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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are not

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just analyzing a TV show. We are stepping into

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a time machine. Oh, I love a time machine. Right.

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So I want you to picture the world in September

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1986. Right on there. Top Gun is just completely

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dominating the box office. Yeah. The bangles

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are on the radio, you know, walking like Egyptians.

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That classic. And shoulder pads, shoulder pads

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are massive. I mean, they are structural engineering

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marvels at this point. They really were. It was

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definitely a time of excess for sure. Yeah. But

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specifically, we are looking at a cultural ritual

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from that era. Thursday nights. Right. If you

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were alive and anywhere near a television set

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in America in 1986, you weren't surfing channels.

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No, you definitely weren't. You couldn't really.

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Exactly. You were parked on NBC. Yeah. That was

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the absolute center of the universe. We are talking

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about the must -see TV era, but specifically

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today, we are cracking open the case file on

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season five of Cheers. Now, I know what some

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of you listening might be thinking. You know,

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oh, Cheers, that's that old show my dad likes

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where they yell, Norm! Right, the sitcom with

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the bar. But looking at the massive stack of

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research we have for today, season five isn't

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just a collection of bar jokes. It is... Well,

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it's arguably the most high stakes pivotal season

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in the history of the sitcom format. I really

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don't think that's hyperbole, honestly. You don't?

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No, not at all. Because if you study television

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history, most shows... have a very predictable

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shelf life. You know, they hit a peak, they decline,

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and then they kind of just fade away into syndication.

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Right, they run out of steam. Exactly. But season

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five of Cheers is the exact moment where the

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show looked death right in the face and decided

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to reinvent itself instead. Wow. This is the

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season that ends the defining will -they -won't

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-they relationship of the entire decade. Sam

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Malone and Diane Chambers. Sam and Diane, yes.

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And it's the season that marks the departure

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of Shelley Long. Which was huge. It was massive.

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And we're going to get into the real nitty gritty

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of that decision because it wasn't just an actor

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quitting to do movies. It fundamentally changed

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the DNA of the whole production. It did. And

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the mission for this deep dive is to explore

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exactly how a show transitions from a romantic

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comedy focused on two people. A two hander. Right.

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A two hander into a true ensemble powerhouse.

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Yeah. We're going to unpack all the production

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secrets, including the fact that they actually

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filmed fake alternate endings to trick the studio

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audience. Which is just wild to think about for

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a sitcom in the 80s. It really is. And of course,

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we are going to deeply analyze the specific narrative

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arc that led to Diane leaving Boston forever.

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We have so much ground to cover, but we have

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to start with the cliffhanger. Oh, the cliffhanger.

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I mean, talk about leaving people hanging. Season

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four ends. Sam Malone, the ultimate Playboy bartender,

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picks up. up the phone and makes a call proposing

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marriage. Yes. But the camera cuts out before

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we see who he's calling. It was excruciating.

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Was it the politician, Janet Eldridge? Or was

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it his intellectual sparring partner, Diane?

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It sounds so quaint now, right? In the era of

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streaming where you can just click next episode

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to find out what happens. Yeah, you just wait

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five seconds. But you have to understand, the

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absolute torture the summer of 1986 people had

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to wait months and months to find out who was

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on the other end of that phone that is agonizing

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so let's set the stage properly for this before

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we get to the heartbreak and the comedy of the

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season we need to talk about the juggernaut that

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was NBC at the time we really do Because you

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cannot separate Cheers Season 5 from the lineup

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it lived in. The best night of television. That's

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what they called it. The schedule was incredible.

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You had the Cosby Show kicking things off at

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8 -0. Family Ties at 8 -30. Cheers at 9 -0. Night

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Court at 9 -30. Wow. And then Hill Street Blues,

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which later swapped out with L .A. Law at 10

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-0. That is just a murderer's row of television.

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Oh, it was unbeatable. I mean... The Cosby show

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alone was pulling numbers that modern TV executives

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would literally kill for. Absolutely. And there's

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this concept in TV programming called the lead

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in. Right. Shears benefited heavily from the

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millions of people who were already tuned in

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for Cosby and Family Ties. They just left the

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TV on. Sure. You're already on the couch. But

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here is the crucial data point for season five

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specifically. This is the year. Cheers stopped

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just drafting off that lead in and became an

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absolute monster in its own right. I was looking

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at the ratings data you pulled for this deep

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dive, and the numbers are almost hard to comprehend

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in our current media landscape. They really are.

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By April 22, 1987, Cheers was sitting in third

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place overall in the Nielsen ratings. Third place

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in the entire country. Let's break down what

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that actually means because the metric system

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for TV has changed so drastically. Please do.

