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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Before we really

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get into it today, I want you to actually close

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your eyes for just a second. Okay, setting the

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mood right off the bat. Yeah, just bear with

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me. Imagine you are walking down this set of

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concrete steps in Boston. You reach out, you

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push open this heavy wooden door, and you're

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immediately hit with the smell of stale beer.

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Maybe a little sawdust on the floor. Exactly.

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Some sawdust. And you hear the sound of a studio

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audience or, you know, maybe just a group of

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really close friends shouting a single name in

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unison. It is. It's arguably the most famous

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basement in television history. We are, of course,

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talking about Cheers, but I want to be clear

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right up front. If you think this is just going

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to be some light nostalgia trip where we hum

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the theme song and talk about how funny the jokes

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were, well, we need to set the stage properly.

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Right, because we have a massive stack of documents

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here. I mean, we're looking at extensive character

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biographies, deep production notes, casting histories,

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even psychological profiles of the characters

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that the writers put together. It is a heavy

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stack of paper. It's heavy. And frankly, it kind

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of needs to be. Because when you dive into these

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sources, you realize Cheers wasn't just a sitcom.

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If you really look at the anatomy of the show,

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it was this rare lightning in a bottle moment.

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The writing, the acting, the cultural timing,

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it all just aligned perfectly. So our mission

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today for this deep dive is to dissect that exact

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anatomy. We really want to figure out how a washed

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up pitcher. A pretentious academic, a pretty

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cynical waitress and a couple of neurotic bar

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flies managed to create this this surrogate family

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that basically had America completely obsessed

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for 11 years. 11 seasons. It's a massive run.

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And we're going to look at the what ifs, too,

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because the source material reveals these. crazy

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casting choices that almost happened. Oh, the

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alternate universe cheers is wild. It really

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is. It would have resulted in a completely fundamentally

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different show. Right. It makes for a really

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fascinating case study because you look at these

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production notes and you realize that purely

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on paper, this show probably shouldn't have worked.

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Not at all. It's a show about a group of distinct,

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often deeply flawed individuals, people who in

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literally any other setting in the world probably

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wouldn't even speak to each other. But down in

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the bar, they are family. So I think we have

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to start at the center of the universe, right?

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The gravitational pull of the entire show. The

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man behind the bar. Sam Malone. Sam Mayday Malone.

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the anchor of the whole thing. Now, everybody

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knows Sam Malone as the cool bartender, the ladies

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man. But when I started reading through his official

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character biography in these notes, I was genuinely

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surprised by how much sheer tragedy is baked

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into his backstory. Yeah, there is a lot being

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there. He isn't just a former player. It's a

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really dark history. That is a crucial observation

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to make early on because it's so easy to just

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view Sam through the lens of his charm. But according

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to the writer's notes, the character is defined

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almost entirely by lost potential. He isn't just

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a guy who used to play sports. He's a former

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relief pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. Wearing

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jersey number 16. Right, number 16. And the sources

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give us a very specific timeline that really

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matters for his psychology. He pitched in 1973.

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He was a member of the 1975 AL champion team.

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So he reached the absolute peak. He was right

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there. But here is the key question the notes

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pose. Why did he stop? It wasn't a blown out

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shoulder. Yeah. It wasn't old age catching up

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with him. It was the bottle. Alcoholism. Yes.

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And that is an incredibly heavy backstory for

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a network sitcom lead. in the early 1980s. It

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really is. And there's this detail in the production

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notes that just absolutely stuck out to me. It

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mentions that he bought the bar in 1977. But

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the kicker is he bought the bar while he was

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still actively drinking. During his drinking

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days, yes. Wait, let's just pause on that. He

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bought a bar while he was an active alcoholic.

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Exactly. Just think about the psychology of a

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decision like that. The notes suggest he didn't

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buy it as some savvy real estate investment.

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He bought it because that is where he lived his

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life. So by the time we actually meet him in

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the pilot episode, yes, he is the owner, but

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he is also a recovering alcoholic whose daily

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job is working in a bar. Surrounded by the temptation.

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Every single day. He is literally surrounding

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himself with the exact substance that destroyed

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his major league career. That is just so intense

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to think about. It adds this entire layer of

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daily willpower to the character that I completely

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missed when I used to just watch the show casually.

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It almost feels like a form of penance. It really

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is penance. Yeah. And it completely sets up his

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specific personality type. He's not an intellectual

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guy. The show makes a very big deal about the

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fact that he barely scraped through high school.

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Although the notes do say he eventually got his

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diploma in season three. He did, yes. Yeah. But

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he was always a jock first. He openly admits

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to being unintelligent in the academic sense.

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Yeah. But what he possesses, and I love the phrase

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the creators used in the outline for this. Oh,

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relief pitcher arrogance. I saw that phrase in

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the notes and I highlighted it. What exactly

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does that mean in this specific context? Well,

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think about what a real world relief pitcher

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actually does. They don't start the game. The

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game is totally on the line. To succeed in that

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role, they have to have this icy, almost irrational

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confidence to just step on the mound, save the

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day, and then walk off. Just unshakable swagger.

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Exactly. And the writers noted that Sam treats

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his entire life with that exact same energy.

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He is not a planner. He doesn't think five steps

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ahead. He just reacts to whatever crisis is in

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front of him with this immense swagger. And he

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definitely brings that swagger to his dating

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life. I mean, we really have to unpack the womanizing

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here because Sam Malone is basically the gold

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standard archetype of the 80s ladies' man. Oh,

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absolutely. He drives the red Corvette. He is

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just constantly chasing women. He is. And when

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you look at it through the lens of the psychological

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profiles in the source material, this behavior

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is described as a mixture of... exhibitionist

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narcissism, and really deep insecurity. He desperately

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needs that validation. He craves it. He's often

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dating women who are undeniably beautiful, but

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perhaps a bit one -dimensional, or they're just

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there for a good time. He avoids depth. But there

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is a code, right? The character bios mention

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he actually has some standards. The famous Sam

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Malone code, yes. It's detailed in the notes

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for the episode, Sam Turns the Other Cheek, where

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he explicitly states his ethical line for dating.

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He actively avoids married, underage, and comatose

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women. I mean, the bar is incredibly low, but

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I suppose at least there is a bar. It is a tremendously

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low bar. But it's fascinating because underneath

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all that bravado and the red Corvette, the biography

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reveals exactly why he is so insecure. We have

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to talk about his family dynamics to really understand

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him, specifically his brother. Derek Malone.

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The unseen Derek. The sources describe Derek

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as being effortlessly talented. He's handsome.

