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I want to start today with a bit of a riddle.

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OK. Actually, it's more of a personality quiz

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for an entire nation. I want you to picture a

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dinner party, a very high stakes and honestly

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very confusing dinner party. I'm already intrigued.

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Who exactly is on this guest list? OK. So at

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this table, you have seated the following people.

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First, you have a former United States Secretary

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of State, a four star general. Right. Next to

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him, you have the Emir of Kuwait. Okay, a bit

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of a pivot. Across the table sits a retired British

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appellate judge. Next to him is an Italian TV

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broadcaster. A TV broadcaster. Yeah. And finally,

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in the empty chair at the head of the table.

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Yeah, the empty chair. An empty chair. Because

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seated there is an assassinated politician. That

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honestly sounds like the setup to a very complicated...

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with a niche geopolitical joke, or maybe a meeting

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of the UN that went completely off the rails.

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It does, doesn't it? It sounds like a random

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number generator just picked the guest side of

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a hat. But it's not a joke, and it's not random

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at all. This is an actual list. So the question

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for you listening is, what on earth do all of

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these entities, because obviously one of them

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isn't even a single person, what do they all

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have in common? And just to ground this for everyone

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listening, we aren't talking about... A conspiracy

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theory here. These aren't members of some secret

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society meeting in a basement somewhere. No,

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not at all. These people are linked by a very

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specific, very official thread that's found right

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there in public government records. Exactly.

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They're all recipients of the Gjergj Kastrioti

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Skanderbeg decoration. It is one of the highest

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honorary state decorations given by the Republic

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of Albania. And that is exactly what we are unpacking

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in this deep dive today. Because on the surface,

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if you just glance at the source material, it's

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really just a list of names. It looks administrative.

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Boring even. Yeah, boring. But if you actually

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stop and look at who is on this list and crucially

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why they're there, It stops being a simple list

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of names and it starts becoming a map. A map

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of what, exactly? A map of survival. I mean,

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a map of high -stakes strategy. This single medal

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gives us a forensic look at how a small nation

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like Albania navigates the modern world. Which

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is fascinating! We're going to see how they balance

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superpowers, how they attract foreign wealth,

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how they honor their own scars, and perhaps most

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surprisingly, how they fight to keep their culture

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alive in a completely globalized world. So we're

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treating this medal as a lens to understand a

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country's entire worldview. I love that. But

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before we get to the celebrities and the emirs,

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we really have to establish the ground rules.

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What exactly is this object we're talking about?

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Right. The Jujurd -Castrioti -Scenderbu decoration.

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It is a state decoration awarded by the president

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of Albania. Now the name itself is the very first

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clue to his weight. Scenderbu, or Scanderbeg

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in English. Right. Jurd -Castrioti -Scanderbeg.

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If you aren't familiar with Balkan history, or

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if you've never visited Tirana, you really cannot

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overstate this man's importance. No, you can't.

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The source material describes him simply as the

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national hero of the Albanian people. Which feels

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like a bit of an understatement given his actual

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legacy, right? It is a massive understatement.

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He was a 15th century military commander who

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led a decade -long rebellion against the Ottoman

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Empire. Wow! He held up a superpower for 25 years.

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In the Albanian consciousness, he isn't just

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a historical figure. He is the ultimate symbol

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of resistance identity and survival. He is the

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founding myth. His helmet is literally on the

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flag. So naming the medal after him is essentially

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the highest compliment the state can pay. It's

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their version of the Legion of Honor or the Congressional

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Medal of Honor. Precisely. It invokes the spirit

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of the nation's greatest defender. And because

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the name carries that incredible weight, the

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criteria for getting it are very, very specific.

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Why are they? Well, the source says it is awarded

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for important contributions or specific heroic

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acts for three things, the defense, the strengthening

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and the advancement of the Republic of Albania.

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Defense, strengthening and advancement. I want

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to keep those three pillars in mind, because

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as we go through this list, I think we're going

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to see that the definition of defense is much

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broader than just guns and ammo. It definitely

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is. But before we move on to that, I need to

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make one technical clarification. OK. This is

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important because the terminology can get quite

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confusing. And if you're ever at a diplomatic

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reception in Toronto, you do not want to mix

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this up. You have to distinguish this decoration

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from the Order of Skanderbeg. Oh, I noticed that

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in the notes. There's a big distinction there.

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A massive one. The Order is a dynastic award.

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That is given by the Albanian royal family. The

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descendants of the monarchy King Zog's line.

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Right. The decoration we are analyzing today

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is a state award from the Republic. So one is

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from a would -be king and the other is from the

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elected president. Correct. We are looking at

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the government's choices here, not the monarchies.

