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Think about your own life for a second. How exactly

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do you measure success in your day to day? Right.

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Like, is it just the hard numbers? Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, is it about how many people buy into

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what you're selling or maybe how loudly your

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ideas are applauded in a crowded room? Or do

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you look at it from the flip side, like measuring

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it by the quiet respect of your peers? Yes. That

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critical acclaim from the very specific group

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of people who truly understand, you know, the

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nuts and bolts of what it takes to do what you

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do. It's a huge question. And welcome to the

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deep dive. Today, we are looking at a really

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fascinating stack of sources. Oh, absolutely.

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We've got the release history, the highly specific

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chart data, and the background details straight

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from the Wikipedia article for a song released

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back in the year 2000. A very specific era. Very.

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The track is called Pass You By. Yeah. And the

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artist is, well, the legendary American R &amp;B

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group Boyz II Men. Right. So our mission for

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this deep dive, for you listening, is to explore

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the anatomy of what looks like a commercial flop.

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But one that somehow, against all odds, still

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achieved the absolute highest form of industry

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validation. It really serves as a perfect case

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study in the contradictions of the music industry.

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Because when we examine the raw data for this

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specific track. the numbers tell two completely

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different, almost irreconcilable stories. It's

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wild. It really is. You have this stark disconnect

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between the consumer reception, which, frankly,

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based on the metrics, was abysmal in their home

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country. Yeah. And the critical acclaim from

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the very highest levels of the music establishment.

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So we're going to look strictly at the release

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timeline, the specific chart metrics from around

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the globe, and the production credits. To understand

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how a piece of art can literally be rejected

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by the masses but celebrated by the experts at

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the exact same time. Exactly. And the trivia

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hidden in this track's history, it really makes

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you rethink the whole concept of what constitutes

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a hit. It changes the whole definition. It does.

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And for you listening, we really want you to

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keep this in the back of your mind as we go through

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the timeline. The pop culture narratives we tend

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to just accept without question. Right. The things

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we just assume are true. Exactly. They are usually

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so much more complicated behind the scenes. What

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looks like a massive failure on paper might actually

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be a triumph behind closed doors, depending on,

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you know, who is holding the pen. That's a great

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way to put it. So let's set the scene. The year

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is 2000. Boy's Two Second Men is a powerhouse.

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unstoppable truly if you look at the discography

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listed in our source material they have this

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massive catalog of defining singles leading up

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to this point songs like end of the road i'll

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make love to you on bended knee one sweet day

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it's hit after hit right They have been a dominant

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force. And in the year 2000, they are gearing

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up to release their fifth studio album. And the

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context of this specific era for the group is

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actually hidden right there in the album's title.

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Oh, yeah. The album is literally titled Nathan

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Michael Sean Wanya. Which is just their first

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names. It feels like a very deliberate choice

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to strip away the brand and just focus on the

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individuals. Taking that a step further, look

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at who is missing. from that title. Right. Because

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the source text provides the roster of group

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members. And the total list includes Nathan Morris,

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Sean Stockman, Wanya Morris, Mark Nelson, and

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Michael McCaffrey. Five guys. Five guys originally.

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But by titling their fifth studio album simply

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Nathan Michael Sean Wanya, they are making a

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very literal, specific declaration about the

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quartet lineup for this era. It's the fascinating

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absence of Mark Nelson from that title. Reflects

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the exact composition of the group at the time

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this music was being pushed to the public. It's

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a statement of identity right on the cover, telling

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the audience exactly who is in the room. It's

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like they are reintroducing themselves to the

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world, laying all their cards on the table. But

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focusing specifically on Pass You By, the single

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we were tracking from this album, there's a really

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interesting twist regarding who is actually in

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the room for this one. Oh, absolutely. Because

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even though it's released under this very unified,

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quartet -focused album title, the track itself

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was entirely driven by just one of those guys.

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Yep. Sean Stockman is listed as the sole songwriter.

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And he's also listed as the sole producer. He

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took on both of those massive duties entirely

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on his own. Which is incredibly impressive, especially

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within the context of a vocal harmony group,

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where collaboration is usually the core of the

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creative process. Right. You're usually bouncing

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ideas off each other. You usually have multiple

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writers, outside producers, a whole committee

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shaping the sound. But Stockman is stepping up

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and taking complete creative control of the architecture

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of this specific song. Wow. And when he delivers

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it to the label, which in this case is the corporate

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machine of Universal, we see the very first compromise

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between artistic vision and commercial reality.