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He's a successful international lawyer. He's

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a total polymath. He is basically better than

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Sam at absolutely everything. And how did the

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parents react to that? The notes are clear that

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they heavily, heavily favored Derek. Oh, that

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stings. So you have Sam, a guy who actually became

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a professional athlete. For most families, that's

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a massive, unbelievable achievement. But in the

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Malone family, he is still the disappointment.

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He's just the bartender. So every time he chases

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a woman or shows off his car or tells a story

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about the Red Sox, he is subconsciously trying

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to prove to the world that he has worth. Precisely.

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That makes him so much more sympathetic than

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just reading him as a guy who likes to go on

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dates. But here is where it gets really interesting

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for me. And this brings us to the casting history.

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Because when you say the name Sam Malone, you

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just immediately see Ted Danson. It is physically

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impossible to separate the actor from the character.

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But the production notes say the role wasn't

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written for him at all. No, not even close to

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it. The original concept for Sam Malone wasn't

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a baseball player. The creators originally wrote

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the character as a former football player, specifically

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a wide receiver for the New England Patriots.

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A football player. That changes his entire physical

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presence. It changes everything. And because

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of that original vision, the casting directors

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were looking at actual real -life football players

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to cast in the lead role. Like who? Who was actually

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on the list? Well... The notes show that Fred

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Dreyer was the absolute frontrunner. Fred Dreyer.

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Wait, is that the guy who ended up playing the

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sportscaster Dave Richards on the show later

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on? The very same guy. Before acting, he was

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a defensive end for the L .A. Rams. He was a

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legitimate, high -level professional athlete.

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And he was shortlisted for the role of Sam because

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he naturally possessed that exact physical presence

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and authentic locker room energy they thought

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they wanted. So why didn't he get it? What shifted?

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It all came down to chemistry. The producers

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were auditioning actresses for the role of Diane

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at the exact same time. And the notes explain

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that when they finally put Ted Danson in a room

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to read with Shelley Long, the energy in the

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room just fundamentally shifted. It just clicked.

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It did. Danson had this underlying vulnerability

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that the actual football players just didn't

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quite capture. He could play the arrogance, sure,

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but you could also see a genuine sadness in his

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eyes. Thank goodness they paid attention to that

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chemistry check. But speaking of Ted Danson,

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there is a literal secret about his physical

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appearance that I found deep in the production

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notes. I had absolutely no idea about this. Oh,

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are you referring to the hair situation? I am.

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I mean, I always thought he just had that naturally

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great thick head of hair. It's iconic. Well,

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he did have great hair, but he needed a little

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bit of help. It is a well -documented fact in

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the casting and production history that Ted Danson

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wore a hairpiece to cover a bald spot on the

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crown of his head during filming. That is just

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wild to me. Did they ever actually address it

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on the show or was it a strict backstage secret?

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They actually did address it on screen. Not immediately,

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of course, but much later in the series. There's

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a specific episode where Sam physically takes

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off the hairpiece to show his vulnerability to

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someone. Wow. The notes highlighted as this brilliant

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meta moment where the actor's actual reality

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bled directly into the character's narrative.

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It was a way of showing the audience that even

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Sam Malone, this supposedly perfect physical

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specimen, was aging and dealing with insecurity.

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I love that they leaned into it. So we have our

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anchor Sam. But as we established, a relief pitcher

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needs a batter to throw against. You cannot have

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a successful television show with just a cool

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guy hanging out in his own bar. You desperately

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need conflict. And that brings us to our second

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section, Diane Chambers. The ultimate foil. The

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spark that lights the whole thing up. The pilot

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episode, which is called Give Me a Ring Sometime,

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sets this dynamic up just so perfectly. Diane

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isn't casually walking into a bar to get a drink

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with friends. She doesn't want to be in this

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basement at all. No, she is there with her fiancé,

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Professor Sunder Sloan. And the notes detail

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just how tragic this initial setup is. She is

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completely, totally out of her element. She is

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sitting there anticipating catching a flight

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to the Caribbean for a romantic wedding. And

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instead, Sumner just leaves her there. He completely

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abandons her. He goes right back to his ex -wife.

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So Diane is left stranded in this gritty basement

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bar with no job, no money, no fiance, and a highly

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specific skill set that is entirely academic.

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She has absolutely no real -world survival skills.

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None. So she is forced by sheer circumstance

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to take a job as a waitress in a place that she

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openly considers to be vast. And that class clash

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is the entire engine of the show for those first

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five seasons. We're talking about a woman who

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went to Bennington College. She went to Boston

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University. She constantly quotes obscure poetry.

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And she is taking orders from Sam, a guy who,

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as the writer's notes joke, probably thinks War

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and Peace is a heavy book simply because of its

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physical weight. Exactly. The producers explicitly

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noted that they modeled this core relationship

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on those classic Spencer Tracy and Katharine

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Hepburn movies. Films like Woman of the Year.

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Right. It's that precise mixture of intense romance

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and biting antagonism. They completely drive

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each other crazy. They insult each other's intelligence.

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But there is this undeniable magnetic pull between

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them that they can't ignore. It really was the

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original television blueprint for the will -they

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-won't -they dynamic. But when you actually sit

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down and look at the summary of their relationship

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timeline in the sources, it wasn't just playful

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flirting. It was actually kind of deeply toxic,

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wasn't it? Oh, it was incredibly volatile. The

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notes describe it as a cycle of mutual destruction.

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The sources outline this recurring pattern. They

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manage to get close. One of them gets deeply

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insecure about the class difference or their

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past. They lash out verbally, and then they have

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a spectacular breakup. The fallout is always

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huge. I mean, look at the end of season two.

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Their breakup is so catastrophic that it actually

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sends Sam into a full -blown relapse. Right,

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which goes back to our earlier point about his

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alcoholism. Yeah. It is very dark material. Yeah.

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And Diane's consequence is just as severe. She

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ends up checking into a psychiatric hospital

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because of the severe emotional stress of their

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relationship. That is a remarkably heavy plot

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line for a romantic comedy couple. It really

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pushes the boundaries of the sitcom format. And

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ironically, according to the character bios,

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that psychiatric hospital stay is exactly where

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she meets Frasier Crane. But we will definitely

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get to them a bit later. So Sam and Diane go

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back and forth for years. Failed proposals, bitter

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rejections. It really feels like they are doomed

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to just torture each other forever. But then

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season five happens. The pivotal season. The

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episode. They are finally standing at the altar.

