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Welcome to the Deep Dive. Yeah. I am so thrilled

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you are joining us today. Yeah, it is a really

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great one. Because we're going to look at something

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that functions almost like a, well, like a hidden

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gem or a historical detective story, if you will.

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Right. If you want to understand how modern Hollywood

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monopolies were built, you really have to look

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at the blueprints from the 1920s. Exactly. And

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today, our mission is focused on just a single

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Wikipedia article. It's a stub, really. Just

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a tiny, easily overlooked corner of the internet

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about a company called the Producers Distributing

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Corporation. It is a remarkable little document

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because on the surface, you are reading what

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appears to be a dry corporate summary of a Hollywood

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distribution company that existed for barely

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three years, just from 1924 to 1927. A blip.

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A total blip. But when you slow down and read

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between the lines, the scope of what was happening

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in those three years is staggering. That short

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window is an... absolute masterclass in 1920s

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corporate strategy. You have a cast of legendary

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historical titans colliding in the boardroom.

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We're talking founders of major studios, political

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patriarchs, and tech innovators. And on top of

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all that, by the time we get to the end of our

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source material today, the text offers this incredibly

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haunting look at the fragility of art itself.

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So to you listening, pull up a chair and get

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comfortable. The roaring 20s in Hollywood was

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a time of unimaginable wealth, massive egos and

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cutthroat business tactics. And PDC, despite

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its short lifespan, was operating right at the

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epicenter of that chaos. It really is a perfect

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encapsulation of the era. So let's start at the

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very beginning and set the stage. The origins

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of PDC go back to a man named William Wadsworth

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Hodkinson. A major player. Right. The text notes

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that Hodkinson was a true film pioneer. He actually

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founded Paramount Pictures back in 1912. Which

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is incredible. That is a massive monumental credential

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in the film industry. But the text jumps forward

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a dozen years to late 1924 and things are not

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looking so great for him. He has this struggling

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distribution company that he desperately needs

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to offload. Which serves as a brilliant reminder

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of how incredibly volatile the early film industry

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was. You could be the visionary mastermind who

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founds Paramount in 1912 and a mere 12 years

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later, you are scrambling to sell off the struggling

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parts of your portfolio just to stay afloat.

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Yeah, it's wild. The landscape was shifting beneath

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their feet almost daily. I mean, the medium was

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so new and the business models were completely

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untested. OK, let's unpack this because Hodgkinson

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clearly needs. the lifeline here. He has this

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distressed asset. Who actually steps in to buy

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it? This is where the story takes a sharp left

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turn. The buyer is a man named Jeremiah Milbank,

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and the source provides a very specific and very

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telling description of Milbank. Tell me. It quotes

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a biography of Cecil B. DeMille describing Milbank

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neutrally as a wealthy, extremely religious,

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and politically conservative financier. Which

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completely flips the script on what you'd expect

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for a Hollywood bailout. Complete. Keep that

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austere image in your head. You have a wealthy,

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conservative, highly religious financier entering

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the 1920s film industry, which was essentially

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viewed by much of the country at the time as

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a den of sin and debauchery. Right. A total moral

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panic. And his very next move makes the situation

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even more baffling. What's fascinating here is

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the sheer contrast of the partnership he forms.

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You have Milbank representing this traditional

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conservative wealth joining forces with the legendary

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film director Cecil B. DeMille. The master of

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the epic. Exactly. Milbank buys the company,

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renames it Producers Distributing Corporation,

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and installs DeMille as the primary talent. It

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is the ultimate odd couple. You have the strict

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financier holding the purse strings and the poster

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child for Hollywood excess and spectacle directing

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the actual product. I would love to have been

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a fly on the wall for those boardroom dynamics.

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It's a purely pragmatic alliance. Milbank brings

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the cash and DeMille brings the flash. Very well

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put. And speaking of cash, the text tells us

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exactly where a big chunk of Milbank's money

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went. They needed a physical footprint, so they

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purchased the former Thomas H. Ince Culver Studios.

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A legendary piece of Hollywood real estate. But

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this wasn't just a collection of standard sound

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stages and warehouses. No, it was not. The source

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explicitly mentions an architectural quirk about

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this property that requires a moment of reflection.

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The main administrative building of this Culver

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City studio was a replica of Mount Vernon. George

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Washington's estate. George Washington's estate.

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A full -blown replica. The text even notes that

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this exact mansion at Culver Studios later became

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the famous logo for Selznick International Pictures.

