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I want you to imagine, imagine something for

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a second. Picture a traveling salesman. Okay.

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We're in the late 19th century. He's out there

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on these dusty, unpaved roads in the American

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South, standing on the back of a wagon. Right.

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A classic setup. Yeah. And he's pedaling a literal

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snake oil cure. It's called Wizard Oil. Wizard

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Oil. Wizard Oil. And he's pitching to these crowds

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of farmers and townsfolk doing, you know, whatever

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it takes to capture their attention and just

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make a buck. Now, I want you to imagine that

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this exact same salesman with his little glass

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bottles of liniment is inadvertently laying the

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musical groundwork for rock and roll legends.

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People like Elvis Presley and Buddy Holly. I

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mean, it sounds like the plot of a bizarre alternate

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history novel, honestly. It really does. You

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have this itinerant medicine man who somehow

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bridges the gap between old world hymns and the

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birth of modern American popular music. But it

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is an absolutely true story. And it's entirely

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rooted in the incredible, messy way that culture

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evolves. Welcome to our deep dive. Today, our

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topic is a man named Charles Davis Tillman. He

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is widely recognized as the popularizer of the

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gospel song. We are pulling our source material

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today from a highly comprehensive Wikipedia article

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that details his fascinating life, his brilliant

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musical adaptations, and a legacy that has lasted

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well over a century. And it's a legacy that you

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have almost certainly heard, even if his name

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doesn't immediately ring a bell. His influence

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is basically baked into the DNA of American roots

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music. The mission for this deep dive is to explore

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how this one man's incredible knack for adopting

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and blending eclectic, multicultural sources

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essentially helped create the genre of Southern

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gospel. We get to see how his unique ear for

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a catchy tune just totally changed the landscape

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of American music. Let's unpack this because

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Tillman's origin story is so far removed from

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what you would expect from a musical pioneer.

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Yeah, you usually imagine a legendary composer,

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I don't know, studying in a conservatory or growing

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up solely steeped in high church music. Right.

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But Tillman's path was completely different.

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Let's set the stage for his early years. Charles

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Davis Tillman was born in 1861 in Tallassee,

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Alabama. He was the youngest son of a Baptist

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preacher, James Lafayette Tillman, and his wife

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Mary. Given that religious background, you might

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assume he went straight into the clergy or started

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writing hymns the moment he could hold a pen.

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But from our sources... That wasn't the case

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at all. Not at all. For 14 years leading up to

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about 1887, he was out there hustling in the

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secular world. Yeah. He painted houses to make

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ends meet. He sold sheet music for a company

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based in Raleigh, North Carolina. And as you

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mentioned in the intro, he peddled wizard oil.

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What exactly did peddling wizard oil entail back

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then? Because it sounds incredibly theatrical.

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Oh, it's the definition of theatrical. Patent

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medicine salesmen in the 1880s didn't just knock

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on doors. They put on entire shows. Wow. They

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would roll into a town square, draw a crowd with

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a song, maybe a joke or a banjo tune, and then

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launch into a highly persuasive pitch for their

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liniment. That 14 -year period of hustling is

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so crucial to understanding Tillman's later success.

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He wasn't just learning how to sell a product.

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He was learning how to read a crowd. He had to

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figure out in real time what captured an audience's

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attention and what kept them from just walking

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away. So he was learning the psychology of the

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masses. He was. When he finally pivoted to a

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career in music, he didn't approach it purely

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as a devout churchgoer. He approached it as a

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master marketer of melodies. He knew how to package

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an idea so that it would stick in a person's

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head long after the wagon rolled out of town.

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That pivot you mentioned happened in 1887. He

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decided to focus his career much more closely

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on his church and his undeniable musical talents.

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He started singing first tenor in a church male

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quartet. But he didn't stop at performance. He

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established his own church -related music publishing

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company right in Atlanta. That entrepreneurial

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spirit from his salesman days really shines through

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there. He realized that the real influence and

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frankly, the real living wasn't just in singing

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the songs, but in owning and distributing the

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material. He wanted to get his music into as

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many hands as possible. He ended up publishing

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22 songbooks over his lifetime. But to truly

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understand how he built this massive musical

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empire, we need to look at one specific afternoon

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in South Carolina. Let me pick a scene for you

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based on the source material. The year is 1889.

