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I want to start today's deep dive with a bit

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of a contradiction. OK, I'm listening. Because

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usually when you look at a map, a specific point,

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a set of coordinates, it represents one thing.

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Right, like a house or a bridge or whatever.

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Exactly. But we have a set of coordinates today

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for you that seems to be having a bit of an identity

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crisis. And it's a crisis that actually tells

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us a lot about how history gets written. Yeah.

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So the coordinates are 45 degrees, 38 minutes

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north, and 23 degrees, 13 minutes east. Now,

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if you punch that into a GPS, you are going to

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land right in the middle of Hunadora County in

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Romania. Beautiful area. It is. And if you look

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at the official database entry for this exact

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spot, the classification is, well, it's very

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clear. It says Feli Albe. It says Castra. Right.

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Which is the Latin word for a military fort.

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So, case closed. We're doing a deep dive on a

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Roman fort. Well, if you stop reading at the

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headline, sure, it's a Roman fort. But the minute

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you start, you know, pulling the actual files,

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the papers written by the people who dug the

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place up, that label really starts to keel off.

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And that is exactly what we are unpacking today.

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We are looking at Faeil Al Bay. On paper, it's

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a Roman auxiliary fort in the province of Dacia.

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But in the footnotes, it's described as something

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entirely different. A Dacian settlement. Yeah.

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And we're going to figure out why those two things

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are fighting for space on the exact same hill.

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And who exactly decided to put them there? Because

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this is really an exercise in reading between

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the lines of a database. We have a physical location,

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we have administrative labels, and we have a

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list of archaeologists. And some of the biggest

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names in the field, too. Absolutely. People who

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spent years arguing about what this place actually

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was. So let's ground ourselves first. We're in

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Hanador County. For anyone listening who hasn't

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backpacked through Romania, paint the picture.

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Why is this specific spot important in the grand

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scheme of ancient history in Transylvania? Well,

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you really have to understand the geography to

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understand the conflict here. Juanadora isn't

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just some random province. In the ancient world,

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this was the absolute heartland of the Dacian

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kingdom. This is where their capital was located.

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It's rugged, it's highly defensible, and crucially,

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it was incredibly rich in resources. We're talking

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gold iron. Gold iron timber. So when the Romans

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showed up, this wasn't like marching into an

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open plain. They were walking into a massive

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fortress region. Right. A really hostile environment

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for invading army. Exactly. And that is why the

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administrative layers we see in the source material

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are so interesting. The entry lists the province

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as Dacia, which is the broad term, right? Yeah.

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But then it gets much more specific. It lists

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Dacia Apulensis and Dacia Superior. I wanted

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to ask you about that, actually, because to me,

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that just looked like I don't know, bureaucratic

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noise. Like someone listing USA and then North

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America. Why do we need three different names

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for the exact same patch of dirt? Because the

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names represent time, not just space. Oh, interesting.

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Yeah. Rome didn't just conquer Dacia and leave

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it as is. They were constantly tweaking how they

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managed it because it was such a difficult frontier

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to hold onto. So it was an evolving situation.

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Exactly. Dacia superior was an administrative

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division that was created shortly after the initial

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conquest. But later on, things get reshuffled

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again and you get Dacia Appulensis. So finding

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fail LB. listed under both of those specific

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labels. That's not a typo in the database. No,

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not at all. It's essentially a timeline. It tells

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us that this site, whatever it was, was active

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and significant enough to be tracked through

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multiple major reorganizations of the Roman Empire.

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It survived the red tape. If it was just a temporary

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marching camp, it wouldn't necessarily show up

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in these later distinct administrative layers.

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OK, so we have a site that persisted. It's sitting

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there in the mountains of Transylvania, just

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watching the empire change the map. around it.

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Yeah. But this brings us back to the main event.

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The classification. Right. The big bold text

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on the file says Roman Castra. Which is a facility

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for auxiliary troops. Meaning non -citizen soldiers

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fighting for Rome. Correct. But then I looked

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at the bibliography for this site. This is where

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I got really confused. There is a primary reference

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from 1969. It's by Hadrian Daikoviciu and Ioan

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Gladiario. Two absolute legends in the field.

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Right. And the title of their paper is in Romanian.

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But the translation is, well, it's pretty problematic

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for the whole Roman fort theory. Feed the translation

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for us. It says considerations on the chronology

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of the Dacian settlement at Faele Albi. And there

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is the tension. Yeah. How do you get Roman fort

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as the main database category when the primary

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source material is literally titled Dacian settlement?

