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The dead ride so fast. Yeah, exactly. I mean,

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if that isn't just one of the most evocative

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gothic titles you've ever heard, I really don't

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know what is. It immediately sets the scene.

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Right. I'm picturing, you know, mist and galloping

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horses, maybe some kind of carriage careening

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through a dark forest at midnight. It just feels

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incredibly high stakes right out of the gate.

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It certainly does, yeah. It's traumatic, it's

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urgent, and it's completely steeped in that heavy

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19th century romanticism. And strictly speaking,

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it's actually a line from the famous ballad Lenore

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by Gottfried August Berger. Oh, interesting.

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But for our purposes today, as we dive into these

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sources, it is the English translation of the

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title of the album we're looking at. An album

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that is, well, it's a lot of things. It's a ghost

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story, it's a chamber orchestra masterpiece,

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and honestly, it's kind of a masterclass in artistic

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obsession. Obsession is definitely the right

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word for this one, because today, listener, we

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are going deep into the 2003 album by the legendary

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dark wave act, Sopor Eternus, and the Ensemble

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of Shadows. That's right. And I have to say,

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just looking at the source material, this isn't

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your standard, you know, band releases and album

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kind of story. This is something else entirely.

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No, not at all. This is a story about legacy,

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it's about perfectionism, and really about the

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physical artifact of music itself. Yeah. It shows

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just how far an artist is willing to go to get

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something exactly right. And we should probably

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mention the subtitle right off the bat. Oh, absolutely.

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Because it really sets the tone for the absolute

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weirdness we're about to wade into. Yeah. So

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the album is called Es reiten die Toten so schnell.

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But the subtitle on the cover is The vampire

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sucking at his own vein. Which is an image that

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honestly tells you everything you need to know

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about the introspection and the darkness going

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on here. It's a bit visceral. I mean, sucking

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at his own vein. It sounds painful, but also

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I don't know, sustaining. Exactly. It's autophagic.

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It's the whole idea of feeding on yourself to

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survive. And as we unpack this album, you'll

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see that's quite literally what the artist, Anna

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Varney Cantadella, is doing here. She is cannibalizing

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her own past work, revisiting it, and consuming

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it to create something massive and completely

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new. So our mission today for this deep dive

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is to really unpack how this specific album represents

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a totally unique moment of artistic return. We're

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going to look at how she revisited old work to

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transform it. And listener, you are definitely

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going to want to stick around for the end of

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this one, because we have to talk about the physical

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release of this album. Oh, yes. The physical

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release is incredible. The details of the box

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set are, well, I've seen some crazy limited editions

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in my time, but I have never seen one that includes

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what this one includes. It really is a fascinating

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case study in immersive art. But before we get

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to the actual box set, we have to understand

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the music itself. Right. Because usually the

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trajectory of a band is pretty linear, right?

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You release a demo tape, then maybe you get signed.

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to debut album and you move forward. Yeah, you

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evolve. You don't generally look back. Right.

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You might play the old hits live or something,

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but you don't usually go back and re -record

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the demo tape a decade later. No, that feels,

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I mean, that feels risky. Like, usually fans

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hate that. They do. They love the gritty, terrible

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sound of the original demo because it feels authentic

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to them. Precisely. There's a huge nostalgia

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for that lo -fi origin sound. But that is the

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core concept of this 2003 release. Yeah. To understand

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Es Raiden Di Toten So Schnell, the album, you

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have to understand that there was a demo tape

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with the exact same name released way back in

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the very beginning of the project. OK, let's

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unpack this a bit. So our sources mentioned that

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Anna Varney went back to this original demo tape

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and she didn't just remaster it, which is what

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most bands do to squeeze a little more money

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out of the back catalog. She didn't just clean

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up the hiss. She re -recorded the song. Completely

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re -recorded them from the ground up. And she

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respected the original vision deeply. The first

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seven tracks of this 2003 album follow the exact

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sequence of that original demo tape. Really?

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Yes. It's a deliberate recreation of that initial

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journey. It's kind of like rewriting your very

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first novel word for word, but using the vocabulary

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you have 10 years later. That's a great analogy.

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Or imagine a painter who sketched something on

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a napkin 10 years ago and now decides to paint

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that exact same scene on a massive canvas with

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expensive oil paints. Right. The composition

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is identical, but the execution is light years

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apart. But the album isn't just the demo, right?

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It's longer than that. Right, it expands the

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scope significantly. The rest of the album features

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re -recordings of bonus tracks that were originally

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included on the very first Sopor Aeternus album,

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Ich Töte Misch, plus a handful of completely

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new songs. OK. So it's basically a collection

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of the early years, but reimagined through a

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much more mature lens. And speaking of reimagining

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things, there's one detail on the track list

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that really jumped out at me from the sources.

