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Welcome to today's Deep Dive. We are jumping

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right into a single really fascinating source

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today. Oh, that's a great one. Yeah, we're looking

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at a Wikipedia article detailing the life of

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an American actor and comedian named Rags Ragland.

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Rags Ragland. Exactly. And, you know, we're pulling

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back the curtain on a name that, well, might

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not be on the tip of your tongue right now. Probably

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isn't. Right. But it is absolutely essential

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to the history of modern entertainment. It really

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is a remarkable life to unpack. I mean, we are

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looking at a forgotten comedy heavyweight here.

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Definitely. And this journey touches on nearly

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every major shift in early 20th century show

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business. The dramatic arc here is just wild.

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We are talking about a guy who started out throwing

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punches as a boxer in Kentucky. Right. hustled

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his way into becoming the undisputed king of

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the rowdy burlesque scene. Then he rubbed shoulders

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on these epic benders with Orson Welles. Yeah,

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that part is crazy. And ultimately, he inspired

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one of the most moving real -life tributes from

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a legendary A -list star that you'll ever hear.

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If we connect this to the bigger picture... You

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know, to give you some context, this isn't just

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a biography. No, not at all. It's a study of

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how a performer navigates massive tectonic shifts,

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going from live, chaotic, totally unregulated

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stage shows. Which burlesque definitely was.

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Exactly. Moving from that to the polished, highly

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controlled environment of the silver screen.

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And underneath all the laughs, it is a profound

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look at genuine loyalty in the famously cutthroat

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world of show business. So let's start at the

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beginning. Long before the Hollywood lights.

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He was born on August 23rd, 1905. In Louisville,

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Kentucky. Right. Louisville. Yeah. And his given

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name is quite a mouthful. Oh, yeah. John Lee

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Morgan Beauregard Ragland. That is a name. He

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was born to parents Adam Joseph Ragland and Stella

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Petty. And, you know, that name sounds like a

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Southern aristocrat, but his actual youth was

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incredibly gritty. Far from aristocratic, yeah.

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He wasn't spending his teenage years in acting

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conservatories studying the classics or anything.

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No. He was working class to his core. He was

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out there working as a truck driver, a movie

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projectionist, and even a boxer. Which is such

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a wild resume for a future MGM star. It really

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is. And you can almost see the foundation of

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his incredibly physical comedy forming right

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there. Oh, absolutely. I mean, someone taking

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punches in a boxing ring is learning timing,

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spatial awareness, and how to read an opponent.

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Or later on, an audience. Exactly. Taking a punch

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and delivering a punchline rely on a surprisingly

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similar rhythm. That makes total sense. You have

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to know exactly when to strike. He was living

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a very fast, very full life from a remarkably

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young age. He really packed a lot of life into

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those early years. He had this brief first marriage

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to a woman named Sabina Elizabeth Vanover. They

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had a son together, John Griffin Ragland, who

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was born in 1925 and actually lives until 1990.

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Wow. But the marriage itself didn't last long

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at all. They divorced in 1926. So by the following

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year, at the age of just 22. Still so young.

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Right. He completely uproots his life, packs

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his bags and moves out to Los Angeles. What's

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fascinating here is how he eventually finds his

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true stage because he doesn't just show up in

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Los Angeles and immediately become some polished

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member of the Hollywood elite. No, not at all.

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His reputation is forged in the gritty, unpredictable,

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and highly competitive world of classic burlesque.

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Which was huge back then. Huge. And he works

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his way up through the ranks to achieve top banana

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status at Minsky's. For those of you who aren't

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totally steeped in theater history, Minsky's

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was the absolute apex of the burlesque era. The

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very top. It was rowdy, it was loud, and it was

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completely unfiltered. And being the top banana

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meant you were the undisputed headliner. You

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were the guy. You were the lead comic who anchored

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the entire show. The guy who commanded the room

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when the audience was, let's just say, easily

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distracted. It is the apex predator position

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of stage comedy at that time. That's a great

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way to put it. I mean, you have to be louder,

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faster, and funnier than whatever else is happening

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on stage. And in burlesque, there was always

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something visually distracting happening. Right.

