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Um, I have to start today's deep dive with a

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bit of a confession. And, uh, I might get some

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hate mail for this, but I just have to be honest

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with you all. Oh boy, that sounds ominous. What

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did you do? Well, it's not what I did. It's,

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uh, it's what I feel. Whenever I walk into a

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bookstore or, you know, a library gift shop,

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and I see a coffee mug with the phrase, hope

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is the thing with feathers written on it. Oh,

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I think I know where this is going. My immediate

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reaction is to just roll my eyes. Skepticism.

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For Emily Dickinson, that is a really bold stance

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to take right out of the gate. It's not skepticism

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about her talent. I mean, she's brilliant. It's

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the context. It's become kind of the live, laugh,

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love of American literature. Right. It's on tote

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bags. It's on magnets. It's on those little inspirational

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posters in guidance counselors' offices. It just

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feels so, I don't know, safe. Like an embroidery

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sampler. Exactly. It feels like the literary

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equivalent of a warm cup of herbal tea that doesn't

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really taste like anything. Well, that is actually

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the perfect setup for what we're doing today.

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Because if you sit down with the source material,

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and for this deep dive we are heavily pulling

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from the Wikipedia analysis of the poem, along

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with its publishing history and literary mechanics,

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you realize that safe is the absolute last word

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you should use to describe it. See, that's the

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part I really struggle to believe. Because on

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the surface, it's a poem about a little bird.

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It's about hope. It feels very greeting card.

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That's the trick, though. That is the genius

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of Emily Dickinson. She is an absolute master

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of disguise. What do you mean by disguise? She

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takes a concept that feels soft and sentimental

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on the surface, and she packs it into a structure

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that is mechanically aggressive. weirdly punctuated,

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and logically very rigorous. If you look at the

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closed transcription, meaning the version she

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actually wrote and not the one usually printed

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on the mugs, it's a completely different animal.

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Okay, so our mission today for the listener is

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basically to rescue this poem from the gift shop.

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Exactly. We're going to look at the physical

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artifact, the actual paper it was written on,

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which tells a pretty wild story about how she

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quote unquote published. We'll break down the

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hymn meter she used and why it might actually

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be a parody. And we have to talk about the dashes.

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The aggressive punctuation. The aggressive punctuation.

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Let's start with why you think it's a greeting

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card poem. Because for a really long time, the

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world didn't even know this poem existed. That

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was the part of the background info that really

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surprised me. Because I assumed this was just

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published in The Atlantic or something during

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her life and everyone clapped. But the source

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says it wasn't published until 1891. Right. Years

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after she died. During her lifetime, Dickinson

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was basically a ghost to the literary world.

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She didn't publish in the traditional sense at

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all. But, and this is a really key point, she

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did. publish. She just did it for an audience

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of one. You're talking about the fascicles? Yes,

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specifically fascicle 13. I love this detail

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so much. Can we paint the picture for the listener?

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Because fascicle sounds like a medical term,

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like maybe something to do with a muscle, but

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it's actually really craft core. It is. It really

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is. So imagine this. It's roughly 1861. The American

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Civil War is ramping up and you have Emily Dickinson

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in her room in Amherst, Massachusetts. She takes

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sheets of cream colored stationery. Specifically

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woven stationery. The source mentioned it has

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blue rule lines on it, right? Kind of like notebook

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paper. Blue rule lines, yeah. And a watermark.

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It's actually embossed with a queen's head above

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the letter L. So this wasn't just scrap paper

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she found lying around. Not at all. She sat down,

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wrote out fair copies of her poems, including

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Hope is the Thing with Feathers, stacked the

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sheets, poked holes in the spine, and hand -sewed

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them together with thread. That's the image that

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sticks with me. Yeah. The needle and thread.

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It's just so deliberate. She wasn't stuffing

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poems in a drawer because she was shy or insecure.

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She was binding her own books. Yeah. There were

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40 of these booklets found after she died. And

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Fascal 13 contained this poem along with there's

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a certain slant of light, which is just a powerhouse

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collection. Yeah. But think about the psychology

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of that. You aren't submitting to an editor.

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You aren't waiting for anyone's approval. You

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are curating your own legacy, physically binding

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it together and then just putting it in a chest.

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It feels incredibly modern, actually. It's like

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making a zine or having a private blog that you

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treat with total seriousness. But then her sister

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finds them. Lavinia Dickinson found them. And

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can you imagine the shock? You think you know

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your sister, and then you find hundreds of masterpieces

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sewn together in her dresser. But here is where

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the greeting card problem you mentioned really

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starts. Because the version Lavinia found isn't

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exactly the version the world eventually got.