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Yeah, let's talk about that. The source shows

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us two distinct lengths for the song. There's

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the main version, which clocks in at 4 minutes

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and 26 seconds. And then there's the radio edit,

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which is shaved down to 3 minutes and 59 seconds.

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Now, 27 seconds might not sound like a massive

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sacrifice to you or me, but... In the music business,

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why does that matter so much? Like, why does

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Universal need a tighter sub -four -minute version?

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It comes down to the strict mechanics of radio

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playability. Radio stations program their hours

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down to the exact second. Every single second

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counts. Exactly. They have to fit in advertisements,

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station identification, news breaks, and DJ banter.

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A song that runs over four minutes, and certainly

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one creeping up on four and a half minutes, is

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viewed as a liability for a programmer. Because

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it throws off the schedule. It throws off the

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math of the entire hour. By providing a version

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that is exactly three minutes and 59 seconds,

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Universal is removing a psychological and logistical

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barrier to entry for those programmers. Right.

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They are taking Stockman's four and a half minute

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vision and packaging it into a product that is

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perfectly optimized for the fast paced ecosystem

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of contemporary radio. Here's where it gets really

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interesting, though, because despite that optimization.

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Yep. Despite shaving it down to perfectly fit

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the radio format, despite the massive backing

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of Universal, and despite being from one of the

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biggest R &amp;B groups on the planet, Pass You By

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was commercially unsuccessful. Completely. It

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completely failed to make the main US Billboard

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Hot 100 chart. To not even register on the primary

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metric of American musical success is a massive

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blow, especially considering their track record.

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But the data shows us exactly where it stalled

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out. Right on the edge. It peaked at number four

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on the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100. We have

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to explain the Bubbling Under chart because it

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is essentially the definition of purgatory in

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the music industry. It really is. It's literally

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the waiting room for the Hot 100. It means you

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are just sitting there right on the outside looking

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in. If you are number four on the bubbling under

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chart, you are essentially the 104th most popular

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song in the country. Which is heartbreaking.

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You get all the frustration of being close, but

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absolutely none of the glory of actually being

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on the main list. It's a brutal place for a major

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artist to land. However, if we dig deeper into

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the chart data, we see that the song didn't just

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disappear into the ether. It did find specific

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niche audiences within the United States. Okay,

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where did it land? It managed to hit number 27

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on the U .S. Hot R &amp;B Hip Hop Songs chart. Not

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bad. And it reached number 39. on the u .s pop

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airplay chart so it is getting some play people

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in specific demographics are definitely hearing

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it but it just cannot achieve that critical mass

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to break into the mainstream consciousness in

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the u .s exactly so we had the u .s data did

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universal just cut their losses at that point

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or is there a global strategy at play here there

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was absolutely a global strategy And if we connect

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this to the bigger picture, the geographic data

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provides a really fascinating contrast. Because

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while the United States mainstream was largely

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rejecting the song, it was finding a significantly

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warmer reception internationally. Really? Yes.

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The song actually performed the best in Australia.

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It peaked at number 13 on the ARIA top 50 singles

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chart. And ARIA being the Australian Recording

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Industry Association, they were called on a billboard.

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Wow. Number 13 is a legitimate... And it wasn't

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just an anomaly in Australia either. The source

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shows it also charted in France, reaching number

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73 on the SNEP chart, which is the official French

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record industry syndicate. Right. And it made

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it to number 98 on the single top 100 in the

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Netherlands. Why do you think a quintessential,

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deeply American R &amp;B group finds a much warmer

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reception for this specific track on the Australian

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charts than on the main? U .S. Hot 100? It's

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a great question. I mean, they are charting at

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number 13 halfway across the world, while back

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home they are stuck in the bubbling under waiting

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room. Is it just a matter of the American market

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moving on from their sound, or did the U .S.

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marketing team just drop the ball? It's likely

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a combination of both. The international markets

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were perhaps more receptive to Boy's Tulek Sekine,

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men's evolving sound at that exact moment, unburdened

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by the specific trends dominating American radio

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in the year 2000. That makes sense. Or... Perhaps

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Universal's marketing strategy in Australia was

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simply more effective at reaching the right ears.

