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Welcome back to another Deep Dive. Today we're

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engaging in a bit of time travel. Oh, I love

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a good time travel segment. Right. We are going

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back to an era where, you know, flannel was in,

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the internet was just this weird novelty, and

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television was, well, it was this massive singular

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campfire that the whole country basically gathered

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around. The monoculture. Exactly, the monoculture.

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We are looking specifically at the 1994 to 1995

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television season. Which is, I mean, it's a completely

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pivotal year in pop culture history. You had

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the launch of Friends. You had ER just entirely

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changing the drama landscape. Yeah. But amidst

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all that new blood, you had a show entering its

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second year that decided it wasn't just going

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to survive. It was going to completely dominate.

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And we are, of course, talking about season two

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of Frasier. Frasier Crane. Now, usually when

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we talk about TV history on this show. We obsess

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over pilots, you know, that first spark. Or we

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argue about finales. Right, the finale. But the

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second season is arguably the most dangerous

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time for a show. It's the prove -it year. It's

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the filter, really. In the industry, they call

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it the sophomore slump. The dreaded sophomore

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slump. Yeah, and the idea is that you have your

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whole entire life to write your first album,

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or in this case, your first season of TV. You

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pour every single good idea you've ever had into

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those first 24 episodes. Because you just want

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to stay on the air. Exactly. Then suddenly you're

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on a deadline, the novelty has completely worn

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off, and you have to do it again. But better.

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Which is where most shows just stumble. They

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rehash old jokes, or they try to change way too

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much way too fast. But looking at the stack of

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research we have for you today, I mean, production

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notes, the ratings archives, all the critical

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reviews, season two of Frasier didn't just avoid

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the slump. It honestly seems like they didn't

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even know the slump existed. They ignored it

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entirely. This season, which ran from September

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20th, 1994 to May 23rd, 1995 on NBC, is often

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cited by critics as literally one of the most

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perfect seasons of sitcom television ever produced.

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Because it's the season where the show figured

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out exactly what it was. It stopped being, you

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know, just a spinoff of Cheers and really started

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being the Frasier that we all know and love.

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Now, before we get into the heavy analysis of

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the writing and those amazing farce mechanics,

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I want to start with something small. Okay. It's

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this visual detail I found in the production

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notes. So if you go back and watch season one.

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The opening title card, you know that iconic

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line drawing of the Seattle skyline? The one

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with the little animated elevator, the lights?

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Yeah, that one. In season one, it was a bit all

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over the place. It was blue, it was yellow, sometimes

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orange. They were definitely just testing the

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waters. Right, they were still iterating on the

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branding, seeing what stuck. But in season two,

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they made a very specific choice. The title card

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goes red, and it stays red. It's a subtle shift,

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but semiotically, it's huge. How so? Well, in

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design language, red is aggressive. It's bold.

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It completely demands your attention. So changing

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the branding to a consistent, bold red signals

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confidence. It basically tells the viewer, we

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aren't experimenting anymore. We know who we

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are. Sit down and watch. And people really did

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watch. Which brings me to the mission of this

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deep dive for you listening. We aren't just here

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to recount funny jokes. We are trying to actually

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understand how this specific season cemented

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the show's legacy. So we're looking at the mechanics

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of the farce. Yes, the farce. The integration

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of the Cheers history, which was a massive risk.

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Huge risk. And a guest caller list that is frankly

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insane. But we have to start with the sheer scale

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of the success, just the footprint of it. The

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numbers. I was looking at the Nielsen ratings

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for this season and my jaw hit the floor because

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we live in a world now where if a show gets,

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say, three or four million viewers on a streaming

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platform, it's a massive hit. Oh, yeah. Four

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million is a cultural phenomenon today. They'll

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green light three spinoffs for four million.

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OK, so keep that in mind. In season two of Frasier.