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This is the state speaking about who matters

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to the state. Got it. Republic, not royals. And

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looking at the eligibility for this, it seems

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pretty open. Yes. And that is key to our analysis.

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It is eligible to both Albanians and foreign

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nationals. And honestly, The foreign nationals

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are where the geopolitical story really gets

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interesting. Why is that? Because when a country

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gives a medal to a foreigner, they're sending

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a message to the rest of the world. Let's get

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into that list then, because when I was scrubbing

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through the recipients, the first group that

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jumped out at me were the heavy hitters. We are

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talking about legitimate global power players.

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You are seeing the defense aspect of the criteria

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in action right there. This is Albania shoring

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up its security through alliances. I'm looking

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specifically at 2003. Who gets the medal? Colin

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Powell. At the time, a retired U .S. general

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and the former secretary of state. Context is

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everything here. Look at the date. 2003. Post

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9 -11. Exactly. Post 9 -11. The early stages

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of the Iraq war context. Albania, having emerged

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from decades of extreme isolation under communism,

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was very keen to demonstrate its loyalty to the

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Atlantic alliance. By honoring Colin Powell,

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the Albanian state is sending a massive signal.

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It's a signal of alignment. It's basically saying,

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we pick this side. Exactly. It's a way of saying,

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we are with you. And reciprocally, thank you

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for being with us. Remember, US intervention

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in the Balkans in the 90s is a defining memory

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for the region. Right. Without US involvement,

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the map of the Balkans might look very different

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today. Honoring Powell is cementing that specific

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bond. And he's not the only American official

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on the list either. We see Rosemary DeCarlo,

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a career diplomat, and Jonathan and more. It

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feels like a very deliberate strategy to keep

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Washington close. Absolutely. For a small country

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in a volatile neighborhood, access to the U .S.

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State Department is a survival mechanism. These

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medals are diplomatic currency. They build relationships.

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They build personal relationships. But notice

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it's not just the U .S. If you look at the European

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names, you see a similar pattern of cementing

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alliances, but with a slightly different flavor.

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Right. I see Giorgio Napolitano, the president

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of Italy. That makes sense. Italy is right across

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the water. Then you have Michael Spindalegger,

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the foreign minister of Austria, and the Norris

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Tack, a German politician. These are key European

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power centers. Italy, Austria, Germany. These

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are the countries that hold the keys to European

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integration. Albania wants to be part of the

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EU. honoring these figures is a way of acknowledging

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their support in that long, difficult process.

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It's almost like a who's who of people Albanian

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needs on speed dial. In a way, yes. But it's

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deeper than just shaking hands at a summit. I

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want to draw your attention to Henry Brooke.

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The British judge. I saw that. Sir Henry Brooke.

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Yes, a retired British Court of Appeal judge.

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Now pause for a second. Why does a British judge

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get a medal named after a 15th century warrior

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who fought the Ottomans with a sword? I honestly

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assumed he did something heroic. Or maybe presided

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over a specific case that helped Albania internationally.

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He did help them, but in a very specific context.

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The source notes he was honored specifically

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for services to justice reform. OK, so that connects

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back to the criteria strengthening the republic.

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Exactly. This is where the definition of defense

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expands. Strengthening the republic isn't just

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about tanks and NATO treaties. It's about the

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legal system itself. Does that make sense? For

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a post -communist country transitioning to democracy.

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Judicial reform is arguably the hardest battle

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they face. Corruption can destroy a state just

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as effectively as an invading army can. So honoring

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a British judge is a way of acknowledging that

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a functioning court system is just as vital to

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the nation's survival as a military alliance.

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Correct. It acknowledges that the rule of law

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is a central pillar of the state. So you have

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the American military might, the European diplomatic

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corps, and British legal expertise. All covered

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by this one single medal. It paints a picture

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of a country that is firmly, firmly looking west.

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It's integrating itself into the Euro -Atlantic

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framework. It's saying, we are part of this club.

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That is the primary narrative, yes. But, and

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here's where the plot kind of thickens. It's

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not just looking west. Because if you scroll

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down that recipient list, you suddenly leave

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Europe entirely. You cross the Mediterranean

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and land squarely in the Middle East. This is

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the development aspect of the award kicking in.

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And this is where Albania's strategy gets very

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pragmatic. We're talking about royalty from the

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Gulf. We have Hamad bin Khalifa al -Thani, the

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emir of Qatar. We have Abdullah bin Zayed al

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-Nahyan, the former minister of the UAE. It creates

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a fascinating balance, doesn't it? You have the

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NATO commanders on one side and the Gulf leaders

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on the other. Albania is diversifying its portfolio

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of friends. And there's one specific example

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that I think perfectly illustrates why they are

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getting this award. It's almost transactionally

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transparent. the Emir of Kuwait, Saba al -Amar

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al -Jaber al -Asaba, he got the medal in 2012.

