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welcome to today's deep dive I want you to think

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about a project you currently have just sitting

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in a drawer oh we all have one of those right

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or maybe it's buried in a random folder on your

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desktop it could be a presentation for work a

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novel you started writing years ago or you know

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even just a plan for a home renovation yeah And

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you pull it out, look at it, and immediately

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think, this is never going to be good enough.

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Exactly. So you put it away again. If you know

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that feeling, today's session is entirely for

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you. We are going to explore the anatomy of a

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creative struggle. A really epic one, too. Yes.

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We're pulling all our insights today from a single

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fascinating source. It's a Wikipedia article

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detailing the history of Georges Bizet's Roma

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Symphony. Which is such a goldmine for understanding

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the creative process. It really is. Our mission

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for this deep dive is to figure out why a certified

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musical genius spent over a decade wrestling

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with one piece of music. He never felt it was

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actually finished. We want to see what that agonizing

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process teaches us about the double -edged sword

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of perfectionism. It's the ultimate historical

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case study. in creative paralysis. I mean, we

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have this tendency to look back at the giants

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of history and assume their work just flowed

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out of them. Like magic, fully formed. Right,

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exactly like magic. But the story of the Roma

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Symphony proves that even the absolute greats

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get profoundly stuck in their own heads. They're

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constantly tweaking, editing, and doubting every

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single decision. Okay, let's unpack this. Georges

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Bizet. If you are even casually familiar with

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classical music, you probably know that name.

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Oh, absolutely. He is legendary for composing

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these monumental, world -renowned operas like

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Carmen and The Pearl Fishers. But today, we are

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skipping the opera house entirely. We are. We're

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focusing strictly on his orchestral work, specifically

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his second symphony. It's known as Souvenirs

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de Rome, or just the Roma Symphony. And to really

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understand why Roma became such a heavy psychological

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burden for him, we have to look at how it contrasts

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with his very first symphony. Right, because

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the context is everything here. It is. Bizet

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wrote his symphony in C major when he was just

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17 years old. And he wrote it with astonishing

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speed. Just cranked it out. Exactly. It was this

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effortless, brilliant outpouring of a teenager

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who just wasn't yet terrified of the rules. But

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Roma. Roma was a fundamentally different beast.

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He started sketching it out when he was 22. He

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had largely finished it by the time he was 33,

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but he was never satisfied. Over 10 years? Over

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10 years. He kept obsessively revising it. And

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tragically, he died at the age of 36 without

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ever reaching what he considered a definitive

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version. Wow. What's fascinating here is the

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stark difference between the effortless inspiration

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of youth and the grueling self -critical perfectionism

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of adulthood. That transition is so relatable.

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When you are 17, you just create because you

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don't know any better. You have no baggage. None.

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But when you are 22 and suddenly people expect

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things from you, the stakes feel... impossibly

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high, every single note feels heavy. That's exactly

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what happened. So let's set the scene for the

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initial spark of inspiration. The year is 1857.

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Bizet is this rising star, and he wins the prestigious

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Prix de Rome. Which is essentially the ultimate

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creative blank check of the 19th century. It

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sounds like an amazing deal. It was. It provided

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him with the funding to spend two years studying

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entirely free of charge at the French Academy

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in Rome. And the traditional path was to follow

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that up with a year of study in Germany. Right.

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That was the standard expectation. But he decides

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to go off script. He never actually makes it

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to Germany. Instead, he stays in Rome all the

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way until July of 1860. He is just soaking up

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the atmosphere. Living the life. Yes. And rather

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than rushing back to Paris when his residency

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is up, he decides to take a sweeping tour through

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Italy. He's trying to visit all the places he

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hadn't managed to see during his earlier travels.

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It's basically the ultimate. post -grad backpacking

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trip, just, you know, in the 1860s. Exactly.

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And it's during this extended tour, specifically

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when he reaches the city of Rimini in 1860, that

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inspiration strikes. He has this massive vision.

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He envisions a grand four -movement musical travelogue.

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He wants each movement to capture the distinct

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soul of a different iconic Italian city. Right,

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the opening movement would represent Rome. The

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slow, sweeping second movement, the Andante,

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would be Venice. The fast, playful third movement,

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the Scherzo, would capture the bustling energy

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of Florence. And the grand finale would be entirely

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dedicated to Naples. It is exactly like planning

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a meticulously detailed itinerary through Europe.

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but mapping it out on sheet music. You can almost

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picture him sitting in Rimini, looking out at

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the city, furiously sketching out this grand

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ambition. He's trying to synthesize the architecture,

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the culture, and the history of four distinct

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cities into one cohesive orchestral journey.