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So Cheers had an average rating of 27 .2. Okay.

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A rating point represents a percentage of total

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TV households in the country. So a 27 .2 means

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approximately 23 .8 million households were tuned

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in. 23 .8 million. And that's not people. That's

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households. So if you figure an average of, what,

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two or three people per household sitting around

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the TV. Exactly. You're talking 50, maybe 60

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million people watching Sam Malone pour a beer

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at the same time. Yes. And then you look at the

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share. which was a 41. What does the share mean

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exactly? The share is the percentage of televisions

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that are currently turned on and in use that

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are tuned to your specific program. Oh, wow.

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So a 41 share means that if you walk down a street

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in America on a Thursday night in 1987 and just

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looked in people's windows, four out of every

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10 TVs were playing Cheers. Four out of 10. That

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is Super Bowl territory. It really is. It's a

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true monoculture moment. We don't really have

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that anymore outside of live sports or maybe

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a... massive finale. Yeah, everyone was watching

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the exact same thing. And obviously, when you

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have that kind of rapt attention, the advertising

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revenue just explodes. I bet. We have a report

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in the sources from October 1986, noting that

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a single 30 -second commercial break during Cheers

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was generating $230 ,000 in revenue. In 1986

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money, that's, I don't even want to do the inflation

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math on that. It'll make me depressed. That's

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millions. But it shows the stakes. NBC could

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not afford to mess this up. And the audience

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investment was terrifyingly high. It really was.

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There's actually a great anecdote in the research

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about a telephone survey conducted just before

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the season five premiere. Oh, right. The hotline.

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Yeah. They set up this 1 -900 hotline and asked

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fans to vote on the cliffhanger. Yeah. Who did

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Sam call? Janet or Diane? I just love that people

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actually paid for a long distance phone call

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to vote on a fictional bartender's love life.

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It shows the absolute engagement of the era.

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And the results were incredibly telling. What

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were they? Nearly 140 callers voted for Diane.

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Okay. Only about 60 voted for Janet. Wow, so

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it wasn't even close. Not at all. The audience

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was basically screaming through their phones,

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we want the romance, we want Sam and Diane. Which

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puts the writers in a really difficult position,

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doesn't it? Oh, an impossible position. Because

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if you give the audience exactly what they want,

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a happily ever after, the tension is completely

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gone. The show might become boring. Right. But

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if you deny them what they voted for, they might

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revolt and stop watching. That is the tightrope

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walk of season five. And it begins right away

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with the resolution of that cliffhanger in episode

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one, which is titled The Proposal. So what happens?

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We find out Sam called Diane. Okay, so the fans

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get what they want. He called her. But this is

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Cheers, so it can't be that simple, right? No.

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Diane actually says no. Wait, hold on. I have

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to play devil's advocate here for a second. Go

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for it. Diane has been pining for Sam in her

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own weird, high -strung way for four years. She's

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jealous of every single woman he looks at. He

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finally proposes and she says no. Is this just

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bad writing to stretch the show out? It feels

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frustrating when you're watching it, but I think

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it's actually very true to the psychology of

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her character. How so? Remember the context.

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Sam called her right after breaking up with Janet.

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Right. Diane is highly insecure. She's neurotic.

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She analyzes everything. So she thinks, he's

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on the rebound. He doesn't actually want me.

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He just doesn't want to be alone. Oh, I see.

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So she declines the proposal to protect her own

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ego. Okay, that makes sense. So Sam, being Sam.

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decides he needs a grand gesture to prove he

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means it. And this leads to one of the most famous

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visuals of the entire season, the boat scene.

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Yes, the sailboat. Cliff Clavin, the resident

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bar know -it -all, suggests a romantic setting.

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Typical Cliff. So Sam takes Diane out on a beautiful

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sailboat in Boston Harbor to propose properly.

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And surely, on a beautiful boat, with the wind

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in her hair, Out on the water, she says yes.

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She refuses again. You're kidding. She cites

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Janet Eldridge again, saying he's not over her.

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And this is where the famous physical comedy

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of the show kicks in. What does Sam do? Sam is

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so furious, so completely done with her constant

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rejection, that he hops into the tiny emergency

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dinghy and just rows away. Leaving her stranded

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on the sailboat. Leaving her completely stranded

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in the middle of the harbor. That is incredible.

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It's a perfect visual metaphor for their relationship

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at that point. They're literally adrift. And

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then we get the flip -flop. Because they can

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never be on the exact same page at the exact

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same time. Days later, Diane realizes she made

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a huge mistake. She goes back to Sam. She essentially

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says, okay, I'm ready. Ask me again. And Sam

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says no. You reject her. He tells her the proposal

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has expired. Like a carton of milk at the back

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of the fridge. Sorry, pass the sell -by date.