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No. The first editors, Mabel Loomis Todd and

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Thomas Wentworth Higginson, they looked at these

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poems and thought, whoa, this is messy. The punctuation

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was weird. The capitalization was inconsistent.

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It just looked raw. So for the 1891 publication,

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they quote unquote fixed it. They smoothed her

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out. They gentrified the poem. They took out

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all the jagged edges to make it palatable for

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a 19th century audience. They essentially turned

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a wild thing into a tame bird. It really wasn't

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until 1955 when Thomas H. Johnson released the

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scholarly edition and later R .W. Franklin that

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we finally got to see the poem as it existed

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in fascicle 13. OK, so let's look at that unsmooth

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version. Let's look at the mechanics, because

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if we strip away the nice font and the editor's

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polish. What are we actually looking at? We are

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looking at a definition. That is the actual genre

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of the poem. She is trying to define an abstract

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concept, hope, by describing its physical properties.

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Hope is the thing with feathers. Exactly. Notice

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she doesn't say hope is a bird. Right. She says

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it's the thing with feathers. It's a small distinction,

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but it really matters. Bird is a category. Thing

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with feathers is an observation. It's almost

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like she's looking inside her own soul, sees

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this creature, and is describing the texture

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of it first. It feels alien, like an undiscovered

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species. And it perches in the soul. That's the

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roost. It lives inside. But the next line is

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the one that destroys the whole greeting card

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vibe for me and sings the tune without the words.

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And never stops at all. Focus on without the

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words for a second. What does that tell you about

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hope? Well, it implies that hope isn't logical.

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It's not a speech. You don't talk yourself into

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hope with a pro and con list. Exactly. It's non

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-linguistic. It's a vibration. If you have to

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use words to convince yourself to be hopeful,

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you probably aren't actually hopeful. You're

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just optimistic. Oh, that's an interesting distinction.

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Optimism is a cognitive process. You look at

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the data and say things will probably work out.

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But hope is deeper. It's that biological drive

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that keeps you going even when your brain, the

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part that uses words, is telling you. to give

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up. That actually makes total sense of the never

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stops line. Because if it were a logical argument,

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it would stop when the argument failed. If the

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facts change, the logic stops. But a song can

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just loop. It's a continuous loop. It's a constant

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background frequency. And that brings us to the

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second stanza where she tests this frequency.

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She essentially puts the bird in a wind tunnel.

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This is the gale. And sweetest in the gale is

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heard. I've always read this as just, you know,

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hope is good when things are bad. Which is a

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bit of a platitude, right? Like, look for the

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silver lining. It definitely sounds like one

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if you read it quickly. But look at the mechanics

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of the sentence. The song is sweetest in the

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gale. Why? Contrast. Contrast, yes. But also

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necessity. Think about it. You don't notice the

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hum of your refrigerator until the house is completely

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silent. You don't notice the thing with feathers

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when you're happy and safe. Right. The gale.

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The storm, the crisis strips away everything

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else. All the other comforts are gone. The logic

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is gone. The plan is gone. And what's left? Just

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that little hum. She uses the word sore to describe

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the storm too, which I found really interesting

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in the source. And sore must be the storm that

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could abash the little bird. Abash is such a

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great vocabulary word. It means to embarrass

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or to confuse or to silence. So the storm has

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to be incredibly painful, sore, to finally shut

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the bird up. Right. It implies that the bird

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is actually really tough. We usually think of

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feathers as fragile. We think of birds as hollow

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boned, delicate things that you have to protect.

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But Dickinson is totally reversing that. The

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storm is huge and violent, but the bird is resilient.

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Exactly. It takes a cataclysmic event to kill

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hope. It turns the cute little bird into this

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absolute tank of a creature. It's small, but

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it's nearly invincible. And then in the third

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stanza, she expands the map. She says, I've heard

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it in the chillest land and on the strangest

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sea. Chillest land and strangest sea. She's talking

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about internal geography here, right? She's not

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talking about Antarctica. Almost certainly. These

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are the edges of the human psyche. Depression,

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grief, severe alienation. The strangest sea is

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that feeling when you just don't recognize yourself

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or the world around you. And the bird is there

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too. It's an explorer. And this leads to what

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I think is the most important part of the poem.

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The economic argument. The transaction. Or rather,

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the lack of one. Yet never in extremity, it asked

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a crumb of me. This is the absolute kicker. Extremity.

