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Welcome to the Deep Dive. We are really glad

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you're here today because our mission is to unpack

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a single, honestly, incredibly ubiquitous phrase.

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Yeah, it's a big one. It really is. It's a phrase

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that you have heard since you were a child, probably

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hardwired into your brain at this point. Well,

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absolutely. But you rarely stop to think about

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it as a functional piece of linguistic technology.

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And that phrase is, once upon a time. Right,

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because it operates as the ultimate scene setter.

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Just hearing those four words, it immediately

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changes your neurological expectations for what

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is about to happen next. It's a signal. The signal

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that you're departing from everyday reality.

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Exactly. So to figure out how those four words

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gain so much power, we are looking at a brilliantly

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comprehensive Wikipedia article today. Yeah.

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And this source, it details the history, the

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global translations, and the modern variants

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of this really iconic story starting phrase.

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It covers a lot of ground. It does. Okay, let's

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untack this. The history here goes back way further

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than the glossy fairy tale books you might have

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had on your shelf growing up. This... english

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stock phrase has been used in storytelling since

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at least the year 1380 which is an incredibly

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long lifespan for a specific arrangement of words

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language mutates constantly right yeah it evolves

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but this sequence survived the transition from

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middle english to early modern english almost

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entirely intact and by the year 1600 it had really

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become the standard narrative opener for english

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stories it was the undisputed champion of starting

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a tale And we have to establish the baseline

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here to understand how this spread across the

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globe, because Once Upon a Time became the absolute

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go -to English translation for bringing European

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fairy tales to the English -speaking world. Right,

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because the translators had a huge problem. Exactly.

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Translators were looking at Charles Perrault's

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French stories, which opened with Il était une

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fois, or Hans Christian Andersen's Danish tales,

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starting with Der Weihrauchgang. Or The Brothers

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Grimm with their German Es war einmal. Right.

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They all faced the same issue. They needed a

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recognizable brand for European folklore in the

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English market, and they universally defaulted

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to Once Upon a Time. It became the universal

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translator for that specific kind of narrative

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magic. And this is something I didn't know. These

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stories didn't always have those sunny, neatly

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tied up conclusions we expected. Yeah, they really

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didn't. Originally, the English phrase didn't

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pair up with happily ever after. Yeah. It was

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paired with happily until their deaths. What's

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fascinating here is how that subtle shift from

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until their deaths to ever after changes the

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entire psychological safety net of a fairy tale.

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How so? Well think about it. When you tell a

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child that the characters lived happily until

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their deaths, you are grounding the fantasy in

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the inescapable reality of the mortal world.

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You're reminding the listener that despite winning

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the battle or finding the treasure, mortality

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is still undefeated. It leaves this sort of lingering

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shadow over the victory. It really does. And

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shifting that to ever after removes mortality

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from the equation entirely. It elevates the characters

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from mere mortals who got lucky into eternal

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archetypes. They aren't just living out their

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biological lives anymore. Right. They are frozen

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in a state of permanent eternal happiness. It

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completely changes the psychological function

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of the story for the listener. It offers true

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escapism rather than just a temporary reprieve

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from medieval hardships. That makes total sense.

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Looking at these historical variations, there

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is a quote in our source from Joseph Jacobs.

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It's from his 1893 collection, More English Fairy

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Tales. Oh, the London Tramps variant. Yes. Jacobs

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noted that the opening formulas didn't typically

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have a lot of playful imagination in standard

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English, but he highlighted this highly unique

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variant used among London Tramps. They would

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open their stories by saying, Once upon a time

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and a very good time it was, though it wasn't

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in my time, nor in your time, nor in anyone else's

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time. That phrasing is almost poetic in its explicit

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denial of the present moment. I mean, I want

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you, the listener, to just imagine sitting around

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a fire, maybe under a bridge in London in the

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late 1800s, and hearing someone start a story

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like that. It instantly transports you out of

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your present reality. It acts as an overt declaration

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of boundary crossing. And consider the socioeconomic

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angle here. Marginalized people living in severe

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poverty, they need a much thicker wall between

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their harsh, freezing reality and the enclosed

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space of the narrative than, say, a bourgeois

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child sitting in a comfortable parlor. Right.