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So if you've ever seen the opening of the movie

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Gone with the Wind. Which everyone has. Right.

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You've seen this building. I want you, the listener,

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to just imagine the sheer vanity and logistics

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of this for a second. Put yourself in 1920s California.

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You are surrounded by orange groves and dust.

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And suddenly, boom, there is a massive replica

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of a presidential mansion. Built specifically

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so you have a fancy administrative building to

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shoot movies behind. The amount of money and

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ego required to construct that is staggering.

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It perfectly captures the mindset of the era.

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These early studio heads weren't just making

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entertainment, they were building empires. Yeah,

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they wanted to be taken seriously. Exactly. The

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film industry was still fighting for cultural

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legitimacy. They wanted the gravitas and the

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authority of American history, so they simply

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bought a replica of it and set up shop inside.

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Just incredible. But as we see in the text, having

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a majestic building doesn't protect you from

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the sharks circling in the water. It certainly

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does not. Which brings us to the next phase of

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PDC's incredibly short life. Because their independence

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under Milbank and DeMille didn't last long at

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all. What unfolds in the text is a dizzying sequence

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of corporate mergers between 1927 and 1931. It

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reads like the ultimate game of Hollywood Monopoly.

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We really need to walk through this timeline

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carefully because these aren't just random business

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transactions. There is a very deliberate, aggressive

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strategy playing out across the industry. Okay,

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take it away. It starts in March 1927. PDC, despite

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having the powerhouse talent of DeMille and their

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Mount Vernon replica, merges with the small Pathé

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Exchange studio. And through this specific merger,

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they fall under the control of a theater chain

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called the Keith Albee Orpheum Chain, or KAO.

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That move... Makes strategic sense from a business

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perspective. We are talking about vertical integration.

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For anyone unfamiliar with the term vertical

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integration in this era, man, they didn't just

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make the movies. They owned the physical buildings

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where you had to go to watch them. Exactly. They

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owned the entire pipeline from the camera to

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the ticket booth, control the distribution, control

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the market. Right. But the chessboard flips again

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almost immediately. We move to early 1928 and

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a massive historical figure enters the picture.

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The patriarch of the Kennedy political dynasty

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himself. Joseph P. Kennedy. At this time, the

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text notes he is the owner of the Film Booking

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Offices of America, or the FBO studio. And Kennedy

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swoops in and takes control of that K -A -O theater

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chain. He is aggressively aggregating power.

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So now Kennedy controls his own studio, FBO.

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He controls the massive K -A -O theater chain.

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Wow. And because K -A -O swallowed Pathé, which

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swallowed PDC, Kennedy now holds all of PDC's

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assets. Including that Culver City studio and

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the Mount Vernon replica, he is building a fortress.

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Here's where it gets really interesting. Because

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you would logically think Kennedy is the end

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of the line. He has the monopoly. He's the big

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boss. But later that exact same year, another

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Titan steps onto the field. And this time he's

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not a Hollywood studio head. No, he is not. He's

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from the tech world. The text introduces David

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Sarnoff, the general manager of RCA. This is

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a brilliant pivot in the narrative. Sarnoff and

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RCA are not looking at this from the perspective

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of making better movies or telling better stories.

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They're looking at it from the perspective of

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pushing a brand new technology. The source material

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explains that Sarnoff was leading an effort to

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promote the RCA photophone. Which was a sound

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-on film system. We were talking of the dawn

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of the talkies. This is the transition away from

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playing a separate phonograph record alongside

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a silent film and actually printing the audio

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track directly onto the film strip itself. It

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was a revolutionary piece of hardware. RCA has

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invented this new sound system, but they face

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a massive hurdle. How do you get... thousands

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of independent movie theaters to buy and install

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your specific hardware when there are competing

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formats on the market. Right. They don't want

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to spend the cash. Theaters were naturally resistant

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to spending the money. So Sarnoff decides that

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if the theaters won't buy the tech voluntarily,

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he will buy the theaters and the studios himself

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and force the integration. That is so aggressive.

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RCA acquires and merges KAO and FBO. They smash

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Kennedy's entire empire together to create a

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brand new entity. RKO Radio Pictures. Let's just

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pause and think about the mechanics of that move.

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I really want to point this out to you because

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it is wild to see how history repeats itself.

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This 1920s corporate maneuver perfectly mirrors

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the strategies modern tech companies use today.