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They are. It genuinely looks like the show is

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going to finally give the fans exactly what they've

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been begging for. And then Diane gets a once

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in a lifetime chance to finish her novel. Or

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she just leaves. She leaves him to pursue her

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writing career. And looking at the historical

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context in the production notes, this was a massive

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industry shaking deal at the time. Shelley Long

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deciding to leave the show was front page national

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news. People must have been terrified the show

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was going to tank. They genuinely thought it

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would die without that central dynamic, because

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for the general public, Sam and Diane literally

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were the show. But she did eventually come back

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for the series finale six years later. And reading

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through the nights on the finale, I think. The

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way the writers handled that reunion says so

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much about the show's overall philosophy. It's

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brilliant. Because they almost get back together.

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They are holding hands. They're planning to pack

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up and move to Los Angeles together. And then

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they don't do it. Why didn't they? Because in

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the final moments, they both realize that they

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are simply better off apart. It is a very mature,

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albeit incredibly bittersweet, conclusion to

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their saga. The writers clearly understood that

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raw passion just isn't enough to sustain a functional

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life together. It's a hard truth. Sam ultimately

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belongs to the bar, and Diane fundamentally belongs

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to her art, or at least her lifelong pursuit

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of it. If they had actually stayed together and

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moved to L .A., they would have just destroyed

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each other all over again. It is such a brave

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choice for a sitcom finale. Most shows would

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just force the happy ending to appease the audience.

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But this was the honest ending. It respected

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who the characters had become. Okay, let's step

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away from the heavy drama of the back office

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and the romance for a minute, because you can't

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have a deep dive into Cheers without talking

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about the people permanently sitting on the stools.

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The lifeblood of the bar. We have to talk about

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the barflies. And we absolutely have to start

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with the man whose very name is literally the

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main sound effect of the entire show. Norm. Norm

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Peterson, or as I actually learned for the first

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time from reading his character bio, Hillary

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Norman Peterson. Yes, Hillary, the sad sack accountant

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who is essentially a structural fixture of the

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bar itself. Now, I just always assumed Norm was

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part of the original master plan from day one.

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He's just too iconic not to be. But the casting

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notes say otherwise. This is genuinely one of

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my favorite what ifs in the entire stack of documents.

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Norm was not in the original script. Not his

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regular character anyway. George Wendt came in

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and auditioned for a minor throwaway role named

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George. Okay. And how big was the role? He had

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exactly one line in the pilot script. One line?

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What was it? He was supposed to be Diane's very

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first customer. She walks over, asks him what

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he wants to drink, and his only line was just

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the word beer. That's it. Just the word beer.

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Just beer. But the casting notes say he delivered

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that single word with such a specific... desperate

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yet strangely joyful energy that the producers

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just burst out laughing in the room. They saw

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the magic immediately. They realized right then

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and there, we need to see this guy sitting at

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this bar every single day. Yeah. So they took

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that energy and expanded the one line role into

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the character of Norm Peterson. That is the ultimate

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testament to the power of an actor's delivery.

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And of course, you really can't talk about Norm

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without talking about the other most important

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woman in his life, the one we never actually

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get to see. The Unseen Wife. It became one of

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the show's absolute longest -running dags. Norm

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constantly complains about her. He makes these

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really harsh jokes about her weight and her family.

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She is very often the punchline of his entrance

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into the bar. She is. But the interesting psychological

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question the writers posed is, is he actually

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a bad husband? Or is that just typical bar talk?

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Right, the bravado of the basement. What do the

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character notes say? That's where the nuance

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comes in. The sources point out that despite

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all the constant jokes and despite having several

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very real opportunities to cheat on her over

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11 years, Norm never actually does. He is oddly

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fiercely loyal to Vera. He just complains to

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Cope. He loves her. In his own highly specific

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way. He really prefers to be sitting at the bar

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rather than being at home. Now, there is a production

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note here about Vera actually appearing on screen

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exactly once. Did I miss an episode? You might

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have watched it and still missed it because you

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didn't actually get to see her face. It happens

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in the famous episode Thanksgiving Orphans. There

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is this massive chaotic food fight involving

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the whole cast. Oh, I remember the food fight.

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Right. Well, right in the middle of it. Vera

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finally comes to the front door and smack, she

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gets it squarely in the face with a pumpkin pie

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the literal second the door opens. Okay, we literally

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only see a pie -covered face. Exactly. Over the

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years, we see her legs occasionally, we hear

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her voice muffled off -screen, but the face always

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remains a total mystery. It's just a brilliant

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production trick to keep the joke alive for a

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decade. And we should briefly mention his career

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trajectory, too, because for a guy whose entire

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brand is sitting motionless on a stool, he actually

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moved around professionally quite a bit. He did

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have an arc. He started the series as an accountant,

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very corporate, wearing a suit, incredibly miserable.

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But the show carefully tracks his gradual drift.

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He loses the accounting job, becomes a house

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painter. and eventually pivots into being an

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interior decorator. Which is such a funny shift.

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It's a slow, deliberate slide into less corporate,

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less demanding work. And the psychological notes

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point out that this perfectly fits his ultimate

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desire to have complete control over his own

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schedule, mainly so he can guarantee he has more

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time to spend at Shears. Priorities. And sitting

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right next to him... Usually aggravating him

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to no end is the man who knows a little bit about

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everything and absolutely a lot about nothing

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at all, Cliff Clavin. The mail carrier. The ultimate

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knowledge dispenser. Now, John Ratzenberger,

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the actor who played Cliff this, is yet another

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case of an actor just creating a legendary role,

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essentially out of thin air, right? Absolutely.

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The casting history notes detail this amazing

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story. Ratzenberger originally came in and auditioned

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for a completely different part. Some sources

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think it might have even been for the Norm role.

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But he read for it. And as he was walking out

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of the audition room, he sensed he wasn't going

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to get the job. So what did he do? So, with his

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hand literally on the doorknob, he turned back

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to the producers and asked them a question. What

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did he ask? He asked if they had written a bar

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know -it -all. He just pitched the character

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right there on the spot? He did. He told them,

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look. Every single bar in New England has that

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one guy who sits in the corner and pretends to

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be an absolute expert on everything in the world,

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even though he clearly has no idea what he's

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talking about. And the producers bought it. The

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producers looked at each other and realized they

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actually didn't have that specific archetype

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in the script. They needed him. That is just

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genius self -advocacy. And originally, the notes

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say they were going to make this character a

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security guard, right? Yes, that was the first

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draft of Cliff. But they quickly changed his

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profession to a postman. And the writer's reasoning

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for this is just hilarious. They thought that

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postmen were generally perceived by the public

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as more knowledgeable simply because they are

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out walking the neighborhood every day. They

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see the whole town. Right. They see things. They

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meet people. It gave Cliff this thin, plausible

