WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.299 Okay, let's do this. I want you to just for a 00:00:02.299 --> 00:00:05.500 second think back to 2012. What was reality TV 00:00:05.500 --> 00:00:07.580 then? I mean, we were deep in the mean judge 00:00:07.580 --> 00:00:09.699 era. You know the whole formula. Oh, totally. 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.560 It was almost a sport. It was. A contestant stands 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:15.119 there, they sing their heart out, and then some 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:18.219 guy in a tight t -shirt just completely dismantles 00:00:18.219 --> 00:00:20.879 their confidence for readings. That was the playbook. 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.239 The humiliation was literally the point. Exactly. 00:00:23.660 --> 00:00:26.879 So then you get two of the, I mean... arguably 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.679 biggest latin superstars on the entire planet 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:33.159 jennifer lopez and mark anthony and just to add 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.500 another layer they conceived this show while 00:00:36.500 --> 00:00:40.020 married but by the time it airs things are well 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:42.539 let's just say complicated they team up with 00:00:42.539 --> 00:00:44.539 jamie king who's this legendary director you 00:00:44.539 --> 00:00:47.100 know the guy behind tours for madonna for rihanna 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:49.939 and they decide to do a reality show but And 00:00:49.939 --> 00:00:52.259 this is the key. They basically throw the entire 00:00:52.259 --> 00:00:54.719 playbook out the window. Right. They're not sitting 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.679 in some studio in Hollywood. They're not waiting 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.979 for contestants to come to them. They're getting 00:00:59.979 --> 00:01:01.979 on planes. They're going out and finding people. 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.079 It was like a travel show, a cultural deep dive, 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.400 and a talent search all at once. And that's what 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.420 we're digging into today. Cue Viva, The Chosen. 00:01:12.030 --> 00:01:13.510 And if you're thinking, oh, I kind of remember 00:01:13.510 --> 00:01:15.650 that. Well, you're in the right place because 00:01:15.650 --> 00:01:17.769 this isn't just a recap. We've got a stack of 00:01:17.769 --> 00:01:20.010 sources here that show how this experiment was 00:01:20.010 --> 00:01:22.349 at the exact same time. A huge hit and a massive 00:01:22.349 --> 00:01:24.769 flop. It all depending on what channel you were 00:01:24.769 --> 00:01:26.769 watching. And that's really the core of it. It's 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:29.790 this perfect case study in audience demographics, 00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:32.609 you know. But beyond all the business stuff, 00:01:32.790 --> 00:01:36.420 the talent they found was just. It was genuinely 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:38.400 wild. We're not talking about another pop singer. 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.859 We're talking about like my musicians and fire 00:01:41.859 --> 00:01:44.719 jugglers. Yeah. So that's our mission for this 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.319 deep dive. How did a show with this much money, 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:49.439 this much star power end up in what the networks 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.099 called a death spiral while also breaking records 00:01:52.099 --> 00:01:54.340 on another channel? So let's start with the premise. 00:01:54.540 --> 00:01:56.859 What were they even trying to build? It wasn't 00:01:56.859 --> 00:01:59.819 just a TV show, right? No, not at all. The end 00:01:59.819 --> 00:02:01.920 goal wasn't a record deal. And that's the most 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.579 important thing to get. Simon Fuller, the American 00:02:04.579 --> 00:02:07.159 Idol creator, he was involved, but the objective 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.500 was totally different. Lopez, Anthony, and King 00:02:10.500 --> 00:02:13.500 were building a cast for a live show in Las Vegas. 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.520 A Vegas show. A huge Vegas show. They called 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.460 it the greatest Latin show ever. See, that changes 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:21.719 the whole equation. If you're casting a pop group, 00:02:21.860 --> 00:02:24.539 you need people who look good on a poster. But 00:02:24.539 --> 00:02:27.379 if you're booking a residency at, like, Mandalay 00:02:27.379 --> 00:02:29.659 Bay, you need spectacle. You need something the 00:02:29.659 --> 00:02:31.919 guy in the last row can actually see. Precisely. 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:34.180 And that really drove the whole tone of the show. 