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It's a song called Birth Fiendish Figuration.

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Ah, yes, that is a crucial track in there. discography.

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The sources call this Sopra Aeternus' signature

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song from their first album. But on this 2003

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record, this track appears in its fourth incarnation.

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Fourth? That is fascinating, isn't it? That is

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so many times to record the same song. I mean,

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I love Bohemian Rhapsody, but I do not need Queen

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to release four different studio versions of

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it. Right. What does that say to you, purely

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from an analytical standpoint? Why keep going

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back to the well like that? Oh, well, if we connect

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this back to that subtitle we talked about, the

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vampire sucking at his own vein, it suggests

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a relentless pursuit of a very specific sonic

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ideal. Birth fiendish figuration clearly holds

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a central place in the Sopra Eternus mythos.

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To record it four times means the previous three

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versions, while they were probably beloved by

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fans, didn't quite capture the truth of the song

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in Anna Varney's mind. Like it just wasn't finished

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yet. Exactly. It suggests that for her, the song

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isn't just a static recording frozen in 1994.

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It's a living thing. Yeah. It evolves with the

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artist. It's about getting it right, matching

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the sound in the real world to the sound she

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hears in her head. It's almost like the song

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itself is growing up of her. It's not just, hey,

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here's the hit single. It's more like, here's

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the current state of my soul. Yes. And to achieve

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that, current state, to finally get that sound

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exactly right, you can't just use the same tools

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you use for the demo tape. You need an environment

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that matches the grandeur of the idea. Which

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brings us to the actual production of the album.

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Yes. This is where things get really interesting

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for the audiophiles out there listening. Because

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the difference between a demo tape and this album

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isn't just a matter of practice. it's personnel.

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Absolutely. The production on this album is a

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major step up and that's largely due to one specific

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name, John A. Rivers. A legendary name in this

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specific corner of the music world. The notes

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lift his credentials and they are heavy hitters.

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We're talking about the guy who produced for

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Swell Maps, Love and Rockets, but the big one

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for me and I think for the overall vibe of this

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album is Dead Can Dance. Dead Can Dance is definitely

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the key comparison here. Absolutely. For listeners

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who might not be deep into the dark wave or ethereal

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wave genres, can you explain what that Dead Can

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Dance sound actually is? Like, why does that

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name matter so much here? Sure. So Dead Can Dance

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is famous for a sound that is vast, timeless,

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and incredibly spacious. Yeah. When you listen

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to their records, it doesn't sound like a band

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in a recording studio. It sounds like you are

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standing in a massive cathedral or an ancient

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cistern or a foggy moor somewhere. It's pristine,

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but it's incredibly haunting. So it's big. It's

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cinematic. Exactly. So when Anna Varney brings

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in a producer like John A. Rivers, she isn't

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just looking for someone to hit the record button.

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He is looking for that atmosphere. She wants

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that high fidelity ghost story sound. It really

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signals a shift, doesn't it? It moves the project

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away from lo -fi goth or bedroom dark wave into

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something much more, I guess, respectable or

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at least much more sonically ambitious. Ambitious

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is the perfect word. And that ambition is actually

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reflected in the geography of the recording as

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well. Right. The sources note that previous works

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were recorded in the artist's home country of

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Germany. But for us right in Detoden, so schnell,

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the recording process actually moved to England.

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To Rivers Studio, presumably. Correct. And this

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geographical shift really matters. It shows a

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willingness to step completely out of the comfort

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zone, out of the home environment, to chase a

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specific sound. Yeah. Darkwave and classical

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are the genre tags attached to this album in

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the sources. And to get that blend of electronic

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darkness and orchestral grandeur, you really

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need a producer who understands how to balance

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those specific elements. Right, because you have

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acoustic and electronic trying to mesh. Exactly.

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Rivers was the perfect choice to bridge the gap

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between the synthesizer and the symphony. And

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that balance is crucial because looking at the

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personnel list and the sources, this is not just

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a synthesizer and a drum machine anymore. This

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is a massive production. It is a true ensemble.

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Let's look at the Ensemble of Shadows here. Usually

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that name Ensemble of Shadows feels like a metaphor,

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like, oh, the ghosts are my bandmates. But on

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this album, the ensemble is made up of very real

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people. It's essentially a full chamber orchestra.

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I was reading down the credits list in the source

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material and I just kept scrolling. It's huge.

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It is. We've got Chris Wilson on violin, Elizabeth

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Tollington on cello, Marcus Cornell on double

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bass. That is a very solid string section. The

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foundation of any... good classical melancholia.