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reason to constantly believe he knew everything

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about the community and the world at large. And

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Cliff certainly thinks he is worldly. But underneath

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all that trivia and the uniform, the bios highlight

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that he is deeply, deeply insecure. Oh, incredibly

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insecure. The notes mention he constantly wishes

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he was a tough Marine, but he couldn't get in

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because he has flat feet. He still is at home

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with his mother, Esther Clavin. Oh, Esther. The

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mother -son dynamic is huge for understanding

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Cliff. It explains his extreme awkwardness around

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women, his general arrested development. He is

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basically a guy desperately trying to project

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this worldly bravado just to mask the fact that

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he's still essentially a frightened little boy

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living in his childhood bedroom. But he did have

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his one shining moment of ultimate glory. We

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have to talk about the Jeopardy episode. I feel

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like this specific half hour is just permanently

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etched in the television history. The episode

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title is What Is. Cliff Cliven. And yes, it is

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absolutely legendary. So he actually manages

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to get cast on the real show, Jeopardy, within

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the fictional universe of Cheers. He does. Alex

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Trebek is there and everything. And the incredibly

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funny thing is he's actually doing incredibly

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well. The episode notes say he racks up $22 ,000

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by the end of the first two rounds. He is just

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destroying the competition. Because the categories

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on the board just happen to align perfectly with

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his bizarre, specific, trivial knowledge. He

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has an absolute mathematical lock on the game.

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No one can catch him. And then comes Final Jeopardy.

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And he bets it all. He absolutely does not need

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to do this. He just needs to bet a single dollar

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to secure the win. But his ego takes over and

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he bets every single penny. And what was the

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clue? Let's get it exact. The clue was Archibald

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Leach, Bernard Schwartz, and Lucille LeSour.

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And the correct answer? The correct response

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is who are Cary Grant, Tony Curtis, and Joan

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Crawford? Those are their real birth names. And

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Cliff, in all his wisdom, answers. Who are three

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people who have never been in my kitchen. Which,

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I mean, you have to admit, is technically true.

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It is entirely technically true, but shockingly,

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Alex Trebek... did not accept it as a valid response.

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So Cliff loses everything. And the cultural impact

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of this was so huge that it actually inspired

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a term in the real world among hardcore Jeopardy

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fans. Wait, really? What's the term? It's called

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Clavin's Rule, which basically means if you have

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an insurmountable lead going into Final Jeopardy,

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don't be an idiot and bet everything. Just bet

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enough to win. That is painful, but so fitting.

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Now, speaking of strange rules and legalities.

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There is a very weird real life legal battle

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involving Cliff and Norm that I saw mentioned

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in the production history. It's referred to as

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the robot lawsuit. And honestly, this sounds

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like something I am completely making up. Oh,

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I assure you, this is a very real, very fascinating

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piece of intellectual property history. In 1993,

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actors George Wendt and John Ratzenberger. actually

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filed a lawsuit against a massive corporation

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called Host International. Host International.

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They run a lot of those airport bars and restaurants,

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right? Exactly. They had secured the rights to

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set up airport bars that were themed after Cheers.

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And as part of the decor, they installed two

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life -size animatronic robots in these bars.

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Oh, no. One was a heavyset guy who sat at the

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end of the bar, and the other was a guy wearing

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a blue postal uniform. Very subtle. Extremely

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subtle. Now, legally... They didn't name these

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robots Norm and Cliff. They gave them generic

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names like Hank and Bob. But they look remarkably

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like the actors and they were programmed to chatter

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back and forth just like them. So the actual

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actors sued the company. They did. Yeah. And

00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.980
their legal argument was that this violated their

00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:45.589
personality rights. Now, this is a very distinct

00:24:45.589 --> 00:24:48.549
legal concept. It wasn't a standard copyright

00:24:48.549 --> 00:24:52.549
claim because the television studio legally owned

00:24:52.549 --> 00:24:54.910
the fictional characters of Norm Peterson and

00:24:54.910 --> 00:24:56.809
Cliff Clavin. Right. The studio owns the intellectual

00:24:56.809 --> 00:24:59.329
property. But Wendt and Ratzenberger were arguing,

00:24:59.369 --> 00:25:02.069
you aren't just using the script. You are using

00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:05.509
our literal physical likenesses as real human

00:25:05.509 --> 00:25:08.400
beings to sell beer in an airport. That is a

00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.559
brilliant argument. Did they end up winning the

00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.460
case? Well, the legal battle dragged on for years.

00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:15.960
Eventually, they ended up settling out of court

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for an undisclosed amount. But it remains a landmark

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case in entertainment law because it helped establish

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the precedent that an actor's specific physical

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portrayal and identity is somewhat separate from

00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:29.180
the written character on the page. Robots in

00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:32.039
an airport bar causing landmark legal precedent.

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That truly feels like something Cliff would have

00:25:34.410 --> 00:25:36.710
a little known fact about. Oh, he would definitely

00:25:36.710 --> 00:25:39.230
bore the entire bar with a 20 minute speech about

00:25:39.230 --> 00:25:42.589
personality rights. Absolutely. OK, so we've

00:25:42.589 --> 00:25:44.710
covered the front of the house, the romance and

00:25:44.710 --> 00:25:47.210
the bar flies. Now we really need to talk about

00:25:47.210 --> 00:25:51.009
the spark plug of the show, the absolute firebrand.

00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:54.170
Carla Tortelli. Played brilliantly by Rhea Pearlman.

00:25:54.269 --> 00:25:56.430
The casting notes say she was actually the very

00:25:56.430 --> 00:25:58.769
first actor officially hired for the ensemble.

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She was cast before Ted Danson, before Shelley

00:26:01.670 --> 00:26:04.490
Long. That's right. The creators knew they absolutely

00:26:04.490 --> 00:26:07.210
needed her specific energy immediately to ground

00:26:07.210 --> 00:26:10.470
the show. Because Carla is the complete antithesis

00:26:10.470 --> 00:26:13.569
of the typical television waitress archetype.