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The storyteller is aggressively insisting that

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the terrible present has no bearing on the world

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they are about to enter. Here's where it gets

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really interesting, though. If we step outside

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of the English language entirely, cultures all

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over the world signal the start or end of a story

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using deeply bizarre, surreal animal imagery.

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The animals are my favorite part of this. They

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are so weird. In Kazakh storytelling, they start

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with a phrase that directly translates to a long,

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long time ago when goat's wool was gray. And

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the source points out this actually carries the

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meaning of an absurd concept, basically meaning

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a long, long time ago when goats had feathers.

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Yeah, feathered goats. And then you have the

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traditional Korean opening, which is back when

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tigers used to smoke tobacco. I just. What is

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the mechanical purpose of bringing a smoking

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tiger or a feathered goat into the first five

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seconds of a story? It is a brilliant use of

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deliberate absurdity. When you hear about a feathered

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goat or a tiger lighting up a pipe, your brain

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experiences immediate cognitive dissonance. It's

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a structural signal to the listener that the

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normal rules of reality, logic, and biology are

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now officially suspended. You can't apply your

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everyday logic to the story anymore. Exactly,

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because we are already operating in a world where

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tigers are participating in anachronistic human

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habits. It forces you to drop your analytical

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defenses and just accept the ride. And the animals

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don't just start the stories. They abruptly end

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them, too. Like in Dutch, stories often conclude

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with a line, and then came an elephant with a

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very long snout, and it blew the story out. Which

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is a very literal metaphor. The story is a candle,

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and the elephant extinguishes the flame, plunging

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you back into the dark of the real world. Then

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in Icelandic, they wrap things up with, a cat

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in the bog put up his tail, and there ends the

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fairy tale. Right. But my absolute favorite,

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though, is the Bengali ending. The direct translation

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is, my story ends and the spinach is eaten by

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the goat. And I'm struggling to see the botanical

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connection here. Why does a goat eating spinach

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signify the end of a narrative arc? To understand

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that, you really have to look at agricultural

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reality. When a cow eats a plant, it grazes the

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top, leaving the root system intact so the plant

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can grow back. But when a goat eats an herb or

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a leafy green like spinach, it eats the root.

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It destroys the entire organism. So the spinach

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is irreversibly gone. There is no coming back

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from it. By saying the goat ate the spinach,

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the storyteller is telling you with absolute

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finality that the story has been entirely consumed.

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It's over. Don't ask what happens next to the

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hero or the villain because there is no root

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left for a sequel to grow from. That is a polite

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but incredibly firm way to tell the audience

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to stop asking questions and go to sleep. Definitely.

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And speaking of the audience, the source highlights

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how many cultures explicitly acknowledge the

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storyteller. and the listener, like three of

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us in this conversation, at the very end of a

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tale, they completely shatter the fourth wall.

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Well, storytelling wasn't originally a passive

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experience like watching a film in a dark theater.

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It was a communal, interactive event. The narrator

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and the audience were co -creating the atmosphere

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in the room. There's this beautiful tradition

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in Armenian and Turkish storytelling where the

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tale ends with three apples falling from the

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sky. And depending on who is telling the story,

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the three apples are divided up in different

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ways. Typically, one apple goes to the heroes

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of the story, one goes to the writer or storyteller,

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and the final apple falls to the listener. It

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creates a shared inheritance. The magic of the

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story isn't just kept by the fictional characters.

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It's physically distributed to the people in

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the room. It's a really lovely image. And in

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a preliterate oral tradition, Storyteller relied

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on the goodwill of the audience for survival,

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perhaps literally hoping for a meal or a place

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to sleep. Inserting themselves in the audience

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into the reward system of the story is a subtle

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psychological trick to bond the room together.

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Turkish storytelling really seems to be the gold

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standard for this kind of elaborate metanarrative.

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Just look at this traditional Turkish comedy

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opening. They start by saying once there was

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and once there wasn't. In the long distant days

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of yore, when haystacks winnowed sieves, when

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genies played jurid in the old bathhouse, when

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fleas were barbers, when camels were town triers,

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and when I softly rocked my baby grandmother

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to sleep in her creaking cradle. The sheer volume

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of imagery there is relentless. It is a massive

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tongue twister. Why overwhelm the listener with

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that barrage of rhyming word plays and bizarre

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situational juxtapositions right out of the gate?

