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Welcome back to the deep dive. If you're joining

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us today, it's because you aren't satisfied with

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just the surface level stuff. Right. You want

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the mechanics. Exactly. You want to crack the

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casing open and see how the gears actually turn.

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And today, oh man, today we are looking at some

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very dark, very intricate gears. It is good to

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be back. And you are right about the dark part.

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We are dissecting 47 minutes of television that

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I honestly believe changed the medium forever.

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That is a massive claim, but looking at the stack

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of research we have sitting right here, the articles,

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the interviews, the critical essays from 2009,

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I think you might be entirely right. I mean,

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we're diving into Breaking Bad. But not the whole

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show. We aren't doing the typical, you know,

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Heisenberg is a cool badass thing. No, no, we

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are laser focused on one specific pivotal span

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of television. Season two. Episode 12. Phoenix.

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Phoenix. Aired May 24th, 2009. Written by John

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Chapman and directed by Colin Buxy. And our mission

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today for you listening is to use the Wikipedia

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entry as our roadmap to explore why this specific

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episode is considered a total masterpiece of

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tension. Tension, character development, and

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just unbearable tragedy. Unbearable is the word.

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Because if you ask any television historian to

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point to the exact moment, Walter White stopped

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being a desperate father and started being a

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monster. They point to the final 60 seconds of

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this exact episode. It's the event horizon. He

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crosses it and you just can't come back. But

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what's so wild and what we're going to unpack

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today is how the episode is meticulously structured

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to get us there. Right. Because it's not just

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Walt doing a bad thing out of nowhere. The entire

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episode is this relentless pressure cooker designed

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to force that precise moment. Precisely. We are

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going way beyond the plot. We all know what happens,

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but we want to understand. how it happens. We're

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going to look at the plot mechanics, the behind

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the scenes production secrets, the critical reception.

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And some very specific acting choices that led

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to major awards. Yeah, we're going to talk about

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a specific piece of special effects makeup, a

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chest cast that tells you just how physically

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brutal the production actually was for the actors.

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And an actor having to imagine their own child

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dying just to get the emotion right. Right. It

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is heavy stuff. But to understand it, we have

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to start with the stress. The episode kicks off

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with Walt in a massive professional crisis colliding

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with a personal crisis. It is the ultimate breaking

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bad squeeze. He has the inventory, the blue meth,

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and he barely manages to deliver it to Gus Fring

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in time. Gus Fring, who is the ultimate on time

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guy. If you're late, you're done. So Walt makes

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the delivery. He succeeds professionally. But

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the consequence of that success is devastating.

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He misses the birth of his daughter, Holly. He

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misses the birth. And we have to just sit with

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the irony of that. Right, because his entire

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justification, his mantra from day one, has been

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that he's doing all of this for his family. I

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do this for my family. Exactly. But the very

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act of providing for them literally removes him

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from the most important family moment imaginable.

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And the way this is shown at the hospital is

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just brilliant visual storytelling. Oh, it's

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so good. Walt finally arrives. He's frantic,

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he's sweaty, he probably smells like chemicals.

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He bursts into the hospital room and what does

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he see? He sees Skyler and the baby. But Walt

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isn't the one who got her there. No, it's her

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boss, Ted Benicki. Ted is standing right there

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near the bed. He's playing the role of the supportive

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partner. He drove her. He was present. And looked

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up locking in that scene. Ted is physically embedded

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in the family unit while Walt is standing in

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the doorway. Framed totally out of it. It's complete

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domestic displacement. He has been replaced.

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He just made over a million dollars in a drug

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deal. But in the room that actually matters,

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he is an outsider. And it fuels his resentment

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so deeply, because he feels like a martyr, right?

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Like he's doing all this hard work and getting

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zero appreciation. Which perfectly sets up his

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inability to share his success. Yes, the secret

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stash. This leads to the garage scene, which

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highlights his isolation so well. He has the

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money now, stacks of it. But he can't tell his

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wife. He can't tell his teenage son. So what

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does he do? He privately shows the cash to the

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newborn baby. Inside the dusky garage walls.