00:26:13.569 --> 00:26:16.269
She is definitely not service with a smile. Not

00:26:16.269 --> 00:26:18.849
at all. She is deeply cynical. She is fiercely

00:26:18.849 --> 00:26:21.130
superstitious. She is openly aggressive to the

00:26:21.130 --> 00:26:23.670
customers. And as the show makes a point of highlighting

00:26:23.670 --> 00:26:26.910
constantly, she is incredibly fertile. The fertility

00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:29.930
is a massive ongoing plot point. I mean, the

00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:31.930
bio says she starts the pilot episode with four

00:26:31.930 --> 00:26:34.049
kids. And by the series finale, she has a total

00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:36.990
of eight. It's a huge running gag. The joke is

00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:39.089
basically that if she even makes eye contact

00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:42.029
with a man, she gets pregnant. And interestingly,

00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:44.710
the production notes point out that Raya Perlman's

00:26:44.710 --> 00:26:47.809
actual real -life pregnancies were directly written

00:26:47.809 --> 00:26:49.910
into the show's storylines. That's a great way

00:26:49.910 --> 00:26:52.150
to handle it. Yeah, so whenever Carla was pregnant

00:26:52.150 --> 00:26:54.569
on screen, Rhea was usually pregnant in real

00:26:54.569 --> 00:26:57.910
life. Her home life sounds like absolute, unmitigated

00:26:57.910 --> 00:27:00.769
chaos. We have to talk about the men in her life

00:27:00.769 --> 00:27:03.670
that caused this chaos. Starting with the infamous

00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:06.769
ex -husband, Nick Tortelli. Played by Dan Hedaya.

00:27:06.869 --> 00:27:09.809
And he is the embodiment of sleaze. He wears

00:27:09.809 --> 00:27:11.750
the deeply unbuttoned shirts, the chest hair,

00:27:11.869 --> 00:27:14.839
the gold chains. He's a total con man. But despite

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.180
all that, Carla is still wildly obsessed with

00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:20.359
him in this very weird, toxic way. It's described

00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.779
in the notes as this primal, almost animalistic

00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:26.400
attraction that she just can't shake. He eventually

00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.220
moves on and gets remarried to a much younger

00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:30.519
woman named Loretta. Loretta is great. She's

00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.900
this sweet, very naive blonde who is essentially

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.339
the exact opposite of Carla's dark energy. And

00:27:37.339 --> 00:27:39.640
the network actually gave Nick and Loretta their

00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.359
own spinoff show called The Tortellus. I have

00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.240
to be honest, I completely forgot about that

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.700
spinoff until I read these notes. You and Most

00:27:46.700 --> 00:27:49.220
of America. It was canceled very, very quickly.

00:27:49.299 --> 00:27:53.119
But it just shows how distinct and powerful those

00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.619
specific characters were that the network thought

00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:57.920
they could carry their own series. But the real

00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.140
tragedy for Carla, and honestly, some of the

00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:02.480
darkest comedy in the entire series, comes with

00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.140
her second husband, Eddie Lebec. The French -Canadian

00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:07.940
hockey goalie. This entire storyline is just

00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:10.319
wild. So he's a professional goalie for the Boston

00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.039
Bruins. He and Carla fall madly in love. But

00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.079
they share this massive flaw. They are both incredibly

00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.900
paralyzingly superstitious. Right. And their

00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:22.440
shared superstition is that if things are going

00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.180
too well in Eddie's personal life, he plays terribly

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:28.119
on the ice. So they develop this insane dynamic

00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.799
where they have to actively stage breakups or

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.099
get into massive screaming matches right before

00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:35.460
his games just so he can maintain his winning

00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:37.839
streak. That is exhausting. And then we have

00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.140
to talk about the Zamboni incident. It remains

00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:42.880
one of the most utterly bizarre character deaths

00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.420
in sitcom history. Eddie Lubeck is tragically

00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:50.380
killed by an ice resurfacer, a Zamboni, while

00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:52.779
heroically trying to save a teammate's life on

00:28:52.779 --> 00:28:55.619
the ice. It is incredibly tragic, but the show

00:28:55.619 --> 00:28:58.019
manages to play it with that highly specific,

00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:01.819
very dark cheers humor. But the real twist happens

00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:05.000
at the funeral. I did not see this coming at

00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.900
all when I was reading the episode summary. Oh,

00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:09.519
the funeral scene. This is classic, terrible

00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.069
Carlo look. She's standing there at the funeral,

00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:15.250
deeply mourning her beloved husband, and suddenly

00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.589
another grieving woman shows up. Another wife.

00:29:17.670 --> 00:29:20.309
Another wife. Her name is Gloria, and she also

00:29:20.309 --> 00:29:23.170
has twins. Wait, so Eddie was a full -blown bigamist.

00:29:23.289 --> 00:29:25.549
He was a bigamist. He had an entire secret second

00:29:25.549 --> 00:29:27.309
family living on the side the whole time. That

00:29:27.309 --> 00:29:29.849
is just devastating. Carla finally, after all

00:29:29.849 --> 00:29:31.809
these years, finds a decent guy, gets slowly

00:29:31.809 --> 00:29:33.910
run over by a Zamboni, and then it turns out

00:29:33.910 --> 00:29:37.150
his entire life was a lie. And that, psychologically

00:29:37.150 --> 00:29:40.309
speaking, is exactly why Carla is the way she

00:29:40.309 --> 00:29:43.089
is. The world just constantly keeps kicking her

00:29:43.089 --> 00:29:46.049
down, so her defense mechanism is to kick back

00:29:46.049 --> 00:29:49.730
twice as hard. That deep -seated bitterness made

00:29:49.730 --> 00:29:52.250
her such a mathematically necessary ingredient

00:29:52.250 --> 00:29:54.779
in the show's chemistry. You really need that

00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:57.680
balance. You do. You had Sam's endless charm.

00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.440
You had Diane's naive optimism. And then you

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.660
had Carla's absolute grounding cynicism acting

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:06.160
as an anchor to keep the show from ever getting

00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.740
too sweet or sentimental. It really is a perfect

00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:11.200
structural balance, but that balance inevitably

00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.619
had to shift. Shears ran for 11 very long seasons.

00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:19.059
Cast members left, new ones had to come in. We

00:30:19.059 --> 00:30:21.140
titled this next section The Replacements, but

00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:23.240
some of these characters became total television

00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.660
legends in their own right. Oh, absolutely. The

00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:27.740
evolution of the ensemble cast is really what

00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:30.559
kept the show on the air for over a decade. The

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.339
notes make it clear that if the producers had

00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:34.400
just tried to replace departing actors with cheap

00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.519
clones of the old characters, the show would

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.099
have failed instantly. Instead, they smartly

00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:41.539
pivoted. Let's start with the saddest off -screen

00:30:41.539 --> 00:30:44.140
transition, the real -life loss of coach ship.

00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:47.779
Nicholas Colasanto. He played Coach Ernie Pantuso.

00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.220
He was arguably the emotional heart of the bar

00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:53.940
in those critical early seasons. He played the

00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.880
dumb guy archetype, but he possessed this profound,

00:30:57.220 --> 00:31:00.609
almost innocent wisdom. And he tragically died

00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:03.089
in real life right after season three. It was

00:31:03.089 --> 00:31:05.769
a massive, devastating blow to the cast and crew.

