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I want you to picture a drive. And, you know,

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it's probably a drive you've done a hundred times

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without even really thinking about what you were

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seeing. You start right in the city center. It's

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tight. It's loud. You're in those canyons of

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steel and glass. Right. The urban core. Exactly.

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Then you drive out. You pass that inner ring.

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You know, the older houses, the really dense

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neighborhoods. Then you hit the highway. The

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main artery out. Yeah. The arterial bleed. And

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for, I don't know, the next 20, 30 minutes. It's

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the classic American suburb. It's almost comforting

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in its familiarity. Totally. You know exactly

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what to expect. The strip malls, the big box

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stores, the car dealerships with those wacky

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inflatable tube men. Those nine gorillas, yeah.

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You know exactly where you are. But then you

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keep driving and the landscape, it starts to...

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It starts to glitch. Glitch is the perfect word

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for it. It stops making linear sense. It really

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does. You pass the last big shopping complex

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and then boom, there's a cornfield. But right

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in the middle of that cornfield is a brand new

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subdivision. And I don't mean like one farmhouse.

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I'm talking 50 enormous 4 ,000 square foot houses

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on these huge lots. Right. And then what's next

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to that? A patch of forest? A forest, then maybe

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a solitary glass office building sitting alone

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in a meadow. Like it was dropped there by a spaceship.

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Totally. Then a goat farm, then another subdivision.

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And you're sitting there thinking, okay, wait

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a minute. Am I in the country? But you can't

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be, because you know there's a Starbucks five

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minutes down the road. Right. So you think, am

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I in the city? Well, definitely not. Am I in

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the suburbs? Well, I can't see my neighbor's

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house through the trees, so probably not the

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suburbs as we know them. This is that uncanny

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valley of human settlement. We are entering the

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excerpt. That's it. And that right there is the

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mission for this deep dive. We are going to decode

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this very specific slice of geography that sits

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right at the bleeding edge of the metropolitan

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area. It's the in -between. It is. It's not city,

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it's not suburb, and it's not quite rural. It's

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something else. And I think interface is maybe

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the most important word we can use today. It's

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the analytical layer. We're not just looking

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at a place on a map. We are analyzing the friction

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point. This is where the tectonic plates of the

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urban economy and the rural landscape just grind

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against each other. That's a great way to put

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it. We're looking at economic tethers, huge population

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shifts, and the weird sociological experiments

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that happen when you start mixing commuters with

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bears. Oh, we are definitely getting to the bears.

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We have a massive stack of sources to work through.

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We're going to hit the sociological definitions,

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of course. We've got the landmark Brickings Institution

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report. which is basically the Bible for this

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topic. It really is. But we're also going global

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with this. We have ecological studies from Xi

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'an in China that are just fascinating. We've

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got reports on these. posh but kind of emptying

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neighborhoods outside Moscow dogs and we're absolutely

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going to talk about how this specific type of

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zoning led to a literal battle between dogs and

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bears in New Jersey which is a real thing by

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the way it sounds made up but it's not I know

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it's amazing and frankly a little terrifying

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but okay before we get to the animal combat let's

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try to pin this thing down What actually is an

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exurb? Because, you know, it feels like one of

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those buzzwords. It does. It sounds like something

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a real estate agent invented to sell a house

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that's an hour away from everything. Right. It's

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not in the middle of nowhere. It's an exclusive

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exurb and retreat. Exactly. But it's a real sociologically

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distinct concept. And, you know, to get a handle

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on it, we can start with the word itself. It's

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a portmanteau. OK. It combines extra meaning

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outside. And urban. Outside the city. Simple

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enough. Simple enough. But who came up with it?

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It feels so modern. Like something that would

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have popped up during the dot -com boom or something.

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You would think so, wouldn't you? But it actually

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goes all the way back to 1955. Wow. Really? Yeah.

