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Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today, we're strapping

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on our skates and heading right into the heart

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of what many consider the most grueling postseason

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in all of professional sports. Oh, absolutely.

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The NHL's Stanley Cup playoffs. Right. But we

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aren't here to talk about the championship teams

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today. We are looking specifically at the ultimate

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individual prize of that, you know, that two

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-month marathon. We're talking about the Conn

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Smythe Trophy. The hardest hardware to win in

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sports. Yeah, that's the one. Our mission today

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is to dissect exactly what it takes to be named

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the most valuable player of the NHL postseason.

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We're looking at the quirks, the history, and

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the evolution of what value actually means on

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the ice. And it really has evolved. It has. So

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whether you are a diehard hockey fan analyzing

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the historical trends or you're just intensely

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curious about how sports history is measured

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in its most extreme conditions, you are in the

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right place. Let's unpack this. Let's do it.

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Because we hear the term MVP all the time in

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sports, but the consmith is fundamentally different

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from how other major sports crown their playoff

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heroes. Oh, it's an entirely different beast.

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Yeah. I mean, if you look at the other. major

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North American sports leagues. Like the NFL?

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Yeah, the NFL with the Super Bowl MVP or the

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NBA Finals MVP or the World Series MVP. Those

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awards are almost entirely microscopic. They

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look at a player's performance in a single championship

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game or maybe a single short series. Just a snapshot.

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Exactly. Okay. But the Conn Smythe Trophy, much

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like the Babe Ruth Award in baseball, it demands

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a much wider lens. It is awarded to the most

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valuable player of his team, during the entire

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National Hockey League postseason. The entire

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thing? We are talking about a two -month grind,

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four rounds, potentially 28 games of high stakes,

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physically plenishing hockey. Yeah. You can't

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just have one good weekend in June to win this.

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You have to be consistently dominant from the

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opening puck drop in April all the way to the

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final horn. But let me push back on that a little

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bit because doesn't that massive two -month scope

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make it incredibly difficult to judge objectively?

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Oh, without a doubt. Members of the Professional

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Hockey Writers Association voting on this, and

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they literally finalized their tallies at the

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conclusion of the final game of the Stanley Cup

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final. It feels like human nature would inherently

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favor recency bias there. It's the ultimate trap

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for the voters. Right. Like if a player puts

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up 20 points in the first two rounds to drag

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his team out of the mud, but then goes quiet

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in the final while a teammate scores the cup

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-clinching goal. How do you weigh that? Yeah.

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How do voters accurately weigh those distant

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April contributions against a fresh emotional

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moment in June? That is the perpetual tension

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of the consmith. And it's a debate that plays

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out in the press box every single spring. The

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voters are tasked with balancing aggregate statistics

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against narrative weight. And the NHL actually

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leans into that dramatic tension. They really.

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The commissioner hands out the trophy right there

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on the ice before the Stanley Cup is even presented.

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Which is so unique. It is. Unlike the regular

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season awards where they announce three finalists

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at a summer gala and build up the suspense of

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the conspite, only the winner is announced. Boom.

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Right there on the ice in front of a screaming

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arena. Talk about pressure. And the NHL didn't

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even start releasing the actual vote tallies

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to the public until 2017. Which finally added

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a layer of accountability to how those writers

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were weighing the early rounds versus the final.

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Exactly. It creates a raw, unfiltered moment

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that you just don't really get anywhere else.

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And, you know, the physical trophy itself is

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just as unique as the voting process. When you

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picture a sports trophy, you usually think of

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a cup or maybe a bronze statue of a player. Right,

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something very classic. But the centerpiece of

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the Kahn Smythe is literally a stylized silver

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replica of an entire building. It's a model of

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Maple Leaf Gardens, backed by a massive, botanically

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accurate silver maple leaf. It's a gorgeous piece

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of hardware. It was introduced for the 1964 -1965

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NHL season by Maple Leaf Gardens. It honors Kahn

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Smyth, the former owner, GM and head coach of

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the Toronto Maple Leafs. And from a purely logistical

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standpoint, it's a living monument that has faced

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some fascinating physical challenges, hasn't

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it? Oh, definitely. Because trophies run out

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of real estate. Right. The Kahn Smyth base slopes

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outward with these maple leaf shaped plates bearing

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the inscriptions of the winners. Well, they filled

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up all 16 nameplates on the original bass tier

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after 1980. That just ran out of room. Yeah,

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and then they filled the second tier by 2000.