00:31:05.970 --> 00:31:08.430
He was a genuine father figure to everyone on

00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:10.630
set. So the producers had an impossible task.

00:31:10.789 --> 00:31:12.990
They had to fill that specific second bartender

00:31:12.990 --> 00:31:15.940
slot. And their answer was to bring in Woody

00:31:15.940 --> 00:31:19.400
Boyd. Enter Woody Harrelson. Now, the easy, lazy

00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.559
thing to do would have been to just cast another

00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:24.259
older, slightly senile former baseball player

00:31:24.259 --> 00:31:26.839
to replicate Coach's dynamic with Sam. But they

00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.319
went in the complete opposite direction. They

00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.099
brought in a 20 -something kid, a wildly naive

00:31:31.099 --> 00:31:34.089
farm boy from Hanover, Indiana. It was such a

00:31:34.089 --> 00:31:36.829
brilliant pivot because Woody wasn't dumb in

00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:38.829
the exact same way Coach was confused by age.

00:31:39.049 --> 00:31:41.490
Woody was just completely, utterly innocent to

00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:42.970
the ways of the world. He simply didn't understand

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:46.029
sarcasm or city life. Right. And to emotionally

00:31:46.029 --> 00:31:48.130
bridge the gap for the audience, the writers

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.069
established that Woody was actually pen pals

00:31:50.069 --> 00:31:52.589
with Coach. That was his organic connection to

00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:55.369
the bar. He took a bus to Boston to finally meet

00:31:55.369 --> 00:31:57.750
his pen pal, found out the heartbreaking news

00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:00.710
that he had died, and Sam, out of loyalty to

00:32:00.710 --> 00:32:03.680
Coach, gave Woody a job. Woody's character arc

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.720
over the series is pretty wild. He goes from

00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.799
this wide -eyed farm boy to eventually marrying

00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.180
Kelly Gaines, who is basically sheltered, incredibly

00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:15.920
wealthy heiress. The comedic contrast between

00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.140
Woody and Kelly is absolute gold. Kelly is extremely

00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:21.420
sheltered by her wealth, while Woody is just

00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:24.099
a simple farm boy. But at their core, they're

00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:26.740
both very simple, very sweet people. And eventually

00:32:26.740 --> 00:32:28.799
the arc concludes with Woody actually getting

00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.299
elected to the Boston City Council. It's this

00:32:31.299 --> 00:32:34.140
classic, absurd American success story that happens

00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:35.920
completely by accident. Then we have Frasier

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.900
Crane. Now, looking at the casting notes, Frasier

00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:40.480
was never supposed to stick around, was he? No,

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.099
not at all. Kelsey Grammer was originally brought

00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:45.619
in essentially as a temporary plot device. He

00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:47.400
was just supposed to be a rebound romance for

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.480
Diane, designed purely to make Sam jealous for

00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.279
a few episodes. He was the... pretentious psychiatrist.

00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:56.440
The writers fully intended for him to get dumped

00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.359
and disappear. So why did he end up staying for

00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.079
decades? Because Kelsey Grammer was just too

00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.079
incredibly good in the role. The notes say he

00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.400
could deliver these incredibly long, complex,

00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.400
eloquent, pompous speeches, but somehow make

00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.420
them hilarious rather than annoying. And the

00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:15.559
writers quickly realized that he fit perfectly

00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.420
into the ecosystem as a completely different

00:33:17.420 --> 00:33:20.400
kind of barfly. He contrasted with Norm and Cliff.

00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.039
Exactly. He wasn't a working class guy. He added

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.640
this entirely new upper crust flavor to the basement.

00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.000
And then, to make him even better, they brought

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.220
in Lilith. Lilith Sternen, played by Baby Neuwirth,

00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.259
the notoriously stern psychiatrist. Their dynamic

00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:36.839
together is just iconic. It is so incredibly

00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.119
cold. It is freezing cold, highly analytical,

00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.400
but somehow underneath it all, deeply passionate.

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.440
They're the ultimate intellectual power couple

00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.509
from hell. They speak to each other in full paragraphs.

00:33:49.890 --> 00:33:52.329
They clinically analyze their own physical attraction

00:33:52.329 --> 00:33:55.170
in real time while it's actively happening. And

00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:57.470
they eventually get married and have a son, Frederick.

00:33:57.710 --> 00:33:59.549
Right. And even though they eventually divorce,

00:33:59.750 --> 00:34:01.750
which discourse perfectly sets up the premise

00:34:01.750 --> 00:34:04.690
for the Frasier spinoff, their joint presence

00:34:04.690 --> 00:34:08.329
on Cheers significantly elevated the overall

00:34:08.329 --> 00:34:10.929
vocabulary and the comedic tone of the show.

00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:12.949
And finally, we have to talk about the biggest

00:34:12.949 --> 00:34:15.809
replacement of all. Shelley Long decides to leave.

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.860
The show loses its primary female lead. Who steps

00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:23.400
in to fill that massive void? Rebecca Howe, played

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.679
by Kirstie Alley. The writers dubbed her the

00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.900
anti -Diane. Exactly. The notes state clearly

00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:31.480
they did not want to cast another academic. They

00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:32.920
definitely didn't want another overqualified

00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.780
waitress. So they brought in an ambitious businesswoman.

00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.159
She works for this massive conglomerate called

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.440
the Lillian Corporation. And she actually takes

00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.059
over ownership of the bar. So she becomes Sam's

00:34:43.059 --> 00:34:46.480
boss. That is the crucial power shift. Suddenly,

00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.119
Sam is no longer the undisputed king of his own

00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.860
castle. He is just an employee. And Rebecca is

00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:55.239
tough. She's corporate. She wears the aggressive

00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.260
shoulder pads at first. At first is definitely

00:34:57.260 --> 00:34:59.500
the key phrase there, because her character changes

00:34:59.500 --> 00:35:01.820
so drastically. Her character devolution is one

00:35:01.820 --> 00:35:04.059
of the most fascinating arcs in the notes. She

00:35:04.059 --> 00:35:07.400
starts season six as this icy, untouchable corporate

00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.690
climber. But as the seasons progress... Though

00:35:10.690 --> 00:35:12.869
writers realize that Kirstie Alley is incredibly

00:35:12.869 --> 00:35:15.570
gifted at physical comedy and playing panic.

