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Welcome back to the deep dive. Today, we are

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doing something a little different. We aren't

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just looking at a topic. We are stepping into

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a time machine. Yeah, we really are. We are going

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back to 2013 to a Sunday night that I think legitimately

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gave half the viewing public an absolute panic

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attack. We are talking. about Breaking Bad. And

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not just Breaking Bad in general, you know. We

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are zeroing in on the episode that basically

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lit the fuse for the grand finale. Right. This

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is season five, episode 13. Taji Lee. Just saying

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that name. Uh, Tohaji Lee. It sounds almost mythical,

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doesn't it? Like, a place where legends go to

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die. It really does. And in this show, that is

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pretty much exactly what it is. You know, when

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we talk about television history, there are episodes

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that function as set up, and there are episodes

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that function as payoff. Like, the big, explosive

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ones. Exactly. But Tohaji Lee is this incredible,

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high -velocity hybrid. It starts as a careful,

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strategic chess match, and it ends as a complete

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demolition derby of literally everything Walter

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White has built. It is the tipping point. Oh,

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absolutely. And the source material we are looking

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at today for this deep dive, which is based on

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the incredibly comprehensive Wikipedia entry

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for the episode, covers the plot, break down

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the production notes, and the critical reception.

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Yeah. It is a wealth of information. It really

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is. And all of it points to this specific 47

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minutes as the precise moment the Empire business

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model officially fails. It is the exact moment

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chaos just completely takes the wheel. So here

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is the mission statement for everyone listening.

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We are going to unpack this thing scene by scene,

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beat by beat. Because you already know the plot.

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Exactly. You know the plot. You know Walt gets

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in a car. You know guns are drawn. But we want

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to understand the why. The mechanics behind the

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trap. Right. Why did the writer George Mastra

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structure it this way? Why did the director Michelle

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McLaren choose those specific wide angles? And

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why, for the love of God, did Walt make that

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phone call? That phone call is gonna take up

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a very significant portion of our brain power

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today, I can promise you that. Good, because

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I, um, I still have nightmares about it, honestly.

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It is deeply stressful television. Very. But

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before we get to the panic attack in the desert,

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let us start with segment one, the architecture

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of the episode. Who exactly built this trap?

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Well, you mentioned George Masters as the writer.

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He has been with the show a long time and handled

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some of the grittier, more plot -heavy episodes.

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Right. He knows these characters inside and out.

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He does. But the real headline here, from a production

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standpoint, is Michelle McLaren in the director's

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chair. The absolute queen of tension. Unquestionably.

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If you look at her track record on Breaking Bad,

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she directed One Minute, which is that incredible

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shootout with the cousins in the parking lot.

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Oh, wow, yeah. She also did Salude, which was

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the massacre at Don Aladio's pool. She knows

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exactly how to stage action, but more importantly,

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she knows how to stage the dread before the action.

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That is such a good distinction. Because Tohaji

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Lee isn't an action movie for the first 40 minutes.

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It is a western. It is a slow burn standoff.

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It is pure Sergio Leone. And having her pair

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up with Michael Slovis, the cinematographer,

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and Kelly Dixon, the editor. That is basically

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the A -Team right there. It really is. The visual

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language of this episode is stark. It is wide

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and it is unforgiving. They use the landscape

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of New Mexico as a character in a way that feels

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very, very final. Speaking of the landscape,

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let us talk about the title, Tohaji Lee. It refers

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to the Tohaji Lee Indian Reservation west of

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Albuquerque. But for the characters, this is

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not just a spot on a map. No, it is not. And

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this is where the writing gets really elegant.

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We have to go all the way back to the beginning,

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the pilot episode. Oh, the cow house. Cow house,

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exactly. For those who might have forgotten the

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deep lore, explain the connection here. So in

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the very first episode, when Walt and Jesse need

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a place to cook meth in the RV where they won't

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be disturbed, they drive out into the middle

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of nowhere. Into the desert. Right. And that

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location, specifically that cluster of red rock

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formations, is Tohaji Lee. It is the birthplace

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of their entire enterprise. Which makes it so

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poetic that it becomes the burial ground, right?

