap, this cold willingness to just

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cut ties, ignore every red flag, and walk into

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the absolute unknown against everyone's advice.

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It perfectly illustrates the immense strength

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of character that defined her. Right. It is the

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very trait that made her a global icon. But Moa

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is very careful to point out that this exact

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same rigid, unyielding strength of character

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is the mechanism that likely sealed her doom.

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Because if you have the kind of personality that

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can just ghost your family's concerns, you probably

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aren't great at compromising in other areas of

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your life either. Precisely. You can't be that

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headstrong without breaking things along the

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way. Yeah, that makes sense. Initially, though,

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it didn't look like a tragedy in the making.

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At first, the sources note she seemed destined

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to follow a path very much like Jane Goodall's.

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Because Leakey famously backed Goodall as well,

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right? Exactly. Fossey was on track to become

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a highly successful traditional scientist doing

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this groundbreaking impartial observational work

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with the gorillas. By systematically alienating

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everyone though, she didn't stay a traditional

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impartial scientist. No, she really didn't. Okay,

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let's unpack this. Because she transitions from

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an impartial researcher, someone who's taking

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notes on a clipboard, to this fierce, completely

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dogmatic conservationist. A total radicalization.

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Yeah. The sources say she made absolutely no

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attempt to disguise her hatred and contempt for

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poachers and hunters. How does someone go from

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just observing animals to actively hating the

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humans around them? It happens when observation

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is no longer enough to protect what you're observing.

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Ah, right. She wasn't just watching these gorillas,

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you know, she was living with them, bonding with

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them. They were her family. Basically, yes. And

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then she was watching them get slaughtered by

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poachers. So the shift from scientist to militant

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is fueled by immense grief and rage. It's personal

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now. Highly personal. The text is very clear

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on this. Hatred and contempt are the exact words

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used. She stopped gathering data and started

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fighting a literal ground war. But she wasn't

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just fighting poachers, was she? I mean, pop

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culture paints Fosse as this pure environmental...

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the hero who just loved the animals. But the

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sources suggest her biggest battles were actually

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with her own research team. They absolutely were.

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Publishers Weekly highlights her recurial personality.

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And Mowat's book does not hide the fact that

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she had a stubborn and difficult personality.

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Not at all. And this is where the reality of

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her daily life in the camp becomes so, so jarring.

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Yeah. She pushed people away constantly. She

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had no intimate friends. She became deeply, deeply

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bitter. Just totally isolated. Exactly. Reviewer

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Stefan Konfer, writing for Time Magazine, notes

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that Moet is scrupulously fair in his portrayal,

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precisely because he shows Fossey actively antagonizing

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her own co -workers. She wasn't just difficult,

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she was volatile. Konfer writes that she lurched

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from tantrum to euphoria and back again. Think

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of her personality like a biological immune system

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that's just in complete overdrive. Oh, that's

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an interesting way to look at it. Yeah, it was

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so fiercely protective of the gorillas that it

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started attacking the hell— cells around it.

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Her own colleagues, the local community, the

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government officials, literally anyone who tried

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to help her. And Time magazine goes so far as

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to outright call her a misanthrope. Someone who

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actively dislikes humankind. And if we connect

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this to the bigger picture... It highlights an

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incredible tragic paradox of conservation work.

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Which is? You have someone who loves a single

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species so intensely with such fierce devotion

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that she completely alienates her own species

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in the process. A profound self -imposed isolation.

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Exactly. And we should point out that it makes

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perfect sense that Farley Mott was the one to

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write this unvarnished account. Oh, because of

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his background. Right. He is the author of Never

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Cry Wolf. He spent time in the absolute wilderness.

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He understands the psychological toll of that

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kind of isolation. Right. He knows what happens

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to the human brain when you are separated from

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society for that long. He really does. He could

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have easily written a fluffy protective tribute

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to a fallen colleague. but he chose to tell the

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truth about her tantrums and her bitterness.

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He recognized that her flaws were the actual

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agent of her story. Her intense feelings were

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real, but so was her hostility. It's complicated.

