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Hello and welcome back to The Deep Dive. Today

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we are turning our attention to a really pivotal

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moment in television history. We are cracking

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open the files on Breaking Bad, specifically

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looking at season three, episode five. Right,

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it's an episode titled Mas. Mas, which is, it's

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just a simple word, right? One syllable, Spanish

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for more. But I mean, in the context of this

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specific point in Breaking Bad... that single

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syllable is doing an incredible amount of heavy

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lifting. It's not just about quantity. It's about

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appetite. It is about this point of no return

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where the concept of enough is no longer something

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that exists for these characters. Yeah, that

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is exactly where we are heading today. We're

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cracking open the files on Moz. Yeah. And to

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guide us through this deep dive, we have a stack

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of materials that is honestly, it's a bit intimidating.

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It really is. We've got the original production

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notes. We have critical reviews from back when

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the episode actually aired in 2010 to see how

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the world reacted in real time. And we also had

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some really deep academic essays, specifically

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looking at the psychology of fatherhood and the

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symbolism of violence within the show. It's such

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a pivotal moment. in the series, if you zoom

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out and look at the whole architecture of Breaking

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Bad, this episode is the structural beam that

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supports the rest of the show. This is the exact

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moment the mom -and -pop drug operation fully

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dies and the multinational conglomerate takes

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over. Right, the corporate takeover. Exactly.

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And with that takeover comes this massive demand

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for more. More risk. More lies. More money. and

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crucially more justification for the terrible

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sins they are committing. So our mission today

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for you listening is to figure out why this specific

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hour of television is cited by so many critics

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as the ultimate turning point. We are going to

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dissect the reveal of the super lab, which is

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just a visual feast. We're going to break down

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what I consider to be the most dangerous monologue

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Gus Fring ever delivers. And we're going to look

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at a flashback that completely recontextualizes

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the entire history of the show up to this point.

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And we definitely have to talk about The Rock.

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Oh, we absolutely have to talk about The Rock.

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But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's

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start right where the episode starts. The cold

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open. The flashback sequence. Right. The show

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drops us into a scene that honestly just feels

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wrong immediately. The lighting is different.

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The energy is... entirely different. We are looking

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at the actual origin story of the crystal ship,

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the RV. It's a really brilliant narrative device

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that television sometimes uses to measure distance.

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It asks you, the viewer, do you remember who

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these people used to be? Because the show takes

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us all the way back to the days right before

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the pilot. Walt has just given Jesse his entire

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life savings, $7 ,000 to buy an RV. Which knowing

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what we know now is such a ludicrously high -risk

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move. You have Walter White, this buttoned -up,

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high -strung chemistry teacher, handing a literal

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stack of cash to a former student who is, by

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all accounts, a total burnout. Yeah, calling

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him a burnout is probably putting it kindly at

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that stage. And the flashback shows us the immediate

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consequence of that wild decision. Jesse doesn't

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go to a dealership. He doesn't check the classifieds

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in the paper. He takes Walt's retirement money

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and he goes straight to a strip club. It is so

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painful to watch. He is there. with Skinny Pete

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and Combo Ortega. They're popping bottles or

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throwing cash in the air. It's a massive celebration.

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But as you're sitting there watching, you're

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just thinking, that is the nest egg. That is

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the chemo money literally flying through the

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air in a dark club. It really highlights the

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fundamental disconnect between Walt and Jesse

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at this early stage because to Walt, this is

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a desperate life or death investment, but to

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Jesse, it's a windfall. It's just party time.

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Right. And then comes the morning after, the

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inevitable hangover. And the silence of that

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morning is just deafening. Jesse wakes up, the

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adrenaline is completely gone, and the harsh

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reality sets in. He actually counts the money.

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And how much is left? $1 ,400. He blew over $5

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,000 in one single night. $1 ,400. I mean, you

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cannot buy a recreational vehicle for $1 ,400.

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You can barely buy a used scooter for that kind

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of money. Precisely. And this is exactly where

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the character of Combo becomes so crucial to

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everything. We often think of Combo just as one

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of Jesse's friends, but this scene completely

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cements his importance to the lore of the show.

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He sees that Jesse is in a massive bind. Jesse

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is panicking because he knows Waltz is probably

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going to kill him if he doesn't show up with

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an RV. So Combo just offers a solution. He says,

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I can get you an RV. His mom's RV. It's completely

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absurd. He sells his own mother's RV to Jesse

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for exactly the $1400 Jesse happened to have

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left in his pocket. It's a total bailout. It

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wasn't some calculated business acquisition.

