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So Heart of Stone, it's one of those idioms that

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really feels like it's been around since we lived

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in caves, just staring at the fire. Yeah, absolutely.

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You hear those three words and you just immediately

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know the architect we're talking about, like

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the cold villain or the. the unfeeling ex -partner.

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Or that corporate shark who just fires people

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without even blinking. Exactly. It's this universal

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concept. It really is the ultimate shorthand

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for emotional impenetrability. It implies a very

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distinct lack of empathy. Precisely. But today

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on this deep dive, we aren't here to just give

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you a dictionary definition. No, I think you

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already know what it means. Right. We're here

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because we've been looking through this absolutely

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massive stack of data. cultural databases, copyright

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registries, historical archives. Even medical

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journals, which we will get to. Oh, we are definitely

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getting to that because we found something really

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weird. We as a species are just absolutely obsessed

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with this specific combination of words. Obsessed

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is definitely the right word. When we started

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pulling the source material for this deep dive,

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I honestly, I expected maybe a handful of songs

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and like a movie or two. Standard pop culture

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stuff. Right. Standard stuff. But the sheer volume

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of content titled Heart of Stone is, it's staggering.

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It's a complete data obsession. And it isn't

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just the volume either. It's the variety. I mean,

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we are looking at a phenomenon that links 1920s

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German silent cinema, 1980s heavy metal. by Thirlers

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from 2023. Yes, and this is my favorite part,

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literal medical textbooks. It really is the title

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that refuses to die. It just keeps reinventing

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itself for every single generation. So here is

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our roadmap for this deep dive. We're going to

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unpack a timeline that spans over two entire

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centuries. Which is wild. It is. And we're going

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to look at the musical tug of war over who actually

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owns this title. Because literally everyone from

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Cher to Motorhead seems to think it belongs to

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them. And we are going to finish with the most

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surprising twist in the research, which is that

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biological reality I hinted at, because it turns

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out having a heart of stone isn't just a metaphor.

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It is an actual medical diagnosis. It is. OK,

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so let's start with the visual side of things.

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Film and television. I was I was scanning the

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release dates in the database and there's this

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incredible book end effect happening that I really

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need to ask you about. You mean the gap between

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the 1924 film and the recent blockbuster. Exactly

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that. So in 1924, you have a German silent film

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titled Heart of Stone or Das Kalte Herz in the

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original German. Right. that is literally a century

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ago, black and white, expressionist, very atmospheric.

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And then you fast forward to 2023, which is basically

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yesterday. And you have this massive budget American

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spy action film starring Gal Gadot. Also titled

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Heart of Stone. Also titled Heart of Stone. I

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mean, think about the technological leap there.

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This title has survived the transition from silent

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film to talkies to technicolor to the digital

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age. And now it's surviving streaming algorithms.

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It suggests the phrase is completely genre agnostic.

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Right. It doesn't sound dated. Exactly. It doesn't

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feel old timey like saying the cat's meow. But

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it also doesn't feel... overly futuristic. It

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just sits in this really weird, timeless space.

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It really does. And the list in between those

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two dates is so eclectic. You've got an East

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German film from 1950, then you jump to 2001,

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and there's an American psychological thriller.

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Yep. than a 2009 documentary. It is everywhere.

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That East German production from 1950 is super

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interesting, actually. Why is that? Well, because

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usually titles are very specific to their cultural

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moment. You know, a title like Rebel Without

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a Cause screams 1950s America. Oh, sure. But

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Heart of Stone works for a communist era state

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production, just as well as it works for a slick

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Hollywood blockbuster. It implies a moral center

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or maybe a lack of one that resonates totally

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regardless of the political backdrop. That makes

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a lot of sense. But it's not just the big screen,

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though. The television writers are arguably even

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more addicted to this trope. Oh, they love it.

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They do. But I notice a pattern in the show list.

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It isn't usually like sitcoms or police procedurals

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using this title. It's very specific. No, it

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is almost exclusively speculative fiction, sci

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-fi and fantasy. Right. The sources list, Star

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Trek. Deep Space Nine, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland,

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and an animated show called Mysticons. Right.