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Very. If you are a young researcher sent to her

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camp, and your boss is lurching from euphoria

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to screaming tantrums, you aren't going to stay,

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and you aren't going to protect her. And that

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extreme isolation wasn't just sad on a personal

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level, it had terrifying physical consequences.

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It really did. By systematically alienating the

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local Rwandan staff, her fellow researchers,

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and government officials, Fossey didn't just

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lose friends. She dismantled her own early warning

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system. That's exactly what happened. Because

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in a remote jungle, your relationships are your

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security detail. Without alliances, anyone could

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walk into her camp, which is exactly what happened

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in December 1985. Which brings us to the brutal

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reality of her death. In December 1985, Diane

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Fossey was murdered in her African camp. Here's

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where it gets really interesting though. Yeah.

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Because when you hear about a conservationist

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being killed, you immediately assume it was a

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local poacher who was angry she destroyed a snare.

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That's the natural assumption, yes. But the sources

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show this escalated from local conflicts in the

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mud to what sounds like a full -blown international

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geopolitical thriller. It absolutely did. The

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circumstances around her death remain incredibly

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dark and heavily debated even today. Right. The

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book doesn't claim to solve the case with a smoking

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gun, but Mowat heavily speculates on the mechanics

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of the murder. He suggests that an ex -worker

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may have been hired to carry out the assassination.

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Hired by who? I mean, who has the money to fund

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a hit in the middle of the Rwandan mountains?

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larger corporate interests. You have to look

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at the economics of Central Africa in the 1980s.

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Go ahead. The mountains where the gorillas lived

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weren't just pristine nature reserves to everyone.

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They were massive sources of potential revenue.

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Oh, of course. We are talking about lucrative

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tourism routes, agricultural expansion, and highly

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organized, well -funded poaching syndicates.

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So she wasn't just a nuisance to local hunters.

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She was a literal roadblock. to millions of dollars

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in profit. A huge roadblock. By fiercely protecting

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the gorillas and demanding just your own human

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interference, she was standing in the way of

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massive economic engines. And Time Magazine goes

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even further into the state -level GIGO politics

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of it. They point to convincing accusations of

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government -sponsored assassins. Government -sponsored

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assassins? Let the weight of that sink in for

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a moment. It's chilling. Her militant conservation

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work was disrupting systems of power and profit

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so significantly that it may have triggered a

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coordinated state level or corporate level assassination.

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Wow. She wasn't just a scientist anymore. She

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was treated as an enemy of the state or an enemy

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of commerce. But then time makes a concession

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that is just it's chilling, honestly. They concede

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that Fossey's misanthropy essentially made her

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an accessory to the crime of her own murder.

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And this raises an important question for you

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to consider as you listen. Did her complete inability

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to play politics, her utter refusal to maintain

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alliances, ultimately cost her her life? That's

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the million dollar question. If she had built

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bridges with the local government, if she had

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compromised even slightly to allow some regulated

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tourism, would she have had the institutional

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protection she needed to survive? But instead

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she pushed everyone away. She did. When you alienate

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your coworkers, when you have no intimate friends

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to watch your back, you dismantle your own safety

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net. Yeah. Her absolute dogmatic nature was her

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greatest superpower. I mean, it's the only reason

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the mountain girl has survived when no one else

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was fighting for them. True. But it was also

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her fatal flaw. It left her entirely alone in

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a remote cabin surrounded by enemies she had

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openly, verbally, and physically despised. She

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made herself a barrier to profit, and through

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her own psychological rigidity, she ensured she

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was a barrier standing completely by herself.

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She made it incredibly easy for her enemies to

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reach her. It is such a violent, dark end to

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her life. With her life ending so abruptly, we

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have to look at how history and literature have

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judged her legacy since that night in 1985. Right.

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Which brings us to the reception of Mowat's biography

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itself, which came out in 1987, just two years

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after her murder. The timing of the book is crucial.

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The wounds were still incredibly fresh in the

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scientific community, and you might recognize

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the title format. Mowat called his biography,

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Woman in the Mists. Which is a direct play on

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Fosse's own 1983 book, Gorilla's in the Mist.