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The iconic crystal ship, the vessel that literally

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launched a drug empire, was acquired simply because

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a kid got way too drunk at a strip club and needed

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to cover his tracks before his angry high school

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teacher found out. But you have to ask why. Show

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us this right now. We're deep into season three.

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The RV is actually about to be destroyed. Why

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do we need to see this highly specific origin

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story right at this exact moment in the narrative?

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Contrast. It is all about contrast. Think about

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exactly where we are heading later in this very

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episode. We are about to see the super lab. We

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are about to see the absolute pinnacle of industrial

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perfection. The writers really want you to feel

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the grit and the total incompetence of the early

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days so that the sleekness of the super lab feels

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even more seductive when we finally get there.

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It's amateur hour versus the big leagues. Exactly

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that. The flashback represents the chaotic, low

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rent, emotional incompetence of the early Walt

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and Jesse partnership. It's incredibly messy.

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It relies entirely on friends doing favors. It

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relies on literal theft from parents. Whereas

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Gus Fring relies on systems. Right. And looking

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at... us through the lens of the actual production

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notes we have. They specifically wanted to highlight

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Jesse's innocence here. He is not a killer yet

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in this flashback. He's just a dumb kid making

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really bad choices. And seeing that makes his

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current situation in season three, where he's

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isolated and grieving and trapped in a cartel

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war, feel so much more tragic. It really does.

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You see the ghost of the kid he used to be. Okay,

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so we snap back to the present timeline. The

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amateur hour is completely over. Walt is currently

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retired. He's totally out of the game. He has

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turned down Gus Fring's massive offer. But Gus

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isn't exactly the type of guy who just accepts

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a resignation letter. No, he's not. But Gus is

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also not a brute. And this is what makes him

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such a phenomenally compelling antagonist. He

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doesn't threaten Walt with physical violence.

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He doesn't put a gun to his head. He uses pure

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psychology. We see this perfectly at Los Palos

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Hermanos. Walt just storms in. He is furious

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because he figured out that Gus paid Jesse half

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the money for the previous batch of product.

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Walt sees this as a blatant manipulation. And

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the thing is, he's right. It is a manipulation.

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Walt confronts Gus basically saying, I know exactly

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what you're doing. You're trying to lure me back

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into the business by making me jealous of Jesse

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or by appealing to my own ego. And Des doesn't

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even deny it. He just calmly apologizes. He completely

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disarms Walt in an instant. It's a total masterclass

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in negotiation. When someone comes at you with

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really hot anger, you meet them with completely

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cool logic. Gus actually apologizes for the transparency

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of the ploy, and then he seamlessly pivots. He

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just asks for a ride. Take a ride with me. And

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this seemingly innocent ride takes us straight

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to the industrial laundry facility. Lavandaria

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Bidonte. Right. On the outside, it looks like

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a generic industrial laundry. It's loud, it's

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steamy, it's full of workers just washing sheets.

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But then, Gus leads Walt downstairs. He pushes

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a hidden mechanism on one of the massive washing

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machines and a secret door just glides open.

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This is the exact moment the entire visual language

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of the show changes forever. They walk right

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into the super lab. Try to describe it for the

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listener who maybe hasn't seen the episode in

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a while because this is a very far cry from the

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cramped sweaty RV out in the desert. It is essentially

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a cathedral of chemistry. It is gleaming stainless

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steel everywhere. It's massive. They have state

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-of -the -art filtration systems, enormous reaction

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vessels, perfectly calibrated piping, and the

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lighting shifts dramatically from that harsh

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yellow of the Albuquerque desert that we're so

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used to to this very cool clinical sterile blue

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and silver. And you can just see the physical

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reaction on Walt's face. He is completely starstruck.

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Yeah. Gus knows his target so well. He knows

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Walt is a man who feels deeply underappreciated

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in his life. He knows Walt truly believes he

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is a genius surrounded by absolute idiots. So

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Gus simply presents him with a workspace that

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implicitly says, I see your genius and I have

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built a temple entirely worthy of it. It's pure

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validation. The RV was honestly an insult to

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Walt's actual talent. The super lab is a massive

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high budget tribute to it. Exactly. You see Walt

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actually touching the equipment. He's checking

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the seals on the vats. He's like a master musician

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being handed a priceless Stradivarius violin.