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A writer named Auguste Comte Spiktorski wrote

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a book. called the Exurbanites. 1955. That's

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like peak Mad Men era. That's the gray flannel

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suit era. It absolutely is. And Spektorsky was

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describing something very, very specific to that

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time. He wasn't talking about the kind of middle

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class sprawl we see today. Not at all. So what

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was he looking at? He was looking at what he

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called a ring of prosperous communities. that

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were way out beyond the suburbs. Think about

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the top -tier New York executives who didn't

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want to live in one of those cookie -cutter,

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livy towns. They wanted something more. They

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wanted the estate. They wanted the gentleman's

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farm out in Connecticut or maybe a converted

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barn in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. It was about

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creating a buffer. So, originally, the excerpt

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was a status symbol. It was the VIP section of

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living. Precisely. It was for the urban elite

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who had the time and, more importantly, the money.

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To handle that long commute from the country,

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it was all about exclusion. So you moved there

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to get away from the masses in the city. And

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the new masses in the suburbs. It was a double

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retreat. But looking at the sources we have now,

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that definition just feels, it feels incomplete.

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I mean, sure, you still have wealthy people living

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in the woods, but the excerpts we're talking

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about in the 21st century seem like a totally

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different phenomenon. They've absolutely evolved.

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The term has expanded so much. Today, excerpts

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are not just for the wealthy. In fact, many of

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them include what our sources call extra -urban

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districts that might actually be... It's economically

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underdeveloped. Underdeveloped in what way? Like

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no jobs? It's more about infrastructure. Yeah.

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Public transit, for example, if you live in a

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classic 1950s suburb, you probably have a train

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station, maybe a bus line that can get you into

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the city. Right. There's a connection. There's

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a connection. In the modern exurb, you are often

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in a total transit desert. You might have found

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more affordable housing, which is a huge driver

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for why people move there. But you are paying

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for that affordability with your time. You are

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driving. The sources also keep using this phrase

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bedroom town. And I have to say that phrase always

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depresses me a little. It is a bit bleak, isn't

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it? It really is. It implies you're just, you

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know, storing your body there at night. Well,

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that's the economic reality for a lot of these

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places. They're defined as agglomerations of

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housing and jobs outside the municipal boundaries.

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But for a very long time, that jobs part was

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basically missing. It was just the housing part.

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It was just housing. You sleep there, you wake

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up, you get in your car and you leave. The community

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itself is basically empty from 8 a .m. to 6 p

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.m. So let's try to visualize the density because

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I think that's the hardest part for people to

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really grasp if they haven't seen it up close.

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The sources bring up Loudoun County in Virginia

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as like the poster child for this. Loudoun is

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the perfect example because you can literally

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watch the timeline of American development by

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just driving west from Washington, D .C. How

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so? You start in Arlington, which is dense. It's

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urban. Then you drive through Fairfax County,

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which is the quintessential sprawling suburb.

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And then you cross the county line into Loudoun.

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And everything changes. And what does that look

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like on the ground? Is it like hitting a wall?

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It's not a wall. It's a gradient. It's a slow

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fade. You just start to notice the subdivisions

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are getting further apart. The roads might go

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from four lanes down to two, but they're still

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jammed with rush hour traffic. And you see the

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rural aesthetics starting to pop up, the white

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fences, the horse farms. But the economy, the

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reason people are there, is still entirely tethered

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to the city they just drove out of. So, OK, we've

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got a vibe check. It feels open, but it acts

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urban. But how do we actually measure this? Because

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if I'm a sociologist or a planner, I can't just

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go, well, it has a vibe. No, you need hard data.

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You need a formula. And for that, we have to

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turn to the Brookings Institution. In 2006, they

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published this report, Finding Exurbia. The Bible.

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The Bible. And this is a really pivotal moment

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because they finally gave us a checklist. They

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stopped just describing the vibe and started

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measuring census tracts. And they came up with

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three rules. If a place meets these three criteria,

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it's officially an exurb. Let's break them down.

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Rule number one, economic connection. This is

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the big one. It's the most critical rule. You

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can't just be a small town in the middle of nowhere.

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Right. If you live in a village, say, three hours

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from a major city, and everyone who lives there

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works at the local mill or the school or the

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hospital, you are rural. You're a self -contained

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community. You don't need the city to survive.