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He pulls back the pink fiberglass insulation

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to reveal the hidden stacks of green money. And

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he's standing there with this soft innocent baby

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showing her the corrupt drug money. He says something

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like, Daddy did that for you. It is so pathetic.

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He is so utterly alone that he can only share

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his massive criminal success with an infant.

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An infant who has no concept of what money is?

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She can't validate him. It just proves he's really

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doing it for his own ego. He needs to show off

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his empire, even if it's to a baby. And that

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profound isolation Walt feels is a perfect mirror

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for what's happening on the other side of town

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with Jessie and Jane. The spiral of addiction.

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Jane's double life is fully collapsing in this

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episode. Kristen Ritter plays Jane, and she brings

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this incredibly tragic duality to the role. Because

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she's not just Jessie's girlfriend who uses heroin.

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She's a daughter. Right. And her morning routine

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shows how exhausting that double life is. She

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wakes up to a call from her father. Donald Margolis.

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Yes. And she immediately lies to him. She says

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she's late for a narcotics anonymous meeting.

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Hiding her relapse instantly. It's just reflex

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at this point. And that lie continues into their

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lunch meeting. Oh, the lynch scene is so painful.

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Donald asks about Jesse and Jane acts like she

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barely knows him, right in front of Jesse. Or

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at least she plays it off to completely isolate

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Jesse from her real life. She treats him like

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a stranger because she knows her dad would intervene

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if he knew she was dating a user. But Jesse is

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already dealing with so much trauma and now the

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woman he loves is essentially acting ashamed

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of him. It breaks his heart. Uh huh. But Jane's

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wall of lies doesn't hold up for long. No. The

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second call happens. Donald calls when Jane is

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late for another rehab meeting. But this time,

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it's an ambush. Donald is waiting outside. Unbeknownst

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to Jane, he sees her leaving Jessie's apartment.

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He puts the pieces together. And he barges in.

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He finds the evidence. The heroin. It's sitting

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right there. And Donald is furious. He gives

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her a massive ultimatum. He threatens to call

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the police on his own daughter. Which shows you

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just how terrified and desperate he is to save

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her life. He only stops because Jane begs him.

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She promises to enter rehab the very next day.

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She asks for one more chance. And Donald gives

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it to her. That is the tragedy. He leaves her

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there for one more night. Which gives us the

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climax of Jesse's financial demand because Jesse

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wants his money to escape. Jesse demands his

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share of the drug money from Wald. Almost half

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a million dollars. Four hundred and eighty thousand

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to be exact. And Walt flat out refuses. Walt

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argues that giving Jesse that much cash while

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he is actively using heroin is a death sentence.

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He says he'll only pay him when he's clean. Now,

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we have to look at this objectively. Is Walt

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wrong? Not at all. Giving a heroin addict half

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a million dollars is basically handing them a

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loaded weapon. So Walt is doing the right thing.

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Well, yes and no. He is factually correct about

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the danger, but Walt's true motivation is usually

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control. Right. He doesn't like Jesse making

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demands. He doesn't like Jesse slipping away

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from his influence. Exactly. And that power dynamic

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shifts entirely when Jane steps in. Jane intervenes.

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She calls Walt directly to blackmail him. She

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threatens to expose him. She said she'll blow

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the whistle on the high school teacher making

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meth if he doesn't bring the cash. It's a bold

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move, but it seals her fate. She has no idea

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who she's really dealing with. She thinks she's

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dealing with a cowardly chemistry teacher, not

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a burgeoning drug kingpin. But her blackmail

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works temporarily. Walt Caves. He delivers the

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money to Jessie and Jane in these big duffel

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bags. And their reaction is pure euphoria. They

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are ecstatic. They immediately start talking

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about getting clean and running away to New Zealand

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to be graphic designers. It's a total fantasy.