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Exactly. And for most people, That title probably

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rings a bell because it inspired the very famous

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1988 film starring Sigourney Weaver. Right, a

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huge movie. But the movie, while powerful, often

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leans into that Hollywood hero narrative. Mawit's

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book, according to the reviews we have, is a

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much grittier experience. It absolutely is. When

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it was released, Publishers Weekly described

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it as a gripping story from beginning to gruesome

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end. Gruesome ends. Wow. Yeah, they specifically

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highlighted that it wasn't a dry scientific text.

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It was filled with drama, intrigue, and even

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love affairs. It reads like a novel. It does.

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They argued that her highly volatile, mercurial

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personality is exactly what elevates the book.

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It gives it a much wider audience than you would

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typically find in the standard nature adventure

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genre. Because it's a psychological thriller

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as much as it is a biology book. Frank Reiser,

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writing in the Library Journal, called the book

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essential reading. But he said it's essential

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for a very specific, profound reason. He wrote

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that it is essential for all who understand the

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sacrifice of self for the preservation of other

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species. Sacrifice of self. That is an incredibly

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heavy phrase, especially given how she died.

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So what does this all mean? If you are listening

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right now and you are deeply passionate about

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a cause, whether it's environmental, political,

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or social, why does Fosse's specific messy story

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matter to you? It matters because it perfectly

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synthesizes the dual themes of any grand, consuming

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crusade. OK, unpack that a bit. Well, on one

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hand, you have the undeniable, objective importance

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of preserving the mountain gorillas. That was

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a cause that Moat himself deeply believed in,

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and it is a battle that Fossey definitively helped

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win. Right. The gorillas are still there because

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of her. But on the other hand, you have the devastating,

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often ignored, personal toll it takes on the

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individual fighting that battle. The human cost

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of extreme activism. Yes. Looking at multiple

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perspectives, seeing Fossey as a literal savior

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to the gorillas, but simultaneously as a terror

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to her colleagues and a militant misanthrope,

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it enriches our understanding of what real boots

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-on -the -ground activism actually looks like.

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It's not a Disney movie. No, it is almost never

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clean. It is rarely polite. It's definitely not

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a sterile children's hospital corridor. Far from

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it. It requires you to get your hands dirty,

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and sometimes it requires a level of obsession

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that most of us can't even fathom. But as we've

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seen, that level of obsession has a terrifying

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dark side. When you stop seeing the humanity

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and the people around you, you lose the very

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connections that keep you grounded, and more

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importantly, keep you safe. And that brings us

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to the core of what we've uncovered today. We've

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been tracing the incredible, completely contradictory

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life of Diane Fossey through the lens of Farley

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Mollett's Woman in the Mists. A really wild journey.

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We started with a woman who defied every expectation,

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leaving the safety of a hospital to go save a

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species in the African jungle. She did exactly

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what she set out to do. She did. But in the process,

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her passion curdled into a bitter war against

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humanity itself. She made powerful enemies of

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poachers, massive corporate interest, and her

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own peers. Yeah. And ultimately, she paid the

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absolute ultimate price for that self -imposed

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isolation in December of 1985. She successfully

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saved the mountain gorillas from extinction,

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but she systematically destroyed every mechanism

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that could have saved herself. Which leaves us

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with a lingering thought for you to mull over

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long after this deep dive ends. Think back to

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that quote from Frank Reiser in the Library Journal.

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He praised Fossey's sacrifice of self for the

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preservation of other species. It's a powerful

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quote. On paper, that sounds incredibly noble.

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It sounds heroic. But looking closely at her

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tragic end, looking at her total lack of intimate

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friends... the bitter isolation she built around

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herself, and the fact that she was murdered alone

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in the dark. Oh, you mean murdered alone in the

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dark. Right, exactly. At what point does a noble

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sacrifice of self morph into a self -destructive

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obsession, an obsession that might actually endanger

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the longevity of the very cause you are fighting

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for? If you alienate everyone who could carry

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on your work, where exactly is the line between

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world -changing passion and fatal obsession?

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That's the question you have to ask yourself.

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Because stepping out of the safe, sterile corridors

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of a normal life to fight for what you believe

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in can absolutely change the world. But if you

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aren't careful, if you burn every bridge to the

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people around you, the wilderness you run into

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might just swallow you whole.