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They literally had to engage in a bit of Trophy

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Tetris. Trophy Tetris, I love that. They moved

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the first nine winner's plates up to the top

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foundation tier to keep everything chronological,

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and eventually had to expand the bass again in

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2010. It's a literal timeline of hockey history

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bolted to a wooden base. But what fascinates

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me is the irony built into that history. You

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just mentioned the trophy was donated by the

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parent company of the Toronto Maple Leafs to

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honor their legendary builder. Right. Yet in

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the entire history of the award, only one player

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from the Toronto Maple Leafs has ever won it.

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Just one. Dave Keon in 1967. Dave Keon. And how

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he won it completely challenges our modern perception

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of what an MVP looks like. It really does. Dave

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Keon recorded exactly eight points during that

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1967 playoff run. Eight points? Eight. To put

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that in perspective, that is the fewest points

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ever scored by a non -goaltender to win the Kahn

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-Smythe trophy. That is wild. Today, we almost

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exclusively associate playoff MVP honors with

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massive offensive production or... just stellar

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goaltending. But the writers in 67 recognized

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that Keon's value wasn't in filling the score

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sheet. It was in shutting down the opposing team's

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best players shift after shift. He was controlling

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the neutral zone and dictating the pace of the

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game without the puck. It was a pure recognition

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of defensive forward play that we rarely see

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rewarded at that level anymore. A completely

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different era of evaluation. Which is a perfect

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segue because just three years later, the definition

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of value violently swung in the exact opposite

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direction. direction. Oh, the pendulum swung

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hard. If Keon won it for quiet defensive mastery

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in 67, Bobby Orr won it in 1970 for completely

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breaking the geometry of the sport. He shattered

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it. Orr won the consmith that year, but he also

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won the Hart, the Art Ross. And the Norris. All

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in one year. Sweeping the playoff MVP, regular

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season MVP, the scoring title, and the best defenseman

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award in a single year. That isn't just a great

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season. That is a complete monopolization of

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the sport. It is arguably the greatest single

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season any individual has ever produced in team

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sports. Bobby Orr fundamentally altered what

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a defenseman was allowed to do on the ice. Before

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Orr, defensemen were largely expected to just

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protect the blue line and make the first pass.

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Exactly. Orr turned the position into an offensive

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engine. And he won the consmith again in 1972,

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making him the first player and still the only

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defenseman to win the award more than once. The

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only one. And both times he scored the cup -clenching

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goals for the Bruins. Guy Lafleur in 77 and Wayne

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Gretzky in 85 managed to replicate the playoff

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MVP, regular season MVP. and scoring title sweep.

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But Orr doing it for the blue line while also

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winning the Norris remains an untouched artifact

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of hockey history. It's just staggering. But

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even with the offensive dominance of guys like

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Orr and Gretzky, who also won it twice with Edmonton

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in 85 and 88, there is one position that has

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a unique stranglehold on a series. And that brings

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us to Patrick Roy. The ultimate game changer.

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When you look at the consmith, Roy didn't just

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win it, he defined the modern era of it. Patrick

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Roy's resume is entirely unmatched. He is the

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only player in NHL history to win the Conn Smythe

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Trophy three times. Three times. He won his first

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in 1986 with Montreal, his second in 1993 with

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Montreal, and his third in 2001 with the Colorado

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Avalanche. That means he's the only three -time

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winner, the only player to win it with two different

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franchises, and his wins span across three entirely

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different decades. Winning across three different

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decades is what really blows my mind. The NHL

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in 1986 was a completely different sport than

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the NHL in 2001. The 80s were defined by fire

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wagon, high -scoring hockey. By 2001, we were

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deep into the dead puck era where teams were

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trapping and clutching and grabbing. How does

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a goaltender maintain MVP -level value across

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such extreme stylistic shifts in the league?

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It comes down to his perfection of the butterfly

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style and just an unparalleled mental resilience.

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In 86, he was essentially a rookie riding a wave

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of youthful adrenaline. Right. By 93, he was

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an established star willing his team through

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a record 10 overtime victories. That was pure

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psychological warfare. Just breaking the will

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of the other team. Exactly. And by 2001, he was

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the veteran anchor for a loaded Colorado team.

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A goaltender has the ability to dictate the emotional

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temperature of a playoff series more than any

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skater. If a goalie is locked in, it demoralizes

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the opposing bench and gives his own team the

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freedom to take offensive risks. Roy understood

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that leverage better than anyone. Speaking of

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rookies and Montreal goaltenders, we have to

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talk about Ken Dryden because his sequence of

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awards makes absolutely no logical sense on paper.