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Exactly. It's a total defense mechanism on his

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part. But this dynamic, Sam chases, Diane runs,

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Diane chases, Sam runs, it really defines the

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entire first half of the season. It's a dance

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of dysfunction. That's a great way to put it.

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It feels like the writers were really trying

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to exhaust every possible angle of why these

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two shouldn't be together, almost to prepare

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the audience for the eventual end. Yes, they

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were laying the groundwork. There's a mid -season

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arc that I found particularly wild in the notes,

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the episode Chambers vs. Malone. Oh. This is

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a very pivotal one. It starts with Diane being

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absolutely convinced Sam is going to propose

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again. But he doesn't. He doesn't. He holds out.

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But eventually he breaks down and does propose.

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And guess what? She says no again. At this point,

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I would have thrown her out of the bar permanently.

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Sam essentially tries to do just that. He chases

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her out. She trips and falls. And she ends up

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in a neck brace. Oh, boy. And then in a twist

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that is just pure sitcom logic, she takes him

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to court. Over a fall? Wait, and a judge gets

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involved in their engagement? Yes. The judge

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looks at this chaotic, shouting, messy couple

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in his courtroom and basically compels Sam to

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propose to her right there on the record. Are

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you serious? And Diane accepts the proposal.

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mostly just to keep Sam from going to jail for

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assault or negligence regarding the fall. Well,

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nothing screams eternal love quite like a court

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-ordered proposal to avoid incarceration. It's

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the absolute antithesis of romance, and I think

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that's exactly the writer's point. They're showing

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us it's doomed. Right. They're showing the audience

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that this union is completely forced. It might

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be legally binding in that moment, but it's not

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organic. It's toxic. And then we have the ring

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debacle, the episode Diamond Sam. This story

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really highlights the class difference between

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them that was always the engine of the show's

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conflict. It does. It really brings it to the

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forefront. Sam agrees to buy her an engagement

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ring, and the price tag is $5 ,200. Wow. In 1987,

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that is a massive amount of money for a bartender,

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even one who technically owns the joint. I actually

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checked an inflation calculator for this. That's

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like spending $14 ,000 or $15 ,000 today. Exactly.

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And Sam, being a bit cheap and always knowing

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a guy who knows a guy, tries to cut some corners.

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Classic Sam. He buys a knockoff ring from a shady

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friend of Norm's for $1 ,200 instead. Ha! The

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classic, it fell off a truck discount. Right.

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But... And this is actually really important

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for Sam's character growth over the seasons.

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He feels guilty about it. His conscience kicks

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in. It does. His conscience gets the better of

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him. He secretly switches the fake ring back

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for the real expensive one. But Diane doesn't

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know he switched it back. No, she doesn't. She

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finds out about the original deception. She thinks

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the ring currently on her finger is the $1 ,200

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fake. Oh, no. So in a fit of high class, self

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-righteous rage, she throws it right out the

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car window. She throws a $5 ,200 ring out the

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window onto the highway. Yes. And the look on

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Sam's face. Yeah. It's not just comedy in that

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moment. It's genuine pain. I bet. It's his financial

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ruin literally flying out onto the asphalt. All

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of this chaos, the court cases, the lost rings,

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the fighting, it's all leading to the season

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finale. The big one. The episode titled, I Do

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a Do. Now, looking back, that title is a massive

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spoiler. It really is, isn't it? But at the time,

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people genuinely thought this was it. They thought

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they were tying the knot. The wedding is actually

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happening in the episode. They're at the altar,

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essentially. But the writers needed a powerful

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catalyst to stop it from going through. So they

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brought back the original villain. Exactly. Sumner

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Sloan. For listeners who haven't memorized the

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pilot episode from years prior, Sumner Sloan

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is Diane's ex -fiance. Right. He's the stuffy

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literature professor. who brought her to the

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bar in episode one and then completely abandoned

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her there to go run off with his ex -wife. So

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his return is perfectly symmetrical. He started

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the entire series, and now he's here to end this

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chapter of it. He brings a deus ex machina with

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him. He tells Diane that a very prominent publisher

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is impressed with one of her manuscripts. A lifeline

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to her old dreams. But he gives her a harsh warning

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along with it. He says, if you marry Sam, you

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will become a barfly. You will never finish this

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book. You will lose your brilliance. It's the

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cruelest thing he could possibly say to her,

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but is he wrong? That's the real tragedy of the

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scene. He might not be wrong. And this is where

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Sam Malone really surprises us as an audience.