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There's an episode we're going to discuss later

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called The Show, where Sam shows up. It pulled

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in 26 .4 million viewers in the United States

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alone. 26 .4 million. It's absurd. That is Super

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Bowl territory in the modern era. That is a number

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that simply does not exist in scripted television

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anymore because the audience is just so fragmented

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now. But back then. Frazier was operating on

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a level of monoculture dominance that is genuinely

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hard to even comprehend. And the craziest part

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is it wasn't just the big stunt episodes that

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did those numbers. Even a standard, totally middle

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-of -the -road episode like The Botched Language

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of Cranes, which is literally just Frazier making

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a stupid mistake on the radio, drew 23 .8 million

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people. Just for a regular Tuesday night. Exactly.

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They were consistently the number one or number

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two show in the weekly rankings. Think about

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what that actually means, though. You have 24

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million everyday people tuning in to watch two

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Jungian psychiatrists drink sherry, discuss opera,

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and quote Gilbert and Sullivan. Right. On paper,

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this show should have been so niche. It should

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have been strictly for the highbrow crowd, the

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PBS crowd. But the absolute genius of season

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two was proving that highbrow characters could

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have massive lowbrow appeal if the writing was

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sharp enough. It's that perfect mix of high and

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low that... Totally defines the show, and the

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industry definitely rewarded it. The award sweep

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for this season is just a laundry list of gold

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statues. It really was the Triple Crown, effectively.

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They won the Primetime Emmy for Outstanding Comedy

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Series in 1995. Which is the big one. Right.

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That's the Academy saying, you are the best.

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But they also won the Producers Guild of America

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Award. Which, if you know the industry, is often

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a harder nut to crack because that's the money

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people. That's the people who actually physically

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make television saying. We respect how you're

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producing this. And they took the TCA award,

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the Television Critics Association. So you have

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the critics, the producers and the Academy all

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in complete alignment. Which never happens. That

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kind of consensus is incredibly rare. Usually

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the critics love some weird indie show and the

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public loves the broad multicam comedy. Frasier

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season two was the Venn diagram overlap of literally

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everything. But awards and ratings are just the

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result. We need to talk about the cause, what

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was actually happening on screen that made this

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work so flawlessly. I think we have to start

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with the ensemble. Absolutely, because season

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one established the basic archetypes. Frasier

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is the pompous one. Niles is the fussier one.

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Martin is the regular guy dad. Daphne is the

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quirky psychic. Roz is the cynical producer.

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But season two is where they break those flat

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archetypes and start building actual three -dimensional

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people. Let's focus on Niles first, because I

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really feel like season two is the Niles Crane

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breakout year. 100 % is. The writers realized

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that David Hyde Pierce was this physical comedy

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genius. He's almost like a silent film star living

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in the 90s. Buster Keaton in a bespoke suit.

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Exactly. And they gave him material that really

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leaned into that. The episode that everyone always

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points to here is Flower Child. An absolute classic.

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The premise is so simple, it honestly sounds

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like a high school improv game. Niles witnesses

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a birth, gets totally freaked out about his own

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mortality and his lack of a legacy, and decides

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to see if he's actually ready for fatherhood.

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But because he's Niles, he doesn't babysit a

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human. No. He adopts a sack of flour. It's a

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sack of flour, and it sounds ridiculous. Man

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carries a bag of flour. But let's actually analyze

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the mechanics of why this works so well. It works

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because Niles takes it 100 % seriously. He projects

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all of his insecurities, all of his deep loneliness,

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and all of his repressed love onto this completely

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inanimate baking ingredient. There's that incredible

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physical comedy sequence where he's trying to

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be so gentle with it, but he keeps almost destroying

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it. He drops it. He bumps its head. It perfectly

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highlights his clumsiness in the real physical

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world. But then there's the emotional payoff.

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Oh, the turn. That turn is the secret sauce of

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Frasier. At the end of the episode, the sack

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rips. Now, a lesser show would just have him

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say, oh, well, back to the bakery. But Niles

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is totally devastated. He really is. He looks

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at this pile of white powder on the floor and

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he isn't seeing flour. He is seeing his own utter

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inability to protect something he cares about.