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The Australian consumers clearly connected with

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Stockman's writing and production in a way that

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the broad American pop audience just did not.

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Right. It highlights how fragmented audiences

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can be and how a song's specific vibe might resonate

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with a completely different cultural landscape

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than the one it was born in. Okay, let's unpack

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this because everything we've talked about so

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far paints a picture of a song that genuinely

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struggled. Definitely. It's a commercial disappointment

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at home with nice, albeit confusing, silver lining

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overseas. But here is the biggest twist in the

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source material, and it completely upends the

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narrative we've been building. This is the best

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part. Despite... What's fascinating here is the

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massive juxtaposition between the industry establishment

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and the everyday consumers. It's night and day.

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Think about what this actually means in practice.

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The general public, the people buying CDs and

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calling into radio stations to request songs,

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largely ignore this track it couldn't crack the

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top 100 right but the voting members of the recording

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academy which is made up of professional musicians

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producers and audio engineers listened to this

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exact same song and singled it out as one of

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the very best vocal performances of the entire

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year i have to play devil's advocate for a second

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though go for it is this really a pure validation

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of the craft of the specific song? Or is it possible

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the Recording Academy just saw the name Boys

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to Second Men on a ballot and checked the box

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out of legacy habit? We see that happen a lot

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with award shows. It's a fair question, and legacy

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bias absolutely exists. But you have to consider

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the specific context of this track. Sean Stockman

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wrote and produced this entirely on his own.

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It wasn't a factory line hit, utilizing the trendy

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producers of the moment. That's true. The peers...

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in the academy. The people who actually know

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how difficult it is to engineer, arrange and

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produce a vocal harmony track were likely responding

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to the textual execution of the song itself.

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They are recognizing the architecture that Stockman

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built, even if the general public didn't want

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to buy the house. That distinction really highlights

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the difference between a song that is merely

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popular and a song that is technically or artistically

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excellent. Absolutely. It also reframes Universal's

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entire approach to the song. When you look at

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the release history, it's clear the label knew

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they had something of high quality on their hands,

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and they were relentless in trying to force the

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public to realize it. They really were. This

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was not a song they just dropped once and abandoned

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when it didn't immediately chart. The release

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history reads less like a standard marketing

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plan and more like a sustained siege over three

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months. Let's look at the timeline. Because it

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exposes the specific mechanics of how a major

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label tries to resuscitate a struggling track.

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It begins on July 11, 2000. That is the first

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impact date. And they specifically target rhythmic

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contemporary radio in the U .S. For those who

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might not know, Rhythmic Contemporary is essentially

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a format that blends upbeat R &amp;B, hip -hop, and

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dance music. Exactly. It's aimed at a younger,

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club -going demographic. So they are starting

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with the core demographic. They are testing the

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waters where Boyz II Men has the strongest historical

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base. Precisely. They are hoping for a grassroots

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groundswell. Then, over a month later, on August

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23, 2000, they pivot to physical media. releasing

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the CD single over in Japan. Which speaks to

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the global strategy we were talking about earlier

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with Australia and Europe. They are activating

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international markets while still trying to build

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momentum at home. Right. And then we get to September.

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Now it is two full months after the initial push

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to rhythmic radio. The grassroots groundswell

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didn't happen. Right. The song isn't taking off.

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So what does Universal do? They pivot completely.

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On September 11, 2000, they send the track to

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adult contemporary and hot adult contemporary

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radio in the U .S. Adult contemporary is a completely

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different world than rhythmic radio. Totally

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different. We're talking about the easy listening

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stations, the music you hear playing softly in

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doctor's offices or grocery stores, targeting

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an older demographic that wants smooth, inoffensive

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sounds. That September 11 pivot is the sound

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of a label refusing to give up. but changing

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their tactics entirely. They didn't get the traction

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they wanted with the younger R &amp;B -focused stations

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in July, so they regrouped and aimed at an older,

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more passive listening audience. It's a huge

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shift. And they didn't stop there. The very next

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day, September 12th, they pushed it to contemporary

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hit radio, which is basically mainstream top

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40 pop radio. Wow. You can almost picture the

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label executives sweating in a boardroom, just

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throwing darts at different radio formats, hoping

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one of them finally sticks. Just trying anything.