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Yes. The citation for that award is incredibly

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telling. It's very specific. The source explicitly

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says he got it for his, quote, financial contribution

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to the reconstruction of the Skanderbeg Square,

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end quote. Connect the dots there. The medal

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is named Skanderbeg. The main square in the capital,

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Tirana, is Skanderbeg Square. Right. The Emirate

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Kuwait writes the check to fix up the square,

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and in return he receives the Skanderbeg decoration.

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It's incredible literal. You fix the namesake

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square here as the namesake's medal? It is, but

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you shouldn't dismiss it as just a receipt. It's

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symbolic of modern statecraft. Development is

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one of the pillars of the award. In a modern

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context, securing funding for major infrastructure

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projects, making the capital city look like a

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modern European capital, that is a high service

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to the state. It is interesting, though. Skanderbeg

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was famous for fighting the East, specifically

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the Ottomans. And now the medal named after him

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is being used to thank leaders from the East

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for rebuilding his square. That is the irony

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of history, isn't it? But it's also the flexibility

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of modern diplomacy. Albania is recognizing that

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to strengthen the republic, you need diverse

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resources. You can't just rely on one group.

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Right. You need security guarantees from the

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West. But you also need development capital,

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and often that capital comes from the Gulf. So

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the metal essentially bridges those two worlds.

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It says we value your money just as much as we

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value their protection. Precisely. It's a survival

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strategy. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

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OK, so we've covered the global stage. We've

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been to Washington, Brussels and Kuwait city.

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But we have to talk about the neighborhood, because

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a significant number of these recipients are

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from the Balkans. Naturally. You cannot separate

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Albania from the broader Albanian ethnic region,

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specifically Kosovo. We see Futmer Sijju, the

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president of Kosovo. We see Ramush Hardinash,

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the former prime minister of Kosovo. This signals

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regional solidarity. By awarding the leaders

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of Kosovo the highest state decoration, Albania

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is reinforcing the bond between the two populations.

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Right. It's an acknowledgement of their shared

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struggle and shared political destiny. It's stating

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your leaders are our heroes, too. And it's not

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just the external leaders, either. There's mention

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of internal politics, too, like Faros Nano, the

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former prime minister of Albania. But what really

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struck me most about the domestic list is the

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tragic element. There are several posthumous

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awards. Yes. This is where the medal serves a

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completely different function. It stops being

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a tool of diplomacy and becomes a tool of memory.

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The name Azem Hajdari stands out. The source

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describes him as an assassinated Albanian politician.

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Hajdari was a key figure in the student movement

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that helped bring down communism in the early

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90s. He was a turbulent, charismatic figure in

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the democratization process. He was decorated

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posthumously in 2008. And Sebregoto, a writer,

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screenwriter, and politician, also decorated

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posthumously. When the state does this, awarding

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the dead, It's doing something very different

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than when it awards a foreign diplomat. How do

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you mean? It's canonizing them. It's saying this

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person's life and their death was for the strengthening

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of the republic. Yeah. It weaves their personal

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story into the official national history. It

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makes them permanent. Exactly. It elevates them

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to the level of Skanderbeg himself. a defender

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of the nation. It creates a pantheon, basically.

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It's telling the citizens, these are your saints.

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Exactly. It tells the next generation who to

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look up to. It says a political sacrifice is

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recognized and honored. It binds the trauma of

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the past, like the assassination of Hajdari,

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into the strength of the modern state. It's fascinating

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how one physical object, this piece of metal

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and ribbon, can mean thank you for the money,

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thank you for the protection, and we will never

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forget your sacrifice all at the exact same time.

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It is a multi -purpose tool of state identity.

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But there's one more category that I think is

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the most surprising. And in my opinion, the most

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profound. I think I know exactly where you're

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going. We've done defense. We've done development.

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We've done politics. Now we have to talk about

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culture. We have to. Because if you look closely,

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the list includes poets. It includes historians.

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It moves away from the hard power of generals

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and politicians and right into the soft power

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of ideas. I saw Sabri Hamidi. The source says

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he was awarded for irreplaceable contribution

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to modern Albanian thought. Modern Albanian thought.

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Just pausing that for a second. That is a magnificent

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phrase for a government citation. It really is.

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Usually, governments reward action. You built

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a bridge, you won a battle, you signed a treaty.

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This is rewarding thinking. It acknowledges that

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philosophy, literature, and ideas are a genuine

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form of national service. And next, I hear Spahiu,

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decorated for contribution to national culture.