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His specific brand of comedy was just wild. He

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became known for these completely unscripted

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ad libs. Total chaos. He would orchestrate these

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totally unpredictable intrusions into other comics

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acts. He'd just walk out in the middle of someone

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else's set and derail the entire thing. In the

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funniest way possible, of course. Exactly. And

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the material also mentions he had a rather healthy

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offstage libido to match that chaotic high. high

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energy onstage persona. Pulling off that kind

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of intrusive, disruptive comedy requires massive

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confidence. Oh, I can't even imagine. If you

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walk into another comedian set and the joke falls

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flat, you've ruined the show. You're done. But

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if you have the timing Ragland had, you become

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a legend among your peers. And that peer validation

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is the true test. Yeah, that's so true. It is

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one thing to make a rowdy audience laugh. Making

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the other performers in the wings laugh is an

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entirely different level of skill. And you see

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that respect in how his contemporaries talked

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about him long after the fact. Definitely. Georgia

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Southern, who was a massive star striptease performer

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at Minsky's, she wrote a memoir decades later

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in 1971. And she didn't just mention him in passing,

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she called him a close friend and definitively

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stated that he was the funniest comedian the

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Minsky's ever produced. Coming from a striptease

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star in that era, that is incredibly high praise.

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Absolutely. Because a burlesque comic's job is

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essentially to keep the audience entertained

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while they wait for the main attraction. Right.

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They're the filler. Exactly. So to be remembered

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by the main attraction as the funniest guy in

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the building means your talent is just undeniable.

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And it wasn't just the burlesque stars either.

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The legendary... Phil Silvers. Oh, Phil Silvers.

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Yeah. Who would go on to become his longtime

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performing partner and a huge television icon

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in his own right. Yeah. Famously referred to

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Ragland in his autobiography as my favorite comic.

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It really makes you think about the environments

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that force you to develop your sharpest skills.

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What do you mean? Well, it's rarely the quiet,

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perfectly structured classrooms. You know, it

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is the messy, chaotic, unstructured situations

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where you just have to think on your feet. Yeah.

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Trial by fire. Exactly. Raglan had to win over

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crowds that were actively drinking and yelling.

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He had to improvise constantly. That environment

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forged an improvisational brilliance that simply

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could not be taught in a traditional theater

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setting. Okay, let's unpack this next massive

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phase of his life, because the ground eventually

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falls completely out from under him. It really

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does. The golden age of classic burlesque doesn't

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last forever. No. Local crackdowns happen, cultural

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tastes shift, and the rowdy stages of places

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like Minsky's just go dark. It is a devastating

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industry shift. Sure. A massive percentage of

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performers from that era simply faded away into

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obscurity when the burlesque houses closed. Because

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what else could they do? Exactly. They didn't

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know how to do anything else. But Raglan refuses

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to fade. He successfully transitions to Broadway,

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and then he sets his sights on the silver screen.

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This is where his adaptability really shines.

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I mean, in Hollywood, he gets typecast, sure,

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but he makes it work beautifully. He leans into

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it. He became known for playing these good -natured

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oafs. His absolute signature quirk on film was

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this unique knack for just completely fracturing

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the English language. He takes the intimidating

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physical presence of a former boxer. Right. And

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the razor sharp comedic timing of a burlesque

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veteran and he softens it. He makes it palatable.

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Yes. He rounds off the rough edges to create

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this lovable, bumbling character that mainstream

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movie audiences, who were very different from

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burlesque audiences, could completely embrace.

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And he hits a massive milestone in 1941 when

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he becomes a Metro -Goldwyn -Mayer contract player.

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MGM. Yeah. MGM was the biggest, most prestigious

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studio in the world at the time. The absolute

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peak. He starts off there with a film called

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Ringside Maisie, playing a character named Vic.

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And that just kicks off a whole run of appearances

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in several MGM light comedies and musicals. You

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know, translating a live act to camera is notoriously

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difficult. Really? Why is that? Well, on stage,

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you play to the back of the room. Your gestures

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are huge. Right, you're projecting. But on camera,

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the lens is right in your face, catching every

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single micro expression. Plus, a camera doesn't

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laugh. Oh, wow. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.