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Why do you think these genres specifically gravitate

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toward it? I think it comes down to the fundamental

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nature of the characters in those worlds. In

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a sitcom, characters are usually just humans

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dealing with awkward everyday situations. But

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in sci -fi or fantasy, you're often dealing with

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entities that are struggling with the very definition

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of humanity itself. Like shapeshifters or cyborgs

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or magical beings. Exactly. Take that episode

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of Star Trek, Deep Space Nine. The episode titled

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Heart of Stone centers on the character Odo,

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who is a changeling, in Colonel Kira. The tension

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in that universe is often about logic versus

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emotion, or duty versus love. When a sci -fi

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writer slaps Heart of Stone on a script, they

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aren't just saying someone is being mean. They're

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being literal. Often, yes. They're exploring

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a literal shedding of humanity. A character is

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becoming a machine or a statue or losing their

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soul to magic. So in a realistic drama, it's

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just a metaphor. But in fantasy, it's often an

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actual physical threat. or a transformation.

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Precisely. It really raises the stakes. If you

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have a heart of stone in a fantasy show, you

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might actually be actively turning into stone.

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Right. Well, speaking of raising the stakes,

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let's move to the section of the notes that honestly

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gave me a headache just trying to organize it.

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The music. The music section is absolute chaos.

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It really is. It seems like every musician in

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the last 40 years looked at their track list

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and said, you know what's missing? A song called

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Heart of Stone. It is the ultimate default setting

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for a rock or pop song. But there is a pattern

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in the chaos if you look closely. Well, there

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is definitely a center of gravity in the data.

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We need to talk about the Cher Nexus. Ah, yes,

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the late 80s saturation point. This is wild.

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So looking at the data here, in 1989, Cher releases

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a massive album. The title, Heart of Stone. Such

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an iconic era for her. Big hair, leather jackets,

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music videos filmed on battleships. But she is

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not done. In 1990, just a year later, she releases

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a single. The title of the song, Heart of Stone.

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She doubled down. She planted her flag. She did.

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But here's the twist. That song she released

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wasn't an original. No. It was a cover. It was

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originally released by the British group Bucks

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Fizz in 1988. So let's map that timeline out.

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1988, Bucks Fizz releases the song. 1989, Cher

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names her entire album after the phrase. 1990's

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Cher covers the song. Wow. Within a 24 month

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window, the charts were just pummeled with this

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one phrase. It was a hardest stone gold rush.

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Everyone wanted a piece of that real estate.

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But we can't talk about this title without acknowledging

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who likely made it cool in the first place. The

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Rolling Stone. 1964. This is the real anchor

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point. Before 1964, the phrase was mostly literary

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or folkloric. But when Mick Jagger sings it,

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it completely changes the texture of the words.

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How so? It wasn't just about being unfeeling

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anymore. It became about being tough. The Rolling

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Stones made Heart of Stone a badge of honor.

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It implies you've been hurt, so you calcified

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yourself to survive. That toughness clearly appealed

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to a specific crowd, too. Because when I was

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looking through the list of artists who have

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a song called Heart of Stone, the genre whiplash

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is hilarious. It really is. It's like hitting

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shuffle on the weirdest iPod in history. Give

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us the spread. Give us the genres. Okay, so in

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the Tough Guy corner, we have Motorhead. Their

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song is on the Iron Fist album from 1982. Let

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me kill mister singing about a heart of stone

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that I immediately believe. Absolutely. That

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fits the brand perfectly. It sounds like armor.

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Then you got Whitesnake giving us their version

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on the Slash and Blood album in 2019. You've

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got the metalcore band Under Oath in 1999. And

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the band, you know, the final countdown guys,

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they had a Heart of Stone on that same album

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in 1986. So that is very much the leather and

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pyrotechnics camp. For them, Heart of Stone is

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something you wear into battle. It means you

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can't be hurt. Exactly. But then you flip the

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record over and who else is using this title?

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Taylor Dane. Pop dance icon of the 90s. A completely

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different emotional landscape. Totally. Erasure.