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What does he do? Throughout the series, Sam has

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been selfish, he's been womanizing, and often

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very shallow. But in this specific moment at

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the altar, he sees the look in Diane's eyes.

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He knows her too well. He sees that she actually

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wants to finish the book. more than she wants

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the marriage and he makes the agonizing decision

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for her he does he completely takes the burden

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off her shoulders he persuades her to cancel

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the wedding he tells her to go pursue her dream

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it is a moment of genuine heartbreaking selflessness

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from a character not known for it he lets her

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go because he loves her enough to want her to

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be happy even if it's not with him and diane

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makes a promise as she leaves she says i'll be

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back in six months i'll be back in six months

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it is one of the most famous lies in TV history.

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It gives me chills just thinking about it. Sam

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says, have a good life under his breath as she

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walks out the door. Yeah. He knows she's not

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coming back. We know she's not coming back. It's

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absolutely devastating. But let's peel back the

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curtain a bit here. This narrative arc wasn't

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just a purely creative choice by the writers.

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It was a production necessity. Oh, absolutely.

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We need to talk about Shelley Long. Right. This

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wasn't a case of the writers getting bored with

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the character of Diane or feeling the romance

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had run its course. Shelley Long herself wanted

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to leave the show. When did she decide this?

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She announced her plans way back in January 1986.

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Wow. So before season five even finished, let

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alone season six. Exactly. Before season six

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production would have even been a thought. And

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by December 1986, the decision was a completely

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done deal. Why leave the biggest show on television?

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I mean, it was a juggernaut. The usual reasons

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you see in Hollywood? She wanted to concentrate

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on her film career. Right. She had movies like

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True Beverly Hills and Outrageous Fortune coming

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up. And she also wanted to focus more on her

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family. The network sitcom grind is really demanding.

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Contrast that with Ted Danson's situation. Complete

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opposite. Ted Danson signed a brand new contract

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for the 1987 -1988 season. He was locked in.

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So the producers were left with a major math

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problem. Exactly. We have Sam, but we don't have

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Diane. Yeah. We can't have them happily married

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and living in different cities. It completely

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kills the comedy of the show. So they really

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had to break them up. There was no other way.

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They had to. And as a result, they decided to

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completely pivot Sam's character moving forward.

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What was the new strategy for him? They wanted

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to strip away the emotional heaviness of the

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long -term relationship and make him a carefree

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bachelor again. A goof off. They wanted to bring

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the lightweight fun back to the bar. And obviously

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they had to start searching for a replacement

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female lead, someone who looked and felt very

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different from Shelley Wong. Right, which eventually

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leads to Kirstie Alley. But that's a whole different

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story. Now, I really want to get into the security

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measures surrounding this finale because this

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sounds like something straight out of a spy novel.

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It really does. We hear about Marvel filming

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fake scenes today to avoid script leaks on Reddit

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or Twitter, but Cheers was doing this in 1987.

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They were intensely paranoid about leaks. They

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knew that if the real ending leaked, the fact

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that Diane actually leaves Sam at the altar,

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it would completely ruin the suspense and potentially

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hurt the ratings. So what do they do? They filmed

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three entirely different endings for I Do A Do

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right in front of the live studio audience. Three.

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Walk me through them. Okay. Ending number one.

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Sam and Diane actually get married. They went

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through with it. They say the vows, they kiss,

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the crowd goes wild, the audience cheers. Imagine

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being in that studio audience, right, thinking

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you just saw television history and then watching

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the show months later at home and seeing a totally

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different ending air. It must have been so confusing.

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Then ending number two was the real one. She

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accepts the offer to finish the novel and leaves

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the bar. And the third. There was a third ending

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film that remains unrevealed to this day. Rumor

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has it, it was just a very vague cliffhanger

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to keep everyone guessing. Did anyone ever see

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that fake wedding footage? The one where they

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actually tie the knot? It sat hidden in a vault

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for over a decade. It finally aired in 1998 on

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a special hosted by Fox. That is so cool. But

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just think about the sheer cost and effort to

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script, block, rehearse, and film a fake wedding

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just to keep a secret from the press. That is

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next -level dedication to the story. Now, while

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all this intense Sam and Diane drama was sucking

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up all the oxygen in the room, something else

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was happening quietly in the background of Season

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5. Yes, the evolution of the ensemble. This is

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really the core thesis of our deep dive today.

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Season 5 is the bridge. It really is. It's where

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cheers prove it isn't just the Sam and Diane

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show. The supporting cast... steps up in a massive,

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massive way. They had to. The writers were testing

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the waters to see if this show could survive

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without its central romance. Let's talk about

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Frasier Crane. Kelsey Grammer is finally in the

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opening credits this season. He's officially

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made it. He has. And we really see the solidification

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of his relationship with Lilith Sternen, played

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by the absolutely incredible Bebe Neuwirth. She

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is brilliant. Now, here's a shocker for you.