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You have to deliver a punchline and hold for

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a laugh you can't even hear. The fact that a

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wild ad -libbing stage comic mastered that technical

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transition so seamlessly is incredibly impressive.

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That technical mastery leads directly to his

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career peak in Hollywood. He becomes wildly popular

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as Red Skelton's right -hand man in the Whistling

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movie series. Red Skelton, another legend. Exactly.

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We are talking about Whistling in the Dark in

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1941. Whistling in Dixie in 1942 and Whistling

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in Brooklyn in 1943. A great run of films. He

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plays this recurring character named Sylvester

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Conway. though sometimes he's called Lester or

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Chester Conway, depending on the film. And he

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is holding his own right alongside Red Skelton,

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who is arguably one of the greatest physical

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comedians of the 20th century. For sure. Raglan

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proved he wasn't just a flash in the pan. He

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was a reliable, bankable, comedic force within

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the rigid Hollywood studio system. He continued

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working steadily, and his final film appearance

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was in a 1946 drama called The Hoodlum Saint,

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where he played a character brilliantly named

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Fish Face. Fish Face, I love it. I love that.

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It's perfect. But you really have to marvel at

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the sheer panic of an industry dying overnight

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and then having the talent to take a raw, R -rated

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live act and turn it into something MGM executives

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could sell. to middle america it is the ultimate

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survival story in entertainment it really is

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i mean think about it if you're in that situation

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you either hold on to the past and go down with

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the ship or you mold your talents to fit the

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new reality raglan mastered the new reality but

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despite mastering that new reality the story

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takes a very dark turn here's where it gets really

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interesting and honestly Incredibly heartbreaking.

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Yeah, this part is tough. We are in the year

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1946. Ragland is riding high, but his lifestyle

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is really catching up to him. He returns from

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a trip to Mexico, and this was no relaxing vacation.

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No, it wasn't. He was returning from a massive

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alcoholic bender with Orson Welles. The timing

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makes this especially tragic. Because he was

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right on the precipice of a major live comeback.

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The Copacabana. Right. He was scheduled to revive

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his old New York nightclub act at the incredibly

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famous Copacabana. And he wasn't doing it alone.

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He was supposed to share the stage with his closest

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friend, Phil Silvers. It was poised to be this

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triumphant return to their roots. A huge deal.

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The stage is set. The hype is there. But a severe

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medical crisis strikes before they can even make

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it to opening night. Raglan starts experiencing

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intense abdominal pain. And it escalates so quickly

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that he has to be rushed to the hospital. The

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details from the hospital really highlight the

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elite circles he was moving in at this point.

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Oh, absolutely. While he is lying there, his

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good friend Frank Sinatra steps in to help. I

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like Sinatra. Sinatra uses his massive influence

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to call in a top medical specialist to try and

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save Raglan's life. But the damage is already

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done. The doctors examine him and determine that

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his liver and kidneys have been completely destroyed

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by years of heavy alcohol abuse. He is suffering

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from uremia. For context, uremia is essentially

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a severe toxic buildup in the blood. Right. When

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your kidneys completely fail, they can no longer

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filter waste products out of your system. It

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is a rapid and devastating systemic shutdown.

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Raglan slips into a coma, and on August 20, 1946,

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he passes away. So young. He was just three days

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shy of his 41st birthday. And right there by

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his hospital bed when he died were Phil Silvers

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and Frank Sinatra. Having two of the biggest

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stars of the era standing vigil at your deathbed

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speaks volumes about the profound personal impact

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he had on the people around him. His funeral

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was a massive event heavily attended by Hollywood

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celebrities. Frank Sinatra sang at the service,

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and Phil Silvers managed to deliver the eulogy

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for his best friend. I can't even imagine how

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hard that must have been. But the true tribute,

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the moment that is forever etched into show business

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history, happens in the aftermath at the Copacabana.

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This is a masterclass in professional loyalty.

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It really is. Because the Copacabana debut was

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still on the books. Phil Silvers had to make

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an impossible decision, though, you know, his

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hands were mostly tied. Right, the contract.