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it's actually heartbreaking it creates a moment

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of genuine pathos it tells the audience yes this

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man is a total snob yes he is ridiculous but

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he has a massive heart that is currently breaking

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and that deeper layer is what kept 24 million

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people coming back every week they weren't just

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laughing at him They were rooting for him. Speaking

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of rooting for Niles, we have to talk about the

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Daphne dynamic. Oh, the unrequited love. Exactly.

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That was established in season one. But season

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two is where the tension actually starts to affect

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the household dynamics. It's where the boundaries

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get tested. There's a very important episode

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called Daphne's Room. And this one is fascinating

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because it's not really about romance at all.

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It's about privacy. Boundaries. Right. Fraser

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goes into Daphne's room to get a book. Which

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is a clear violation. And then he goes back in

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to return some medicine. He just keeps crossing

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the threshold. And Daphne explodes. And honestly,

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she should. This episode is so critical because

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it completely redefines Daphne's status in the

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house. In season one, you could argue she's just

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the help. She's an employee. But in Daphne's

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room, she asserts her rights as a resident. She

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forces Frasier, the man whose name is on the

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lease and pays her salary, to respect her space.

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It completely shifts the power dynamic. If Daphne

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is just a servant, the jokes about her being

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eccentric feel a little like punching down. But

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if she is a powerful equal who can literally

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scream at Frasier and make him cower, then the

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playing field is level. It allows the comedy

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to be much sharper. And then you have those romantic

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undertones constantly simmering. We'll get to

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the matchmaker in the farce section, but that

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episode only works because we, the audience,

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know how desperately Niles loves her. And how

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oblivious Frasier is to that dynamic. Exactly.

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Let's pivot to the other main relationship in

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the core cast. Frasier and Martin. The father

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and son. The central conflict of the entire series.

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The Ivy League versus the Police League. By season

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two, they've thankfully moved past the initial,

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you know, I can't believe we lived together shock.

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Now they are genuinely trying to find common

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ground. And it usually goes terribly wrong. It

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really does. But the attempt is what matters.

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Take the episode Breaking the Ice. Oh, the ice

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fishing episode. Just the visual is funny. You

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have Fraser and Niles dressed in designer thermal

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wear, looking like they're about to go on a very

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expensive expedition to the North Pole. While

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sitting in a tiny wooden shack with Martin, who

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is just drinking a regular beer in a flannel

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shirt. It's a massive clash of aesthetics. But

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deeper than that, it's a clash of emotional languages.

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Frasier is completely obsessed with having a

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quote -unquote breakthrough. He wants to verbally

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articulate his love. He wants the scene from

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a movie where the father and son cry and hug.

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I love you, Dad. I love you, son. Exactly. But

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Martin is a glaring example of the silent generation.

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He shows love by spending time. By sharing a

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beer. by sitting in the freezing cold together

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for hours. Frazier totally fails to recognize

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that the act of fishing is the breakthrough.

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It's that deep frustration of, why won't you

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speak my language? Versus, why won't you listen

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to mine? And then they beautifully flip the script

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in, retirement is murder. In Breaking the Ice,

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Frazier tries to enter Martin's world. In Retirement

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is Murder, Frazier tries to bring Martin into

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his world. Oh, the cold case. Martin has this

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old police file he never solved from years ago.

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A murder involving a circus performer, I think.

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Right. And Frazier decides, I can solve this.

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I am an esteemed psychiatrist. I can build a

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flawless psychological profile of the killer.