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And Aleksandr Stepchevich, the historian and

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archaeologist. These aren't people leading armies

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or signing treaties. They're writing books. But

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in the Balkans, writing history is a form of

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defense. Establishing your narrative? Your origin,

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your culture? That is how you maintain your identity

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against larger powers who might want to erase

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it or claim it as their own. That makes a lot

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of sense. The historian is a soldier in the battle

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for memory. Wow. But the one that really stopped

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me in my tracks, the one that made me go, wait,

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is this a typo? Was the award given recently

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in October 2023? You're talking about RAI Calabria.

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Yes. It's a TV station. Right. Well, a branch

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of the Italian broadcaster by REI. It seems odd

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at first glance, doesn't it? Putting a regional

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TV branch on the exact same shelf as Kellen Powell

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or an assassinated martyr, it feels like a category

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error. It seems very odd. I mean, why did a TV

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station get the highest state honor? Did they

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produce a really good documentary or something?

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The source explains it clearly. They were awarded

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for their significant contribution to preserving

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the Arboreshi culture and language. Can you unpack

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that for us? Because I think a lot of you listening

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might not know who the Arboreshi are or why they

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matter so much to Albania. The Arboreshi are

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an Albanian community living in southern Italy.

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But they aren't recent immigrants. They didn't

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arrive on boats in the 1990s. Okay. They fled

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Albania centuries ago. actually right after the

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death of Skanderbeg himself in the 15th century

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to escape the Ottoman conquest. So they have

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been in Italy for 500 years. Over 500 years.

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And miraculously, they have kept their distinct

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language, their customs and their identity alive

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in Italy all that time. They're essentially a

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living time castle of medieval Albania. That

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is incredible resilience. Five centuries. It

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is. And RAI Calabria The regional branch of the

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Italian State Broadcaster produces regular programming

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specifically for this community. So they broadcast

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in the language itself. Exactly. They broadcast

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in the Arboreshi dialect. They tell the local

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stories. They keep the dialect breathing in a

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digital age. And the president of Albania decided

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that this act, keeping the language alive across

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the Adriatic Sea, was worthy of the Skanderbeg

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decoration. That is a profound statement on what

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actually constitutes defense. It is the ultimate

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statement. It says that the nation isn't just

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borders and armies. The nation is the language.

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The nation is the culture. If the language dies

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the nation disappears, no matter how many tanks

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you have or how many treaties you sign. So by

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broadcasting a TV show in an old dialect, this

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Italian media outlet is in the eyes of the state

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defending the Republic. They are defending the

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very soul of the Republic, and that's why they

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get the medal. It puts the preservation of identity

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on the exact same pedestal as geopolitical security.

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It elevates the cultural worker to the rank of

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the general. It's a really incredible spectrum.

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When you look at it all together, you realize

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that a state has to operate on so many different

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levels simultaneously just to exist. It really

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strips away the simplicity of foreign policy.

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It shows that survival is a complex ecosystem.

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So let's try to pull this all together. We started

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with a riddle. What connects a U .S. general,

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a Kuwaiti emir and an Italian TV station? And

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the answer is there are all pillars that hold

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up the house. That's a great way to put it. If

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you were a small nation like Albania. You cannot

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survive on your own. You don't have the luxury

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of isolation. You absolutely need the hard power

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That's Colin Powell in the NATO Alliance. You

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need that shield, right? Right, but you also

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need the soft power and infrastructure That's

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the emir of Kuwait in the Skanderbeg Square.

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You need investment to make life livable and

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modern And you need the political will that's

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the regional leaders and the domestic politicians

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who sacrificed for the system. And finally, you

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need the soul. You need the soul. That's the

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writers, the thinkers, and yes, the broadcasters

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who ensure that 500 years from now, someone is

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still speaking the language. It's amazing how

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a single Wikipedia list, if you actually take

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the time to read it, can reveal the entire survival

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strategy of a country. It's not just a list of

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awards. It's a list of values. And it shows that

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national defense is a much wider concept than

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we usually think. It's not just about stopping

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an invasion. It's about building a square where

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people can gather. It's about writing a book

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that challenges how people think. It's about

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broadcasting a song in your grandmother's language.

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All of that is Skanderbeg. All of that is Skanderbeg.

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It really makes you think about how we define

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contribution in our own societies. That is a

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powerful place to leave it. But before we go,

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I want to leave you listening with one final

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thought to chew on. What's that? We live in a

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world where we constantly obsess over military

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budgets and trade deals. We track where the aircraft

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carriers are going. We look at GDP growth quarter

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by quarter. But here is a nation that officially

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equates modern thought and cultural preservation

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with national defense. They give them the exact

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same medal. It really makes you wonder about

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our own priorities. Exactly. If we started viewing

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our artists and our teachers as being just as

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critical to our national survival as our generals,

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how different would our own societies look? That

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is a question definitely worth exploring. Thanks

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for joining us on this deep dive. A pleasure

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as always.
