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Welcome in. It is so great to have you here with

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us today for a brand new deep dive. Yeah, really

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glad you could join us. We have a... truly remarkable

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set of sources lined up for you we're primarily

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looking at a comprehensive wikipedia article

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detailing the life the career and just the the

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profound creative evolution of rachel eliza griffiths

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right and it's a fascinating evolution to look

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at it really is and we are bringing you this

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deep dive with a very specific mission in mind

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today we want to explore how a truly adaptable

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mind translates the human experience across entirely

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different mediums and you know more importantly

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what you can learn from her approach when it

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comes to processing life's absolute biggest,

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most overwhelming moments. Because to call Griffith

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just a writer would be, well, it'd be a massive

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understatement. Oh, absolutely. She is this true

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creative force, a poet, a novelist, a photographer,

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a visual artist, and a memoirist. That versatility

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is really the core of what we are looking at

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today. We aren't just tracing a bibliography

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or a timeline of publications. Right. It's bigger

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than that. Exactly. This deep dive is fundamentally

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about the intersection of art, resilience, and

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the sheer power of changing your lens, sometimes

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literally changing your lens when looking at

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the world. Yeah. When you examine her life, you

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see someone who absolutely refuses to be confined

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by a single mode of expression. If a feeling

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or a trauma or a memory is just too big for a

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poem, she picks up a camera. If it's too expansive

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for a photograph, she writes a novel. Okay, let's

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unpack this by going right back to the beginning

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to see where that kind of adaptable foundation

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actually comes from. So Rachel Eliza Griffiths

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was born in Washington, D .C. in December of

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1978. She's the eldest of four children, and

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the details of her parents' professions provide

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this really fascinating contrast that seems to

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inform, well, so much of what she does later

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on. It really does. Her mother, Michelle, was

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a community organizer and a former police officer,

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and her father, Norman, was an environmental

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lawyer. What's fascinating here is how that specific

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parental dynamic shapes an artist's worldview

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from day one. I mean, think about what those

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two distinct worlds represent. On one side, you

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have an environmental lawyer. That is a career

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built entirely on navigating complex legal structures,

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statutes, and systemic rules just to protect

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the physical world. It requires this highly analytical,

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rigid adherence to codes. Very structured. Exactly.

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Very structured. On the other side, you have

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a mother who spent her time as a police officer

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and a community organizer. That represents a

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deep, messy engagement with civic duty, grassroots

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human connection. Yeah, the on -the -ground stuff.

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The immediate, uncodified realities of a neighborhood's

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daily life. The dichotomy there is just striking.

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You have the rigid rules of law from her father

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and then the fluid human -centric realities of

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community organizing from her mother. Growing

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up in a household so deeply focused on societal

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structures and civic responsibility, it really

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seems to have given her this intimate understanding

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of how boundaries work. She learned the rules

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so well that she eventually figured out how to

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break almost every structural boundary in her

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own work. Yeah, she essentially takes... the

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idea of structure and completely bends it to

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her will. But the thing is, she didn't just start

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breaking rules immediately. No, not at all. She

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spent a long time mastering them first. Yeah,

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her educational background really reflects that

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deep commitment to mastering traditional structures.

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She graduated from St. Mark's High School, then

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went to the University of Delaware, where she

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earned both her undergraduate degree and her

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first master's degree. Then she pursued an MFA

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in creative writing from Sarah Lawrence College,

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which is... I mean, it's highly regarded in the

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literary world. And the source material highlights

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that she was awarded just a massive array of

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fellowships along the way. A really impressive

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list. We are talking about the Cave Canem Foundation,

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Kimbilio, the Millet Colony, the Vermont Studio

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Center, the Provincetown Fine Arts Work Center,

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the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, and Yaddo.