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And his arrogance is just palpable. He truly

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thinks his medical degree makes him a better

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homicide detective than his father who did it

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for decades. And for a while, the episode totally

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tricks you. They find a suspect. The profile

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fits perfectly. It looks like the Crane brothers

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have actually done it. They are celebrating their

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sheer intellectual superiority. And then the

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twist. The glorious twist. Frazier realizes that

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based on all the physical evidence, the actual

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culprit was a chimpanzee. A literal chimp. It

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completely undercutched the pretension. You cannot

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psychoanalyze a chimp. It's the show telling

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us that sometimes the world isn't complex and

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Freudian. Sometimes it's just chaotic and primal.

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And it completely vindicates Martin's worldview

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that street smarts in reality often trump high

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minded theory. Absolutely. And that chaotic element

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leads us perfectly into the next section. Because

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if there is one single word that defines season

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two of Frasier, it is farce. Yes, the farce.

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This is the season where they fully mastered

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the bedroom farce. Now, for our listeners who

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might not be huge theater nerds, how would you

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define farce in this specific context? How is

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it different from just a funny sitcom? Well,

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a standard sitcom usually relies on what we call

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setup, punchline. You say something funny, the

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audience laughs. A farce is structural. It relies

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entirely on a comedy of errors. It requires multiple

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characters to have totally different sets of

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information, usually based on a huge misunderstanding.

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And they're interacting in a confined space.

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Right, with lots of doors, lots of entrances

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and exits. It's really about the machinery of

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the plot. Exactly. It's a clockwork mechanism.

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If one person enters the room five seconds too

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early, the entire joke fails. And season two

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has what many critics consider the greatest farce

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episode in the history of American television.

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Matchmaker. The matchmaker. I rewatched this

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for the deep dive, and it is honestly astonishing

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how well it holds up. Let's break down the mechanics

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for the listener. So the setup. Frazier, being

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the absolute meddler that he is, decides Daphne

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is lonely. He finds the new station manager,

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Tom Duran, played brilliantly by Eric Lutz. Frazier

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thinks Tom is a great catch. Smart, successful,

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handsome. So Frazier invites Tom over for dinner.

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But, and here is the key to the entire mechanism,

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he never explicitly says, I am setting you up

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with Daphne. He uses incredibly vague language.

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He says things like, there's someone I'm dying

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for you to meet, or I think you two will really

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hit it off. And the missing piece of information

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for Frasier is that Tom is gay. Right. So Tom

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hears Frasier, a single, impeccably groomed man

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who loves opera and finds Sherry inviting him

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for an intimate private dinner. Tom naturally

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assumes Frasier's asking him out. And meanwhile,

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Daphne assumes the dinner is strictly for business.

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And Niles assumes Frasier is just being a shameless

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social climber. Everyone is in the exact same

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room, essentially having four entirely different

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conversations. The writing here is surgical.

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There is a scene involving a cigarette that is

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just, it's agonizingly funny. Tom pulls out a

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cigarette. Frasier, trying to be the perfect

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host to impress Tom for Daphne's sake, rushes

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over to light it for him. He stares very intensely

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into Tom's eyes. He is leaning way in. Right,

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because from Frasier's perspective, he's just

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being incredibly polite. But from Tom's perspective,

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he is being actively seduced. And then Niles

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walks in. And Niles sees this incredibly intimate

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moment between his brother and his boss and adds

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his own wrong interpretation to the pile. It

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just builds and builds until the tension is completely

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unbearable. And the climax, when the truth finally

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comes out, it's not malicious. That's what makes

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it work so well. No one is the bad guy. It's

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purely a massive failure of communication driven

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entirely by Fraser's hubris. That is the Fraser

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formula in a nutshell. Hubris leads directly

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to humiliation. Which is honestly the perfect

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tagline for another key farce episode from this

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season, The Innkeepers. Oh, the restaurant episode.

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This one is less about misunderstanding and a

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lot more about pure, unfiltered arrogance. Frazier

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and Niles hear that this old, historic Seattle

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restaurant is closing. So naturally, they decide

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to buy it themselves. Because they eat at nice

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restaurants, so obviously they can run one. It's

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bulletproof logic. It's the Dunning -Kruger effect

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in action. They assume their good taste is an

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adequate substitute for actual business acumen.