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They staggered this release across multiple distinctly

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different formats over a quarter of a year, trying

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to find any entry point into the American mainstream.

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And they were putting real tangible resources

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behind the packaging and the physical extras,

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too. They didn't just send out an audio file

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to radio DJs. There was a full music video directed

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by Darren Grant. And the physical media, specifically

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the European CD single, shows how labels used

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to manipulate sales and incentivize fans. The

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track list on this European release is wild.

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You have to remember the landscape of physical

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CD singles in the year 2000. Yeah. You are asking

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a consumer to go to a store and spend a few dollars

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on a piece of plastic that holds just one or

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two songs. You had to give them the compelling

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reason to buy the disc instead of just waiting

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to hear the song on the radio. So on this European

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release, track one is the 3 .59 radio edit we

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talked about. But then track two is a song called

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Darling. Track four is the instrumental version

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of Pass You By, which is actually great if you

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want to strip away the vocals and really hear

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the specific production work Sean Stockman did.

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Oh, for sure. But track three is this mysterious

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B -side called Rose in a Honeycomb. And what

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is so funny about our source material, the Wikipedia

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ecosystem, is that Rose in a Honeycomb doesn't

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even have its own page. It doesn't. It is actually.

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just an alternative search redirect that sends

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you right back to the Pass You By article. It

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acts as a digital ghost. It exists purely as

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a footnote on the track list of a European CD

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single for a song that didn't even chart in the

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US Hot 100. It's so strange. But for the hardcore

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fans who bought that physical disc, that B -side

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was a tangible exclusive piece of the Nathan

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Michael Shanwanya era. Right. By including unreleased

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tracks like Darlin' and Rose and a Honeycomb,

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Universal was trying to juice the sales numbers,

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hoping the diehard fans would buy the single

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just for the exclusive content, which would in

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turn push Pass You By higher up the charts. Which

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is pretty clever. It all adds to the complex

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texture of how this specific piece of music was

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packaged, marketed, and sold around the world.

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So what does this all mean? We have looked at

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the precise dates, the radio formats, the geographic

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chart positions, and the industry awards. It

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covered a lot of ground. When you put it all

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together, Pass You By is an absolute masterclass

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in the complexities of the music industry. You

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have a scenario where a song can be written and

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produced entirely by a single member of a legendary

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quartet. It can be aggressively pushed to four

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distinctly different types of radio stations

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over three months. It can completely flop on

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the main charts in its home country. It can then

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turn around and become a legitimate top 20 hit

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in Australia. And then the Grammy. Right. After

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all of that commercial confusion and boardroom

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panic, it can still secure a Grammy nomination

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from the most critical, discerning ears in the

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business. I think the most important takeaway

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for you. listening to this is to remember that

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success is rarely a single flat metric. No, it

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rarely is. We are so heavily conditioned to look

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at the top of a billboard chart or the highest

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sales numbers or the most likes on a post and

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equate that with the ultimate value of a piece

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of work. Exactly. But just like in your own career

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or your own personal projects, a lack of mainstream

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or immediate commercial success does not automatically

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invalidate the quality of what you produce. The

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peer recognition The respect of the people who

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actually know how hard the work is to execute

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often tells a truer, deeper story than the raw

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sales data. That's so true. Sean Stockman's production

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did not connect with the broad U .S. Hot 100

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audience, but the Recording Academy heard the

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excellence in the architecture he built. It really

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makes you appreciate the unyielding hustle behind

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the scenes, too. Knowing that Universal kept

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pushing it month after month, format after format,

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knowing the group kept filming videos and releasing

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international CD singles packed with B -sides.

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They really pushed it. They believed in the art,

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even when the initial numbers were screaming

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at them to give up and move on to the next track.

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And this raises an important question, one that

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I want you to mull over long after we wrap up

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this deep dive. Okay, let's hear it. If a piece

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of art is celebrated as one of the best of the

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entire year by industry experts, but it is completely

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rejected by the mainstream consumers it was so

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heavily marketed to, who is the true arbiter

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of its quality? Does commercial failure invalidate

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artistic success, or does it just mean the marketing

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team completely missed its target? That's a great

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thought to leave on. It is attention that exists

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in every single creative field. And pass you

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by remains the perfect, fascinating embodiment

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of that mystery. The numbers never tell the whole

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story. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.

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Keep asking questions, and we'll see you next

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time.