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And when you hear names like Yaddo or the Cage

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Canem Foundation, it is so important to understand

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what those spaces actually represent. They aren't

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just lines on a resume. No, not at all. These

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are the most prestigious, rigorous incubators

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for generational talent in the country. Cave

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Canem, for instance, is absolutely foundational

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for nurturing African -American poetic voices.

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While places like Yaddo have hosted some of the

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most consequential writers of the last century.

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Yeah. By being invited into these spaces, she

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was thoroughly establishing herself within the

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highest echelons of the literary establishment.

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Her work was appearing in The New Yorker, The

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Paris Review, The New York Times, Guernica. She

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built this formidable academic and institutional

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foundation. But rather than getting comfortable

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inside that very prestigious, very traditional

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literary bubble, she used it as a launch pad

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for something much more expansive. And that actually

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brings us to a core quote from Griffiths from

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an interview back in 2015. This quote really

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serves as the thesis for her entire career. She

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said, I like the fluidity each genre offers me

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spatially, emotionally, and creatively. I can

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take an idea, word fragment, or image and open

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it up across forms. The inclusion of the word

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spatially in that quote is so striking to me.

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Yeah, it really is. We usually think of writing

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as happening flatly on a page. You read left

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to right, top to bottom. But she sees a piece

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of art as a three -dimensional space. She looks

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at a fragment of a thought and asks a structural

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question. Does this belong in the tight, rhythmic

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stanza of a poem? Or does this belong physically

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inside the frame of a camera lens? It almost

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reminds me of someone who speaks multiple languages

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fluently. Like if you only speak English, there

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are certain concepts or jokes or emotions in

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other cultures that simply do not have a direct

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translation. Right. You just can't express them

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fully with the vocabulary you have. Griffiths

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realized early on that the human experience is

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way too complex for just one language. So she

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built a toolkit of different mediums, like a

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mechanic. If you only have a wrench, you can

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only fix certain problems. But she learned the

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language of poetry. She learned the language

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of photography. She even created a video interview

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series called Poets on Poetry. By building this

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massive multidisciplinary vocabulary, she ensured

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that she could articulate absolutely any emotional

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reality she encountered. It makes you wonder

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how often we get stuck in our own lives, simply

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because we are using the wrong medium to process

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a problem. I want you to think about this. When

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you face a complex problem or emotion at work

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or in life, Do you try to force it into your

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default way of thinking? Yeah, people do that

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all the time. People often try to talk their

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way out of a conflict. Well, maybe they need

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to write it down to see the pattern. Or we stare

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at a spreadsheet trying to find a creative solution

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when we should be drawing a map of the process.

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Griffith's approach shows us that sometimes the

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barrier to understanding isn't the problem itself.

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It is the medium we are defaulting to. Wow. Yeah.

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Her career provides the ultimate proof of why

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having those multiple mediums is so necessary.

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For a long time, she was primarily known for

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her incredible success in poetry. By 2011, she

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was featured in the first poetry issue of Oprah

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Winfrey's O Magazine. Huge deal. Massive. early

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collections like Miracle Arrhythmia and They're

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Quite a Distance were making serious waves. And

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her 2011 collection, Mule and Pear, won the inaugural

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Poetry Award from the Black Caucus of the American

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Library Association in 2012. That is a major

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recognition from a foundational institution.

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By the time her 2015 collection, Lighting the

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Shadow, became a finalist for multiple prizes,

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she had essentially conquered the poetry world.

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Here's where it gets really interesting. The

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pivot. Yes, the pivot. In 2020, she published

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a project called Seeing the Body. This was a

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profound departure from her previous work, and

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it emerged from a place of unimaginable, life

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-altering grief. In 2014, Griffiths lost her

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mother, the community organizer and former police

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officer we discussed earlier. Losing her mother

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fundamentally shifted Griffiths' creative output.

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She didn't just write a book of poems to process

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the loss. She paired her poetry with her own

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original photography. And the choice to bring

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in photography for that specific project carries

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immense thematic weight. The source notes that

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seeing the body explores memory, Black womanhood,

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the American landscape, and rebirth. But the

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deeper question is why blending visual and textual

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art is so uniquely effective for processing grief.