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But then it just keeps going into the woodwinds

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and brass. You have Tonya Price on clarinet,

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Eugene de la Fontaine on oboe. And don't forget

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the cor anglais and bassoon. Eric Santilla on

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cor anglais, yes. And Darina Gore on bassoon.

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Plus trumpet, trombone, tuba. I mean, this is

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a serious lineup of musicians. It really is.

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And it's important to note the distinction here.

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Annavarni Cantadea is credited with vocals, all

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other instruments, and programming. She is the

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composer and the architect of the whole thing.

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Yeah. But these specific musicians, Wilson, Tollington,

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and the rest, they're the ones breathing actual

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life into the score. It really separates Soap

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Ria Ternes from a lot of other goth or dark wave

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acts of the early 2000s. I feel like in that

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era, it would have been very easy to just do

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all this on a keyboard. Oh, absolutely. Synthesizers

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were getting really good by 2003. You could fake

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a cello if you wanted to, but she actively chose

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to hire a tuba player. And an oboe player. Think

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about the sound of an oboe. It has such a distinct,

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mournful, reedy sound. It sounds almost like

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a human crying. It does. You can't perfectly

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replicate the breath of a real oboe player with

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a keyboard patch. By using real instruments,

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what we call acoustic instrumentation, you add

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a layer of organic texture that you just can't

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fake. It adds texture, but I think it also changes

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the whole vibe. Synths can feel cold, plastic.

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maybe futuristic, but a bassoon. A cello. Those

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feel old. They feel like wood and gut and breath.

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Exactly. It grounds the spookiness in reality.

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It makes the dead in the title feel paradoxically

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more alive. It's tactile. You can practically

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hear the resin on the bow. That's a great point.

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It creates a physical presence in the room with

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you. And speaking of grounding things, or perhaps

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ungrounding them, we should talk about how these

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instruments were used to transform specific tracks

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from the demo. Yes. We mentioned birth earlier,

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but there's another track the sources highlight.

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And that's Reprise. This is a great example of

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that transformation process, that filling in

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the sketch idea we talked about earlier. So in

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its original version on the demo tape, Reprise

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was just a spoken word piece. It referenced a

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line from the bridge of another song called Dead

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Souls, just a spoken outro, basically. Kind of

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a here's some spooky thoughts to end the tape

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vibe. Pretty standard fare for a concept album

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or a demo, just a placeholder for an emotion.

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But on this 2003 release. It has been transformed

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into a full song. It's no longer just someone

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talking over background. It's a complete musical

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composition. Which really reinforces the idea

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that S. Wright and D. Toten so schnell is a realization

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of the demo's true potential. Yeah. A spoken

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word track might be a placeholder simply because

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the artist couldn't quite express that feeling

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musically at the time. She didn't have the orchestra.

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She didn't have John A. Rivers. Right. She was

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limited by the resources. Exactly. Years later,

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with the full ensemble, including cellos and

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bassoons at her disposal, she could finally turn

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that spoken sentiment into a fully realized melody.

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It's like she finally had the vocabulary to finish

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the sentence she started 10 years ago. Precisely.

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She filled in a sketch with oil paints. I really

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love that image. But speaking of tangible things,

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of oil paints and canvases, we absolutely have

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to talk about the physical object itself. I had

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a feeling we were heading here the release formats.

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I mean, we cover a lot of deep dives and we see

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some pretty cool marketing gimmicks. But this

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one, this takes the cake for being the most committed

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to the bit. It is certainly committed, but Sopraturnus

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is known for treating the physical format as

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part of the art itself, not just a container

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for it. Right. So the album comes out in 2003,

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and it's not just a standard CD in a jewel case.

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There were two specific limited editions mentioned

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in the source material. First, there's a box

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set, an A5 sized box. Limited to 1 ,999 copies.

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A very nice specific number. Not 2 ,000, exactly

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1 ,999. It feels very curated. But then... There's

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the double vinyl edition. Limited to let me guess.

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You know exactly where this is going. 666. It's

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classic theatricality. It's camp, but it's a

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very serious, dedicated camp. But what's inside

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the vinyl edition is what really matters. Okay,

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listener, you really have to picture this. You

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order the vinyl, you get the record, you get

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a poster, standard stuff, get a t -shirt. Very

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cool. You get postcards. Nice. That's a pretty

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deluxe bundle. But then you find... communion

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wafers symbolic certainly playing heavily with

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religious iconography the body of christ and

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authenticated graveyard soil yes this is where

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it gets really interesting i have so many questions

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about this authenticated graveyard soil what

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does that even mean how do you authenticate dirt

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is there a certificate like yes this dirk is

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definitely from a place with dead bodies signed

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the groundskeeper the source material is delightfully

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vague on the how of it all It simply states that

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it came with authenticated graveyard soil. It

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doesn't cite a lab report or a coroner's signature

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or anything. It's just dirt in your record sleeve.