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But and this is a really critical point. He still

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says no. He does. He manages to pull himself

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back from the brink. He tells Gus, I can't do

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this. I've lost my family. I made all these terrible

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decisions for them and now they hate me. If I

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keep doing it, I'm just a criminal. He's trying

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so hard to hold on to that moral high ground.

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He's clinging to the noble father narrative that

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he built for himself. He tells Gus that without

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his family, he has zero justification for cooking

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meth. And this is exactly where Gus Fring delivers

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the psychological checkmate. The speech that

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this entire episode is truly famous for. A man

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provides. Let's really break this speech down

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because the sources we have, specifically the

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academic essay by Susan Johnson on the failure

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of fatherhood, point to this exact moment. as

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the point where Walt's soul truly just leaves

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the building. It is a lethal piece of rhetoric.

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Gus looks at Walt and says, essentially, what

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does a man do, Walker? Yeah. A man provides.

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And then he completely dismantles the idea of

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appreciation. He says, and he does it even when

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he is not appreciated or respected or even loved.

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That specific line chills me every single time

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I hear it, even when he is not loved. Because

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he is directly reframing the painful rejection

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Walt is currently feeling from Skyler and Walter

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Jr. Gus is telling him, that their hatred doesn't

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actually matter. In fact, bearing their hatred

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makes you even more of a man. It turns Walt's

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current suffering into a heroic virtue. He is

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tapping into this very old school, deeply toxic

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idea of traditional masculinity, the stoic silent

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provider. The martyr who willingly carries the

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terrible burden so the family can survive, even

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if the family completely despises him for doing

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it. Precisely. He completely removes the requirement

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for any sort of emotional connection. He tells

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Walt that being a father isn't about being present

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or kind or being a good role model. It is purely

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an economic function. A man provides. If you

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provide, you are a man. If you don't, you are

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nothing. And for Walt, who is currently feeling

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like absolute nothing because his wife has kicked

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him out of the house, this is exactly what he

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desperately needs to do. It is a tailor -made

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permission structure. It is a brilliant trap.

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Gus is essentially saying you don't need their

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permission to be their savior. He completely

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weaponizes Walt's massive ego, what desperately

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needs to feel important. Gus tells him he is

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the most important thing in their lives, whether

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they are smart enough to know it or not. And

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it works beautifully. You can literally see the

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gears turning in Walt's head. He realizes he

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can have his cake and eat it, too. He can be

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the great, untouchable criminal mastermind, and

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he can still tell himself he's a good father.

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Which, as Susan Johnston argues in her essay,

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is the ultimate tragedy of the character. By

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accepting this incredibly narrow definition of

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what a provider is, he fails completely as an

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actual father. He chooses the money over the

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actual people. And I really want to pause on

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that for a second because it is such a psychological

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pivot for the show. Up until this point, Walt

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has been operating under the deep delusion that

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if he just explains everything well enough eventually,

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or if he just makes a big enough pile of money,

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the family will eventually understand and forgive

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him. He genuinely thinks there is a happy reconciliation

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waiting at the end of the rainbow. Right. He

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thinks the terrible ends justify the horrific

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means, but he firmly believes that the ends involve

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a happy family eating breakfast together. Exactly.

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But Gus rips that fantasy away. Gus is telling

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him, forget the breakfast. The breakfast is gone

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forever. The love is gone forever. But you still

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have a very important job to do. It is incredibly

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bleak. But for a massive control freak like Walt,

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it is oddly comforting. It radically simplifies

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the equation for him. He no longer has to worry

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about the messy business of winning Skyler back.

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He just has to worry about the exact yield percentage

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of the meth cook. It brilliantly replaces emotional

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complexity with chemical complexity. And Walt

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is much, much better at chemistry than he is

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at handling human emotion. So he just retreats

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into the lab. He retreats into the work. Speaking

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of the people he is leaving behind out in the

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real world while Walt is getting seduced by gleaming

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stainless steel and toxic philosophy, his actual

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family is completely imploding. We have a segment

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here that we're calling the domestic collapse.

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And it gets really ugly. We have two separate

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threads unraveling simultaneously here, Hank

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and Skyler. Let's start with Hank, Hank Schrader.

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Usually he's the solid rock of the show, the

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loud, boisterous, tough guy who has everything

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figured out. But in Moss, he is absolutely spiraling.