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Oh, absolutely. Think about it. When a massive

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tech giant today wants to push their new streaming

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platform or sell their new tablet or get you

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to adopt their virtual reality headset. What

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do they do? They buy the content. Exactly. They

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go out and buy a legacy media studio. They buy

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the James Bond franchise or the rights to massive

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film libraries. They aren't doing it because

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they love cinema. They are buying the content

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to force you into their distribution pipeline.

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RCA was executing this exact playbook 100 years

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ago with RKO. Sarnoff realized a fundamental

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truth of the media business. Content is the Trojan

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horse for hardware. If you want to win a format

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war, you don't just advertise the tech, you own

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the exclusive rights to the movies people want

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to see. It is a masterful, utterly ruthless piece

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of corporate strategy. It really is. But wait,

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we have to look at where this leaves Joseph P.

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Kennedy. The text notes that during this massive

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RCA buyout, Kennedy actually retained control

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of Pathé, meaning he managed to keep his hands

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on PDC's old assets, including that Culver City

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studio. He held onto a very valuable piece of

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the pie while the rest of his empire was absorbed,

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but he didn't hold it for long. The article states

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that in January 1931, Kennedy finally sells Pathé

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to RKO, completely giving them the monopoly on

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those assets. And then he exits the film business.

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We're going to come back to that specific 1931

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exit in a moment because the timing of it is

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fascinating. But before we pivot from the boardroom

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to the actual movies themselves, we should probably

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do a quick bit of housekeeping for anyone trying

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to Google this company later. Always important

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to be precise when dealing with historical archives.

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According to the source, we must clarify that

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this producer's distributing corporation should

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definitely not be confused with the professional

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darts corporation. Which admittedly would be

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a very different kind of analysis. Extremely

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different. Also, the text notes, it is totally

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unrelated to a 1939 company organized by a man

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named Ben Judel, which confusingly had the exact

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same name before evolving into the Producers

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Releasing Corporation on Poverty Row. Right,

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the low budget guys? Yeah, that whole tier of

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low budget B -movie studios operating on the

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fringes of Hollywood. And finally, it has absolutely

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no connection to the Producers Distribution Agency

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founded in 2010. So just to be crystal clear,

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for the record, we are talking strictly about

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the 1920s, Mount Vernon -owning, DeMille -directed,

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RCA -acquired PDC. Thank you for clearing that

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up. The film industry is a crowded field of recycled

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acronyms. But I agree, it's time we shift our

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focus. We have spent this entire time dissecting

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the boardroom maneuvers, the financiers, the

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real estate, and the tech acquisitions. We need

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to look at the actual product. What about the

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art? This is where the tone of our source material

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takes a really sharp and frankly sobering turn.

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The Wikipedia article provides a filmography.

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A massive list of the film is released by PDC

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during that brief window between 1924 and 1927.

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And just reading the titles feels like stepping

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into a time machine. The titles alone evoke the

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entire atmosphere and aesthetic of 1920s cinema.

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Listen to some of these. You've got The Hoosier

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Schoolmaster. You've got The Siren of Seville.

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Hell's High Road. The Volga Boatman. Up in Mabel's

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room. And then, of course, the massive 1927 blockbuster,

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The King of Kings. You can practically picture

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the glowing marquees lighting up the night sky

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with these names. They are incredibly evocative.

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You have sweeping historical epics, high society

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scandals, comedies and westerns. It shows that

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PDC, despite its brief three year existence and

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constant corporate turmoil, was churning out

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a massive volume of popular entertainment. They

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were highly productive. So what does this all

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mean? We look at this long, vibrant list of titles,

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dozens and dozens of them. But as you read down

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the list in the source text, there is this repetitive,

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almost chilling annotation sitting right next

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to title after title. The word lost. Lost. Just

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completely gone. You read the list and the reality

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of it hits you like a ton of bricks. Another

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scandal from 1924 lost. Welcome Stranger lost.

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The Chorus Lady lost. Pals in Paradise lost.

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And we don't mean they're just missing from a

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streaming service or out of print on DVD. They

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are wiped from the face of the earth. And even

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the ones that aren't completely lost are hanging

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by a thread in the archives. The source notes

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that the 1925 film Madam Behave is listed as

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incomplete. The 1924 release of The Hoosier Schoolmaster

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has one reel missing. And then there's the 1926

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film Red Dice, where the text simply says, Trailer

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survives. Trailer survives. That phrase is so

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deeply sad to me. Think about the human effort

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behind that. You have an entire cast of crew,

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a director, lighting technicians, costume designers,

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set builders, months of labor and artistic expression,

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all reduced to a two -minute promotional clip

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that happened to survive by pure chance. This

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raises an important question about our relationship

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with media and preservation. We just spent the

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first half of this deep dive outlining the immense

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power and wealth surrounding PDC. Millions of

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dollars were changing hands. Huge studio lots

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were being bought and sold. Titans of industry

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like Kennedy and Sarnoff were fighting tooth

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and nail in boardrooms over these assets. Right.