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It's a staggering amount of ambition for a 22

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-year -old. It really is. And he likely made

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his very first structural sketches right then

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there. He was full of momentum. But then reality

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crashes in. He travels to his next stop, Venice.

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and he receives a devastating letter. He learns

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that his mother is seriously ill. The dream trip

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just comes to a screeching halt. He drops the

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itinerary, abandons the tour, and rushes home

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to Paris immediately. The grand Italian inspiration

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is shattered right in the middle of the actual

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experience. If we connect this to the bigger

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picture, this Sudden tragic interruption to his

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travels perfectly mirrors the fragmented start

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and stop journey of the symphony's composition

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over the next decade. That's a really good point.

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The original idea was born on the open road.

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It was free, expansive and joyful. But the actual

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execution of the work was violently cut short

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by grief and duty. So from that moment in Venice

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onward, the project seems to carry a heavy, interrupted

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energy. It totally transforms. It goes from a

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joyful travelogue into a project defined by hesitation.

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Which brings us to the actual timeline of his

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frustration. So he's back in Paris. He's grieving.

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His trip is ruined. How does he actually pick

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up the pieces and start writing? Slowly. But

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by 1861, he does manage to complete the scherzo.

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That's the movement dedicated to Florence. And

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in a symphony, a scherzo is usually a lively,

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driving piece of music. Yes, and it actually

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gets a private performance later that year. But

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the real drama, the moment that changes everything,

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happens a couple years later, on January 11,

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1863. The public premiere. Right. The scherzo

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gets its first major public performance. It's

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conducted by Jules Passaloup at the Cirque Napoleon.

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And we really should note the context here. The

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audience at the Cirque du Pouillon was made up

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of concert subscribers. Right. These weren't

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avant -garde thinkers. Exactly. These were people

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who expected a very specific, highly traditional

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style of music. Camille Saint -Saëns, another

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legendary composer, was actually sitting in the

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audience that day. Oh, wow. And the performance

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was an unmitigated disaster. The orchestra played

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it poorly, and the crowd had a visceral, hostile

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reaction. They hated it. They basically booted

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out of the hall. Okay, let me play devil's advocate

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for a second here. Was the audience just being

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overly rigid and hostile, or was the music actually

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bad at that point in the drafting process? It

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was likely a toxic combination of both. The orchestra

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was heavily under -rehearsed, which never helps.

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But Bizet was also experimenting with forms that

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genuinely challenged a deeply traditional audience.

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But here is the crucial part of the story. Just

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seven days later, on January 18th, That exact

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same piece of music is played at a different

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venue. The Society National des Beaux -Arts.

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Yes. And the reaction is the complete opposite.

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It receives a warm, highly positive reception.

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The psychological whiplash of that is staggering.

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I want you to really put yourself in Bizet's

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shoes here for a second. Imagine you present

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a new strategy at work or you post a creative

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project online. On Tuesday, a room full of people

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rips it to shreds and implies it's worthless.

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And then the very next Tuesday, a different room

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full of people gives you a standing ovation.

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How disorienting would that be? How do you even

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know which audience to believe? You don't. It

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completely shatters your internal compass. When

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you can no longer trust the audience's reaction,

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you start second -guessing your own instincts.

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And you can see that profound destabilization

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in how Bizet handles the piece from that moment

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forward. The endless obsessive edits begin. Yeah,

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so by 1866, he manages to finish a complete version

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of the entire four -movement symphony. And in

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this 1866 iteration, the first movement was structured

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as a theme and variations. But his confidence

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is so deeply shaken by this point that he decides

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he hates it. He scraps the entire structure of

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the first movement and begins a ground -up revision.

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He threw out a completed symphonic structure.

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That is, hundreds of hours of painstaking orchestration

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just tossed in the fire. And the agony continues.

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He revises the entire thing again in 1868. Then

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we get to 1869 and things get weird. Very weird.

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Three movements of his newly revised score are

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performed, again with Paz de Lupe conducting.

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Interestingly, he leaves the scherzo out of this

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performance entirely. But this time the work

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isn't billed as a symphony. No, it's billed under

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the title Fantaisie Symphonique, Souvenir de

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Rome. And he starts slapping these highly descriptive

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programmatic titles onto the individual movements.

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Right, so he calls one movement Un Chasse dans

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la Forêt d 'Hostie, which translates to A Hunt

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in the Ostia Forest. Another is titled Un Procession.

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And the finale, which was originally meant to

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represent Naples, is now titled Carnival a Rome.