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Tillman is in Lexington, South Carolina, helping

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his father run a tent meeting. And for some context,

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tent meetings were massive social and spiritual

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events at the time. Entire communities, sometimes

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thousands of people, would gather under a huge

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canvas tent for days of preaching, socializing,

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and importantly, singing. It was the major entertainment

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and community event of the season. On this particular

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Sunday afternoon, Tillman's father lends their

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big meeting tent to an African -American group

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so they can hold their own singing meeting. Young

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Charles Tillman is hanging around the edges of

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the tent just listening. And he hears them singing

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a song called The Old Time Religion. According

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to the history, he is so struck by it that he

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frantically grabs a scrap of paper and scrawls

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down the words and the rudiments of the tune

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right there on the spot. What's fascinating here

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is the nuanced reality of this moment in musical

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history. The romanticized narrative could easily

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be that Tillman sort of... discovered this hidden

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song and graciously gave it to the world. But

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the historical record shows that Tillman didn't

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actually publish it first. I noticed that in

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the source. That honor goes to a man named G

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.D. Pike. Right. G .D. Pike had actually published

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a version of it back in 1873 in a book about

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the Jubilee Singers. So Tillman's real contribution

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wasn't pulling the song out of thin air. His

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contribution was an act of cultural adaptation

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and. Objectively speaking, cultural appropriation.

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He took this African -American spiritual, which

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had its own distinct rhythmic and cultural life,

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and adapted it specifically for the repertoire

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of white Southern churchgoers. How did he change

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it? Because it wasn't just a simple. copy -paste

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job from that scrap of paper to the hymnal, right?

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No. The source notes that the version Tillman

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published contained verses that weren't in Pike's

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earlier 1873 version. These extra lyrics might

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have accumulated over time through oral tradition

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in the African -American community, or Tillman

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might have augmented them himself. Right. But

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the most critical change was to the music itself.

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He gave the published tune a more mnemonic A

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mnemonic cadence. Break that down for us. It

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means he optimized the melody to make it stickier.

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He altered the rhythm and the melodic jumps to

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make it easier to remember and easier to sing

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along to on the very first try, even if you weren't

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a trained singer. He also arranged it into a

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standard SATB format. And SATB stands for soprano,

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alto, tenor, and bass. Correct. That's it. It's

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the standard four part harmony structure used

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in choirs and church congregations. By arranging

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it that way, he made it incredibly accessible

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for a standard church choir or just a family

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singing in their parlor. He tailored the product

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perfectly for his target market and his specific

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tweaks have characterized the song ever since.

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Later editors like Elmer Leon Jorgensen even

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formalized the first line to. Tis the old time

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religion to make it flow even better for that

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congregational singing culture. The ripple effect

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of that single scrap of paper is staggering.

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After Tillman published it to his market in 1891,

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the song exploded. It became so ingrained in

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Southern culture that it was known to Alvin York,

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the famous World War One hero from Tennessee.

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And that connection to Alvin York is what pushed

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the song onto a global stage. It ended up being

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featured prominently as the background song in

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the 1941 Academy Award winning. film Sergeant

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York. Oh, wow. Yeah. Suddenly, millions of people

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sitting in movie theaters across the country

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are listening to a tune that Tillman jotted down

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on a scrap of paper decades earlier. It goes

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even further than Hollywood. The driving, emotive

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gospel style that Tillman helped forge with songs

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like this became a direct influence on the pioneers

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of early rock and roll. Buddy Holly and Elvis

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Presley grew up immersed in the exact musical

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culture and church environments that Tillman

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synthesized and popularized. It is a perfect

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illustration of how a melody evolves. It passes

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from an African -American singing group to a

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salesman's scrap of paper to an Atlanta publishing

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house to a Hollywood blockbuster and eventually

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bleeds into the foundational rhythms of rock

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and roll. Which brings us to another massive

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hit of his from 1890 called Life's Railway to

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Heaven. It's also known by its first line, life

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is like a mountain railroad. This is such a fascinating

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example of a musical mashup before mashups were

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even a concept. Tillman was a master compiler.