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And the opening night is a disaster of biblical

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proportions. The chefs quit, the sprinklers go

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off, and the Cherry's Jubilee incident. Oh, man.

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The visual of them trying to serve this flaming

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dessert while the fire sprinklers are literally

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raining down on them in the dining room, it's

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the ultimate punishment for their snobbery. It's

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the cranes versus the real world, and the real

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world wins by a knockout. There's one more episode

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in this farce category I really want to touch

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on because it brings in a totally different kind

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of insanity. The candidate. This is their foray

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into political satire. Frazier decides to formally

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endorse a political candidate, Phil Patterson.

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He's the intellectual choice. Martin, of course,

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supports the other guy. Frazier wants the high

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road. He wants the smart, sophisticated candidate.

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But then Patterson privately confides in Frazier.

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He trusts him because he's a psychiatrist. And

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he reveals that he was, well... Abducted by aliens.

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It's such a massive left turn. And you just watch

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Kelsey Grammer's face. He is totally stuck. He

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has publicly endorsed this man. He's on the television

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commercial. But the man genuinely believes he

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was on a spaceship. It plays beautifully on the

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fear of the public secret. Frazier is trapped

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right between his ethics, patient confidentiality,

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and his reputation, which means endorsing a madman.

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And he accidentally reveals it on air. He completely

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destroys the campaign with one slip of the tongue.

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It's a great commentary on just how fragile political

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images really are. One slip, one weird story,

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and it's over. And again, it's Frazier trying

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to control the uncontrollable. Whether it's a

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restaurant, a dinner party, or a political campaign,

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he thinks he can steer the ship. And every single

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time, he crashes it right into the rocks. Which

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transitions nicely to another episode about controlling

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the uncontrollable. The unkindest cut of all.

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Ah, Eddie. Right. A domestic dispute that just

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escalates. Eddie, Martin's dog. Father's a litter

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of puppies. And Frasier tries to arrange for

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Eddie to be neutered because Martin just flat

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out refuses to do it. It's Frasier trying to

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exert control over nature. Over this dog that

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he frankly despises. But he can't. Now, moving

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on. We cannot talk about season two without addressing

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the giant beer -swilling elephant in the room.

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The Cheers Connection. This was a really dangerous

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game for the Raiders. Season one worked so hard

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to distance itself from Cheers, they wanted to

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stand on their own two feet. But by season two,

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they finally felt confident enough to start bringing

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the old gang back. But what I love is they didn't

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just do cheap cameos. They did really deep character

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work. The big one, obviously, is the show where

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Sam shows up. Ted Danson returns. And the ratings,

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as we mentioned earlier, were astronomical, 26

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.4 million. But watching it now, it's not just

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a happy reunion. It's actually kind of profoundly

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sad. It really is. The dynamic has completely

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flipped. In Cheers, Sam was the cool one. He

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was the center of the world. And Frasier was

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just the weird, stuffy sidekick at the end of

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the bar. Now Frasier has the career, the fame,

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the beautiful apartment, the family. And Sam,

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Sam is still just Sam. He's an aging playboy.

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There's a real melancholy to Ted Danson's performance

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in this. He's still charming, obviously, but

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he feels a bit lost. And then the plot kicks

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in. Sam is getting married. He wants advice from

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his old psychiatrist buddy. And Frazier realizes

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he has actually slept with Sam's fiancee, Sheila.

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Played by Taya Leone. Yes, Taya Leone. And it

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turns the reunion into a genuine ethical dilemma.

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It's super messy. It's not just pure fan service.

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It's a real test of their friendship. It forces

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them to be honest with each other in a way they

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maybe never were back at the bar in Boston. And

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then, on the complete opposite end of the spectrum

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from Sad Sam, we have the return of the Ice Queen,

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Lilith. Vivian Neuwirth. You honestly cannot

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tell the story of Frasier Crane without Lilith

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Sternen. They bring her back in this massive

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two -part epic, Adventures in Paradise. Frasier

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is really trying to move on. He's dating a new

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woman, Madeline, played by Jo Beth Williams.