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.139 Critics at the time, like in the Chicago Tribune, 00:02:37.219 --> 00:02:39.259 they pointed out that the show didn't have the 00:02:39.259 --> 00:02:44.639 usual dramatic backstories or the... Public humiliations. 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.939 Because you can't build a professional cast by 00:02:46.939 --> 00:02:48.800 making fun of them. You can't. You're treating 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.560 them like potential colleagues, not like, you 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:52.819 know, contestants on a game show. In hindsight, 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.139 that sounds so refreshing. But back in 2012, 00:02:55.500 --> 00:02:58.099 wasn't that a huge risk? Weren't audiences trained 00:02:58.099 --> 00:03:00.740 to want the train wreck, the drama? It was a 00:03:00.740 --> 00:03:03.300 massive risk, for sure. But I think they replaced 00:03:03.300 --> 00:03:05.580 that kind of interpersonal drama with logistical 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:08.860 drama. The show became about the journey. the 00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:11.180 travel they were holding auditions on location 00:03:11.180 --> 00:03:15.280 i mean argentina brazil guatemala mexico wow 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.620 and the format itself was still pretty tough 00:03:17.620 --> 00:03:20.360 in its own way if they liked an act they invited 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.460 them to los angeles right and once you got to 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:25.319 la it wasn't over some acts were cut right away 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.610 after a second look The ones they really liked 00:03:27.610 --> 00:03:29.930 were invited to stay at the QViva compound. Ah, 00:03:30.169 --> 00:03:32.409 the compound. So it had that kind of real -world 00:03:32.409 --> 00:03:34.789 vibe? A little bit, but they didn't really focus 00:03:34.789 --> 00:03:36.789 on, you know, who was fighting over the breakfast 00:03:36.789 --> 00:03:40.110 cereal. The focus was always, always on the talent, 00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:42.789 on the craft. Okay, let's get into that talent 00:03:42.789 --> 00:03:45.050 list because this is where the Vegas requirement 00:03:45.050 --> 00:03:47.530 becomes so obvious. Some of these acts are just 00:03:47.530 --> 00:03:50.569 incredible. Let's start with music. The musical 00:03:50.569 --> 00:03:52.750 choices were so specific. They weren't just looking 00:03:52.750 --> 00:03:55.139 for pop. For instance, they found a group from 00:03:55.139 --> 00:03:59.300 Guatemala called Musica Maya AJ. This is traditional 00:03:59.300 --> 00:04:01.759 Mayan music. We're talking indigenous instruments, 00:04:02.060 --> 00:04:05.280 pre -colonial sounds. Which is, that's about 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.639 as far from the mainstream Latin pop of 2012 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.419 as you can get. I mean, putting traditional Mayan 00:04:10.419 --> 00:04:13.819 music on Fox in primetime, that's a statement. 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.519 It is. They also had Jesus Bionis, who is this 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.139 classic mariachi singer from Mexico. And from 00:04:20.139 --> 00:04:22.480 Puerto Rico, they found Christian Neves, who 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.680 plays the Cuatro. Okay, for anyone who doesn't 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.120 know, what is a quattro? It's the national instrument 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.480 of Puerto Rico. It looks sort of like a small 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.360 guitar, but it has this very bright, almost metallic 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.300 sound. It's not an instrument you usually see 00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:37.660 getting a solo spotlight on a huge international 00:04:37.660 --> 00:04:40.100 show. So they're checking all these boxes for 00:04:40.100 --> 00:04:42.480 authenticity, but it's a Jamie King show, so 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.860 it had to be visual. And the dance acts you have 00:04:44.860 --> 00:04:48.149 listed here sound... Intense. Intense is the 00:04:48.149 --> 00:04:50.550 right word. Look at the Malambo dancers from 00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:52.589 Argentina. I was reading about this. Malambo 00:04:52.589 --> 00:04:54.870 isn't just dancing. Is it something else? Oh, 00:04:54.889 --> 00:04:58.069 no. It's a traditional gaucho folk dance. And 00:04:58.069 --> 00:05:00.730 it's all percussion. It's just heavy boots stomping 00:05:00.730 --> 00:05:02.589 on the floor. And they use these things called 00:05:02.589 --> 00:05:05.829 boleadoras. The stones on chords? Exactly. They 00:05:05.829 --> 00:05:08.149 whip them around. They hit the floor. It's aggressive. 00:05:08.230 --> 00:05:11.430 It's loud. It's basically rhythm as a weapon. 