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Are we looking at a mistake? Did someone file

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this wrong? We aren't looking at a mistake at

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all. We are looking at stratigraphy. Meaning

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the layers of dirt? The layers of dirt, yes,

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but also a layering of history. This is arguably

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the most common problem in Roman archaeology,

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specifically in a place like Dacia. You always

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have to ask the question, what was there before

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the Romans arrived? And you mentioned earlier

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this was the Dacian heartland, so presumably

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people were already living there. Exactly. Phaeli

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Albi is incredibly close to the Doshan capital.

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It was a major terraced settlement. It had civilian

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habitation, likely distinct Dacian architecture,

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maybe even high religious significance. OK. When

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the Romans finally conquered the area, they didn't

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just bulldoze everything and leave it completely

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flat. They repurposed it. Often, yes. Or they

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built a military installation right on top of

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the burned ruins to ensure the locals didn't

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come back and try to rebuild. A show of force.

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Very much so. So when Dekoviciu and Gluderia

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are writing about the Dacian settlement in 1969,

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they are actively analyzing the indigenous roots

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of the site. The bottom layer. Right. But the

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database, which classifies it strictly as a castra,

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is focusing almost entirely on the imperial overlay,

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the Roman military presence that came afterward.

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It kind of feels like the database is burying

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the lead a bit. By just calling it a Roman fort,

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it almost erases the people who were there first.

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That is a very modern way to look at it, and

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it's a completely valid point. Roman administrative

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records tend to dominate our view of history

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because the Romans were the ones writing things

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down and building massive structures in stone.

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Yeah, they left a very loud footprint. They did.

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But the actual artifacts pulled out of the ground

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tells the story of the settlement that predates

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them. And this is where another specific book

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mentioned in the source material really comes

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in. It's called The Dation Stones Speak by Paul

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Lachlan McKendrick. Ah, yes, a classic published

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in 1975. The title alone, The Dation Stones Speak,

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it seems to take a definitive side in this argument.

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It's not called The Roman Forts Speak. That's

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a great point. McKendrick was trying to synthesize

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the complex archaeology of Romania for an English

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-speaking audience. He was very interested in

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that persistence of local culture. So he wasn't

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just interested in the Conquers? No. He wasn't

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just looking at standard Roman walls. He was

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looking at how the Dacian identity survived or

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mutated under Roman rule. So Fae Ali Albi is

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practically the poster child. for his entire

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book. It's a place where you can point to the

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map and say, here is the native settlement and

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here is the imperial fort that sat right on top

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of it. And that duality is exactly why those

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coordinates, 45 degrees, 38 minutes north, 23

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degrees, 13 minutes east, are so heavy with meaning.

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It's not just a spot on a map. No, it's a crash

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site between two major civilizations. I want

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to pivot a little bit to the people who are actually

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doing the digging. The source material lists

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a lot of names. I mean, we have Alexandra Volpe,

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Ion Glideriu, I own PISO. Hadrian Daikoviciu,

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A. Rusu, Eugen Yaroslavsky, M. Barbalescu, and

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T. Sorosianou. It feels like a roll call. It's

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not just a roll call, though. It's a lineage.

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These aren't just random researchers who spent

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a weekend in the dirt. If you study Roman Dacia,

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these are the absolute titans of the field. Who

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stands out to you the most from that list? Yeah.

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Because the names Hadrian Daikoviciu and Ioan

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Gladeriu just keep popping up in the references.

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They wrote that 1969 paper we were just talking

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about. Hadrian Daikoviciu is a tower. His father,

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Constantin Daicovici, was also a massive figure

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in Romanian archaeology. Together, they practically

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defined the modern study of the Dussian fortresses.

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Oh, wow. So when you see Hadrian Daicovici's

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name attached to Fiele Alba, it signals immediately

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that this site was considered a top priority.

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Why is that? What makes it such a priority for

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someone of his stature? Because of that exact

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settlement versus fort question we've been discussing,

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Daikoviciu was deeply invested in understanding

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the Dacian state on its own terms. He wasn't

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just hunting for Roman eagles and Latin inscriptions.

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He wanted the local story. He wanted to know

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how the Dacian society functioned before it was

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dismantled. So for him to focus so heavily on

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Fili Albi suggests he saw it as a key piece of

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the puzzle regarding the Dacian defensive network,

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not just another Roman outpost. And what about

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the Lodario? Iowa and Gloudera was brilliant

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at analyzing the architecture and the complex

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trade networks of the region when they teamed

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up for that 1969 paper in Acta Musei Napotensis.

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Let's pause on that. Acta Musei Napotensis. That's

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the specific journal listed in the footnotes,

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right? Volume six. Yes. And this is vital context

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for the listener. We are talking about the late

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1960s. This site was being actively analyzed

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and debated during a very specific era. Right.