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It is a brilliant full circle moment, a narrative

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bookend. You have the Alpha and the Omega. Walt

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started his journey as a criminal in this exact

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dirt, wearing nothing but his underwear and a

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gas mask terrified of the sirens he thought he

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heard coming for him. Just a panicked amateur.

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Exactly. And now two years later in the show's

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timeline, he returns to the exact same spot to

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defend his massive fortune. It is interesting

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because usually when a show brings you back to

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the start, It is for nostalgia. It is a look

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how far we have come kind of moment. Right, a

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victory lap. Yeah, a victory lap. But here it

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feels like a trap. It feels like the desert has

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just been waiting for him to come back so it

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can swallow him whole. That is a really beautiful

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way to put it. The desert is completely indifferent

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to him. In the pilot, the desert offered him

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freedom and isolation. Now it offers him absolutely

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no cover. Just dead space. It is just open space

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where he can be seen from miles away. And that

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visual openness is crucial to the tension of

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the final act. There is literally nowhere to

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hide. Before we get to the heavy thematic stuff,

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I found a detail in the production notes that

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I actually didn't know before, and it kind of

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blew my mind. Oh, yeah. What was that? It is

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about the driving scene. Filming began on February

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4th, 2013, and later in the episode... Walt is

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driving like a maniac to get to the money. Ah,

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yes, the panic drive. Yeah, the panic drive.

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He is weaving through traffic, running red lights,

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screaming into his burner phone. And it turns

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out Bryan Cranston wasn't actually driving. Not

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at all. In fact, he wasn't even on the road.

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Right, that entire sequence inside the car was

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filmed on a green screen? Which is wild to me.

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Because Breaking Bad prides itself on being practical.

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They shoot on 35 millimeter film. They shoot

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on location. They love that gritty tactile texture.

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Why go green screen here? It was purely logistical.

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To get the exact shots they needed with Walt

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swerving into oncoming lanes and blowing through

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intersections, they would have had to shut down

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major arteries in Albuquerque for days. Oh, right,

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the traffic. Yeah, the budget and the city permits

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just wouldn't allow it. It was too massive of

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an undertaking for a television schedule. Now,

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here is where it gets really interesting to me.

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I have seen people. Criticize that scene online.

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They say the the lighting looks a little fake

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or the background looks detached from the car

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But honestly, I think it works better. I agree

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with you completely really Why do you think so

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because of Walt's mental state in that moment

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Walter White has fully dissociated He is in a

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fugue state of pure terror. He's not granted

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in reality at all Exactly the world outside the

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car should feel blurry and artificial He is trapped

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in this metal box with his own voice and the

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voice of his enemy on the phone. The slight uncanniness

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of the green screen actually enhances the nightmare

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quality of the sequence. He's like a fever dream.

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The background is just whizzing by like a cheap

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video game and all that matters is the phone.

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Exactly. Sometimes production limitations force

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a creative choice that ends up perfectly serving

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the psychology of the character. Whether it was

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intentional or not, it puts us right inside Walt's

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claustrophobia. OK, let us unpack the setup,

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because before Walt gets in the car, he has to

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make a deal. And this, to me, is the darkest

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move he makes in the entire series. It really

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is the crossing of the Rubicon, or perhaps the

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second or third crossing, depending on how you

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count. But this one feels totally irreversible.

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We open segment two with Walt meeting with Todd

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and the Uncle Jack crew. And the contrast is

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just so icky. Walt is trying to be the professional

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and these guys are just casually wiping their

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glasses and drinking tea. Walt is desperate.

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He feels the walls closing in on him. Jesse has

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gone rogue. Jesse tried to burn down his house.

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Right, the gasoline everywhere. Yeah. Walt realizes

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he cannot talk Jesse down anymore. The rabid

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dog metaphor they used in the previous episode,

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that is now his actual reality. So he puts a

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hit out on Jesse Penkin. He does, and notice

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how much trouble he has just saying the words

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out loud. He dances around it. He wants the result,

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but he does not want to articulate the crime.

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He is still trying to maintain that thin veneer

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of moral security. Like, I am not a murderer.