00:05:11.829 --> 00:05:13.529 And this is where the show actually had to get 00:05:13.529 --> 00:05:16.449 tough. The notes mentioned two different Malumbo 00:05:16.449 --> 00:05:19.889 groups, Impacto Malumbo and Remolino Malumbo. 00:05:19.949 --> 00:05:21.589 Right. And this is where the nice show had to 00:05:21.589 --> 00:05:24.310 make some hard cuts. Yeah. So with Impacto Malumbo, 00:05:24.430 --> 00:05:26.370 the judges decided they couldn't take the whole 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:28.629 team. They picked just two guys to go to the 00:05:28.629 --> 00:05:31.230 compound. The rest were sent home. Oh, that's 00:05:31.230 --> 00:05:33.790 brutal to travel all that way as a team and then 00:05:33.790 --> 00:05:36.490 get split up. It's the reality of casting. But 00:05:36.490 --> 00:05:38.709 then with the other group, Remolino Malumbo, 00:05:38.850 --> 00:05:41.420 they get to everyone. So you can imagine the 00:05:41.420 --> 00:05:43.319 tension in the compound. One group is whole, 00:05:43.459 --> 00:05:45.779 the other is broken up. And what about from Brazil? 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.360 You have to have Brazil. Of course. They had 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:50.920 a group called Capoeira do Tapatio. Capoeira 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.439 is that amazing mix of martial arts and dance. 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.180 It's all acrobatics and spinning kicks. And from 00:05:56.180 --> 00:05:59.680 Colombia, Swing Latino, which I'm guessing is 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.860 not your standard salsa class. No, this is acrobatic 00:06:02.860 --> 00:06:04.579 high -speed salsa. I mean, they're throwing people 00:06:04.579 --> 00:06:06.819 10 feet in the air. It's legitimately dangerous. 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:09.810 Speaking of dangerous, my favorite category in 00:06:09.810 --> 00:06:12.310 our notes is the unusual. And the first thing 00:06:12.310 --> 00:06:16.029 listed is just fire jugglers. Yes. Sergio Rivera 00:06:16.029 --> 00:06:19.569 from Guatemala and Diego Mon from Mexico. Both 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:23.750 of them. And again, think Vegas. A fire juggler 00:06:23.750 --> 00:06:26.689 on American Idol is a joke. A fire juggler at 00:06:26.689 --> 00:06:29.589 Mandalay Bay. It makes perfect sense. It totally 00:06:29.589 --> 00:06:32.599 does. And then there's an act here. Acrobatic 00:06:32.599 --> 00:06:35.399 quebradita? What on earth is that? Quebradita 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.759 is a Mexican dance style. It's really fast. Acrobatic 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:40.319 just means they were basically doing gymnastics 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.699 while dancing. Lots of flips, these crazy dips. 00:06:42.860 --> 00:06:44.920 Super high energy. It's just such an amazing 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.620 range of talent. But I do see a note about a 00:06:47.620 --> 00:06:49.699 group that didn't make it. The scissor dancers. 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:52.939 Ah, yes. From Peru. It's a traditional Andean 00:06:52.939 --> 00:06:55.319 dance where they hold these two big metal blades 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.819 like shears and clash them together for rhythm 00:06:57.819 --> 00:07:00.459 while they do these insane athletic stunts. And 00:07:00.459 --> 00:07:02.139 they got cut? They got invited to L .A., they 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:04.060 auditioned, and they were eliminated. It just 00:07:04.060 --> 00:07:05.819 shows you how high the bar was. They were trying 00:07:05.819 --> 00:07:09.040 to build one cohesive show, and sometimes even 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.560 amazing talent just doesn't fit the puzzle. So 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.620 you have all this incredible, unique talent. 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.800 You've got J -Lo and Marc Anthony going through 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.279 a very public split while filming. You have massive 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.279 budget. I mean, on paper, this show is a slam 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.870 dunk. On paper, yeah. In reality, it was. It 00:07:25.870 --> 00:07:28.310 was much more complicated. Which brings us to 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:30.730 what you called the tale of two broadcasts. This 00:07:30.730 --> 00:07:32.889 is really the heart of the story. Okay, let's 00:07:32.889 --> 00:07:36.230 break it down. January 28, 2012, the show premieres. 00:07:36.230 --> 00:07:38.209 It premieres on Univision, the Spanish language 00:07:38.209 --> 00:07:41.569 network, and it is a smash hit. It gets 2 .2 00:07:41.569 --> 00:07:43.850 million viewers on its first night. Okay, so 00:07:43.850 --> 00:07:46.610 2 .2 million. That doesn't sound like a Super 00:07:46.610 --> 00:07:48.649 Bowl number, but for Univision, was that a big 00:07:48.649 --> 00:07:50.589 deal? It was huge. You have to look at the context. 