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And the research is coming out in this specific

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academic volume, showing that the scholarly community

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was intensely focused on unraveling the timeline

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of this one location. It's fascinating because

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it highlights this real tension. We have the

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dry Western classification in the database. calling

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it a Roman fort. But then we have the 1969 paper

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diving deep into the chronology of the Dacian

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settlement. Exactly. It really emphasizes how

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you just can't read the summary of a historical

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site and walk away thinking, you know, the whole

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story. You have to look at who is writing the

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papers and when they are writing them. Absolutely.

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Speaking of when, let's talk about the timeline

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of the sources themselves. The Dykevichy and

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Glodaria paper in Acta Musei and Opus Sensis

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is from 1969. The McKendrick book from the University

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of North Carolina Press is from 1975. That's

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a six -year gap. Which, in the pre -internet

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era, is actually pretty fast for international

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academic translation and synthesis. It is, but

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it also highlights a massive barrier in how history

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gets shared, doesn't it? If I'm an archaeology

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student in the U .S. in 1970, I have absolutely

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no idea this conversation about Phalaeolbe is

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even happening, unless I can read Romanian. and

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somehow have a subscription to Acta Musaenopisensis?

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That is spot on. And that is exactly why McKendrick

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acts as the vital bridge here. He reads the reports.

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He understands the significance of what Daikoviciu

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and Gliderio are arguing. And he brings that

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nuanced knowledge back to the English speaking

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world through the University of North Carolina

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Press. So without McKendrick publishing in 1975,

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Faley Albee might just remain a simple Roman

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Ford in English literature indefinitely. It's

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very likely. McKendrick's work allowed international

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audiences to see the Dacian stones underneath

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the Roman administration. It's a great reminder

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that archaeological knowledge travels slowly

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across language barriers, and it often risks

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getting simplified in transit. Yeah, so if we

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look at the source text we have today... for

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this deep dive, this short entry with just some

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coordinates, a couple of administrative tags

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and a few references. It's really a compression

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of all that immense effort. I like to think of

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it as a zip file of history. You have the coordinates,

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which are the physical reality. You have the

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administrative tags like Decius Superior and

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Deci Apulensis, which represent the Roman bureaucracy.

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And then you have the bibliography, which is

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the modern academic struggle to define what actually

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happened there. And the struggle itself. seems

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to be the main point. It's not really about winning

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the argument of whether it's a fort or a town.

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It's about acknowledging that for the people

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who actually lived there, it was a layered reality.

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It was a reality that fundamentally changed.

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Imagine living in Fele Albi right before the

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Roman conquest. It's a thriving Dacian settlement.

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You have your home, your pottery, your daily

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routine. And then just a few years later, after

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the war, it's a Roman auxiliary castra. It's

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the exact same coordinates, the exact same sun.

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rise over the mountains, but it is a completely

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different world. The fort and the settlement

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aren't contradictory at all. They are just sequential

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chapters in the exact same book. That is a really

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haunting way to put it. The coordinates don't

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move, but the entire world changes around them.

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And the archaeologists we listed, Volpe, Piso,

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Rusu, Aeroslavski, Barbulescu, Sorosianu, Daikovichu,

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Ladaryu, they are all just trying to read those

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chapters out of the dirt. It really makes me

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wonder about all the other short stubs or brief

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entries in these historical databases. You know,

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you see a name and a coordinate and you just

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scroll past it. But every single one of them

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probably has a dedicated team of scholars who

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spent a decade of their life trying to figure

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out what was really there. There are no boring

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archaeological sites. There are only sites we

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haven't bothered to read the footnotes for yet.

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I think that's the perfect takeaway for today.

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The tag Dacia Superior sounds incredibly dry

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at first glance, but it represents the logistics

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of a massive empire. The names in the bibliography

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sound like just another academic citation, but

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they represent a rigorous, decades -long effort

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to uncover a localized history. And Fayal Albi

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sounds like just another dot on a map. but it's

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a literal and figurative battlefield of identity.

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And it's all just sitting there at 45 degrees,

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38 minutes north, 23 degrees, 13 minutes east,

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waiting for someone to notice the details. Well,

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we noticed today. We did. And it leaves me with

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one final thought for you as we wrap up. If a

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site listed as a simple fort with just some coordinates

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and a lift of names holds this much hidden conflict,

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How much more history is sitting right now in

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untranslated footnotes, just waiting for someone

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to finally read the title of a 50 -year -old

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research paper? Always check the stratigraphy

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of your sources. Thanks for taking this deep

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dive with us. Until next time.