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Bebe Neuwirth is only in two episodes this entire

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season. That feels completely impossible. She

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looms so large in the show's overall history.

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It really speaks to the power of her performance.

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The episode Abnormal Psychology is an absolute

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masterclass in comedic acting. Remind me what

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happens in that one. Frasier and Lilith go on

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a television talk show to debate psychiatric

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theories. But it's not really an academic debate,

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is it? No, it's entirely foreplay. They are using

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this incredibly dense, dry academic jargon, but

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the subtext is purely sexual. They start playing

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footsie under the table while aggressively discussing

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Freud on live TV. And then Fraser takes her home.

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He does. Lilith literally lets her hair down.

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And in this season, despite her very limited

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screen time, they actually become engaged and

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move in together. That's a huge step for his

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character. It gave Fraser a real life outside

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of just... Being the pretentious guy Diane dumped

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at the altar in season three. It made him a fully

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realized independent character. And then we have

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Carla Tortelli. She finally gets a love interest

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who fits her perfectly. Eddie Lebec. The French

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-Canadian goalie for the Boston Bruins. It's

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such a hyper -specific Boston trope, but it works

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perfectly for her. It works because it taps directly

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into Carla's deep -seated superstition. Yeah.

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In the episode Never Love a Goalie, Carla becomes

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completely convinced she has a jinx on him. Why?

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Every single time she dates him or goes to a

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game, the Bruins lose. So she breaks up with

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him for the good of the hockey team. Exactly.

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Yeah. It shows her true priorities. Her loyalty

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is to the Bruins first and romance is a distant

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second. That is so funny. But they reconcile

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when he finally breaks his losing streak and

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wins a game. It's a great arc because it gave

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Rhea Perlman Something vulnerable to do besides

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just standing around insulting people. Speaking

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of Carla, we have to talk about the House of

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Horrors episode. Oh, this is such a great B -plot.

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Okay. Carla buys a house that is suspiciously

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cheap. Always a red flag. Right. She soon finds

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out it was built directly on top of a 17th century

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prison graveyard. Ookie. The walls shake violently.

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Bright lights flash through the windows at night.

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She naturally thinks it's poltergeists punishing

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her. Of course she does. But then she finds out

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the mundane truth. The house is just located

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directly under the very low flight path of Logan

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Airport. And her reaction to that news is just

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priceless. Most normal people would be devastated

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by the noise pollution. But Carla is immensely

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relieved. She screams, it's just a 747. She doesn't

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mind the deafening noise at all. She just didn't

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want ghosts in her house. It's a perfect specific

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character beat. Now what about the guys holding

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down the end of the bar? Cliff and Norm. They

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are essentially the Greek chorus of the show.

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In season five, we see the writers really experimenting

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with giving them more agency in their own storylines.

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Like Norm's business venture. Yes. Norm tries

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to start a business called Tan and Wash. A laundromat

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and tanning salon combined into one storefront.

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It's a terrible, terrible idea. And it collapses.

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Literally collapses. The roof caves in, right?

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The roof caves in from heavy snow because Norm...

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being Norm, didn't bother to secure insurance.

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Oh, Norm. It reinforces the core truth of his

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character. Norm is lovable, but he is fundamentally

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a loser in the outside business world. He truly

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belongs safely on that bar school. And Cliff

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has his own disaster this season in an episode

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called Dog Bites Cliff. He meets a woman named

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Madeline Keith. He thinks he's found true love.

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But there's a catch. There is always a catch

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with Cliff. It turns out she's only dating him

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to butter him up and trick him into signing a

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legal liability waiver. Because her dog bit him.

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Exactly. It's incredibly cynical, but it's very

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funny. It cements their roles on the show. They

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are the constants. While Sam and Diane have this

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operatic, high -stakes romantic drama, Cliff

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and Norm are dealing with minor dog bites and

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terrible business investments. It really grounds

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the show in everyday reality. We also have to

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mention Woody Boyd. Woody Harrelson had a real

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-life incident that completely bled into the

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production, didn't he? He did. Woody Harrelson

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actually broke his arm in real life while practicing

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for the Toyota Grand Prix celebrity race. A legit

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car crash. A legit car crash. So he shows up

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to the set to film with his arm in a giant cast.