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That's the crisis point. That's when you are

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at your absolute limit. In most relationships,

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in most transactions, when you are in a crisis,

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you have to pay up. You have to expend energy

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to fix things. You have to barter. But the bird

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asks for nothing. Not a single crumb. It is a

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non -transactional virtue. And this is a really

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profound insight from the source material. Notice

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the distinction between me and it. The speaker

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isn't the bird. Correct. The speaker is the host.

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The bird is a separate entity. It's a wild creature

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that has taken up residence in the soul. It doesn't

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work for you. It doesn't obey you. It just lives

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there. And it sings regardless of whether you

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feed it or not. That actually feels terrifyingly

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independent. It's not I am hopeful. It's hope

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is happening to me. Precisely. It entirely shifts

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the agency. If hope is something you do, then

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it's your fault if you lose it, you failed. But

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if hope is a wild bird that perches in you, well,

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that's a gift. A gift you can't control, but

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also a gift you don't have to earn. OK, I am

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definitely starting to see why this is deeper

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than a tote bag slogan. The tote bag implies

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just be hopeful. The poem actually says there

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is a wild thing living in you that will survive

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the storm. Exactly. But I want to pivot to how

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this thing sounds because we mentioned the gift

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shop version is smoothed out. But even the original

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has a very catchy, very simple rhythm. It really

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bounces. Oh, it's incredibly catchy. It's a total

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earworm. The source calls it ballad meter or

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hymn meter. Right. If you've ever been to a Protestant

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church or really any church in the 19th century,

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this rhythm is in your DNA. It's alternating

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lines of four beats and three beats. Iambic to

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trameter followed by iambic trameter. It's Amazing

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Grace. It is exactly Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace,

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how sweet the sound. Hope is the thing with feathers

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that perches in the soul. And I have to bring

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this up because the notes mentioned it and I

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actually tried it before we started recording.

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It's also the theme song to Gilligan's Island.

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It is the exact same mathematical structure.

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You can sing this poem perfectly to the tune

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of Gilligan's Island. The minnow would be lost.

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The minnow would be lost. So why did she do that?

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Was she just copying what she heard in church

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from people like Isaac Watts or Phoebe Hinsdale

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Brown? Or is there something more subversive

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happening here? Because Dickinson wasn't exactly

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a traditional churchgoer. This is where the scholarship

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gets really juicy. There's a scholar named Victoria

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N. Morgan who argues that this isn't just homage

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or copying, it's parody, or at least a reassessment.

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How so? What is she reassessing? Think about

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what hymns are actually for. They are for communal

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worship. They are for dogma. They are for organized

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religion. God is great. Follow the rules. Here

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is the doctrine. Dickinson takes that structure,

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that very rigid, churchy container, and she fills

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it with something wild. She fills it with the

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bird. Right. She's using the church's rhythm

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to describe a spirituality that has absolutely

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nothing to do with the church. The bird doesn't

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ask for tithes. It doesn't ask for prayers. It

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doesn't ask for a crumb. It just is. So she's

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subverting the form to reclaim the concept of

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hope from 19th century Christian dogma and make

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it incredibly personal. That's a Trojan horse

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strategy. It sounds like a hymn, so you let it

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in. Yeah. But once it's inside your head, you

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realize it's rewriting the theology. Exactly.

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It uses the familiar to deliver the radical.

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And she disrupts that hymn feeling visually,

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too. We have to talk about the dashes. The dashes.

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If you look at the Wikipedia page for the poem,

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specifically the transcription section, it's

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just full of them. Lines don't end with periods.

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They end with these long horizontal lines. Nine

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lines end with dashes. For a long time, early

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critics just thought she was messy or that she

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literally didn't know how to use a comma. They

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thought it was just scratch notes. But modern

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scholars have a very different take on that.

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Yes. Scholar Ina Youm has this beautiful description.

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She says the dashes create visible breath. Visible

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breath. What does that mean for the listener?

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Try reading the poem aloud with the dashes. You

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can't read it smoothly. You can't just chant

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it like a zombie in a pew. Hope is the thing

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with feathers. That perches in the soul. You

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have to stop. You have to hesitate. You have

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to gasp almost. It creates a caesura, a pause.

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It breaks the rhythm. It makes the poem sound

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urgent, almost breathless. Like the bird is hopping.

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Fluttering around. Or like the speaker is physically

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overwhelmed by the feeling. It takes that smooth

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Gilligan's Island rhythm and makes it jagged.