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I am just a man doing what has to be done to

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protect my family. Precisely. He asks Jack to

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handle it. But Jack, and this is why Jack is

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such a terrifying villain, Jack isn't motivated

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by cash. Walt offers to pay him and Jack basically

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just waves it off. Jack wants the legacy. He

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wants the blue. Jack knows that the blue meth

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is a global brand. It is the Coca -Cola of the

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underworld. Right, it is priceless. And he wants

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his nephew Todd to be the heir to that entire

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kingdom. So he makes a counter offer. He says,

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I will kill Pinkman for you. But you have to

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cook for us. You have to teach Todd how to do

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it, right? This is the ultimate deal with the

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devil Walt has spent five seasons Violently protecting

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his formula. It is his art is the only thing

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that proves He's a genius and not just a petty

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criminal. Yeah, and now he is willing to just

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trade it away He is commodifying his life's work

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to pay for the death of his surrogate son. That

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is the equation happening here. It is tragic,

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and it is horrifying. And the worst part is he

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agrees. He agrees reluctantly, but he agrees.

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He says one cook. That is what he tells himself

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to make it OK. I will do one cook. He thinks

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he can dip his toe back in, get the dirty job

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done, and get out. He still truly believes he

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has control over these men. And that is the fatal

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flaw, isn't it? The sheer arrogance. He looks

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at Jack and sees a blunt tool he can use. He

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doesn't see a pack of rabid wolves that he is

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casually inviting into his living room. He underestimates

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them because they look like roughnecks. They

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don't have his education. He thinks his intellect

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makes him the alpha in the room. But bullets

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do not care about your IQ. So the hit is on.

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Walt goes home probably thinking he has neatly

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solved the problem. But meanwhile, across town,

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the good guys, if we could even call them that,

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are cooking up a plan of their own. Which brings

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us to segment three, The Trap and the Alliance.

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Hank Gomez and Jesse, the most awkward road trip

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group imaginable. It is a fascinating dynamic

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to watch. You have the straight -laced DEA agent,

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his fiercely loyal partner, and the junkie informant

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they both completely despise but currently really

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need. Yeah, they're not friends. Not at all.

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But Jesse brings the one thing Hank has been

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missing for a year, insight. Hank has the evidence,

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or at least he has the trail of evidence, but

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he doesn't actually understand Walt. He thinks

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Walt is a monster, but he doesn't understand

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the specific type of monster he is dealing with.

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Right. Hank wants to catch Walt with physical

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evidence of drugs. Or with murder weapons, you

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know, standard police work. By the book. Exactly.

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But Jesse stops him. Jesse says, you are looking

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at it all wrong. You cannot get him on evidence.

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He is too smart. He scrubbed everything. You

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have to get him where he lives. His money. Jessie

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understands that for Walter White, the money

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isn't just currency to buy things. It is the

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scorecard. Oh, that is a great way to look at

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it. It is the proof that he existed and mattered.

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It is the core justification for all the cancer,

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all the lies, and all the death. If you take

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the money, you kill Heisenberg. That there is

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a massive problem. They do not know where the

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money is. They know it exists. They know it is

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hidden in barrels. But the New Mexico desert

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is incredibly big, so they need a weak link.

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They need someone who knows something but is

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fragile enough to actually break under pressure.

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Enter Huell Babineau. Poor Huell. I really love

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this character. He is Saul's bodyguard. He is

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huge. He looks super imposing. But inside, he

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is just a guy who wants to go home and lay on

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his pile of money. He is a mercenary, but a very

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low stakes one. He is not a cartel guy. So Hank

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and Gomez pick him up and take him to a DEA safe

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house. And the scene, this interrogation, is

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a master class in psychological manipulation

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by Hank. It's purely performative police work.

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Hank knows he has absolutely nothing on Huell,

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really. Not enough to hold him in his cell forever.

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So he has to utterly terrify him. And he does

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it by weaponizing Huell's own ignorance against

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him. Huell knows that people around Walt tend

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to just disappear. He knows about Mike. He knows

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about the brutal prison killings. He knows Walt

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is dangerous. Right. So when Hank says Walt is

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tying up loose ends and you are a loose end,

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Huell completely believes it. And then Hank drops

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the hammer. The prop. The staged photo. Can we

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talk about how intensely gruesome that photo

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is? Yeah. Hank pulls out his phone and casually

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shows Huell a picture of Jesse Pinkman lying

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on a floor with his brain seemingly blown out.

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It is incredibly graphic. And to the audience

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for a split second, it is genuinely shocking.