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And the writers just rolled with it. They had

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no choice. In the episode One Last Fling, Woody

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has a cast. When the other characters ask him

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about it, he just waves it off and says he has

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a tiresome story about it. Which is a great meta

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joke. It was a total meta wink to the audience

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who probably already read about his real -life

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car crash in the tabloids that week. I want to

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zoom in on one specific episode that I think

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proves the ensemble theory better than any other

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piece of evidence. Episode 9, Thanksgiving Orphans.

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Oh, yes. If you are teaching a college class

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on sitcom writing, this episode is on the syllabus.

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The premise is incredibly simple. It's Thanksgiving

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Day. None of the lonely hearts at the bar have

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anywhere else to go. Right. So they all decide

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to crash at Carla's new house. It takes the characters

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entirely out of the bar, which is always a risky

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move for a workplace sitcom, and puts them in

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a claustrophobic pressure cooker. And everything

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goes wrong. Everything. The food is a disaster.

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Yeah. Norm's giant turkey is completely frozen

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solid. The house is freezing cold. And Diane

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shows up uninvited, of course, dressed head to

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toe as a pilgrim. Because of course she does.

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And she forces these hungry, cranky people to

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do a traditional long -winded Thanksgiving prayer.

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It's unbearable. The tension just builds and

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builds. Everyone is starving, freezing, and annoyed

00:24:51.750 --> 00:24:54.029
with each other. And then it finally explodes.

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It explodes into one of the most famous, chaotic

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food fights in television history. And I really

00:25:00.589 --> 00:25:02.670
want to highlight the technical difficulty of

00:25:02.670 --> 00:25:05.630
filming this scene. Why is it so hard? You can't

00:25:05.630 --> 00:25:08.329
easily do a food fight twice on a sitcom set.

00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.039
The set gets completely destroyed with actual

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food. The wardrobe gets ruined. So they had to

00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:16.099
get it in one take. Essentially, yes. If you

00:25:16.099 --> 00:25:18.059
watch the scene closely, you can actually see

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:20.660
the actors slipping and sliding on the mashed

00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:22.960
potatoes on the floor. That wasn't scripted acting.

00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.680
No, that was genuine physical chaos. They were

00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.240
legitimately struggling to stay upright while

00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:31.079
throwing peas at each other. And there's the

00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.839
incredible gag at the very end with Norm's wife,

00:25:34.059 --> 00:25:36.519
Vera. The longest running joke of the entire

00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:39.140
series is that we never ever see Vera's face.

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.319
But in this episode, she actually rings the doorbell

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and walks through the door. The audience gasps.

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Yes. The studio audience genuinely thinks we

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.759
are finally going to see her. And then splat.

00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:52.480
Diane winds up to throw a pumpkin pie, misses

00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.259
her intended target completely, and hits Vera

00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:57.440
square in the face right as she walks in. It's

00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.420
brilliant. Vera just stands there, her face completely

00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:02.940
covered in thick pie filling. We still don't

00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:06.259
see her face. It is an absolute genius piece

00:26:06.259 --> 00:26:10.230
of physical comedy and staging. TV Guide actually

00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:12.569
ranks this episode number seven on their list

00:26:12.569 --> 00:26:15.150
of the 100 greatest episodes of all time. It

00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:17.289
deserves it. And I think it's because it showed

00:26:17.289 --> 00:26:20.269
that this disparate group of barflies is actually

00:26:20.269 --> 00:26:22.930
a family. They bicker, they insult each other,

00:26:23.009 --> 00:26:25.329
they throw yams at each other's heads. But at

00:26:25.329 --> 00:26:27.789
the end of the day, they are together. Exactly.

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Even without the heavy Sam and Diane romance

00:26:30.470 --> 00:26:33.069
driving the plot forward, that episode works

00:26:33.069 --> 00:26:35.309
flawlessly. It proved to the network that the

00:26:35.309 --> 00:26:38.359
show had real legs to stand on. There are a few

00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.740
other standout episodes from season five we should

00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.119
definitely mention, Simon says, featuring the

00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.400
legendary John Cleese. This is the British invasion

00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.599
of Cheers. John Cleese plays Dr. Simon Finchwise,

00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:51.920
who is this very uptight British marriage counselor.

00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:54.599
He is basically the anti -Cheers character. Completely.

00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:57.059
He hates the bar environment. He hates the casual

00:26:57.059 --> 00:27:00.380
people in it. And he tells Sam and Diane exactly

00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:02.980
what we've all been thinking. Their relationship

00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:05.839
is completely doomed. He is the ultimate voice

00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.259
of reason. He observes them for a bit, looks

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:11.140
at them dead in the eye, and says, you two are

00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:13.500
a disaster. You shouldn't be together. But they

00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:17.299
don't accept that. No. They're so deeply annoying,

00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.480
so relentlessly persistent, that they basically

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.619
torture the poor man until he breaks down and

00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:24.900
lies to them. He just gives up. He finally screams,

00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:27.640
you're going to be very happy, just to get them

00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.589
to shut up and leave him alone. Cleese actually

00:27:29.589 --> 00:27:32.990
won an Emmy for Outstanding Guest Performer for

00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:35.549
that single episode, and it is so well -deserved.