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Synth pop legends. They had one on The Innocents

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in 1988. Silver Convention in the disco era,

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1975. See for erasure or Taylor Dane a heart

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of stone isn't something they have it's something

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they are running up against It's usually a song

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about unrequited love. It's why won't you let

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me in versus motorheads? You can't hurt me. It's

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the exact same three words, but diametrically

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opposite meanings That is fascinating and it

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doesn't even stop at pop and rock musical theater

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fans You aren't safe either right musical six,

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which has become this massive global phenomenon

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recently Right the show about the six wives of

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Henry VIII Toby Marlowe and Lucy Moss wrote a

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song called Heart of Stone for Jane Seymour's

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character in 2018, which is this beautiful sweeping

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ballad. And in that context, she is saying she

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needs a heart of stone to survive the king's

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love, to survive the loss. But she can't force

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herself to have one. It is entirely about vulnerability.

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And just to prove this isn't some retro trend,

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we have a source from this year, 2024, Jelly

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Roll, the country rap crossover star. He has

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a song called Heart of Stone. It literally hasn't

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retired. From the Rolling Stones in 64 to Jelly

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Roll in 24, that is 60 years of musicians saying,

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yep, that is the title I want. It really raises

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the question, is it just laziness? Or is the

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phrase just so perfect that you genuinely can

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improve on it? I think it's the rhythm of it,

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heart, stone. It's bunchy. It is. Oh, and I have

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to mention one more music detail because I just

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love a bit of Eurovision chaos. The Andreas Kummert

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story. Yes. So in 2015, Andreas Kummert is competing

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to represent Germany in Eurovision. The song

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he is singing, hardest done. Naturally. He actually

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wins the national selection. The audience votes

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for him. And then he famously declines to go

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right on live television. Right on stage, he

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hands it over to the runner up. Talk about a

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twist. But you mentioned something earlier about

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Germany, because we had that German silent film,

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the East German film, and now a German Eurovision

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contestant singing a song with that title. This

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is where the deep dive gets really interesting.

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We tend to think of this as an English idiom

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because of the Rolling Stones or Cher, but the

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roots of this phrase, specifically as a title

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for a story, seem to dig really deep into German

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soil. Okay, let's unpack this. We saw the 1924

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film. Was that the start? Not even close. The

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oldest source in our stack is from 1827. 1827,

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that is nearly 200 years ago. It is. It's a German

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fairy tale titled Das Kalte Herz. Literally the

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cold heart, but it's often translated and adapted

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as heart of stone. It was written by Wilhelm

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Hof. I don't think I know that one. What is the

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actual premise? It's a classic Faustian bargain,

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but with a twist. The protagonist, a guy named

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Peter Monk, wants to be rich. He is tired of

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being poor and invisible. So he goes to a forest

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spirit called Dutch Michael. Okay. Michael tells

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him that his emotions, his fear, his anxiety,

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his empathy are what is holding him back from

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success. So they make a trade. Let me guess.

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He trades his heart. Literally. He gives up his

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beating, living heart and the spirit replaces

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it with a heart made of marble. Cold stone. Wow.

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And suddenly he's successful. Wildly successful,

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he becomes a wealthy timber merchant. But he

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can't feel joy, he can't love his wife, he can't

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even taste food properly. He becomes a monster.

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Not because he's inherently evil, but because

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he is completely numb. That is profoundly relevant.

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Isn't it? It frames the heart of stone not just

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as being mean, but as an economic transaction.

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You trade your humanity for success or stability.

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That connects so perfectly back to the Star Trek

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and sci -fi examples we talked about earlier.

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The cyborg who trades flesh for efficiency, it

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is the exact same story as the 1827 fairy tale,

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just with spaceships instead of dark forests.

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Exactly. The medium changes. You go from folklore

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to silent film to synth pop to sci -fi, but the

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core anxiety remains exactly the same. What is

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the cost of stopping the pain? If I turn my heart

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to stone so I don't feel hurt, do I end up losing

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everything else? That is heavy. We also have

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a literary mention here, by the way, a novel

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from 1996 by Sebastiano Vasale called Heart of

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Stone. It seems the novelists are in on it, too.

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It really does cover every medium. It is omnipresent.

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It is just the story we can't stop telling ourselves.

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But speaking of literal meanings, you promised

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us a twist at the beginning. I did. We have talked

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about metaphors, songs, movies, and fairy tales.