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He is totally obsessed. He is hunting the RV,

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the rolling meth lab. He is essentially like

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Captain Ahab chasing the white whale out in the

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desert. But his investigation is completely stalling

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out. And right on top of that, he gets a massive

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emotional blow at work. Right. He finds out his

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partner, Steve Gomez, is getting transferred.

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He's going El Paso. And we really have to remember

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El Paso is a literal house of horrors for Hank.

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He has severe PTSD from his brief time down there.

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The tortoise scene, the massive explosion that

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trauma is still very, very fresh in his mind.

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Right. He is terrified of El Paso. To him, it

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represents a level of brutal chaos he simply

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cannot control. And now Gomi is going down there

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taking the exact promotion that Hank actively

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avoided. It triggers this really deep, profound

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insecurity. He is losing his anchor at the DEA.

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But instead of talking about his fear, he just

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lashes out at everyone around him. There is that

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really difficult scene with Marie. She is trying

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to be supportive in her own very intense purple

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-clad way, and Hank just aggressively shuts her

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down. Because he feels entirely isolated. He

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actually says something very telling during that

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fight. He says, I'm just doing my job and everyone

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is looking at me like I'm the problem. He's projecting

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his own internal feelings. He feels weak on the

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inside. So he doubles down on the Heisenberg

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case to outwardly prove he's still strong. It's

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incredibly tragic because Hank is actually the

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quote unquote good guy here. He's the only one

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actively trying to stop the flow of dangerous

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drugs into his community. But the narrative framing

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of the show completely puts him in this weird

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box of the antagonist. As viewers, we are naturally

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rooting for Walt to get away with it, so Hank's

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actual competence feels like a direct threat

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to us. That is the real genius of the show's

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perspective. Hank's genuine heroism looks exactly

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like villainy when you are viewing the world

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strictly through Walter White's eyes. And in

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this particular episode, Hank's growing isolation

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perfectly mirrors Walt's isolation. They are

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both stubborn men who feel completely misunderstood

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by their wives, and they are both driven by a

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twisted sense of duty that is actually actively

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destroying them. And then there is Skyler. Skyler

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is on a very different but equally destructive

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journey in this episode. Skyler is actively trying

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to find Moss in her own specific way. She's looking

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for more agency in her life. She is having an

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affair with her boss Ted Benaki. She's deliberately

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trying to hurt Walt, trying to assert some measure

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of control over a life that feels like it's completely

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spinning off its axis. The affair with Ted is

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so interesting to analyze because It's not really

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about love, is it? It feels highly performative.

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It is an act of pure rebellion. It's Skylar breaking

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bad. She has been the dutiful pregnant wife,

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the moral center of the family. And what did

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it get her? It got her nothing but a house full

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of lies. So she decides to just step off the

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moral pedestal. But then she has a conversation

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with your sister, Marie, that changes everything.

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Marie is venting about Hank, about how... dark

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and totally moody he's become lately. And she

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drops this one specific line. She says, death

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changes people. Death changes people. Marie is

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obviously talking about Hank facing extreme cartel

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violence on the border. But Skylar hears it and

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immediately thinks about Walt. She thinks of

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his terminal cancer diagnosis. She thinks about

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the completely different man he has suddenly

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become. And you can see something click in her

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mind. She goes home and she actually looks at

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the money. famous heavy duffel bag full of cash.

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She unzips it, and for the very first time she

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doesn't look at it with pure moral revulsion.

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She looks at it with genuine curiosity. She starts

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to actually weigh the cost. She's standing there

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doing the cold math in her head. She's thinking,

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okay, my husband is a lying monster, but this

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bag... This bag actually contains security. It

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contains Walter Jr.'s college tuition. It contains

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a viable future for her infant daughter. So what

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does she do? She goes to her lawyer. And I really

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love this scene because the divorce lawyer is

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arguably the only person in the entire series

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who seems to be living in the actual real world.

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Everyone else is in this crazy, heightened, dramatic

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reality, but the lawyer is just completely practical.

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The lawyer is the ultimate voice of sanity. Skyler

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sits down and confesses absolutely everything,

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the affair, the meth cooking, the giant bag of

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undocumented cash. She lays it all out on the

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payable. And what is the lawyer's immediate response?

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She says leave now. She looks Skylar dead in

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the eye and says you are a stark raving fool

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if you stay in that house for another minute.