00:07:50.730 --> 00:07:53.930 That number was a 37 percent increase over what 00:07:53.930 --> 00:07:55.430 Univision had been averaging in that Saturday 00:07:55.430 --> 00:07:58.410 night slot. I mean, a 37 percent jump. That's 00:07:58.410 --> 00:08:00.490 a monster hit. The Spanish speaking audience 00:08:00.490 --> 00:08:02.810 absolutely loved it. Right. So party time at 00:08:02.810 --> 00:08:05.250 Univision. But then a few weeks later, March 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:08.589 3rd, the English version premieres on Fox. Same 00:08:08.589 --> 00:08:10.850 show, just, you know, packaged for an English 00:08:10.850 --> 00:08:12.949 speaking audience. And here's the crazy part. 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.579 It also got 2 .2 million viewers. The exact same 00:08:16.579 --> 00:08:18.720 number. Pretty much the exact same number of 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:23.560 people watching. But on Univision, 2 .2 million 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.819 is a reason to celebrate. On a major network 00:08:25.819 --> 00:08:29.920 like Fox, in primetime on a Saturday, 2 .2 million 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.980 is an absolute catastrophe. That is just... Wild. 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:36.059 So the same audience size means success in one 00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:39.100 world and total failure in another? It was considered 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:41.700 a massive underperformance. It lost its time 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:44.539 slot to every other major network. And that's 00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:47.100 when the death spiral, as you called it, began. 00:08:47.379 --> 00:08:49.059 Yeah, I know how this goes. The ratings aren't 00:08:49.059 --> 00:08:51.159 there, so the network starts to panic. Exactly. 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:53.740 First thing they did, Fox cut the episodes from 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:56.000 two hours down to 90 minutes. Which just guts 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.440 the storytelling, I'm sure. Of course. Then they 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.139 push it to late night, which is network code 00:09:00.139 --> 00:09:02.950 for we're just burning this off. And finally, 00:09:03.049 --> 00:09:05.889 on May 14th, Fox officially canceled it. They 00:09:05.889 --> 00:09:07.990 only ever aired six episodes. So if you only 00:09:07.990 --> 00:09:10.230 watched Fox, you saw this show appear and then 00:09:10.230 --> 00:09:12.610 just vanish. But if you watched Univision, you 00:09:12.610 --> 00:09:14.990 saw the whole thing and loved it. It's a perfect 00:09:14.990 --> 00:09:17.909 example of audience segmentation. The general 00:09:17.909 --> 00:09:21.129 market audience in 2012, it seems, just wasn't 00:09:21.129 --> 00:09:23.289 ready for a show about the cultural history of 00:09:23.289 --> 00:09:26.070 the quattro. But the Hispanic market was desperate 00:09:26.070 --> 00:09:28.210 for that kind of representation. It's such a 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:30.490 shame the Fox audience missed the Fire Jugglers. 00:09:30.629 --> 00:09:34.690 They really did. But here's the twist. The TV 00:09:34.690 --> 00:09:38.230 show was only ever the means to an end. The destination 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:42.230 was always Vegas. Did the cancellation kill the 00:09:42.230 --> 00:09:45.269 live show? I'm guessing no. No. And that's the 00:09:45.269 --> 00:09:47.629 real win here. The show was basically just a 00:09:47.629 --> 00:09:51.559 really long making -of documentary. Cuviva. The 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:55.899 Chosen Live happened on May 26, 2012. And where 00:09:55.899 --> 00:09:57.879 did they do it? At the Mandalay Bay Event Center, 00:09:58.019 --> 00:10:01.220 a major venue on the Las Vegas Strip. So they 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:03.399 did it. The Fire Jugglers, the Malambo Dancers, 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.230 they all got their Vegas moment. They did. For 00:10:06.230 --> 00:10:07.990 the talent, the promise was fulfilled. They got 00:10:07.990 --> 00:10:09.730 to perform on one of the biggest stages in the 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:11.750 world. I love that. It feels like a really happy 00:10:11.750 --> 00:10:14.269 ending, but I'm looking at our last note here, 00:10:14.309 --> 00:10:15.990 and there's a pretty big shadow hanging over 00:10:15.990 --> 00:10:17.889 this whole thing. Right. We can't wrap up without 00:10:17.889 --> 00:10:19.610 talking about the lawsuit. Yeah. So what happened 00:10:19.610 --> 00:10:22.470 there? Well, in 2013, about a year after the 00:10:22.470 --> 00:10:25.710 show aired, a man named John Jacobs filed a lawsuit. 00:10:25.929 --> 00:10:28.950 And it was a big one. Oh, yeah. A $25 million 00:10:28.950 --> 00:10:31.970 lawsuit against Jennifer Lopez, Mark Anthony, 00:10:32.129 --> 00:10:34.470 and their production companies. On what grounds? 