00:27:35.829 --> 00:27:38.470
It was a perfect clash of acting styles. You

00:27:38.470 --> 00:27:41.869
had Cleese's manic, elevated British energy completely

00:27:41.869 --> 00:27:45.009
clashing with the laid -back, grounded vibe of

00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:47.349
the Boston bar. And we absolutely cannot forget

00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:50.210
Cheers, the motion picture. Oh, another classic

00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:52.609
ensemble piece. The gang tries to make a home

00:27:52.609 --> 00:27:55.029
movie to convince Woody's strict parents that

00:27:55.029 --> 00:27:57.210
Boston is a safe, happy place. Because they want

00:27:57.210 --> 00:27:59.480
him to move back to Indiana. Right. But the bar

00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.900
regulars are absolutely terrible filmmakers.

00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:05.619
It's a complete horror show. It is. They inadvertently

00:28:05.619 --> 00:28:08.039
film Sam looking like he's threatening a helpless

00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:11.559
puppy. Oh, gosh. Norm is just aggressively binge

00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:13.799
eating in the background of a shot. And worst

00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.480
of all, you can clearly see a suicidal jumper

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.500
outside the window of Frazier's office. It makes

00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.400
Boston look like a terrifying dystopia. It really

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.299
does. But then Diane gets her hands on the raw

00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:28.099
footage. And she decides to fix it. She edits

00:28:28.099 --> 00:28:31.500
it into what is described as a Godardesque montage.

00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.240
Very avant -garde. It's highly pretentious, artsy,

00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.759
and completely unintelligible to a normal person.

00:28:38.019 --> 00:28:41.779
It perfectly captures that core conflict of Diane's

00:28:41.779 --> 00:28:45.380
high culture pretension versus the bar's gritty.

00:28:45.710 --> 00:28:47.829
blue -collar reality. So we've looked at the

00:28:47.829 --> 00:28:50.269
big episodes, the romantic drama, the massive

00:28:50.269 --> 00:28:52.309
departure of the lead actress. Now comes the

00:28:52.309 --> 00:28:54.369
big historical question. How was this season

00:28:54.369 --> 00:28:56.369
actually received when it aired? That's the real

00:28:56.369 --> 00:28:59.210
test. Losing Shelley Long is a massive, massive

00:28:59.210 --> 00:29:01.509
blow to a hit show. Did the critics at the time

00:29:01.509 --> 00:29:03.750
think Cheers was dead in the water? The initial

00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:07.150
reaction was very mixed. In 1987, emotions were

00:29:07.150 --> 00:29:09.230
running really high among the critics. Or the

00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:12.079
same. Well, Kathy Carlisle at the LA Times was

00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.740
very pro -romance. She wrote that she felt the

00:29:14.740 --> 00:29:16.819
writers completely betrayed the loyal audience

00:29:16.819 --> 00:29:19.519
by not letting them get married. She felt cheated.

00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:22.660
Exactly. But then, on the other side, you had

00:29:22.660 --> 00:29:25.319
Monica Collins writing for USA Today. What did

00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.579
she say? She was absolutely brutal. Oh, really?

00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:30.480
She called the character of Diane a snitty, selfish

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.940
snob in print and said she was actively relieved

00:29:33.940 --> 00:29:37.430
to see her finally leave the show. Wow. Tell

00:29:37.430 --> 00:29:39.730
us how you really feel, Monica. She really felt

00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:41.589
the character had become suffocating to the rest

00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:43.750
of the cast. But if we look at the retrospective

00:29:43.750 --> 00:29:45.650
reviews, you know, critics writing about the

00:29:45.650 --> 00:29:48.930
DVD box sets years later, looking at the season

00:29:48.930 --> 00:29:52.190
as a complete piece of work, the consensus really

00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.109
shifts, doesn't it? It does. Significantly. When

00:29:55.109 --> 00:29:57.349
you remove the immediate emotion of the cliffhanger,

00:29:57.470 --> 00:30:00.430
the analysis is much kinder. Like Jeffrey Robinson's

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:02.470
review. Right. Jeffrey Robinson, a DVD talk called

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:04.910
Season 5, a great improvement over Season 4.