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She breaks down the stark legal reality of the

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situation. Skylar is now officially an accessory

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after the fact. If she spends a single penny

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of that drug money, she is a felon who could

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go to federal prison. It is a massive bucket

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of cold water to the face. The lawyer is basically

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saying you lose the house fine. You lose your

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actual freedom that is infinitely worse. But

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Skylar hesitates. That is the key moment. She

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hesitates. Why does she hesitate? That is the

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fundamental question the show is asking us to

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ponder right there. Is it the pure allure of

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the money? Is it the fear of completely blowing

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up the family unit for her teenage son? Or is

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it that on some deep subconscious level, she

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actually enjoys the thrill of the secret? She

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goes back home, maybe ready to negotiate a new

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deal with Walt, maybe ready to find some twisted

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middle ground. I think there's also a huge element

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of complexity regarding her own identity. Yeah.

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Because if she leaves right now, she's just a

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tragic victim. If she stays in, maybe she can

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actually be a player. Maybe she can have some

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real control over the Empire. That is a very,

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very dangerous game to play, as we will obviously

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see in later seasons. But in this exact moment,

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she returns to the house, perhaps completely

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ready to confront - Walt with a brand new proposition.

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But she's to it. She walks in the door and the

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house is completely empty. Walt is gone. He has

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packed all his bags. And he has signed the divorce

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papers. It is such a brutal piece of irony. Just

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as she was possibly opening the door to a reconciliation,

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Walt just slammed it completely shut. He has

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chosen Superlab. He has chosen Gus Fring. He

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has effectively completely abandoned his actual

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family in order to quote unquote provide for

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them. It is the twisted toxic logic of Gus Fring

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coming perfectly full circle in real life. So

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Walt moves out. He moves into his own sterile

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little condo. He is a bachelor once again, but

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he is a very rich bachelor. And this leads us

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directly to the business side of things. The

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deal with Gus is officially done. Walt is back

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in the game. And he has to quickly tie up the

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loose ends, specifically the loose end named

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Jesse Pinkman. This meeting at Saul Goodman's

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office is honestly one of the absolute coldest

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scenes in the entire season. You have Walt, Jesse

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and Saul sitting there. Walt has a massive duffel

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bag of money. It's Jesse's half of the payout

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from the previous cook. Right. Remember, Gus

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originally paid Jesse that money to deliberately

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bait Walt into a reaction. Now Walt is handing

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that exact cash over, but he's absolutely not

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doing it as a partner. He is doing it as a cruel

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severance package. He is firing him point blank.

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It's worse than firing him. He is dismissing

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him from existence. Walt looks at Jesse and tells

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him this is the last money you will ever make

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in this business. He explicitly tells him you

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are absolutely nothing to Gus Fring. You were

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just a pathetic pawn that used to get to me.

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He strips Jesse of every ounce of his dignity.

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He tells him he's utterly worthless, that his

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chemistry talent is totally non -existent, and

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that he is incredibly lucky to be getting a single

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dime from this arrangement. Now think about that

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flashback we discussed at the very top of the

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hour. In that flashback, Walt actually trusted

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Jesse with his entire life savings. There was

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a real bond there, however deeply dysfunctional

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it was. Now Walt just looks at Jesse with pure

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unadulterated contempt. It's the sheer arrogance

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of the new Superlab Walt. Yeah. He truly believes

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he has ascended to a godly level where he no

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longer needs the little street rat. He has Gus

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Fring now. He has a massive professional infrastructure

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backing him. Jesse's just this embarrassing reminder

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from his messy past. And then comes the absolute

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salt in the wound. Saul Goodman immediately switches

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sides. Saul. The guy who was supposed to be the

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dedicated neutral party guiding them both. Saul

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simply follows the power and the money. He sees

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that Walt has the mega contract with Gus Fring.

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He immediately pivots his entire focus to Walt

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eagerly discussing complex money laundering schemes

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for the millions Walt is about to rake in. He

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literally, physically turns his back on Jesse

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in the office. So Jesse is just standing there.

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He has a bag with a million and a half dollars

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in it. He is incredibly rich, but he is completely,

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deeply alone. Disrespected by his former mentor,

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used as bait by the kingpin, and completely ignored

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by his own lawyer. And all that rage just finally

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boils over. Jesse storms out of the office. He's

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blind with fury. And this leads directly to the

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moment of shocking violence we mentioned earlier,

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the rock. He walks out, picks up a massive jagged

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chunk of concrete from the curb, and he just

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hurls it. Smash. right through the front windshield

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of Walt's car. That poor Pontiac Aztec. It really

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takes a massive beating throughout the run in

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this show. But let's actually look at the essay

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by Stephen Glass titled Better Than Human. Because

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he argues this act isn't just simple street vandalism.