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Why does he do this? To me, adding these highly

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specific titles feels like a creator who has

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lost faith in his art's ability to speak for

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itself. Absolutely. It's like when you tell a

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joke and nobody laughs, so you immediately start

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explaining the punchline. He's trying to force

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the audience to understand exactly what they're

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supposed to be feeling. That is a perfect analogy.

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Programmatic music, which is music that is intended

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to tell a specific narrative story, was popular

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at the time. By retrofitting these narrative

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titles onto a piece that was originally conceived

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as an abstract symphony, he is desperately searching

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for a magic formula. He's changing notes, shuffling

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structures, and literally renaming the emotions,

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just hoping something will finally feel right

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to his own ear. But even after that 1869 performance,

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he is still unsatisfied. He begins revising it

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yet again. It's an agonizing loop. Finally, around

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1871, he hits a wall. The energy is just gone.

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He abandons the revisions entirely and shifts

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his focus to other projects. He essentially just

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walks away, leaving it in a state he considered

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unfinished. And here's where it gets really interesting.

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Because of this decade of tinkering, the piece

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ends up suffering from a monumental historical

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identity crisis. What exactly is this piece of

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music? Exactly. That became the great debate.

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Bizet himself originally categorized it as a

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symphony. But because of its unusual structure

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and those descriptive titles he kept adding and

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stripping away, it fell into this awkward, frustrating

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middle ground. It wasn't quite a traditional

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abstract symphony, but it also wasn't quite a

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symphonic suite. It defied easy categorization,

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which absolutely infuriated the musical establishment.

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The critics really did not hold back on this.

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There is a famously brutal assessment from Grove's

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Dictionary of Music and Musicians that captures

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this frustration perfectly. They wrote that the

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piece is, quote, not sufficiently explicit for

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program music and too carelessly constructed

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for an abstract symphony. Carelessly constructed?

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Ouch! That is a devastating critique, to hurl

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at a piece of art that a man spent over 10 years

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meticulously agonizing over. And revising constantly.

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Right. But because it sat in this undefined gray

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area, many historical reference works just decided

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to ignore Bizet's own label. They classified

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it as a suite instead. But the naming confusion

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gets even more absurd. If you look through certain

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historical archives, you will find this piece

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numbered as Bizet's Symphonic Suite No. 3. Which

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makes absolutely no sense until you dig into

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the timeline. Why call it Suite No. 3? Well,

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some historians thought that if they called his

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second big symphonic project a suite, it would

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prevent the public from confusing it with his

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first symphony. That symphony in C major he wrote

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when he was 17. Right, which happens to be in

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the exact same key as Roma. But there is a massive

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historical plot twist here. This raises an important

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question about timelines. Historians couldn't

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have started calling it Symphonic Suite No. 3

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to avoid confusion with his first symphony until

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after the year 1935. Because before 1935, his

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first symphony was completely lost to history.

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The world literally did not know it existed.

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It was discovered sitting in a dusty archive

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60 years after Bizet died. So you have historians

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retroactively renaming a piece of music to avoid

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confusing it with another piece of music that

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no one even knew existed. It is the ultimate

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classical music bureaucratic nightmare. Truly.

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This really shows how we consume history. We

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look at reference books and timelines and everything

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looks so neat and tidy. But those labels are

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often applied decades later by scholars. They're

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trying to organize an artist's incredibly messy,

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chaotic life into a digestible format. They created

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a false narrative of organization for a composer

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whose actual creative process on this specific

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piece was pure, unadulterated chaos. It was chaos.

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But here's the thing. Out of all that chaos,

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a tangible piece of art did emerge. We have a

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finished score. It takes about 31 minutes for

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an orchestra to play. So after 10 years of revisions,

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grief, and identity crises, we have to ask the

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obvious question. Is the actual music any good?

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The historical consensus is that Roma is a deeply

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uneven work. Let's look at that scherzo, the

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Florence movement that he wrote back in 1861,

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the one the first audience practically booed

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out of the building. Today? that is widely singled

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out by critics as the absolute best movement

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of the entire piece. It's praised for being full

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of brilliant liveliness and grace. Isn't that

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always the way? The exact thing he was ridiculed

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for early in his career is the one part that

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undeniably stood the test of time. But the rest

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of the symphony is a tougher sell. The outer

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movements are described as having flashes of

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undeniable brilliance, but they get bogged down

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by what critics call academic pedantry. Meaning

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he was overthinking it. Big time. When you spend

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a decade revising a piece, you often start correcting

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things that don't need to be corrected. You follow

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the rules of composition so strictly that you

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drain the spontaneity right out of the music.