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They go to Bora Bora. It's supposed to be incredibly

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romantic. And in a moment of pure sitcom nightmare

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fuel, he wakes up, looks at the other bed in

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the romantic bungalow. and sees Lilith. The scream.

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The sheer horror on his face is unmatched. It

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works so well because Lilith represents the baggage

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he simply can't leave behind. You can fly all

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the way to the South Pacific, but your past travels

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right with you. And the chemistry between Kelsey

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Grammer and Bebe Neuwirth is just electric. They

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snap at each other. They banter. You implicitly

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believe these two were married and tortured each

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other. And there's a very special credit in that

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Bora Bora episode. Special appearance by Shelley

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Long. Diane Chambers. She appears in a dream

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sequence. It completes the trifecta. You have

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Sam, Lilith, and Diane all haunting Frasier in

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this single season. The writers were using the

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dense history of Cheers, not as a crutch, but

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as a legitimate way to psychoanalyze Frasier.

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These are the ghosts of his past relationships,

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and he has to confront them to actually move

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forward. Moving from ghosts of the past to demons

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of the present, I want to talk about the Rogues

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Gallery. Season two introduced or fleshed out

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some of the absolute best antagonists in the

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show's entire run. And at the very top of that

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list is Bebe Glazer. Frasier's agent. Played

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by Harriet Sansom Harris. This character is,

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she is just delicious. She is pure id. In the

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episode Agents in America Part 3, Frasier wants

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a raise. The station says no. So he unleashes

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Bebe. Bebe is the anti -Frasier. Frasier is totally

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obsessed with ethics and morality. Bebe has absolutely

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none. She is manipulative. She lies compulsively.

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She smokes like a chimney. She is essentially

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the devil in a pantsuit. There's a real seduction

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element to it. Not sexual, really, but professional.

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Yeah. She seduces him with the promise of fame.

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I can make you a star, darling. She represents

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the temptation of completely selling out. And

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watching Frazier, who prides himself on his steadfast

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integrity, get swept up in her chaos is completely

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fascinating. He hates her methods, but he absolutely

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loves the results. When we have the bullies.

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This season really liked to remind the crane

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boys that they are, at their core, physically

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weak. In Seed of Power, they hire a plumber.

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Danny Creasel, played by John C. McGinley. Who

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turns out to be a childhood bully who used to

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mercilessly torment Niles. It creates this intense

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regression. Frazier and Niles are highly successful,

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wealthy men in expensive suits. But the moment

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this guy walks into the apartment with a wrench,

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they immediately revert to being scared little

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boys. It really grounds them. It reminds us that

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their high status is incredibly fragile. And

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we see a totally different kind of bullying in

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Roz in the doghouse. Bulldog, the sports host

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at the radio station, tries to poach Roz. And

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Frazier insults Roz, basically implying she's

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only getting the job offer because Bulldog wants

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to sleep with her. Which is a terrible thing

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to say. It is. It's totally sexist and dismissive

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of her talent. And Roz quits. But then Bulldog

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actually does try to sleep with her. Which puts

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Frasier in a huge bind. He was right about Bulldog's

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intentions, but he was entirely wrong to say

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it the way he did. He has to actually swallow

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his massive pride and apologize to Roz to get

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her back. It solidifies their loyalty. It shows

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that Frasier values Roz way more than his own

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ego. Eventually... And one more rogue before

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we move on. The thief. Nathan Lane. Oh, this

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is a gem. Fool me once, shame on you. Dathan

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Lane plays a con man who steals Frazier's briefcase.

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And because Frazier literally keeps his entire

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life in that bag, the guy basically steals his

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identity. And when Frazier finally catches him,

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instead of calling the cops, what does he do?