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But we know Jesse is alive because we literally

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just saw him in the previous scene. For Huell

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though, this is immediate confirmation of his

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absolute worst nightmare. Why does this specific

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tactic work so well on Huell? Because Huell isn't

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a hardened killer like Jack. As you said, he's

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a facilitator. He picks pockets. He stands guard

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at a door. He doesn't do wet work. It is out

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of his league. Way out of his league. Seeing

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that photo creates a visceral, immediate panic

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response. It totally bypasses his logic centers.

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He doesn't stop to ask, well, when did this happen

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or where is the official police report? He just

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thinks, I am next on the chopping block. And

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LaVille Crawford, the actor playing Kuehl, plays

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this so perfectly. That little widening of the

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eyes, the nervous sweat, he cracks like an egg.

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He spills literally everything he knows. He confesses

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that he and Kubi stored the money in barrels.

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He tells them Walt rented a van. He tells them

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about the shovel. But, and this is the crucial

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limitation of the entire plan, he does not know

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the actual GPS coordinates. Right. He knows Walt

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moved the money, but he doesn't know where it

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was taken. So Hank has the method, but not the

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location. I feel like most cops would be totally

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stuck right there. They would hit a wall. Yeah.

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But Hank, completely energized by Jesse, Jesse

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realizes they can use this partial information

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to aggressively bluff Walt. They have enough

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very specific details, the rental van, the barrels,

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the shovel, to make Walt genuinely believe they

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know everything. It is a classic confidence game.

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Which leads us directly into segment four, The

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Phone Call. This is Psychological Warfare. This

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entire sequence, it is just pure adrenaline.

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Jesse sends the beat. A photo of a barrel full

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of cash sitting open in the dirt. Now the notes

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tell us this was actually staged in Hank's backyard.

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It is completely fake. But to Walt. To Walt,

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it looks totally real. And then the phone rings.

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And this is a crucial character moment. Walt

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actually answers it. Why does he answer it, though?

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He usually ignores unknown numbers when he's

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being careful. Because the threat is existential.

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Jesse leaves a voicemail or sends a text saying,

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I found it. Walt's curiosity and his deep -seated

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fear just completely override his usual caution.

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He has to know. He has to. And once he is on

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the line, Jesse starts the countdown. He says,

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I am going to burn it. $10 ,000 a minute. He

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literally puts the sound of the lighter flicking

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right in Walt's ear. Click. That sound, it triggers

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a deeply primal panic in Walt. And this is where

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we see the green screen drive we talked about

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earlier. Walt tears out of the car wash parking

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lot. He is screaming at Jesse. Don't do it. You're

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an idiot. You're burning your own money. And

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Jesse just keeps poking the bear. He says, I

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don't care about the money, Mr. White. I care

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about hurting you. And in his sheer desperation

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to stop the burning, Walt starts confessing.

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And this is so fascinating to me. He isn't confessing

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to the police, or so he thinks. He is confessing

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to Jesse just to try and win a twisted argument.

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Exactly. He is desperately trying to rationalize

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his atrocious behavior. He brings up Brock. The

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poisoning. He screams, I poisoned Brock, but

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I ensured his survival. I calculated the dose.

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What actually goes through a man's head to think

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that is a valid defense? That is the ultimate

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narcissism of Walter White. He genuinely deeply

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believes he should be thanked for it. Thank for

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poisoning a kid. Yes. In his mind, he made a

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hard executive decision to poison a child to

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manipulate Jesse against Gus Fring. But because

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he was quote unquote smart enough to not actually

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kill the boy, he sees actions as somewhat benevolent.

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I didn't kill him. I just almost killed him to

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save you. It is incredibly twisted logic. But

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in that car with the siren blaring in the background,

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which is actually just the sound of his own internal

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panic, he thinks if he can just. Calmly explain

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the overarching strategy Jesse will finally understand.

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He also confesses to the murders of the dealers.

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He confesses to basically everything. And completely

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unbeknownst to him, Hank and Gomez are recording

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every single word. He is handing them the entire

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federal case on a silver platter. The irony is

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just so thick you could cut it with a knife.