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He was bound by an ironclad contract that literally

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included a the show must go on clause. He was

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legally trapped. Wow. He had to walk out onto

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that stage and perform the very comedy act he

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had prepared to do with the man he had just buried.

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You can only imagine the dread Silvers must have

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felt. Terrifying. But Sinatra absolutely refuses

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to let Silvers face that room alone. Sinatra

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is currently in the middle of filming a movie

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called It Happened in Brooklyn. A huge production.

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Without hesitation, he walks off the movie set,

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drops all of his obligations, boards a flight

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to New York, and shows up completely unannounced

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to the Copacabana to take Raglan's spot. The

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shock in that room must have been palpable. I

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mean, the audience is expecting a solo, probably

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deeply depressing performance from a grieving

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Phil Silvers. Naturally. And instead, Frank Sinatra

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walks out. And they didn't just stand there and

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give a solemn speech either. They gave the audience

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a legendary performance. They really did. Sinatra

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and Silvers launched into the old rapid -fire

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comedy routines that they used to perform together

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during their USO tours. Those USO tours were

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grueling. Performers traveled to military bases

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to entertain the troops during the war. You had

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to be fast, funny, and engaging to keep the attention

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of thousands of exhausted soldiers. Because they

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had honed those routines in such high -pressure

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environments, the material was incredibly tight.

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They brought that exact same explosive energy

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to the Topa Cabana. By all accounts, they completely

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rocked the house. Amazing. They brought the entire

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room to life, generating massive laughs in honor

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of their friend who should have been standing

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right there with them. But the contrast of what

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happens at the very end of the night is what

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makes this story so powerful. Gives me chills.

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The explosive comedy routines end. The room settles.

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A visibly crying Phil Silver steps up to the

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microphone. Yeah. He looks out at the crowd and

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simply says, may I take a bow for rags? He doesn't

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ask for applause. He doesn't ask. for a cheer.

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No. And the audience understands the assignment

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instantly. While Silver stands there weeping

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on stage, taking a bow for his favorite comic,

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the entire Copacabana responds with total, absolute

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pin drop silence. In an industry that is so often

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defined by massive egos, self -interest, and

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fleeting relationships, you have Frank Sinatra.

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risking the wrath of a major movie studio to

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fly across the country. Dropping everything.

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And you have Phil Silvers performing through

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unimaginable grief. That silent room in New York

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is the ultimate testament to the kind of man

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Rags Ragland was behind the curtain. So what

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does this all mean for you listening? We have

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followed an unbelievable trajectory today. We

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really have. From John Lee Morgan Beauregard

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Raglin, the working class truck driver and boxer

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in Kentucky, to the undisputed top banana ruling

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the chaotic stages of Minsky's burlesque. The

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king of the stage. We watched him completely

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reinvent his physical comedy to conquer the MGM

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studio system alongside Red Skelton. And we witnessed

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his tragic premature death at 40 a loss so deeply

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felt. that it literally stopped production in

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Hollywood and brought The Rock is Copacabana

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to a dead respectful halt. It is a phenomenal

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legacy. And looking back at his origins in those

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rowdy burlesque houses leaves a fascinating lingering

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question for you to mull over. Well, Raglan built

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his genius in an era of unrecorded chaos, relying

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on a trial and error process of wild ad libs

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where mistakes just vanish into the smoky air

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the moment they happened. Right. If you were

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starting out today in an era of absolute internet.

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permanence, where every messy early set is recorded

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on a smartphone and immortalized online, would

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that chaotic experimental environment he needed

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to become a genius even be allowed to exist?

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That's a great point. Or does the modern era

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crush that kind of raw development before it

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ever makes it to the silver screen? That is a

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phenomenal question, and it really shifts how

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you look at the polished performers we see today.

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You really have to wonder how many potential

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comedy legends never survive the harsh light

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of their first viral mistake. Thank you for joining

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us on this deep dive into the life of Rags Ragland.

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Keep seeking out the hidden stories behind the

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history you think you know. We will see you next

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time.