00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.099
And Adam Arsenault over at DVD Verdict gave the

00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:11.680
entire season a 96 % grade. That's a solid A

00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.859
-plus in the television world. The prevailing

00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:17.539
feeling now among TV historians is that the show

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:21.339
absolutely needed this hard reset. It cleansed

00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:24.019
the palate. The acting held up beautifully, and

00:30:24.019 --> 00:30:25.920
the writing was sharper than ever because they

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.380
had to work harder. We often talk about the concept

00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.160
of jumping the shark on this show. Usually when

00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:33.700
a main titular character leaves a hit series,

00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.099
that is the definitive shark jumping moment.

00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.019
That's when the show starts to suck, usually.

00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:41.279
Right. But Cheers seems to be the rare exception

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.200
to the rule. By pivoting hard to the ensemble

00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.099
format and by bringing in Kirstie Alley in season

00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.599
six, which is a massive topic we'll cover another

00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.700
day, they managed to not just survive, but stay

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:55.480
in the top 10 ratings for years and years. Season

00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.480
five was the bridge. It safely took us from the

00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.160
two -hander Sam and Diane show to the sprawling

00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.599
ensemble cheers show we remember today. Absolutely.

00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.240
It was the painful growing pains necessary for

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.420
the show's incredible longevity. Without a doubt.

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.640
Well, before we wrap up today's deep dive, I

00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.279
have a little piece of weird production trivia

00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.420
that I stumbled upon in the notes. And it feels

00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.359
like a glitch in the Matrix. Oh, I love these

00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.339
weird little details. What is it? Okay, so there

00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:24.789
is an episode. late in Season 5 titled The Godfather

00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:27.509
Part 3. Okay, sure. But if you look at the calendar,

00:31:27.690 --> 00:31:31.569
this episode aired in March of 1987. Right. The

00:31:31.569 --> 00:31:34.549
actual Francis Ford Coppola movie, The Godfather

00:31:34.549 --> 00:31:37.470
Part 3, wasn't released in theaters until 1990.

00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:40.549
That is bizarre. The sitcom writers were acting

00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:44.599
as unintentional prophets. Either that or maybe

00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.200
Francis Ford Coppola was just a huge Cheers fan

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.460
on Thursday nights and got the title idea from

00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:51.740
them. I choose to believe that version of history.

00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:54.079
It's much funnier. We may never know the truth.

00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:56.859
All right. As we finally close the book on the

00:31:56.859 --> 00:31:59.380
chaotic, brilliant season five, I want to leave

00:31:59.380 --> 00:32:01.220
you listening with a provocative thought to mull

00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:03.660
over. Let's hear it. We know for a fact they

00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.920
filmed that secret alternate ending where Sam

00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.839
and Diane actually got married at the altar.

00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.119
The happily ever after cut sitting in the vault.

00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.299
Right. If they had aired that version. If Shelley

00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:16.279
Long had decided to stay on the show, would Cheers

00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.119
have survived another six seasons? It's the ultimate

00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.960
television what if. Would it have worked? There

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.940
is an old saying in comedy writing rooms. Happiness

00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:27.900
is the enemy of funny. Right. Conflict is comedy.

00:32:28.099 --> 00:32:31.180
Think about a happy, settled, married Sam and

00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:34.759
Diane just dealing with mundane domestic issues

00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.119
in the bar. That sounds like a completely different

00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.970
show. And honestly, maybe a boring show. So the

00:32:41.970 --> 00:32:44.349
heartbreak we saw was actually the fuel keeping

00:32:44.349 --> 00:32:47.049
the engine running. I firmly think so. The pain

00:32:47.049 --> 00:32:49.829
of the breakup kept the hunger alive. It allowed

00:32:49.829 --> 00:32:52.569
Sam to be the rogue Sam again. And crucially,

00:32:52.650 --> 00:32:55.049
it allowed the amazing ensemble cast the room

00:32:55.049 --> 00:32:57.410
they needed to breathe and grow. It was necessary

00:32:57.410 --> 00:33:00.269
pain. Painful as it was for the hardcore shippers

00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:03.289
in 1987, I think losing Diane saved the series.

00:33:03.450 --> 00:33:05.509
A tough pill to swallow for the romantics out

00:33:05.509 --> 00:33:07.569
there, but very hard to argue with the history

00:33:07.569 --> 00:33:10.009
books and the ratings that followed. Thank you

00:33:10.009 --> 00:33:12.309
so much for joining us on this deep dive into

00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:15.170
the absolute pivot point of 80s television. It

00:33:15.170 --> 00:33:16.950
was an absolute pleasure talking about it. We'll

00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:18.029
see you next time at the bar. Cheers.