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But think about the effect of that. We talked

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about the subtitle earlier, the vampire sucking

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at his own vein. We talked about the dead ride

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so fast. By including soil, specifically soil

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associated with death, the artist is literally

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breaking the fourth wall. Oh, wow. Yeah. You

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aren't just listening to a ghost story anymore.

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You are holding a physical piece of the setting

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in your own hand. It's immersive marketing taken

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to the absolute extreme. It bridges that gap

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between the art and the listener completely.

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Yeah. You literally own a piece of the grave.

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And it creates a relic. A standard CD is just

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a mass -produced consumer good, a box containing

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soil and wafers, limited to 666 copies. That

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is a ritual object. It really is. It changes

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the entire way you listen to the music. You approach

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it with more reverence or at least a lot more

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caution. It definitely adds to the mystique.

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I mean, if I bought a record and it came with

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dirt, I'd be telling everyone I knew about it.

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I'd be like, hey, don't touch that. It's the

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grave dirt. It creates an entire story around

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the object itself. And notice the specific pairing

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there. Communion wafers and grave soil. The sacred

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and the profane. Life eternal and physical decay.

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It's capturing the entire thematic arc of sopore

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eternis and two tiny physical items. That is

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wild. It's just total art. The music, the photos,

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the packaging. It's all one cohesive, slightly

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terrifying world. And it worked. We are sitting

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here talking about it 20 years later. So. Looking

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back at all this. Let's recap the journey for

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a second We have a demo tape from the early days

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that was rough around the edges, right? Then

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years later the artist decides no, this isn't

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finished She hires a world -class producer, moves

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the recording to England, hires a massive classical

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ensemble, re -records everything to absolute

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perfection, and then sells it with literal grave

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dirt. It is a massive, massive undertaking. What

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does this tell us about So Poor Eternus? What

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is the big takeaway here for you? It tells us

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that for Anna Varney Cantadea, the past is never

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really dead. It's raw material. Most artists

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treat their back catalog as a history book. They

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say, this is what I did in 1995. But for her,

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the back catalog is a living document. It can

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be reopened, rewritten, and expanded upon at

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any time. The song birth can be born a fourth

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time. The spoken word track can finally become

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a song. It's almost like she's perfecting her

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own mythology. Precisely. She is curating the

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legend of Sopor Aeternus in real time. By elevating

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the demo tape to this grand orchestral status,

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she's essentially saying, my beginnings were

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not humble. My beginnings were grand. I just

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didn't have the budget to show you yet. That

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is a really powerful way to look at it. Retroactively

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fixing the budget of your past. Basically saying,

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I always sounded like this in my head, now you

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can hear it too. And the choice of the Dead Ride

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so fast as the title, it feels very relevant

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to this whole process. Oh, so? Well, the phrase

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implies speed, urgency, something catching up

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to you. In the original poem, the dead return

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to claim the living. But in this album, I actually

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think the dynamic is flipped. The artist is the

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one chasing the dead. She's chasing these old

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songs, these dead souls of her past repertoire.

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She's hunting them down, catching them and giving

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them new bodies. She is flat out refusing to

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let them rest in peace as mere demos. She's riding

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faster than they are. In a way, yes. Or she is

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joining their ride so she can steer the carriage

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herself. It really is a unique entry in the world

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of music. I honestly can't think of many other

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acts that have done something quite this specific.

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rebuilding a demo into a magnum opus with such

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fanatical detail. It's very rare, and it explains

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why the fans of this project are just so dedicated.

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They aren't just consuming content. They are

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witnessing a very personal, very intense artistic

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evolution unfold. And they are holding the soil

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to prove it. Indeed. They are part of the ritual.

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So as we wrap up this deep dive into S. Reitende

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Toten so schnell, We're left with this image

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of an artist who just refuses to let the past

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stay imperfect. She built a massive monument

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out of a demo tape. And filled it with oboes,

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cellos, and soil. It's gothic. It's ambitious.

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And it's undeniably cool. It makes you look at

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your own old work and wonder, could I fix that?

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Should I fix that? I'd like to leave you, the

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listener, with one final thought on that subtitle.

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The dead ride so fast. We've talked about the

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re -recording process, the fourth version of

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birth, the constant refinement of the art. If

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the artist is continuously re -recording and

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refining the past, are they trying to outrun

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the dead? Or are they trying to keep them alive?

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Is the perfectionism a way to silence the ghosts,

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or is it the only way to ensure they never truly

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fade away? That is definitely something to think

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about next time you're listening to an old favorite

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track. Are you keeping it alive? or is it haunting

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you? Thanks for taking this deep dive with us

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everyone. A pleasure as always. Keep digging.