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It makes it staccato. It forces you to pay attention

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to each individual phrase. It basically stops

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it from becoming a lullaby. She does that with

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capitalization too, right? Hope is capitalized.

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Bird is capitalized. Extremity is capitalized.

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Right. In German, you capitalize all nouns, but

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in English, you usually only capitalize proper

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nouns like names or places. By capitalizing extremity,

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she's turning a situation into a place. You aren't

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just in a bad mood. You are in the land of extremity.

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And hope isn't just a noun. It's a name. It's

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an entity. It's a full character. There's one

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more technical detail that I thought was super

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nerdy, but really changes how you hear the first

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line. The reversed foot. Ah, yes. Helen Vendler's

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observation. This is brilliant. So normal iambic

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meter is da -d -u -m. Soft. Loud. The thing is

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da -d -u -m. But the poem starts with the word

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hope. And you don't say hope. You say hope. Right.

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You hit it hard. That's a trochee. D -U -M. She

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reverses the rhythm on the very first word. She

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doesn't ease you into the poem. She bangs the

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gong immediately. Hope is the thing. It's like

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a really startling entrance. It is. It arrests

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your attention. It's another reason why this

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isn't just a sweet little nursery rhyme. It's

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mechanically designed to grab you by the collar.

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It pushes you off balance right from the first

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syllable. So we have this complex, subversive,

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mechanically intricate poem. And yet the critics,

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the source mentioned, that despite all this,

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some people still call it... Simple. It's the

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curse of accessibility. Because the metaphor

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works so well, hope equals bird, it's easy to

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get it and move on. Some critics called it childlike

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in its simplicity. They think the quatrains are

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too tidy. They think because it's not overtly

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confusing, it's not deep. But Helen Bendler disagrees

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with that. Strongly. Bendler argues that the

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simplicity is a trap, or rather, a delivery mechanism.

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She calls them teasing riddles. If the poem were

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incredibly obscure and used massive Latin words,

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you'd analyze it with your brain. But because

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it uses simple words and a nursery rhyme rhythm,

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it slips right past your defenses. It hits you

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emotionally before you can even analyze it intellectually.

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Exactly. It completely bypasses the gatekeeper.

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And the proof is in the pudding. Look at the

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legacy section of the source material. This poem

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is everywhere. It's been set to music by choirs.

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Susan LaBar, Christopher Tinn, it's a massive

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staple in choral music. And not just choirs.

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The notes mentioned an alt country band too.

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Trailer Bride. They named their final album,

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Hope is a Thing, with feathers. It totally crosses

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genres. You've got highbrow, classical composers,

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and alternative country bands both looking at

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this text and saying, yes, that's it. That is

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the exact feeling. It speaks to the universality

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of the storm. and the universality of the resilience.

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I think that's why it endures so well. We all

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know what it feels like to be in the chillest

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land. We all know what it feels like when the

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logic runs out. And we all recognize that strange,

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illogical thing that keeps singing anyway. So

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we've gone from a hand -sewn booklet hidden in

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a drawer in 1861 to a global anthem. We've unpacked

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the bird, the gale, the hymn meter, and the visible

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breath of the dashes. We have. And I think we've

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successfully argued that while it might look

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nice on a tote bag, it is doing a lot more heavy

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lifting than a simple slogan. It's a machine

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for resilience. A machine for resilience. I really

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like that description. Before we wrap up, though,

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I want to leave you, the listener, with a final

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thought to mull over. Something that wasn't explicitly

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spelled out in the poem, but is heavily implied

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by everything we've discussed today. Go for it.

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The source noted that Dickinson often used birds

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to describe acts of worship. And we've established

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that this bird is completely separate from the

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speaker. It asks for no crumb. It operates entirely

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independently. Right. It's not a pet. It's a

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wild animal. So here's the question for you to

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think about. If hope is this wild, independent

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creature that lives in us, but doesn't answer

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to us, Does that mean we've been thinking about

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hope wrong this whole time? We usually talk about

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practicing hope or trying to be hopeful. Like

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it's a muscle we have to flex or a daily chore

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we have to do. Exactly. But Dickinson seems to

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be suggesting that hope isn't something we do.

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It's something we host. It's a habitat we provide.

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Wow, that changes everything. It means that when

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you're in the deepest depression and you can't

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quote unquote do anything, the bird might still

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be there. You don't have to power it. You just

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have to let it perch. Just let it perch. Something

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to think about the next time you find yourself

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in a gale. Thanks for taking this deep dive with

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us. See you next time.