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Because even as they're planning this beautiful

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clean life, the source material notes they still

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feel a strong pull to use their remaining heroin.

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The money doesn't cure the addiction. It just

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funds it. Before we see the result of that, we

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really need to touch on the money laundering

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subplot. The Save Walter White website. Yes.

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Because Walt has all this cash now, but he has

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a major problem. He can't use it for his cancer

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surgery without raising massive suspicion from

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his family and the IRS. So Walter Jr., his sweet

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teenage son, creates a website for donations

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using PayPal. It's so well -intentioned. But

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Saul Goodman, Walt's sleazy lawyer, sees it as

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the perfect loophole. Saul proposes using a hacker.

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They make it look like small, anonymous donations

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are pouring in from computers all over the world.

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But really, it's just Walt's own drug money being

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drip fed back into his legitimate bank account.

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It is a brilliant scheme. but it is psychological

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torture for Walt. Because he has to sit there

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and watch his son take the credit for saving

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the family while Walt has to pretend to be a

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humble charity case. He hates charity. And he

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can't even brag about the fact that he actually

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earned the money himself. It's the perfect encapsulation

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of his ego problem. But all of this stress drives

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Walt out of the house. Which brings us to the

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coincidence at the bar. This is such a fascinating

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narrative choice. Walt goes to a bar to unwind,

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and he unknowingly sits right next to Donald

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Margolis. Jane's father. Sitting next to Jessie's

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father figure. The extreme narrative coincidence

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of this meeting brings these two desperate fathers

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together. A lot of critics talk about this moment.

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It feels incredibly fateful. And they strike

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up a conversation. They discuss the Phoenix probe's

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discovery of water on Mars. Which gives the episode

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its title. The idea of finding something precious

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in a totally desolate landscape. And quickly,

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the conversation turns to their family frustrations.

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They bond over the difficulty of trying to help

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family members who absolutely refuse to do what

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is good for them. Donald talks about his daughter,

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though he doesn't name Jane. And Walt talks about

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his quote unquote nephew, referring to Jesse.

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And Donald gives Walt this key piece of advice.

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He says that one can never give up on one's family.

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Never give up on family. Those words resonate

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so deeply with Walt. They inspire him. They are

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the catalyst for the entire climax of the episode.

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Because of Donald's advice, Walt decides to return

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to Jesse's house that night. He goes back to

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not give up on his nephew. He breaks in, or sneaks

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in, and finds Jesse and Jane passed out in bed

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from the heroin use. And this is the turning

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point of the entire series. The physical action

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in this scene is so deliberate. Walt leans over

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the bed and tries to shake Jesse awake. But in

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the process of shaking Jesse, he inadvertently

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knocks Jane. She was sleeping on her side, propped

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up with a pillow, which addicts do so they don't

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choke if they get sick. But Walt's physical action

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knocks her onto her back. And the biological

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reaction is almost immediate. Jane starts to

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choke on her own vomit. And we have to break

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down Walt's reaction here because it happens

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in three distinct stages. Stage one. Human instinct.

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He rushes to the other side of the bed to help

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her. His hands literally reach out to roll her

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back over. It would take one second to save her

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life. But then comes stage two, hesitation. He

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stops. You see the mental calculation happening

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behind his eyes. He realizes that this woman

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just blackmailed him. She is threatening his

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freedom and she is taking Jesse away from him.

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And stage three, he changes his mind. He pulls

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his hands back. And he just watches. He lets

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her die. He stands there and listens to her choke

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to death. It is horrifying. The aftermath on

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his face is so complex. He begins to cry. The

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tears actually fall. He is devastated by what

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he is allowing himself to do. But he doesn't

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look away. The script says he looks on resolutely.

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The tears stop, and the coldness takes over.

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He accepts the monster he has to become to survive.