00:35:15.769 --> 00:35:18.539
She is so funny when she's stressed. Right. So

00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:21.539
Rebecca slowly morphs into this deeply neurotic,

00:35:21.579 --> 00:35:24.239
highly insecure disaster of a human being who

00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.440
becomes entirely obsessed with marrying rich

00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.159
men. The notorious gold digger phase. Yes. She

00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.599
is just constantly chasing high society status.

00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.219
Her painful obsession with her corporate boss,

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.880
Evan Drake, is agonizing to watch. And then,

00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:39.679
of course, the whole saga of Robin Colcord. Robin

00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.820
Colcord, the billionaire. Played by Roger Reese.

00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.019
He is this dashing, incredibly mysterious, jet

00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:49.099
-setting billionaire. Rebecca truly thinks she

00:35:49.099 --> 00:35:51.440
has finally made it to the top. But then the

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.079
rug is pulled out and it turns out he's a massive

00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.539
white collar criminal. He actually goes to federal

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:58.800
prison, right? He goes to jail, loses every dime

00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.760
of his money and is reduced to being a total

00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.659
pauper. But Rebecca wastes so much time and dignity

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:07.659
chasing that specific illusion of wealth. And

00:36:07.659 --> 00:36:10.139
the really interesting dynamic shift with Sam

00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:14.219
is that unlike Diane. Rebecca constantly rejects

00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:17.199
him. Exactly. With Diane, Sam was always chasing

00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.099
her intellect and trying to drag her down to

00:36:19.099 --> 00:36:22.360
his level. With Rebecca, Sam is mostly just chasing

00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.659
her physically, but she rejects him flat out

00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:26.840
because he is the help. He's just a bartender.

00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.139
He is financially beneath her corporate aspirations.

00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:31.599
It totally flipped the traditional television

00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.519
power dynamic. It finally allowed Sam to be the

00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.719
one who wasn't in total control of the romantic

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.190
situation. It did. And more importantly, The

00:36:40.190 --> 00:36:42.550
notes suggest it allowed Sam to naturally age.

00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:45.670
He wasn't just the effortlessly cool guy anymore.

00:36:45.909 --> 00:36:49.829
He was an aging former athlete trying to figure

00:36:49.829 --> 00:36:52.449
out his diminishing place in a rapidly changing

00:36:52.449 --> 00:36:55.570
corporate world. Now, a truly great bar isn't

00:36:55.570 --> 00:36:57.829
just made up of the staff and the daily regulars.

00:36:57.869 --> 00:37:01.429
It's the entire neighborhood, the extended universe

00:37:01.429 --> 00:37:04.929
of cheers. There are some incredible recurring

00:37:04.929 --> 00:37:07.250
characters in these notes that just add so much

00:37:07.250 --> 00:37:10.050
specific flavor to the show. We absolutely have

00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:12.800
to give a shout out to Harry the Hat. Harry Anderson.

00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.420
Yeah. The resident magician and local con artist.

00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:18.659
He was such a highly specific, weird character.

00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:20.880
He would just waltz in and trick the regular

00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.900
patrons out of their money with these incredibly

00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:25.619
elaborate bar bets. Oh, like the classic, I bet

00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:27.280
you 20 bucks I can drink that shot of whiskey

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.059
without physically touching the hat covering

00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:30.960
it. That kind of classic grift. But the funny

00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.719
thing is, the bar regulars loved him anyway.

00:37:33.019 --> 00:37:35.179
Because he was their con artist. It's a tribal

00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:37.619
thing. He was almost framed as a chaotic good

00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:40.489
character. Whenever Cheers had a problem, he

00:37:40.489 --> 00:37:43.469
would often use his deceptive powers to help

00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:45.849
the gang defend themselves against their local

00:37:45.849 --> 00:37:48.469
rivals. And speaking of local rivals, we definitely

00:37:48.469 --> 00:37:51.150
have to talk about Gary's Old Town Tavern. The

00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.989
ultimate nemesis. Gary's was basically everything.

00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:58.469
Cheers wasn't. It was wildly successful, supposedly

00:37:58.469 --> 00:38:01.070
had great food, and it was a very modern sports

00:38:01.070 --> 00:38:04.699
bar. The Bar Wars episodes are absolute television

00:38:04.699 --> 00:38:06.619
classics. They're the best. It was an annual

00:38:06.619 --> 00:38:09.019
tradition, Cheers versus Gary's. They competed

00:38:09.019 --> 00:38:11.780
in bowling tournaments, basketball games, even

00:38:11.780 --> 00:38:14.500
Bloody Mary mixing contests. And the running

00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:17.179
joke was that Cheers almost always lost. They

00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:19.159
were the lovable losers. Gary was just always

00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:21.599
one step ahead and outsmarted them. Well, except

00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.820
for when they deployed Harry the Hat. Exactly.

00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:26.760
There's that legendary storyline where Harry

00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.599
helps the Cheers gang execute a massive con that

00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.480
basically destroys Gary's entire bar. It was

00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.760
a completely vicious business rivalry, but the

00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.079
writers used it perfectly to bond the dysfunctional

00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.780
Cheers gang together against a common enemy.

00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:41.159
And then right upstairs from the basement, you

00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.099
had Melville's. The incredibly snooty fine dining

00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:46.780
restaurant owned by the insufferable John Allen

00:38:46.780 --> 00:38:49.199
Hill. He was a much later addition to the cast,

00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:51.500
right? Yes, towards the later seasons. He was

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:53.840
the building's landlord. And he had this endlessly

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.820
combative relationship with Sam, arguing mostly

00:38:56.820 --> 00:39:00.159
over petty things like rent increases, customer

00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.219
bathroom access, and parking spots. But he also

00:39:03.219 --> 00:39:05.900
developed a very strange, highly aggressive sexual

00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:09.090
relationship with Carla. Thoroughly disgusted

00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:11.309
everyone else in the bar. Visibly nauseated them.

00:39:11.409 --> 00:39:14.090
It was just another bizarre layer of that enemy

00:39:14.090 --> 00:39:16.590
with benefits dynamic to show love to play with.

00:39:16.730 --> 00:39:18.969
And we absolutely cannot wrap up the cast list

00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:20.829
without mentioning the ultimate background guys,

00:39:21.170 --> 00:39:23.650
Al and Phil. The literal furniture of the bar.

00:39:23.929 --> 00:39:26.809
Al had that incredibly distinct gravelly voice.