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For this one, he took a hymn written by a Baptist

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preacher named M .E. Abbey, and he set it to

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music. But even Abbey's hymn was an adaptation.

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Right. Abbey had drawn his lyrics from an earlier

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poem called The Faithful Engineer, which was

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written by a man named William Shakespeare Hayes.

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So we have a secular poem adapted into a preacher's

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hymn, and then Tillman comes along and gives

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it the magic musical touch. And the list of artists

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who recorded this is a who's who of American

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roots music. Johnny Cash, the Carter family,

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Bill Monroe, the Oak Ridge Boys, Merle Haggard,

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Boxcar Willie, Tennessee, Ernie Ford. Yeah. The

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song is an. absolute standard. But musically,

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there is a technical detail here that I have

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to geek out about because it completely changes

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how you experience the song. When Tillman originally

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wrote the tune in 1890, he composed it in 34

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time. What does that mean for the listener? It

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means it was a waltz. It had a rhythmic pulse

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of one, two, three, one, two, three. It gives

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the song a lilting, almost swaying feel. But

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as the song traveled through the decades, it

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underwent a massive rhythmic shift. In 1959,

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Patsy Cline recorded a solo version of it, but

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she recorded it in 44 time. That changes it from

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a waltz to a march. One, two, three, four. You

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nailed it. It completely changes the driving

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feel of the song. Instead of a sway, it becomes

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a steady locomotive chug, which makes perfect

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sense for a song about a railroad. Her 44 version

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became incredibly widespread. It essentially

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overwrote the original sheet music and the public

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consciousness and became the new standard. The

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source mentions Willie Nelson got involved with

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that specific Patsy Cline recording later on.

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He did. Years later, Willie Nelson dubbed his

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own voice over Patsy Cline's 1959 recording to

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create a posthumous duet. And the 44 timing has

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stuck so firmly that when Brad Paisley performed

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the song as a guest on Garrison Kyler's A Prairie

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Home Companion in 2012, he used that exact 44

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rendition. Almost no one plays it as a waltz

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anymore. Here's where it gets really interesting,

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though, because... Life's Railway to Heaven is

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fundamentally a religious song. It's an allegory

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about staying on the righteous path, avoiding

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the curves and tunnels of sin to get to the afterlife.

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But that melody was just too infectious to stay

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confined to the church. The melody and the overarching

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theme of working class struggle jumped tracks

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entirely. It was adapted into a secular union

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anthem called Miner's Lifeguard. Labor organizers

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took a song about spiritual salvation and transformed

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it into a stark, urgent warning for coal miners

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about mine operators cheating them on the weighing

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scales. The refrain shifted from reaching the

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heavenly station to, union miners, work together,

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heed no operator's tale, keep your hand upon

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the dollar and your eye upon the scale. That

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adaptation highlights the sheer utility of a

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well -crafted melody. A great tune is just a

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vessel. It can carry a message of eternal salvation

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just as effectively as it can carry a message

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of organized labor solidarity. Tillman's musical

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architecture was structurally robust enough to

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survive these massive contextual and cultural

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shifts. He really was the ultimate musical curator

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of his time. He was constantly finding pieces

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of culture and putting them together in ways

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that just clicked. I want to look at another

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perfect example from our sources, the song I

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Am a Poor Wayfaring Stranger. One of the most

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haunting, enduring songs in the entire American

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catalog. Completely haunting. And again, Tillman

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didn't invent it out of thin air. How did he

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put this one together? He pulled lyrics from

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an 1858 publication called Bever's Christian

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Songster. Then he found additional stanzas from

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an 1882 book called Taylor's Revival Hymns and

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Plantation Melodies. He took all those lyrical

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elements and paired them with a minor key tune

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that had various African -American and Appalachian

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nuances. The source mentions that before Tillman

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got his hands on it, the tune was mostly known

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within the sacred harp shape note singing tradition.