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It's one of the best anomalies in sports. In

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1971, Dryden wins the Conn Smythe as the playoff

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MVP. The very next year, in 1972, he wins the

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Calder Trophy for Rookie of the Year. How exactly

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does a player become the most valuable player

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in the league's postseason before he is officially

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considered a rookie? It's a brilliant quirk of

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NHL eligibility rules. The Canadiens called Dryden

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up late in the 1970 -1971 season. He only played

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six regular season games. Six games? Just six.

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That wasn't enough to officially trigger his

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rookie status. But Montreal decides to throw

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him into the net for the playoffs anyway. Why

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not, right? Exactly. And he plays spectacularly.

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He eliminates the powerhouse Boston Bruins, leads

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Montreal to the Stanley Cup, and wins the consmith.

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Because he still hadn't crossed the regular season

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game threshold, he entered the 1971 -1972 season

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still officially classified as a rookie. He played

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a full season and won the Calder. That is insane.

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Stepping into the Montreal net with six games

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of experience and winning the consmith is a level

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of pressure that is hard to comprehend. It's

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like being named CEO of the company before you've

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even finished filling out your HR paperwork.

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Exactly. Now, we've talked a lot about the glory

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of winning this trophy alongside the Stanley

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Cup, but let's get into the philosophical debate

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of the consmith, which is the agonizing reality

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of winning the MVP on the losing team. It is

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the most bittersweet experience in professional

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hockey. The writers have, on exactly six occasions,

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decided that But a player on the losing team

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was so undeniably brilliant throughout the two

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-month run that they deserved the MVP despite

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falling short of the cup. And four of those six

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times, it was a goaltender. Yeah. You had Roger

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Croce in 66, Glenn Hall in 68, Ron Hextall in

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87, and Jean -Sebastien Jaguer in 2003. I want

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to stop on Jaguar in 2003 because anyone who

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watched that series remembers the photograph.

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Oh, it's heartbreaking. The NHL commissioner

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calls his name and Jaguar has to skate out onto

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the ice, completely devastated that Anaheim just

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lost game seven. And he has to pose for a photo

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with a silver replica of Maple Leaf Gardens while

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the New Jersey Devils are celebrating behind

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him. You look like a ghost. You really did. But

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let me ask you this. Hockey culture is built

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entirely on the concept of the crest on the front

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of the jersey meaning more than the name on the

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back. It is the ultimate team sport. Doesn't

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awarding the MVP to a player who ultimately lost

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the series betray that culture? How do the voters

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justify it? It's a fair critique, and it certainly

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creates cognitive dissonance for the player receiving

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it. But the voters are tasked with answering

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a very specific question. Who was the most valuable

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player? Of the entire postseason. The whole thing.

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Right. In 2003, Jaguar posted a 1 .62 goals against

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average and five shutouts. He swept the defending

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champion Red Wings. He swept the Minnesota Wild.

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The voters recognized that without Jaguar, the

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Mighty Ducks wouldn't have even been in the same

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zip code as the Stanley Cup final. True. To ignore

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that simply because his team lost Game 7 would

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be intellectually dishonest to the purpose of

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an individual award. That makes sense for a goaltender

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who can single -handedly drag a roster through

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the bracket. But what about a skater? A skater

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winning it on the losing team has only happened

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twice in history, and the first one blows my

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mind. Reggie Leach. Reggie Leach, a right winger

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for the Philadelphia Flyers. He won it in 1976,

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even though his team was swept in the final by

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Montreal. They didn't win a single game in the

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championship series, yet he gets the MVP. Because

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you simply cannot ignore what Leach did statistically.

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He set a league record that still stands today

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for the most goals in a single playoff year,

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scoring 19 goals. 19 goals. That included a five

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-goal game in the semifinals and four goals in

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the finals itself. Even in a sweep, when a player

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is putting the puck in the net at a historically

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unprecedented rate, the voters have to acknowledge

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that his individual performance transcended the

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team's failure. And that exact same logic applied

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incredibly recently. In 2024, Connor McDavid

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of the Edmonton Oilers won the Conn Smythe. after

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the Oilers lost a heart -stopping seven -game

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series to the Florida Panthers. And just like

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Leach, McDavid's numbers were so cartoonish that

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the voters had no choice. Exactly. Even though

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Edmonton lost Game 7, McDavid set the all -time

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NHL playoff record for assists in a single postseason.

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He led the entire playoffs in scoring by a massive

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margin of 10 points. 10 points is a huge gap

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in the playoffs. Huge. He single -handedly willed

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that team back from a three -go series deficit

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to force a Game 7. The writers looked at the

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body of work over four rounds and concluded that

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his contribution was the most valuable of any

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player on the ice, regardless of who hoisted

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the cup. Though, as a quick update to the timeline,

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the Panthers didn't leave empty -handed the following

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year. Their center, Sam Bennett, captured the

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Conn Smythe when Florida won it all in 2025.