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No, it's highly symbolic destruction. Glass suggests

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in his writing that the windshield physically

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represents the clear barrier Walt constantly

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puts up between himself and the messy real world.

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It represents his clear vision, his supposed

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foresight. Jesse, violent shattering it, is a

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massive statement. It's essentially him saying,

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I see you for who you really are. Exactly. It's

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saying you think you're this untouchable corporate

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kingpin now, but you are incredibly fragile.

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It shatters Walt's massive pride. Walt desperately

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wants to be respected more than anything. Jesse's

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act visually prose that to the people who actually

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know him best, he isn't respected at all. He

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is deeply hated. It is a massive crack in the

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whole Heisenberg facade. Walt can have the gleaming

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super lab. He can have the millions of dollars,

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but he cannot have the love of his son. He cannot

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have the loyalty of his wife or the basic respect

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of his partner. And that reality clearly eats

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at him. You can see it on his face as he drives

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away in that shattered car. The wind is violently

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rushing in. The harsh noise of the outside world

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is fully invading his quiet, tightly controlled

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little bubble. He cannot escape the real world

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consequences of how poorly he treats people,

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no matter how much money he makes in the lab.

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It's just a fantastic visual metaphor. Yeah.

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He is actively driving a broken machine, just

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exactly like his life. Precisely. OK, so the

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board is completely reset now. Walt is safely

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in the lab. is alone in the house with the dark

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secret. Jessie is rich and incredibly angry.

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But we cannot forget the ticking clock running

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in the background, the police investigation.

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Right. Segment five here, the noose tightens.

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Hank Schrader really creates all the massive

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suspense in this part of the narrative. While

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everyone else is dealing with high philosophy

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and corporate drug deals, Hank is just doing

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gritty real world police work. Hank Schrader

00:24:00.019 --> 00:24:02.500
may be emotionally isolated. He may be losing

00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:05.799
his partner to El Paso, but he is still a damn

00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.500
good detective when he focuses. Really good old

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fashioned shoe leather detective work. We so

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often forget that because of his loud bluster,

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but he meticulously follows the tiny leads. And

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this specific lead brings him straight to Combo's

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mother. Now remind us why Combo's mom. Because

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the RV actually belonged to her legally. When

00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:28.519
Combo sold it to Jessie for that $1 ,400 in the

00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:30.859
opening flashback, obviously nobody filed a formal

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theft report. Hank does the deep digging, tracks

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down the state registration, and he pays her

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a visit. And this scene, it's very brief, but

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it is so deeply human. She is just a nice, grieving

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lady. She invites Hank right into her home. She

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has absolutely no idea her son was a street -level

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drug dealer who died in a brutal gang dispute.

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She just genuinely thinks he was a slightly troubled

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kid. It brilliantly grounds the story in stark

00:24:53.650 --> 00:24:57.049
reality once again. These minor characters combo

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Skinny Pete. They actually have families. They

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have mothers who deeply grieve for them. Hank

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treats her with incredible respect. which adds

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.880
yet another complex layer to Hank. He can be

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an absolute brute in the interrogation room,

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but he can also be incredibly gentle and empathetic

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when the situation actually calls for it. And

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while he is standing there in her house, Hank

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politely asks to see Combo's old bedroom. He

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tells her he wants to look for any possible clues

00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.480
about who might have stolen the family RV. And

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that is exactly where he finds the smoking gun.

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What is in the room? It looks like a typical

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messy teenager's room. Posters clutter everywhere,

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but pin casually to the wall is a single photograph.

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And who exactly is in the photo? It is a picture

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of Combo, and standing right next to him with

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a giant grin on his face is Jesse Pickman. At

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the exact same strip club. The same strip club

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from the cold open flashback. The narrative loop

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closes so perfectly right there. That flashback

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at the start of the episode wasn't just fun character

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development or a trip down memory lane. It was

00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.140
deliberate evidence planting by the writers.