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Walt, the man who covers his tracks better than

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literally anyone, is loudly shouting his crimes

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into a recording device because he is simply

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too greedy to let his money burn. Greed? and

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massive arrogance. He cannot imagine a world

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where Jesse Pinkman outsmarts him. Right. He

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thinks Jesse is beneath him. Exactly. He assumes

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Jesse stumbled upon the money by sheer dumb luck.

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It never once occurs to him that this is an elaborate

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trap set by Hank. So he arrives at Togy Lee.

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The coordinates are 34, 59, 20. He screeches

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to a halt. The dust settles. And it is completely

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empty. Just the wind howling. No Jesse. No van.

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No fire. And the horrible realization just washes

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over him. You can actually see the gears turning

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in Bryan Cranston's eyes. He looks down at the

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dirt. It is totally undisturbed. He has been

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had. And in that singular moment of extreme vulnerability,

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he spots a car on the horizon. Now this is a

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highly critical decision point for Walt. He is

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panicked. He thinks Jesse is coming to kill him

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right then and there. Maybe Jesse hired hitmen.

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So what does he do? He immediately goes back

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to the deal with the devil. He grabs his phone

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and calls Jack. He gives him the GPS coordinates.

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He says, I am pinned down. Get here now. He is

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literally calling in an airstrike. He wants the

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neo -Nazis to come out and completely wipe out

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whoever is in that approaching car. But then

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the car gets a little closer. Yeah. And he sees

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who is actually in it. He sees Jesse. But Jesse

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is not driving. Hank is driving, and Gomez is

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right there in the passenger seat. And everything

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just violently stops. This is segment five, the

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showdown. This is the moment that completely

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defines the rest of the series. Walt realizes

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his enemy isn't a rival cartel gang or a hired

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hit band. It is his actual family. It is Hank.

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And Walt has one rule, the one single rule he

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has never ever broken. You do not kill family.

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He can mentally justify killing Gail. He can

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justify killing Mike. He can justify having all

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those prison witnesses brutally stabbed. But

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Hank, Hank is completely off limits. So he yells

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into the phone, don't come call it off. He desperately

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tries to put the terrible genie back in the bottle.

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Forget I called, do not come. But Jack, well

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Jack is already on the move. And the cell connection

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is really spotty out there. Did Jack actually

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hear him? Did he even care if he did hear him?

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Walt just drops the phone. He realizes in that

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moment he is completely checkmated. The surrender

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scene. This felt so incredibly surreal when I

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first watched it on television. Walter White,

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the great Heisenberg, just slowly walks out from

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behind a red rock and puts his hands up. It is

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a picture of total absolute defeat. He takes

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off his glasses. Oh, the glasses. That gesture

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is so incredibly significant. The glasses are

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a key part of the Heisenberg mask. Taking them

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off reveals the tired, weak, dying man underneath

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the myth. Hank gets out of the car. He has his

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gun drawn. Police drop it. Walt just freezes.

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He drops the gun in the dirt. And Hank walks

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up and handcuffs him. He reads him his Miranda

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rights. Walter White, you have the right to remain

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silent. Hearing those specific words spoken to

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the main character after five long seasons of

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watching him get away with everything, it felt

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like the show was literally ending right there.

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It felt like, okay, they finally got him. That

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is the end of the story. It is a moment of immense,

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profound catharsis for Hank. He finally, after

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all this time, got his man. He looks at Walton

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and says, hey, I got you. And for a very brief

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fleeting moment, the world makes sense again.

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The bad guy is in cuffs. The good guy won the

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day. But then the emotional temperature violently

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spikes again. Jesse walks up. Jesse is physically

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shaking. He is looking at the man who repeatedly

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manipulated him, abused him, and poisoned his

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girlfriend's young son. And Walt is finally completely

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powerless now. So Jesse spits on him. Right in

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the face. A huge moment of humiliation. And Walt,

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even while in cuffs, even totally defeated his

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massive ego. simply cannot handle that level

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of disrespect. He lunges at Jesse. He tries to

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headbutt him or bite him. It is just purely animalistic.

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Gomez and Hank have to quickly pull them apart.

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They're yelling, hey, hey, cut it out. It is

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really messy. It is not a dignified mastermind

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villain defeat at all. It is a pathetic, ugly

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scuffle in the dirt. It totally strips away the

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Heisenberg myth. Walt isn't an evil genius here.