00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:29.489
They rarely had their own huge storylines, but

00:39:29.489 --> 00:39:31.210
they were just always physically there in the

00:39:31.210 --> 00:39:34.769
frame. The notes emphasize how crucial they were

00:39:34.769 --> 00:39:38.159
for world building. It reinforced the idea that

00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.900
this is a real operating business. If you walked

00:39:40.900 --> 00:39:43.420
into Cheers on a random Tuesday afternoon, Al

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:45.199
would be there. If you walked in on a Friday

00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.659
night, Al would be there. So we've unpacked the

00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:50.159
entire roster. We've looked at the fallen pitcher,

00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:52.420
the academic princess, the sad sack bar flies

00:39:52.420 --> 00:39:55.059
and all the replacements. When you step back

00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:57.820
from this massive stack of source material and

00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:01.110
look at the 11 year picture. What is the core

00:40:01.110 --> 00:40:04.150
takeaway? Why did this highly specific mix of

00:40:04.150 --> 00:40:06.690
damaged people resonate so hard with the American

00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:08.570
public? I really think it just comes right back

00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:10.789
down to the core promise of the theme song. You

00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:12.510
want to go where everybody knows your name. The

00:40:12.510 --> 00:40:14.969
writers fundamentally designed the bar to be

00:40:14.969 --> 00:40:17.809
a sanctuary. A sanctuary for losers. In a very

00:40:17.809 --> 00:40:20.800
real way, yes. Just look at the objective facts

00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.239
of their lives. Sam is a recovering alcoholic

00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.079
dealing with a failed baseball career. Diane

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.420
is a deeply insecure failed writer who couldn't

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:31.199
cut it in the academic world. Norm is a completely

00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.059
failed accountant who actively hides from his

00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:37.619
own wife. Cliff is socially incompetent and lives

00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:40.079
with his mother. Their marriages constantly fail.

00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.900
Their chosen careers completely stall out. But

00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.599
the physical bar itself is the one constant in

00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.500
their lives. It's the one place on Earth where

00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:51.500
all of that external failure simply doesn't matter.

00:40:51.619 --> 00:40:53.880
You walk down those concrete stairs and you are

00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.079
immediately accepted unconditionally. You become

00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.179
part of the tribe. That is actually a really

00:40:58.179 --> 00:41:00.519
beautiful way to look at it. It is a profoundly

00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.639
dysfunctional family, but at the end of the day,

00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:05.659
it is a family. Precisely. The core theme of

00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:08.579
the show is about the deep human comfort of belonging,

00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.679
even if you feel like you don't fit in anywhere

00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.289
else in society. Before we completely wrap up

00:41:13.289 --> 00:41:15.230
today, though, I do want to leave you with a

00:41:15.230 --> 00:41:17.949
thought and honestly, a pretty provocative question

00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:21.070
that really struck me while I was reading through

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:23.010
the psychological profile of Sam Malone and just

00:41:23.010 --> 00:41:26.429
thinking about the modern world. We spent a lot

00:41:26.429 --> 00:41:29.889
of time talking about his womanizing, his so

00:41:29.889 --> 00:41:33.389
-called code, his relief pitcher arrogance. Right.

00:41:33.429 --> 00:41:35.800
The core of his character. If Cheers were somehow

00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.440
made today in exactly the same way it was written

00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:40.860
back then, how do you think we would actually

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:43.719
view Sam Malone? Oh, that is the million dollar

00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.739
provocative question. I mean, let's just look

00:41:45.739 --> 00:41:47.900
at the raw facts. He was the boss of the business

00:41:47.900 --> 00:41:50.360
and he was constantly relentlessly hitting on

00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.699
his own female employees, first Diane, then Rebecca.

00:41:53.059 --> 00:41:55.239
He was aggressively hitting on his customers.

00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.840
He basically used his own place of business as

00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.840
a personal hunting ground. Now, in the 1980s,

00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.599
he was portrayed on screen as the charming rogue.

00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.219
He was the undisputed hero of the story. He was.

00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:08.900
He was the cool guy every guy wanted to be. But

00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:12.539
today, if we look at those exact same actions

00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:14.480
through the modern lens of workplace harassment

00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.400
and corporate power dynamics, is he actually

00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.699
a predator? It is a very complicated television

00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:23.780
legacy. The reality is, if you aired those exact

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:26.719
early episodes today on network television without

00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.659
any historical context, Sam's behavior would

00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:31.860
absolutely be flagged as incredibly problematic.

00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:35.000
He crosses professional lines constantly. He

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.239
frequently doesn't take no for an answer on the

00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.800
first try. He actively manipulates workplace

00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.659
situations to isolate women. But the framing

00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:44.360
of the show tells the audience it's romantic.

00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.340
It does. And that is the massive difference in

00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:50.360
the cultural lens. In the 80s, that relentless

00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.380
chase was broadly seen by society as romantic

00:42:53.380 --> 00:42:56.289
persistence. It was flattering. Today, we have

00:42:56.289 --> 00:42:58.630
a much clearer understanding that when your literal

00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:01.550
boss chases you romantically, it's not cute romance.

00:43:01.630 --> 00:43:04.130
It is the definition of a hostile work environment.

00:43:04.269 --> 00:43:06.409
It really changes how you watch the older episodes,

00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:08.829
doesn't it? It definitely adds a layer of friction.

00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:11.949
But it doesn't mean the show itself isn't still

00:43:11.949 --> 00:43:15.110
incredibly funny or masterfully written. It just

00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:17.090
means you have to acknowledge that you are watching

00:43:17.090 --> 00:43:20.309
a very specific time capsule of gender dynamics

00:43:20.309 --> 00:43:22.670
that have fortunately evolved quite a bit since

00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:25.630
1982. You can still appreciate the character's

00:43:25.630 --> 00:43:28.389
internal struggle and Ted Danson's undeniable

00:43:28.389 --> 00:43:30.989
charm, while also openly acknowledging that,

00:43:31.010 --> 00:43:33.369
yeah, a modern HR department would absolutely

00:43:33.369 --> 00:43:36.889
have a field day with Sam Malone in 2026. A modern

00:43:36.889 --> 00:43:39.150
HR department would have that basement bar shut

00:43:39.150 --> 00:43:41.210
down and boarded up in about a week. Without

00:43:41.210 --> 00:43:43.510
a single doubt in my mind, the lawsuits would

00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:45.750
be astronomical. Just something interesting for

00:43:45.750 --> 00:43:47.710
you to mull over the next time you hear that

00:43:47.710 --> 00:43:50.829
iconic piano intro start playing on a rerun.

00:43:51.150 --> 00:43:53.269
And that is going to do it for this deep dive

00:43:53.269 --> 00:43:55.570
into the anatomy of Cheers. We really hope you

00:43:55.570 --> 00:43:58.250
enjoyed dissecting this incredibly dysfunctional

00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:00.489
TV family with us. Thanks for listening.