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Grief is an emotion that notoriously defies language.

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Words often feel incredibly hollow or insufficient

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when you are facing the absolute finality of

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losing a parent. They really do. By pairing poetry

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with photography, she anchors the abstract floating

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pain of loss into physical reality. A photograph

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captures a frozen moment in time. It is quite

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literally the ghost of a second that has passed.

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That perfectly mirrors what grief feels like.

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You are constantly looking at the ghosts of the

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past. A review in Guernica magazine captured

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the effect of that combination perfectly. They

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stated that the collection brings together poetry

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and photography to powerful effect, providing

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the reader with an experience that's both visually

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and emotionally arresting. Visually and emotionally

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arresting. Exactly. When a book arrests you,

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it stops you in your tracks. You turn the page

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and you aren't just reading about her loss, you

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are visually confronting it. The world recognized

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the sheer power of that hybrid approach immediately.

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The way she allowed her grief to dictate the

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medium rather than forcing her grief into the

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familiar box of standard poetry resonated on

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a massive scale. The accolades for seeing the

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body were staggering. It was selected as one

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of NPR's best books of 2020. It won the 2021

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Hurston Wright Legacy Award for Poetry and the

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2021 Patterson Poetry Prize. Just incredible.

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It was even nominated for a 2021 NAACP Image

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Award for Outstanding Literary Work in Poetry.

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A reviewer for the Los Angeles Review of Books

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called it a radiant and soulful collection. She

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managed to take the most devastating, disorienting

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moment of her life and translate it into a masterpiece

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just by expanding her artistic vocabulary. But

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as we see, where the mind is adaptable, and restless

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as hers. The boundaries of her canvas just keep

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expanding. When she realizes she can move between

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forms, she doesn't stop. No, she takes an entirely

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new leap in 2023. After establishing herself

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as a highly decorated poet, a visual artist,

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and a photographer, she steps into the world

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of fiction. A huge jump. She released her debut

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novel, Promise, which was published by Random

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House in the U .S. and John Murray in the U .K.

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We are talking about someone who had already

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achieved the highest possible honors in poetry,

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deciding to be a debut artist all over again

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with global publishing houses behind her. And

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the critical reception proved that her mastery

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translated to fiction just as well. Kirkus Reviews

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called it a stunning and evocative portrait of

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love, pride and survival. And the reviewer at

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The Times gave this incredibly visceral assessment,

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saying the novel is by turns enchanting and enraging.

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And it left me emotionally shattered. If we connect

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this to the bigger picture, we have to talk about

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the sheer creative stamina required for a shift

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of this magnitude. Moving from poetry to a novel

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isn't just a matter of typing more words on a

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page. It requires entirely different creative

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muscles. Right. It's a completely different discipline.

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Exactly. Poetry is the art of condensation. It

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is about distilling a massive emotion or complex

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image down to its absolute most potent essence.

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A brilliant poem can capture the feeling of a

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single sharp intake of breath. A novel, however,

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is the art of expansion. It requires vast world

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-building, intricate narrative pacing, complex

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character arcs, and an endurance that can sustain

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an emotional throughline over hundreds of pages.

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The fact that she could pivot from the condensed,

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highly visual world of poetry into the sprawling

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narrative endurance test of a novel and still

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leave critics emotionally shattered shows an

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unparalleled command of the human emotional engine.

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That toolkit just continues to grow. And all

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of those skills, the poetic condensation, the

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visual framing, the narrative expansion set the

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stage for what might be her most significant

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convergence of life, identity and art. We need

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to look at her personal identity and the major

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life changes that directly inform her latest

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work. Griffiths identifies as a queer black woman.

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And in 2021, she married the Indian born British

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American novelist Salman Rushdie. Right. They

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reside together in New York City. And in January

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of 2026, she published her memoir titled. the

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flower bearers. The shift to memoir is arguably

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the most vulnerable choice a writer can make.