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It's about cognitive load. By overwhelming the

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listener with paradoxes, rocking a baby grandmother,

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fleas acting as barbers, you disorient them.

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You overload their logical processing centers

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so thoroughly that they have no choice but to

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surrender to the whimsical stage you are setting.

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It makes them highly receptive to the actual

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plot that follows. If Turkish endings are whimsical,

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the traditional Irish ending is wildly specific

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and borderline hostile. Yes, the Irish endings

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are something else. The storyteller ends the

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tale by claiming they were actually inside the

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story. They say the characters went by the ford,

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but the storyteller took the stepping stones.

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The characters drowned, but the storyteller survived.

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And their reward for surviving. They were given

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paper shoes and fat milk. A completely nonsensical,

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useless reward for surviving a tragedy. Right.

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And then they turn to the listener and say, as

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I have this story today, may you have it 7 ,000

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times better tomorrow. Which sounds lovely. Until

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they add, may you only lose a pair of the incisors,

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buy it five of the grinders and a fine strip

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of the gum. Why would a storyteller casually

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wish severe dental trauma on their audience?

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If we connect this to the bigger picture. These

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elaborate openings and endings, whether they

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are wishing you lost teeth or giving you a metaphorical

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apple, reveal that these tales are deeply transactional.

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They acknowledge the pact between the speaker

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and the listener. The dental trauma is part of

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the pact. The Irish curse is a dark comedic warning

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about the weight of carrying a story. You see

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this transactional nature vividly in the Nepali

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tradition too. The narrator ends with a rhyme

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granting a golden garland to the listener. and

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a flower garland to the narrator, before explicitly

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promising that the story will go to heaven and

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come back fresh on the lips of the next narrator.

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They are handing the baton to the listener. You

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are no longer just an audience member. You are

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the next custodian of the story. They are actively

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trying to ensure the oral tradition survives

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the night. It is a medieval chain letter. Pass

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the story on or suffer the consequences. And

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the scale of these stories is massive, especially

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when you look at Eastern European cultures. Our

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source points out a fascinating use of geographic

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hyperbole to set the scene. In Czech, Slovak,

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Polish, and Estonian tales, they don't just say,

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a long time ago. They set the scene by saying

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the story takes place beyond nine mountain ranges,

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nine rivers, and nine woods. They are pushing

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the narrative into a completely unreachable geography.

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Consider the mental map of a 14th century peasant.

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If you have never left your village, the concept

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of crossing nine separate mountain ranges is

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effectively pushing the story into another dimension.

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It's the spatial equivalent of before time began.

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Hungary takes that spatial displacement even

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further. A Hungarian variant involves crossing

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seven countries, going through the Sea of Operencia,

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traversing the Glass Mountains, just to reach

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the place where the curly -tailed pig delves.

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The Sea of Apparencia is a brilliant cultural

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placeholder for the absolute edge of the known

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world. It accomplishes massive world -building

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in a single sentence, confirming that no one

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in the room could possibly travel to verify the

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events of the tale. And if you survive traveling

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past those glass mountains and the curly -tailed

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pig, your reward is usually a massive feast.

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Different cultures end their tales with very

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specific menus. In Spanish, the characters live

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happily and eat partridges. In Catalan, they

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eat candies. Which speaks directly to the caloric

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anxiety of the era. In a world plagued by frequent

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famine and food insecurity, the ultimate fantasy

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isn't necessarily eternal life or political power.

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It's simply a full stomach. The highest reward

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a storyteller could offer their characters was

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a guaranteed meal. The Lithuanian ending handles

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that feast in a very specific way. The storyteller

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inserts themselves into the celebration and claims

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they drank mead ale that dribbled through my

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beard, had not in my mouth. It's the ultimate

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tease. The storyteller gets to witness the feast,

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the drink spills on their face, but they don't

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actually get to taste the magic. It separates

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the narrator from the divine luck of the heroes,

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reminding the audience that both the storyteller

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and the listener are going to wake up hungry

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tomorrow. When they are talking about food. A

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lot of cultures resort to rhythmic nonsense to

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close the book. The pharaohs in Norwegian tales

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sign off with Snipsnapsnow or Snipsnapsnoot.