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Let's talk about the production and acting insights

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here, because capturing that moment took an incredible

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toll on everyone involved. Brian Cranston playing

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Walter White and Kristen Ritter as Jane Margolis.

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We have to talk about Ritter's experience filming

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this death scene. Her initial reaction when she

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read the script was actually quite different

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from the reality of shooting it. Yeah, she thought

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the death scene would be rock and roll. She thought

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it would be fun to act out. But the reality of

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lying there, pretending to choke on your own

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fluids, became incredibly intense. They even

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had to use special effects makeup for the logistics

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of it all. They built a cast for her chest. A

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physical plate so that Aaron Paul, who plays

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Jesse, could pound on it during the resuscitation

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attempts in the following scenes without hurting

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her. It makes you realize how physical and violent

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the whole sequence was. And Ritter noted something

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very striking about Cranston after they filmed

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the choking scene. She says she saw Bryan Cranston

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sitting quietly in the corner after the take

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and described him as just looking completely

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intense and shaken. We actually know why he looked

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that way, thanks to his memoir, A Life in Parts.

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He wrote about his method for that specific moment.

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Cranston actually imagined his own real -life

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daughter, Taylor Dearden, as Jane during the

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filming. He pictured his own child choking to

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death in that bed so he could conjure that level

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of pure panic and grief. He described it as the

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most harrowing scene he did on Breaking Bad.

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The reviews and analysis immediately recognized

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what a milestone it was. She noted how it perfectly

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captured the theme of how parents and children

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disappoint each other. She said it was perhaps

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the single best episode to date of the entire

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show. And Alan Sepinwall, writing for What's

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Alan Watching, praised Cranston's performance

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heavily. He made a brilliant comparison. He compared

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this episode to the Sopranos episode, Kennedy

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and Heidi. Where Tony Soprano suffocates Christopher.

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Right. Another anti -hero choosing to let a younger

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surrogate family member die for their own self

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-preservation. It's a fantastic parallel. IGN's

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Seth Amidon. gave it an 8 .9 out of 10, noting

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how effectively it pushed the tension right up

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to the finale. And the awards recognized the

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achievement too. Bryan Cranston won his second

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of three consecutive Outstanding Lead Actor Emmy

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Awards for this exact performance. And the writer,

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John Chibon, was nominated for a Writers Guild

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of America Award for episodic drama. The legacy

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of Phoenix is cemented in television history.

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In 2019, The Ringer ranked it 17th out of all

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62 episodes of the show. And Vulture ranked it

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23rd overall. It always lands near the top. Because

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it's the pivot point. It's the summary of the

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show's ultimate dual nature. It is a story of

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a father trying to save his family, which is

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Walt, and a father losing his family, which is

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Donald. And those two fatherly journeys intersect

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in the most tragic way possible at that bar.

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Bringing us back to the Phoenix metaphor, the

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connection between the Mars probe discussion.

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and the themes of discovery, an absolute desolation.

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Walt discovers his true capacity for darkness

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in the desolation of that bedroom. Which brings

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us to our final thought for you to take away

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from this deep dive. We want you to consider

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the concept of passive action. Because legally,

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Walt didn't kill Jane. He didn't administer the

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drug. But he didn't save her when he easily could

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have. So where does the line between a bystander

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and a perpetrator actually blur? If you choose

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to do nothing when doing something costs you

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nothing, are you a murderer? Morally, he crossed

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the line. We encourage you to go back and re

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-watch the bar scene with all of this in mind.

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Watch it knowing exactly who Donald is and knowing

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the tragic irony of the advice he gives. The

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father of the victim accidentally gives the killer

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the motivation to be in the room. It is haunting.

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It really is. Thank you for diving deep with

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us today. Remember that even in fiction, the

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most powerful and devastating moments often come

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from quiet decisions rather than loud explosions.

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Well said. We will catch you on the next one.