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They built a literal replica of Mount Vernon

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to project their permanence and authority. The

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corporate infrastructure felt monolithic. It

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felt invincible. But the actual art, the physical

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celluloid human itself, it was incredibly fragile.

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Nitrate film is highly flammable and deteriorates

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quickly if not stored perfectly. Despite all

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that money, all that power and all those cutthroat

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business strategies, the vast majority of what

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they actually created simply vanished. It turned

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to dust in a vault somewhere or burned in a warehouse

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fire or was just thrown into a dumpster because

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no one at the time thought to save last year's

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commercial product. I really want you listening

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to this right now to think about the digital

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media you consume today. The photos on your phone,

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the videos you upload, the movies you stream

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on servers. We have this built -in assumption

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that it's all permanent. We assume that because

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it exists right now and because the companies

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hosting it are massive and wealthy, it will exist

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forever. But this PDC filmography is a stark

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historical reminder of how easily cultural history

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can just evaporate into thin air. It is a powerful

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lesson in impermanence. History shows us that

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culture is ephemeral unless it is actively and

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deliberately preserved. The business deals of

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Jeremiah Milbank and Joseph P. Kennedy are securely

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recorded in ledgers and history books. The corporate

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entity of RKO lived on for decades, but the art

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they financed the stories they told to the public

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is largely a ghost town. A ghost town filmography.

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That's exactly what it feels like. A list of

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phantoms. Let's recap this wild journey because

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we have covered a massive amount of ground from

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a very small source text. We started with PDC

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as a struggling side hustle from the guy who

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literally founded Paramount. Then it transforms

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into a Cecil B. DeMille powerhouse financed by

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a wealthy conservative millionaire who bought

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a fake presidential estate to shoot movies. Then

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it gets swept up in a massive wave of consolidation,

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becoming a pawn in RCA's aggressive, hostile

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rollout of sound on film technology. If we connect

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this to the bigger picture, PDC is a perfect

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microcosm of Hollywood's evolution. It only existed

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for a blink of an eye, just three years. But

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it was the connective tissue. It bridged the

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gap between the Wild West days of independent

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silent film pioneers and the massive vertically

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integrated tech driven studio system that defined

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the golden age of Hollywood. It really was the

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crucible where modern Hollywood was forged. But

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as we wrap up this deep dive, there was one final

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lingering thought from the source that I just

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cannot shake. I mentioned we would come back

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to Joseph P. Kennedy's exit. I want to leave

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you with this. The January 1931 sale. Exactly.

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The text clearly states that in January 1931,

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Kennedy abruptly cashed out. He sold Pathé to

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RKO, washed his hands of the whole thing, and

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completely left the film business. Think about

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the historical context of that date, January

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1931. The stock market had crashed in October

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1929. The world is plunging headfirst into the

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deepest, darkest depths of the Great Depression.

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Millions are losing everything. And Kennedy is

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sitting on a mountain of liquid cash from a massive

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Hollywood buyout. It just makes you wonder what

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exactly does a mastermind, a political patriarch

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like Joseph P. Kennedy pivot to next? He is armed

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with a vast fortune made from the ashes of PDC

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and the studio wars right at the dawn of the

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Great Depression. What does he do with all that

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concentrated power and capital while the rest

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of the country is reeling? The Wikipedia article

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ends right there. But the implications of that

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timeline are absolutely staggering when you think

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about the dynasty that followed. It is a brilliant

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thread to pull on. It shows how the history of

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a seemingly obscure three year film distributor

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can ripple out and touch the very fabric of American

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political history. It really does. And that is

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exactly why we love. doing this. Thank you so

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much for joining us on this deep dive. It has

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been an incredible journey from the birth of

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Paramount through the boardroom brawls of the

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1920s and down into the tragic vault of lost

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cinema. Keep your eyes open, keep wondering about

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the past, and always remember to keep questioning

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the history behind your entertainment. We'll

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catch you next time.