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He tries to treat him. He tries to psychoanalyze

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the criminal while the criminal is actively robbing

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him again. Why do you feel the need to steal?

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Let's unpack this. It is the ultimate expression

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of Frasier's fatal flaw. He thinks he can talk

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his way out of anything. He truly thinks his

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intellect solves all human problems and the thief

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just plays him like a fiddle. Frasier actually

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ends up getting arrested for disturbing the peace.

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It's brilliant. Now, we have to touch on a specific

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quirk of Frasier that really hit its stride in

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season two. The guest caller. The celebrity voices.

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Right. You see guest caller in the credits, but

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you never actually see their faces. It became

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this massive status symbol in Hollywood. If you

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were anybody in the 90s, you called into Frasier.

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It was the 90s equivalent of a viral cameo. It

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was cool precisely because it was uncredited

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in the moment. You had to have a sharp ear to

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catch it. I have the list for season two right

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here, and it is honestly staggering. I'm going

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to read a few, and I want you to tell me what

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this says about. The show's cultural reach. Hit

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me. James Fader. Lily Tomlin. Alfre Woodard.

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Serious prestige actors. Sandra Dee. Kevin Bacon.

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Yeah. Sidney Pollack. Actual movie stars and

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Oscar winning directors. Macaulay Culkin. Okay,

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stop right there. Macaulay Culkin in 1994 was

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quite literally the most famous child on planet

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Earth. He had that Home Alone money. For him

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to take the time to record a tiny voice bit for

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a sitcom. That proves Frasier was cool. It had

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totally crossover. And the voices weren't just

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random. They often played brilliantly into the

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actor's public persona. Like John Lithgow calls

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in as Madman Martinez, a used car salesman who

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is deeply depressed. Which is so funny because

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Lithgow is this grand theatrical Shakespearean

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actor. Hearing him play a sleazy, sad car dealer

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is a great inside joke for the audience. We also

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had Carly Simon, Rosie Perez, Mary Steinbergen.

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Even Shelley Duvall calls in during the finale.

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It basically turned the show into a game for

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the listener at home. Wait, was that Kevin Bacon?

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It added a whole meta layer of entertainment

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to the radio station scenes. Let's go a bit deeper

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now. We've talked comedy. We've talked guest

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stars. But Frasier is ultimately a show about

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psychology. And season two has some profoundly

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deep themes running underneath the farce. Specifically,

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Frazier's struggle with romance and authenticity.

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Frazier so desperately wants love, but he is

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often his own absolute worst enemy. He sabotages

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things with his intellect. There's the episode

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Slow Tango in South Seattle. Frazier finds out

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an old friend wrote a wildly popular book about

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his romantic past. Guest starring John O 'Hurley.

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Frazier reads the book and is highly offended.

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He feels entirely misrepresented. So he tracks

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down his former piano teacher, the actual woman

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from the story, to get quote -unquote closure.

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But it's not closure he wants. Let's be real.

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He wants validation. He wants to be told he was

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a good lover or a good person. He just can't

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let the past stay in the past. And then there

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is You Scratch My Book. This one makes me cringe

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every single time I watch it. He dates Dr. Honey

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Snow, played by Shannon Tweed. the beautiful

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self -help guru. Frazier utterly despises her

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work. He thinks it's pop psychology drivel. You

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know, hug yourself to happiness. But he finds

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her incredibly attractive, so he lies. He pretends

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to absolutely love her book. He even writes a

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glowing blurb for the jacket cover. It's pure

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intellectual dishonesty just for the sake of

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getting laid. It really is, and it spectacularly

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blows up in his face. It's the show telling us

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that you can't compromise your core values for

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romance. If you respect the mind more than anything

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else, you cannot date someone whose mind you

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do not respect, no matter how beautiful they

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are. There's also a surprisingly heavy theme

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of class guilt in Duke's We Hardly Knew Yay.