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Spanish tales use Colorin, Colorado, which essentially

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just means redhead red, but it rhymes perfectly

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with the word for finished. In classical Arabic,

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they close with Tutatuta, the story is over.

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The source notes that tuta literally means berry,

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but in this context, it has zero actual semantic

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meaning. It is used purely for the musical rhythm.

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These nonsense rhymes act as an auditory palate

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cleanser. Think about the neurological impact

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of rhythmic dissonance. When you are listening

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to a story, you enter a slight trance state.

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You really do. The sudden introduction of a bouncing

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phonetic closure like snip snap snout acts as

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a psychological grounding technique. It breaks

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the trance. It's the verbal equivalent of snapping

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your fingers to wake someone up from hypnosis,

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signaling that the narrative spell is broken.

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That brings us perfectly to the modern variant.

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section of the Wikipedia page. While we've been

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dissecting the 1380s London tramps and ancient

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Bengali roots, this mechanism isn't dead. Pop

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culture has taken this ancient architectural

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framework and evolved it to fit new mediums,

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and it is entirely relevant to the media you

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and I consume today. The core architecture of

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once upon a time is still actively holding up

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our biggest modern myths. Look at the biggest

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sci -fi franchise in the world. Star Wars opens

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with a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

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It is the exact same formula relying on the spatial

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displacement of the 14th century, just swapping

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out the nine mountains and nine rivers of Eastern

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Europe for a distant galaxy. George Lucas understood

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that to make a modern, cynical audience accept

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space wizards and laser swords, he couldn't rely

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on hard science fiction tropes. He needed to

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trigger that specific fairytale suspension of

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disbelief right at the opening frame. He used

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an ancient linguistic key to unlock a modern

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door. It is used heavily for satire and comedy,

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too. Mystery Science Theater 3000 opens with

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In the Not -Too -Distant Future next Sunday,

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A .D. The movie Scott Pilgrim vs. the World opens

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by saying, not so long ago, in the mysterious

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land of Toronto, Canada. By placing a mundane,

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highly documented location like Toronto into

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the grand, mythical framing of a mysterious land,

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you immediately signal to the audience that they

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are entering a heightened satirical reality.

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The juxtaposition does all the heavy lifting

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for the tone of the entire film. We see temporal

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displacement constantly in literature and music

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as well. Don McLean singing a long, long time

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ago to open American Pie or Charles Dickens kicking

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off A Tale of Two Cities with it was the best

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of times, it was the worst of times. The underlying

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psychology remains identical across all these

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mediums. The human brain craves a definitive,

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recognizable threshold to cross over into a narrative

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state. We need to be told precisely when to leave

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the real world. And just as importantly, with

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the elephants blowing out candles and cats and

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bogs, we need to be told when it is safe to come

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back. So what does this all mean? When we look

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at the scope of this information, it's clear

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that while you might think of Once Upon a Time

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as just a tired cliche printed in children's

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books, it's actually the tip of a massive, rich,

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global linguistic tradition. From Kazakh goats

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with feathers to Korean tigers smoking tobacco

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to three Armenian apples falling from the sky,

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humanity has spent centuries designing these

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elaborate sensory signals for one simple purpose,

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to spark our collective imagination and give

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us permission to dream. This raises an important

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question, though. We have tracked how Once Upon

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a Time evolved from the spoken fireside tales

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of the 1380s to the opening crawls of blockbuster

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sci -fi movies. It successfully adapted to fit

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printing presses and silver screens. But right

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now we're entering a totally new era of immersive

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virtual reality, spatial computing and AI generated

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narratives. As the medium shifts again, what

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bizarre brand new stock phrase or perhaps what

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new sensory signal will our culture invent next?

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What is going to be the once upon a time that

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tells the next generation of listeners that they

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are about to leave the physical world entirely

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behind? That is such a fascinating thought to

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leave on. The spatial computing equivalent of

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a smoking tiger might be a specific haptic feedback

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pulse, or a universal VR chime that triggers

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that same cognitive dissonance. We will have

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to wait and see. Thank you for taking this deep

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dive with us today. Keep asking questions, keep

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looking for those hidden architectural structures

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in the stories you love, and we will catch you

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next time.