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Right, getting their own piece of history. Which

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brings up an interesting lens to view this award

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through. Positional value. When you look at the

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entire list of winners up through 2025, centers

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have won the award 21 times. That checks out.

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Centers drive the play in all three zones. Exactly.

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Goaltenders are second with 17 wins, reflecting

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everything we just talked about with Roy and

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Jaguar. Defensemen have won it 12 times. But

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then you get to the wings. The drop -off is real.

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It is. Right -wingers have won it eight times.

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But left -wingers, in the entire history of the

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Kahn -Smythe Trophy, going back to 1965, only

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two left -wingers have ever won the award. Just

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two. Bob Ganey for Montreal in 1979 and Alexander

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Ovechkin for Washington in 2018. Why is that

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position such a black hole for playoff MVPs?

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It's a fascinating anomaly. Part of it is systemic.

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Historically, offenses run through the center

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of the ice. The center distributes the puck and

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dictates the transition game. Right wingers are

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often the pure goal scorers finishing those plays.

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And left wingers. Left wingers traditionally

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were often tasked with more grinding board battle

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responsibilities. Bob Ganey won it because he

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was the ultimate defensive forward, much like

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Keon. And Ovechkin won it because he's the greatest

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goal scorer of his generation. Right. But generally

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speaking, the left wing position doesn't inherently

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control the flow of a game the way a center or

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a top pairing defenseman does. It's a tough racket

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for the left side. But there's another massive

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demographic shift in the history of the consmith.

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For the first four decades of its existence,

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this trophy was exclusively the domain of Canadian

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-born players. It was a total monopoly. But as

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the NHL expanded its global footprint, the playoff

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MVPs followed suit. The dam finally broke in

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2002 when Nicholas Lidstrom won it with the Detroit

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Red Wings. A huge moment. Monumental. Because

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Lidstrom's win shattered a lingering old school

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bias in hockey that European players somehow

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lack the grit or the leadership required for

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the grueling, violent nature of the Stanley Cup

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playoffs. Right. That old stereotype. Exactly.

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Lidstrom winning the consmith proved that cerebral

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flawless positioning was just as valuable as

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brute force. And once Lidstrom opened that door,

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the international talent poured through. For

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example, looking back and ahead, we've seen four

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Americans. take it home. You had Brian Leach

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in 94. An incredible run. Tim Thomas in 2011,

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Jonathan Quick in 2012, and Patrick Kane in 2013.

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Then you have the Russian superstars like Evgeny

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Malkin in 2009, Ovechkin in 2018, and Andrei

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Vasilevsky in 2021. And Lindstrom paved the way

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for other Swedes too, like Kendrick Zetterberg

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in 2008 and Victor Hedman in 2020. The list of

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consmith winners is basically a mirror reflecting

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the globalization of the sport's elite talent

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pool. It really is. And if we synthesize all

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of this, The Kahn -Smythe Trophy stands as a

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unique barometer for endurance in professional

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sports. It does not reward a flash in the pan.

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No, it definitely doesn't. When you look at Sidney

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Crosby or Mary Lemieux or Bernie Parent grinding

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out back -to -back Kahn -Smythe wins, you realize

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the physical and mental toll of playing over

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100 NHL games in consecutive years and remaining

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the most impactful player on the ice. This trophy

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is fundamentally about survival as much as it

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is about skill. It is the ultimate. ultimate

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prove it award. You can't just be the best player

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for a weekend. You have to be the best player

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through a brutally intense second season. And

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the fact that voters are willing to endure the

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awkwardness of giving it to a player on the losing

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team shows a real commitment to honoring that

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individual two month journey, even when the team

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falls short. It forces us to separate the individual

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performance from the team result. which is a

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very difficult thing to do in hockey. It really

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is. So to wrap up our deep dive today, I want

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to leave you with a thought for the next time

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you are watching a playoff series unfold. We

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know the consmith is meant to evaluate the entire

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postseason. But if a team sweeps their first

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three series because one player goes completely

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nuclear and then they win a gritty, low scoring

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final where a different player happens to get

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the crucial game winning goals, who gets the

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hardware? Exactly. Who really provided the most

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value? Does the structure of the consmith demand

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that a player peaks at the exact right time in

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June or is true value defined by surviving those

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chaotic, exhausting opening rounds in April and

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May? It's a debate that has no right answer.

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And it's exactly what makes this trophy so endlessly

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fascinating. Thanks for joining us on this deep

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dive and we'll see you next time.