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That fun night of partying, that purely amateur

00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.160
hour moment, directly created the physical evidence

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that is now about to bring down the entire massive

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:12.039
drug empire. Because now Hank has a direct tangible

00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.730
link. He officially knows Combo's family had

00:26:14.730 --> 00:26:17.789
the RV. He now knows for a fact Combo was best

00:26:17.789 --> 00:26:20.470
friends with Jesse Pinkman. Therefore, logically

00:26:20.470 --> 00:26:22.730
Jesse Pinkman must have the rolling meth lab.

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The crosshairs are now officially and firmly

00:26:24.869 --> 00:26:27.190
locked onto Jesse. His anonymity is completely

00:26:27.190 --> 00:26:30.089
gone. Up until this exact moment, Jesse has just

00:26:30.089 --> 00:26:32.589
been some random guy to Hank, maybe a low -level

00:26:32.589 --> 00:26:35.410
local dealer. Now he is officially person of

00:26:35.410 --> 00:26:37.250
interest number one in the massive blue meth

00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:40.349
case. It is just incredible writing. Absolutely

00:26:40.349 --> 00:26:42.190
nothing is wasted. The strip club mattered, the

00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:44.910
$1400 mattered, the fun night out completely

00:26:44.910 --> 00:26:47.410
mattered. It is the ultimate butterfly effect

00:26:47.410 --> 00:26:50.190
in storytelling. A really bad, chaotic decision

00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:52.750
made months ago is coming back to completely

00:26:52.750 --> 00:26:55.609
haunt them. And it brilliantly reinforces that

00:26:55.609 --> 00:26:58.029
core theme of consequences. You can try your

00:26:58.029 --> 00:27:00.390
hardest to bury the past, you can try to become

00:27:00.390 --> 00:27:03.950
a sleek corporate criminal, but the messy amateurish

00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:06.470
past is always right there waiting to be discovered

00:27:06.470 --> 00:27:09.049
in a cheap photograph on a teenager's bedroom.

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So that is the massive narrative arc of Moss.

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It is incredibly dense, it is emotionally heavy,

00:27:16.150 --> 00:27:18.450
but how was it actually received at the time?

00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:21.710
Did people watching in 2010 realize just how

00:27:21.710 --> 00:27:23.789
good this hour of television was? Oh, absolutely,

00:27:23.789 --> 00:27:25.710
they did. The critical reception at the time

00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:28.470
was glowing. Donna Bowman, who wrote for the

00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:30.930
A .V. Club, she's a fantastic recapper of the

00:27:30.930 --> 00:27:33.589
specific era of TV. She gave the episode a straight

00:27:33.589 --> 00:27:35.869
A. She officially called it a clever, touching

00:27:35.869 --> 00:27:38.109
and often jaw dropping turning point for the

00:27:38.109 --> 00:27:39.769
entire series. They're looking at the actual

00:27:39.769 --> 00:27:42.470
numbers. Viewership ticked up significantly.

00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:46.329
They hit 1 .61 million live viewers. Now, I know

00:27:46.329 --> 00:27:48.940
that sounds a bit small by today. massive streaming

00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:52.680
standards, but for AMC back in 2010, that was

00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.640
real solid momentum. The word of mouth was rapidly

00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.660
spreading. People everywhere realized this specific

00:27:58.660 --> 00:28:01.660
season was accelerating towards something incredibly

00:28:01.660 --> 00:28:04.440
dark. And what about Seth Amitin over at IGN?

00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.980
He gave it a 9 .9 out of 10, basically a near

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:10.960
perfect score. He noted that every single solitary

00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.380
element from the incredible acting to the precise

00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:15.880
cinematography was just firing on all cylinders.

00:28:16.099 --> 00:28:18.029
It is really hard to argue with that assessment.

00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:20.569
This episode balances the deep character drama

00:28:20.569 --> 00:28:23.430
with the complex plot mechanics just flawlessly.

00:28:23.829 --> 00:28:25.410
You have the high octane visual thrill of the

00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:27.569
super lab reveal, but you also get the quiet

00:28:27.569 --> 00:28:30.190
agonizing desperation of Skyler just talking

00:28:30.190 --> 00:28:32.859
to her divorce lawyer. It also brilliantly sets

00:28:32.859 --> 00:28:35.180
up the central unresolvable conflict for the

00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:37.720
rest of the entire series, the business versus

00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.900
the family. Walt truly thinks he has finally

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:43.640
solved it by physically separating them. Gus

00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.079
has completely convinced him he can live in both

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.000
worlds by separating them. But as we all know,