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He is just a nasty, angry old man getting forcefully

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shoved into the backseat of a police SUV. So

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Walt is locked in Gomez's car. Jesse's put in

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Wall's car, and Hank makes a phone call to Marie.

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Which brings us to segment six, the false ending

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and the cliffhanger. The writers give us one

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collective breath. Hank calls Marie Schrader

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and delivers the line, I have him. It is without

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a doubt the happiest Hank has been in years.

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He is absolutely beaming. He tells her it is

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finally over. He says it may be a while before

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I am home, but baby, I am coming home. Oh God,

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that line, I am coming home. In the language

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of cinema, that is basically signing your own

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tragic death warrant. It is the ultimate retiree

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trope. You know the cop who is exactly one day

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away from retirement, or the soldier in the trench

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who shows his buddy a picture of his girl back

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home. It is a curse. It is. Whatever character

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in a tense drama says it is over, I am safe,

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you know, the heavy axe is about to fall. And

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fall, it absolutely does. Because Walt is sitting

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in the back of the SUV, and he looks in the rear

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view mirror. And he sees the dust kicking up

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on the horizon. Not just one car either. Two

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heavy trucks. Jack and the Brotherhood have arrived.

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They completely ignored the cancellation order.

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Or maybe they didn't hear it. Or more likely

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they saw the GPS coordinates and realized that

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is exactly where the millions of dollars are

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buried. Walt's face in that precise moment, it

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is pure unadulterated horror. He starts violently

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screaming again, Jack, Jack don't do it. But

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he is completely trapped inside the soundproof

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glass of the SUV. No one outside can hear a word

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he is saying. He is literally a helpless spectator

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at his own family's funeral. The trucks aggressively

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pull up. And the blocking here by McLaren is

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so incredibly intimidating. These guys... pile

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out of the vehicles, they have tactical vests

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on, they are holding automatic rifles, they slowly

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line up. And Hank and Gomez? They are horribly

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outgunned. They have standard -issue pistols

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and one shotgun. They are standing out in the

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wide open desert. The Nazis have the heavy vehicles

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for solid cover. The standoff ensues. It is classic

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high noon western tension. You hear the desert

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wind whistling. You get these tight close -ups

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on everyone's eyes. Hank is yelling, please drop

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your weapons, identify yourselves. And Jack is

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just casually chewing his gum. Kenny is calmly

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polishing his glasses. They do not respect the

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badge at all. They just see two minor obstacles

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standing between them and a massive winning lottery

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ticket. Walt is frantically banging his head

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and hands on the window. No, no. He knows exactly

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what is about to happen. And then the tension

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finally snaps. Kenny abruptly opens fire and

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the whole world just violently explodes. It is

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not a beautifully choreographed cinematic slow

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motion gunfight either. It is incredibly loud,

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chaotic and totally overwhelming. Bullets are

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absolutely shredding the SUV. Glass is flying

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everywhere. Gomez and Hank are pinned down almost

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instantly. They are desperately taking cover

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behind the thin car door, which offers almost

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absolutely no real protection against high caliber

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automatic rounds. Jesse is terrified and cowering

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under the dashboard of Walt's car. Walt is curled

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up in a tight ball on the floor of the SUV trying

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to avoid the hail of bullets. And the editing

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here by Kelly Dixon is incredibly frantic. It

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rapidly cuts from the bright muzzle flashes to

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Walt's terrified screaming face to Hank bravely

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firing back with his pistol. And then right in

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the middle of the deafening battle, Black. Cut

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to Black, executive producer Vince Gilligan.

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The sheer audacity of the creative team to end

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the episode right there in that exact second.

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It was the ultimate television cliffhanger. You

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have the lives of literally every major character

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hanging completely in the balance. The screen

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goes totally dark. And you are just left sitting

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in your living room. in total silence with your

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heart pounding out of your chest. I remember

00:24:38.309 --> 00:24:40.930
vividly throwing a couch pillow at my TV screen.

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I physically needed to know what happened next

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right then. It was a wildly brilliant strategic

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move by AMC and the creators. It completely ensured

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that everyone, and I mean everyone, would be

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frantically tuning in for the next episode, Ozymandias.

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Let us talk about the reception in segment seven,

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because obviously an episode this intense...

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made massive waves. It was a cultural phenomenon.