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In poetry, you can always hide behind the veil

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of a metaphor. In fiction, you can distribute

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your own pain or joy among invented characters.

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But a memoir strips all of that protective distance

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away. Exactly. You're presenting your lived reality

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directly to the reader. And the lived reality

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explored in this memoir is incredibly heavy.

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The Guardian described the book in a way that

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highlights its vast emotional range. They called

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it simultaneously a love story. a portrait of

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sisterhood, and a visceral depiction of violence,

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loss, and emotional devastation. The context

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for that violence and devastation is highly specific

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and globally known. As noted by the iPaper, the

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memoir offers a painful insight into the stabbing

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of her husband, Salman Rushdie, told entirely

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from her perspective. We are talking about an

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intensely public, shocking, and violent trauma,

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an event that generated endless global headlines,

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think pieces, and political commentary. But for

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Griffiths, this wasn't a news story. She experienced

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it intimately as a wife watching her family endure

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the unthinkable. This raises an important question,

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and we want to look at it strictly through the

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lens of art and emotional processing here. Absolutely.

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How does an artist survive and process an intensely

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public trauma? When the entire world is projecting

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their own social, political, or cultural narratives

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onto a violent event that happened to your own

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family, how do you keep from being swallowed

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by the noise? Yeah, how do you navigate that?

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For Griffiths, the answer is to return to the

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page. By writing a memoir, she actively reclaims

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her own narrative. She refuses to let the public

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or the press or the attacker define her experience

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or her husband's experience. She takes control

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of the story, framing a horrific act of violence

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within the context of her own profound truth.

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And as the reviews point out, her truth is ultimately

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a story of love and sisterhood. It is an act

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of supreme emotional defiance to answer that

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kind of visceral violence with a deliberate,

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slow and vulnerable work of art. So what does

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this all mean? When we zoom out and look at this

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entire projectory, from a young girl in Washington,

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D .C., absorbing the lessons of an environmental

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lawyer and a community organizer, to a celebrated

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poet mastering traditional forms. To a visual

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artist capturing the unspeakable grief of losing

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her mother. Right. to a debut novelist building

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expansive new worlds and finally to a memoirist

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processing unimaginably public trauma it means

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that her career is a living testament to art

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as the ultimate survival mechanism she didn't

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just make art for the sake of winning awards

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she made art to survive the crushing weight of

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being alive when a feeling or a trauma was too

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heavy to carry on her own she built a new creative

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form to hold it for her that is the synthesis

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of her entire journey Rachel Eliza Griffiths

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demonstrates the profound power of never letting

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your tools limit your expression. She never let

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a specific genre dictate what she was allowed

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to feel or how she was allowed to heal. If the

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genre didn't work for the season of life she

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was in, she found a new one. And that is a perspective

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that translates far beyond the literary world.

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Whether you are prepping for a meeting, trying

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to communicate a difficult truth to a partner,

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navigating a complex crisis at work, or just

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trying to make sense of an increasingly chaotic

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world, having multiple genres of thought is invaluable.

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Do not let your default setting trap you into

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thinking there is only one way to look at a problem.

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We want to leave you with a final lingering thought

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today. Something to mull over on your own after

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this deep dive ends. Think about the most defining,

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perhaps the most difficult moment of your life.

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If you had to capture it, what medium would you

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choose right now? If you usually rely on words

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to explain yourself, what would that moment look

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like if you could only express it as a single

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photograph without a caption? Try translating

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your own experience into an entirely new form

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today and see what hidden truths you discover

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about yourself. You might be surprised by the

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clarity you find when you just change the lens.

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Thank you so much for joining us and exploring

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this incredible life with us today. It's been

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a privilege to sift through these sources and

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share this journey with you. Take care of yourself,

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try exploring a new medium today, and we'll see

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you next time.