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But there is one category in our source stack

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that doesn't fit with the arts at all. the medical

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category. I honestly thought this was a mistake

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in the notes at first. I thought maybe the search

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algorithm just grabbed a bad result, but it's

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really there. It's there. Heart of stone is a

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colloquialism and sometimes even a descriptive

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term used in pathology for palsification of the

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heart. Specifically, conditions like calcific

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constrictive pericarditis. OK, please break that

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down for us non -doctors. What is actually happening

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inside the body? So the heart is surrounded by

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a sac called the pericardium. It is supposed

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to be flexible like a balloon, allowing the heart

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to beat and expand normally. But in certain disease

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states, things like chronic inflammation, tuberculosis,

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things like that, calcium deposits begin to form

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on that sac. Calcium like bone. Exactly like

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bone. Over time, that flexible sac creates a

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hard shell. It literally turns into an eggshell

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-like casing around the entire heart. The surgeons

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describing it say it physically feels like tapping

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on a stone. It is terrifying. And the physiological

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result is fascinatingly ironic. We use heart

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of stone to describe someone who is strong, unyielding,

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maybe a bit ruthless. But biologically, a heart

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of stone is weak. Because it can't move. Right,

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because the casing is hard, the heart muscle

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can't expand to fill with blood, it is constricted,

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it works harder and harder just to pump a tiny

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amount of blood. So all these poets and songwriters

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singing about a heart of stone to describe their

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tough, unfeeling ex -lovers, they're accidentally

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describing a heart that is suffocating itself.

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It is the ultimate irony. A calcified heart is

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a failing heart. It bridges the gap between the

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poetic and the pathological in a way I really

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don't think most songwriters realize. It adds

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a whole new layer of darkness to the lyrics.

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If Cher or Mick Jagger knew that, the songs might

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have been a lot sadder. It suggests that the

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armor we build around ourselves, metaphorically

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speaking, actually stops us from functioning.

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Wow. So we have covered a massive amount of ground

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here. We have gone from Wilhelm Hoff's fairy

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tales in 1827 to Jelly Roll in 2024. We have

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gone from East German cinema to Eurovision drama,

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from heavy metal posturing to calcified pericardiums.

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It is a complete journey through human anxiety,

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really. What is the big takeaway for you? Why

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is this specific combination of three words,

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heart of stone, have such a grip on us? Why not

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heart of ice or heart of iron? I think heart

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of stone is the ultimate blank slate title. Think

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about it. If you say heart of ice, it implies

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coldness, maybe death. Heart of iron implies

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machinery industry. But stone. Stone is natural,

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but it's dead. It's ancient. It's heavy. It carries

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more weight. It works for everyone. If you are

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a heavy metal band, Heart of Stone sounds strong

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and impenetrable. If you are a pop singer, it

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sounds tragic and lonely. If you're a spy movie,

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it sounds mysterious. And if you're a doctor,

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it's a diagnosis. It changes color depending

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entirely on the background. It is the universal

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adapter of idioms. And it speaks to that fundamental

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contradiction we all feel. We all want to be

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strong, right? We want to be... rock solid so

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things can't hurt us, but we're also terrified

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of losing our softness, our ability to genuinely

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love. The phrase captures both that desire for

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strength and the fear of numbness perfectly.

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That's such a great way to put it. It's the tension

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between being unbreakable and being unable to

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connect. And as long as humans are trying to

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figure out that balance, I don't think this title

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is going anywhere. So here is my question for

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you listening to this right now. We have cataloged

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over a century. of Hearts of Stone. It has been

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used in every genre imaginable. Is it time to

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retire it? Have we squeezed every drop of meaning

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out of this stone? Or does its persistence prove

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that we're still trying to figure out what it

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means to be cold in a chaotic world? I have a

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feeling we will see another one before 2030.

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Maybe a VR experience or a TikTok trend. I definitely

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wouldn't bet against it. Next time you are scrolling

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through Spotify or browsing Netflix, keep an

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eye out. you will probably spot a heart of stone

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in the wild sooner than you think. And when you

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do, remember, it might mean strength, it might

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mean heartbreak, or it might just mean you need

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to see a cardiologist. Thanks for diving in with

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us. Take care.