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He squeezed all the actual joy out of it, trying

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to make it mathematically perfect. And we have

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to be honest about the harsh criticism. The slow

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movement, the Andante representing Venice, is

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not well regarded at all. In fact, many critics

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describe it as downright ponderous and boring.

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Which is a tragic irony. You revise something

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endlessly to achieve perfection, and in doing

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so, you rub away the original spark that made

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the idea special in the first place. You end

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up with something that is technically correct,

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but emotionally flat. But just when you think

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the Roma Symphony is destined to be a forgotten

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footnote, relegated to the bargain bin of musical

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history, we get our final, incredible plot twist.

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A true giant of the classical world steps in

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to rescue its legacy. Gustav Mahler. Mahler is

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universally recognized as one of the most brilliant

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composers and conductors to ever live. And despite

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all of Roma's heavily documented flaws, Mahler

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absolutely loved it. He didn't just love it,

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he actively championed it. Mahler thought highly

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enough of the Roma Symphony to conduct its Vienna

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premiere during his 1898 to 1899 season. And

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when Mahler went on a sweeping American tour

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in 1910, he brought Roma with him to expose audiences

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in the United States to Bizet's struggling, forgotten

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work. That is the ultimate validation. Though,

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to be historically accurate, American audiences

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had actually heard it a few decades earlier.

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The official United States premiere happened

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on November 11, 1880, at the Metropolitan Concert

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Hall. It was conducted by Theodore Thomas. And

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the New York Times Senate Critic. to review the

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performance. Their assessment is probably the

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most poignant summary of the piece ever written.

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The critic noted that there was much to admire

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in the work, but explicitly stated it was crude

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in arrangement and possessed an air of incompleteness

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about it. An air of incompleteness. It's a profound

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observation. Even fully orchestrated, performed

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by a massive ensemble, the music itself somehow

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radiates the lingering uncertainty of its creator.

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And this is exactly why this deep dive matters.

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This is the takeaway I really want you to absorb

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today. Your work does not have to be flawless

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to have value. You do not have to be perfect

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to make an impact. Here we have a piece of music

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that is famously uneven. It has boring sections.

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It's crude in its arrangement. It suffers from

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a massive identity crisis. And yet a historical

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genius like Gustav Mahler looked at that messy,

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incomplete score and said, There is magic in

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here, and it deserves to be heard. Exactly. Bizet

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was completely blinded by the flaws, but brilliant

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minds who came after him saw the profound beauty

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struggling underneath all that pit and tree.

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The piece went on to be recorded by legendary

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world -class conductors like Sir Thomas Beecham

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and Michelle Plassen. The finale is even enjoyed

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a life of its own, recorded as a standalone piece

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under the title Carnival. So what does this all

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mean? When we step back and look at the entire

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exhausting timeline of Bizet's Roma Symphony,

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what are we left with? It stands as the ultimate

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monument to the dangers of perfectionism. It

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was born from the joyful, expansive inspiration

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of an Italian road trip only to be suffocated

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by a decade of relentless self -doubt and revision.

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In the eyes of the man who poured his soul into

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it, it was never truly finished. Yet it became

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a fully scored reality that completely outlived

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him. Bizet died in 1875. And the symphony finally

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received its full posthumous publication in 1880.

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There's a critical realization here regarding

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creative physics. You can only carry so much

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weight at one time. That's very true. Fizet finally

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abandoned his endless revisions of the Roma Symphony

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around 1871. He just put the pen down and walked

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away. Now, look at what happened immediately

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after. This is the best part. By finally accepting

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defeat on this one specific project, he broke

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the cycle. He freed up the mental space and the

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creative energy he had been burning for 10 years.

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Just a few short years after walking away from

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Roma, he composed his undisputed, world -changing

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masterpiece, Carmen. He had to put down the heavy,

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broken stone so his hands were free to pick up

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the diamond. Sometimes, abandoning a flawed project

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isn't a failure at all. It's just the required

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maintenance to clear the path for your actual

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masterpiece. And that leads to a final thought

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I want you to really mull over today. We spent

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this entire time talking about Bizet's historical

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struggle, but let's bring it back to you. Think

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about your own creative life, your own career,

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or your own personal goals. What is your Roma

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symphony? What is that one project sitting in

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your drawer right now, dragging you down with

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the weight of its own incompleteness? That is

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the perfect question to end on. What is the project

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you need to either finally release into the world,

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flaws and all, or purposefully abandon so you

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can finally write your own Carmen? Thank you

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so much for joining us on this deep dive into

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the messy, frustrating, and incredibly human

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history of the Roma Symphony. Until next time,

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keep exploring, and remember, don't let perfect

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be the enemy of the good.