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What exactly is shape note singing? That is a

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brilliant piece of musical history. Shape note

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singing was a system developed to help everyday

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people read music without needing formal musical

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training. Instead of standard round notes on

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a staff, the note heads were printed in literal

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shapes, triangles, squares, circles, and diamonds.

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Each shape corresponded to a specific syllable,

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like fa, sol, la, mi. So a farmer or a blacksmith

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who couldn't read standard sheet music could

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open a hymnal, see a triangle, and immediately

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know what note to sing. Exactly. It completely

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democratized complex choral singing. So Wayfaring

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Stranger was floating around in that specific

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rural tradition. But Tillman recognized that

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the combination of those melancholy lyrics with

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that specific minor key melody was incredibly

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powerful. He put it in his revival songbook in

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1891 and standardizing it. And it spread like

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wildfire far beyond the shape note communities.

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The recorded history of this song proves his

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instincts were spot on. It has been recorded

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by Burl Ives, who loved it so much he used it

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as the title of his autobiography. Joan Baez,

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Dusty Springfield, Emmalou Harris, Peter, Paul,

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and Mary, even Jack White and the Mormon Tabernacle

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Choir have recorded it. That is an astonishing

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spectrum of musical acts for one song to support,

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from alternative rock to massive choral arrangements.

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The source material has a whole list of these

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fascinating song stories, and I want to make

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sure we give them their due because the sheer

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volume and variety of his work is impressive.

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Let's look at a song called My Mother's Bible.

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Ah, this one falls firmly into the category of

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a mother song. It's a highly sentimental, emotionally

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charged genre that was incredibly popular in

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the late 19th century. I was reading about how

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this one came together. It wasn't a long, arduous

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writing process. Tillman collaborated with an

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evangelist named Milan Williams. Williams had

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written the lyrics and wanted a melody. Apparently,

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the two of them sat down, and the entire song

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was completed in just a half hour. Which really

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speaks to Tillman's fluency in that musical language.

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He knew exactly what chords and melodic turns

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would evoke the nostalgia and tears that Williams

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was looking for. And despite being written so

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quickly and being highly sentimental, it was

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respected enough to end up in some very stately

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official hymnals, like the Broadman hymnal. Then

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there's a song called Ready. This one has a really

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interesting origin story involving a British

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movement. Yeah, Tillman found some British lyrics,

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five quatrains that were written in the Keswick

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hymn book tradition. For those of us not well

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versed in 19th century British theology, what

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is the Keswick tradition? The Keswick movement

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was a series of Christian gatherings in England

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that focused on the higher life. Essentially,

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a deep, intense focus on personal holiness and

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total spiritual dedication. The lyrics that came

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out of that movement were very solemn and introspective.

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So Tillman finds these solemn British lyrics.

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What does he do with them? Doing what he does

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best, he altered the words slightly to fit a

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more repetitive refrain structure, making them

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catchier. Then he wedded them to his own original

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tune. And his melody was so definitive, so perfectly

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suited to the message, that when the Southern

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Baptist Hymnal Committee eventually published

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it, they officially named the musical tune itself

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Tillman. Having a tune officially named after

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you in a major denominational hymnal is quite

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the legacy. But his influence wasn't just limited

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to the American South or even just America. I'm

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looking at the song when I get to the end of

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the way. Also known by its first line, the sands

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have been washed. This is the song that proved

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Tillman's music had massive international appeal.

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How did it make the jump overseas? It was heavily

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popularized by the Restoration Movement. The

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Restoration Movement was a push in the 19th century

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to unify all Christians by returning to what

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they viewed as the original, simple practices

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of the New Testament church. They used a very

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famous hymnal compiled by Elmer Leon Jorgensen

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called Great Songs of the Church. Tillman's song

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was included there, and because that movement

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spread internationally, the song crossed the

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ocean. It appeared in British hymnals and became

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a global staple, sung by legendary gospel figures

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like George Beverly Shea and Bill Gaither. We

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have this guy who started out selling snake oil

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off the back of a wagon, and now his songs are

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crossing oceans, defining genres, and being sung

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by global superstars. But what's really striking

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is that Tillman wasn't just a behind -the -scenes

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publisher sitting in a dusty office in Atlanta.