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.220 For $25 million. He claimed that he actually 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:41.039 pitched them this exact idea for a reality show 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:45.440 all the way back in 2007. Five years before it 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.440 aired. Five years. He said he had the whole concept, 00:10:48.539 --> 00:10:50.620 the travelogue, the talent search across Latin 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:52.700 America. Yeah. He claimed they heard his idea, 00:10:52.820 --> 00:10:55.019 passed on it, and then just made it without him. 00:10:55.139 --> 00:10:57.700 So basically, he's saying they stole the show. 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.039 That was his claim. It just adds that layer of, 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.120 you know, showbiz reality to the whole fairy 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.980 tale story. It's always a reminder that it's 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:06.879 a business, isn't it? Always. So when you put 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.139 it all together, what is this show? It's a hit, 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.059 it's a flop, it's a Vegas spectacle, and it's 00:11:12.059 --> 00:11:14.580 a giant lawsuit. I think it's a really bold experiment. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.259 First, it proved that the talent pool in Latin 00:11:17.259 --> 00:11:20.000 America is just unbelievably deep and way more 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.679 diverse than mainstream media ever shows. It 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.580 put things like Quebradita on a global stage. 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:27.460 For sure. And second, it really showed the power 00:11:27.460 --> 00:11:30.139 and specificity. of the Hispanic market in the 00:11:30.139 --> 00:11:32.980 U .S. The fact that Univision could make it a 00:11:32.980 --> 00:11:35.539 hit while Fox couldn't do anything with the same 00:11:35.539 --> 00:11:38.799 show, that speaks volumes. Do you think it was 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.799 just ahead of its time? Like if this came out 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.419 on Netflix today, it would be a smash hit. It's 00:11:43.419 --> 00:11:45.299 very possible. You think about shows like Squid 00:11:45.299 --> 00:11:48.220 Game or Money Heist. We're so much more used 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:51.039 to international content now. But in 2012 on 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:52.820 network television, it was a really tough sell. 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.059 Still, the notes say over 30 million people worldwide 00:11:56.059 --> 00:11:58.519 eventually saw it. That's a lot of people seeing 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.840 Mayan music for the first time. It is. The global 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.139 reach was huge. It aired in 21 countries. So 00:12:04.139 --> 00:12:06.440 to sum it all up, J -Lo and Marc Anthony on a 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.440 road trip, a hit on one channel, a flop on another, 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.200 and a huge one -night -only show in Vegas. And 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.039 a $25 million lawsuit. Can't forget the lawsuit. 00:12:14.340 --> 00:12:16.659 It's an incredible story for a show that barely 00:12:16.659 --> 00:12:19.559 existed on American network TV. It burned very 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.299 bright and very fast. A bit like a fire juggler. 00:12:22.539 --> 00:12:25.200 could say. Huh. I see what you did. Before we 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.379 sign off, what's the one thing you think we should 00:12:27.379 --> 00:12:29.500 leave people with on this? I think it really 00:12:29.500 --> 00:12:32.500 forces you to ask, how do we define success in 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:36.500 media? I mean, by network TV standards, Fox canceled 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:39.840 it. So it was a failure. Period. But you ask 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.080 one of those Malambo dancers who got to perform 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.919 at Mandalay Bay if it was a failure or ask one 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.019 of the 30 million viewers who saw their own culture 00:12:47.019 --> 00:12:49.500 celebrated. Sometimes the ratings just don't 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:51.100 tell the whole story. That's a perfect way to 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:53.039 put it. Success really does look different depending 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:55.220 on where you're standing. Exactly. Well, thanks 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:57.639 for joining us for this deep dive into the wild 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.080 world of QViva, The Chosen. We'll see you on 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:01.960 the next one. See you then.