00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:51.460
and as the show repeatedly demonstrates, you

00:28:51.460 --> 00:28:54.059
simply cannot keep those two volatile worlds

00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:57.460
apart forever. They will collide. Which naturally

00:28:57.460 --> 00:28:59.039
brings us right back to the title of the episode

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.059
again, Mazza. It is the ultimate tragedy of the

00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:03.980
human condition depicted in this show. They simply

00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:06.619
always want more. Walt wants more time and more

00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.519
money. Jesse wants more basic respect. Skyler

00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.000
wants more truth and control. Gus wants more

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.940
territory and power. And that relentless, insatiable

00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:18.200
desire for more is exactly what ultimately destroys

00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.140
everything they already have. Precisely. By constantly

00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:23.680
seeking maws, they completely lose enough that

00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.000
they started with. Think about it. Walt easily

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.420
had enough money to retire early on. He had enough

00:29:28.420 --> 00:29:30.680
to leave his family perfectly secure, but he

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.480
wanted more. And look at what that desire actually

00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.460
cost him in the end. He lost his wife. He lost

00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:38.720
his partner's respect. He lost his own peace

00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.839
of mind. But hey, he got a really shiny new lab

00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.799
out of it. A giant stainless steel tomb. So as

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.940
we start to wrap up this incredibly deep dive,

00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:49.940
what is the one big takeaway you really want

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:52.990
the listener to hold onto from Moss? For me,

00:29:53.029 --> 00:29:55.190
it is absolutely the manipulation tactics. I

00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:57.349
really want the listener to sit with how smoothly

00:29:57.349 --> 00:29:59.450
and effectively Gus Fring played Walter White.

00:29:59.910 --> 00:30:02.150
He didn't use any force at all. He used a mirror.

00:30:02.529 --> 00:30:05.549
He showed Walt the exact image of the great powerful

00:30:05.549 --> 00:30:08.910
man Walt desperately wanted to be. And Walt willingly

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:11.829
walked right into the cage just to claim that

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:13.750
image. It really heavily challenges the whole

00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:16.250
idea of Walt's ultimate agency. We really like

00:30:16.250 --> 00:30:18.450
to think of Heisenberg as this brilliant unstoppable

00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:21.269
force of nature. But in this specific episode,

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:23.940
he is honestly just a puppet being effortlessly

00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:26.480
danced around by a much smarter, much cooler

00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.279
operator. It is deeply humbling for the character.

00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:31.660
It perfectly shows that there is always a much

00:30:31.660 --> 00:30:34.140
bigger fish in the ocean. Walt firmly thought

00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:36.799
he was the apex shark, but he just blindly swam

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.920
right into the whale's mouth. I really want to

00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:40.400
leave our listener with a provocative thought

00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.900
to chew on as we close out. We spent a lot of

00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:45.359
time talking about the man provides speech. We

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.160
talked at length about the massive super lab.

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.119
Right, we did. So here is the final question

00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.700
for you listening. If Gus Fring hadn't explicitly

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.220
appealed to Walt's deep vanity, if he had just

00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.539
offered him more money but kept the lab hidden

00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:01.059
in some dirty basement somewhere, would Walt

00:31:01.059 --> 00:31:03.460
have actually said yes to cooking again? That

00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:06.119
is the ultimate question, isn't it? Was it ever

00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.880
really about the money, or was it purely about

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.640
the validation? Was Walt actually fully out of

00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.220
the game, or was the monster just sleeping inside

00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:16.200
and waiting for someone to finally compliment

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.960
its chemistry skills? I think deep down we all

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.039
know the terrifying answer to that. And that

00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.940
is exactly what makes this episode so brilliant.

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.180
The massive capacity for evil wasn't forced upon

00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.480
Walter White. It was simply unlocked with the

00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.059
right words. On that incredibly cheerful note,

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.720
we're going to wrap it up for today. A huge thank

00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.819
you to you, our listener, for sticking with us

00:31:36.819 --> 00:31:38.900
through the shiny super lab and all the domestic

00:31:38.900 --> 00:31:41.480
heartbreak. It has been a real pleasure unpacking

00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.799
this with you. If you enjoyed this deep dive,

00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:46.440
please keep the conversation going in your own

00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.519
circles. Think about your own version of Moss.

00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:52.839
What is the one thing you are currently chasing

00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.480
that might secretly be costing you way too much?

00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:57.279
Tread lightly out there. Until next time.