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The original broadcast viewership jumped to 5

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.1 million people, which was up significantly

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from the previous week's 4 .41 million. Wow,

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that is a big jump. Yeah, the intense word of

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mouth was spreading rapidly. People were saying,

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you absolutely have to watch this live. You cannot

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wait. And the critics? How did they react? They

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were totally floored by it. Tim Surrett over

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at TV .com called it a direct hit and said it

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was potentially one of the best episodes of the

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entire series. Seth Amidon at IGN gave it a perfect

00:25:34.309 --> 00:25:37.769
10 out of 10 score. A perfect 10 that is rare.

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Deservedly so, though. He highly praised the

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pacing, the shocking twists, and the masterful

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direction. He astutely noted that the show had

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somehow managed to make us root for Hank. Hank

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aggressively despised Walt, deeply pity Jesse,

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and utterly fear the Nazis all at the exact same

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time. The Ringer, much later on in 2019, actually

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ranked it as the 11th best episode out of all

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62 episodes of the series, which in a show with

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a baseline caliber this high, is legendary top

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-tier status. And we absolutely cannot forget

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the editing awards. Kelly Dixon was officially

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nominated for Outstanding Single Camera Picture

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Editing for a drama series for this specific

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episode. Did she win? She actually lost, but

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she only lost to the editor of the series finale,

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Felina. So Breaking Bad basically owned that

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entire category that year. So as we wrap up this

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incredibly tense journey. Yeah. Let us try to

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synthesize all of this information. What is the

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big thematic takeaway of Toajali? For me, the

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biggest takeaway is about the dangerous illusion

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of control. Walter White spent five grueling

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seasons, truly believing he could neatly compartmentalize

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his chaotic life. Right, keeping the two lives

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separate. Exactly. He deeply thought he could

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be a ruthless drug lord from nine to five and

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a warm family man on the weekends. He actually

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thought he could hire brutal murderers to do

00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:57.210
his bidding, but somehow keep his own hands perfectly

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clean. And this episode violently smashes that

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entire illusion into pieces. Completely. Separate

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worlds finally forcefully collide out in the

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desert. The criminal world represented by Jack

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aggressively arrives to kill the family world

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represented by Hank. And Walt is just hopelessly

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stuck right in the middle, handcuffed, entirely

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unable to stop it. It is the ultimate consequence

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of every single dark shortcut he ever took. He

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hired Jack to cleanly solve a problem, and now

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Jack is the absolute worst problem he has ever

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faced. It is the classic Shakespearean tragedy

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structure. The tragic anti -hero creates the

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exact instrument of his own terrible destruction.

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And the poetic irony of the physical location.

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The exact place where he very first broke bad

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is the exact place where his life finally breaks

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completely apart. He fully surrendered. That

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is the one thing that still really haunts me

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about this episode. He actually gave up his empire.

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He was fully willing to go to a federal prison

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just to save Hank's life. But it was just way

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too late. Way too late. The dark, violent forces

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he originally set in motion were already aggressively

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rolling forward. You cannot unring the bell.

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You cannot uncall the hit. Well, here's a final

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provocative thought for you, the listener. A

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dark little nugget to carefully chew on. Walt

00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:14.759
screams, don't come to Jack on the phone. He

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peacefully surrenders to Hank in his own twisted

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mind. He made the right moral choice at the very

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last possible second. But does that actually

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matter? That is the ultimate philosophical question

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of the show. Right. Like if you build a highly

00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.480
destructive bomb and you purposely light the

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fuse and then you suddenly genuinely regret it

00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:36.539
five seconds before it blows up, are you still

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a bomber? I think the bloody shootout in the

00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:40.940
desert gave us the definitive answer to that.

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The bomb went off regardless of his regrets.

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Indeed it did. And next time we do a deep dive,

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we really have to talk about the toxic radioactive

00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:51.920
fallout of that bomb. Because if you somehow

00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.900
thought this week was intense, Ozymandias is

00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:56.720
coming. I am definitely going to need a very

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stiff drink before we sit down to record that

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one. Oh, me too. Absolutely. Thank you all so

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much for listening to The Deep Dive. Go re -watch

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the episode. Close we look at those wide desert

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shots. Look at the sheer terror in Cranston's

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eyes. And we will see you on the other side.