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Which brings us right back to Martin. Frazier

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and Niles, looking for a lucrative real estate

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investment, put money into a group that it turns

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out is actively demolishing Duke's. Martin's

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favorite bar, his sanctuary. The place where

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he actually feels like he belongs. There's a

00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.000
deeply uncomfortable scene where the brothers

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are celebrating their portfolio growth, drinking

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fine wine in the apartment, while Martin is quietly

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mourning the loss of his community hub. It's

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a really brutal look at gentrification. The wealthy

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sons are literally destroying the working class

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father's world to build a strip mall or a boutique

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coffee shop. It highlights that fundamental disconnect

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again. They aren't just annoying to Martin. Their

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whole lifestyle is actively erasing his history.

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But the show doesn't leave us in that dark place.

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It expertly ends the season on a very genuine

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note of unity. The finale. Dark victory. This

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is such a great ensemble piece. It's Martin's

00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:15.650
birthday. Man, everything goes completely wrong.

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The power goes out across Seattle. The classic

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blackout trope. It forces everyone into one single

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room. It totally strips away the distractions.

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You can't watch TV. You can't leave the building.

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You just have to exist together in the dark.

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Roz is there. And she's miserable because she's

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missing a big family reunion back in Wisconsin.

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She feels entirely like an outsider in the apartment.

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And the resolution of that episode is basically

00:28:39.210 --> 00:28:42.410
the thesis statement for the entire series. Fraser

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lights a single candle. He invites Roz into the

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circle. He integrates her into the Crane family

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celebration. It redefines family. It's not just

00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:52.859
the people you share DNA with. It's the people

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you share the dark with. It cements the ensemble

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perfectly. By the end of season two, Roz and

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Daphne aren't just the producer and the healthcare

00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.819
worker anymore. They are Cranes for all intents

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and purposes. So let's try to synthesize all

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of this for you. We started this deep dive asking

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how season two actually defined the show's long

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-term legacy. And I really think the answer is

00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:16.839
that season two proved the Frasier formula was

00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.319
actually sustainable. It proved you could have

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a show that was smart enough to win Peabody's,

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.660
but silly enough to win the Nielsen ratings war.

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It balanced the high culture, the opera, the

00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:29.640
expensive wine, the psychiatric jargon with the

00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.740
low culture, the exploding toilets, the flower

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sacks, the alien abductions. And it did it with

00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.859
a swagger and confidence symbolized by that.

00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.039
bold red title card. They knew they were the

00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.519
absolute best show on television and they wrote

00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:45.900
like it every single week. Before we wrap up,

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I want to leave our listener with a somewhat

00:29:47.420 --> 00:29:49.180
provocative thought that builds on what we've

00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:51.299
discussed. We mentioned the episode The Botched

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Language of Cranes earlier. Frazier makes an

00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.759
offhand comment on the radio about Seattle being

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dreary. And the entire city completely turns

00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.240
on him. He becomes an absolute pariah. He can't

00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.039
even get a coffee without someone yelling at

00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.819
him in the street. In 1994, that was just a funny

00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:08.359
plot point about the power of local talk radio.

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But watching it today, doesn't it feel like a

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.339
totally uncanny prediction of cancel culture?

00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.099
It really does. It shows exactly how quickly

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the mob can turn on a public figure. You are

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:21.200
the beloved local celebrity one minute, and the

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.519
next, you are public enemy number one just because

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of a completely minor slip of the tongue. It

00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.420
raises a really interesting question for you

00:30:28.420 --> 00:30:32.500
to mull over. Is the Crane ego just timelessly

00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.420
fragile? Or was Frazier accidentally predicting

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:38.200
the extreme volatility of the modern media landscape

00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.359
30 years early? I think it's probably a bit of

00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.680
both. But I will say this. Frazier Crane would

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.579
absolutely not survive Twitter. Oh, he would

00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:49.180
be canceled by noon on his very first day. That

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is it for this deep dive into Frazier season

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two. Thank you so much for listening. Good night,

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Seattle.