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He was a massive public figure in his own right.

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You could strongly argue he was one of the very

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first multimedia stars of gospel music. He was

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highly visible and highly sought after. The source

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points out a major event in 1893. At the World

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Convention of Christian Workers in Boston, Tillman

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actually served as the song leader. He replaced

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a man named Ira D. Sankey for that role. If you

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aren't familiar with 19th century church history,

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stepping in for Ira D. Sankey is monumental.

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Sankey was the musical associate for Dwight L.

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Moody. Right. To put that in perspective, Dwight

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L. Moody was essentially the Billy Graham of

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his era, the most famous evangelist in the world.

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That made Sankey one of the most famous musicians

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in the country. For Tillman to take the stage

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in Sankey's place meant he had reached the absolute

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pinnacle of that world. His influence reached

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directly into secular education as well. In 1927,

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he published something called the Assembly Book.

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The states of Georgia and South Carolina actually

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selected it to be the official musical score.

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used in their public school programs. Entire

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generations of children were learning to sing

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through Tillman's arrangements. And he didn't

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stop with print media or live tent meetings.

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As technology advanced in the 20th century, Tillman

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was right there on the cutting edge, adapting

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to the new mediums. He broke into radio incredibly

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early. He performed regularly on WSB 750 AM in

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Atlanta, which was a major broadcasting powerhouse

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at the time. He understood that radio was just

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a much larger version of the town square where

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he used to sell wizard oil. It was a way to reach

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thousands of people at once. In 1930, he went

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completely national. The NBC radio network gave

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him an hour -long broadcast. It was just him

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singing with his daughter accompanying him on

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the piano, beamed into living rooms across the

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country. He even went on to record music physically

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on Columbia Records. He fully embraced the new

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media landscape until he died in 1943. He spent

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most of his life in Georgia and Texas and is

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buried in Atlanta. But as we've discussed, his

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music just kept going. The monument at his grave

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actually bears selected lyrics from Life's Railway

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to Heaven, which is a profoundly fitting tribute

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to a man who spent his life mapping out these

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musical pathways for everyone else to follow.

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So what does this all mean? When we look back

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at the life of Charles Davis Tillman, what is

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the core lesson here for you, the listener? I

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think the big takeaway is that true innovation

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doesn't necessarily require inventing something

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entirely new out of thin air. Rarely does major

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cultural innovation happen in a vacuum. It's

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almost always a combination of existing elements.

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Tillman's absolute genius was the power of synthesis.

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It was his ability to keep his ears wide open

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to diverse perspectives. He could listen to an

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African -American spiritual at a South Carolina

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tent meeting, read a secular poem about a train

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engineer, or study a solemn British hymn and

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see the potential in all of them. He took those

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disparate pieces and combined them with the sheer

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marketing hustle he learned selling patent medicine

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on the dusty roads, all to share a good melody

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with the world. If we connect this to the bigger

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picture, it is a timeless principle. Whether

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we are talking about creating gospel music in

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the 1890s, launching a tech startup today, or

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producing modern pop music, the best innovators

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are almost always the best listeners. They're

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the ones paying attention to what is happening

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at the margins, recognizing the inherent value

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in it, and finding a structural way to translate

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it for a broader audience. Tillman didn't just

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write songs. He curated and packaged an entire

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cultural sound. He absolutely did. And that leaves

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us with a pretty fascinating thought to close

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on today. If a 19th century traveling salesman

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could inadvertently lay the groundwork for rock

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and roll simply by stopping to listen to a diverse

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group singing in a borrowed tent, what quiet,

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culturally blended scrap paper moments are happening

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right now out in the world that will define the

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music and the culture of the next hundred years?

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Keep your ears open. Thanks for joining us on

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this deep dive.