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Exactly. To be an exurb, you absolutely must

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have that commuter tether. The source material

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really emphasizes this. While the housing is

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out in the sticks, the money, the paychecks are

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coming from the metropolis. So if a blizzard

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closes the highway for three days, the exurbs

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economy grinds to a halt. In an economic sense,

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yes. The entire value proposition of those homes

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is dictated by their access, however difficult,

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to the urban job market. Okay, that makes sense.

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Rule number two, low housing density. And the

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source gets super specific here. It says you

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have to be in the bottom third of all census

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tracts in the metro area when it comes to density.

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Right. And what that translated to, using the

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year 2000 data they had, was a minimum of about

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2 .6 acres per resident. Whoa, wait. 2 .6 acres

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per resident? Per resident, yeah. Let's pause

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on that for a second. That is... That's massive.

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It is an enormous amount of space. So if you're

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a family of four, you are statistically occupying

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over 10 acres of land. On average, across that

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census tract, yes. Now, that number would include

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things like common areas, undeveloped woods,

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roads, that sort of thing. But the feeling of

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the place is absolutely defined by that space.

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But that's my question. 2 .6 acres is kind of

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an awkward size, isn't it? It's way too big to

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mow with a regular push mower. Oh, yeah. But

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it's too small to be a real functioning farm.

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That's the uncanny valley we were talking about

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at the start. It's what landscape architects

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sometimes call too big to brood, too small to

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farm. I have never heard that before. You can't

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run a commercial agricultural operation on it,

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but it creates a huge amount of maintenance.

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It promotes a very specific lifestyle. The person

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on the writing mower for four hours every Saturday.

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That's the one. It's land for the sake of having

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land, not for production. Which brings us to

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the third rule. Rule number three, population

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growth. This is key. The exurb has to be growing

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and not just growing, but growing faster than

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the average for the central metropolitan area.

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So it's not a sleepy, static country town. Exactly.

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That's what distinguishes it from a dying rural

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town. A rural town might have low density and

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even a few commuters. But if its population is

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shrinking or just flat, it's not an exurb. The

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exurb is the frontier. It's actively expanding.

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It is eating the landscape. It's the active front

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of the city's expansion. Correct. It's where

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the bulldozers are working. So why? We have the

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definition. We have the checklist. But I really

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want to understand the motivation. The commute

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sounds like a nightmare. The yard maintenance

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sounds exhausting. Why do people choose to move

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to the absolute edge? Well, the Canadian research

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we have from 2022 touches on this. They define

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it a bit differently. They look for a gross population

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density of less than 150 people per square kilometer.

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But the key element is the same. The commute.

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The commute. Their definition requires that more

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than 50 percent of the workers living there are

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commuting into the core metro area. More than

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half. That's a staggering number. It's huge.

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And it implies very conscious tradeoff. People

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are trading their time for space. They're trading

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the convenience and culture of the city for the

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perceived safety, the quiet and the status of

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having that country life, even if that country

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life is a little bit synthetic. Suburban style

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development on rural development land. That's

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a direct quote from one of the sources. It's

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a simulation of the rural experience. It's wanting

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to have your cake and eat it, too. But the bakery

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where they make the cake is a two hour drive

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away. Now, I think a lot of Americans, and I

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am definitely guilty of this, we tend to think

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that we invented sprawl. We look at places like

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Los Angeles or Phoenix and just assume this is

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a uniquely American problem, you know, caused

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by cheap gas and a love for pickup trucks. But

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the sources we have suggest that's just not true.

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Not at all. It is absolutely a global phenomena.

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Now, the specific flavor of it changes from place

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to place. But the underlying dynamic, the city

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expanding into its hinterland, that's happening

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everywhere. So let's look at China, because the

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scale of everything in China just, it consistently

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breaks my brain. It breaks everyone's brain.

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It's hard to comprehend. We have this study on

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the city of Xiamen, and they break down the city

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into these density tiers. In the urban core,

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the density is over 51 persons per hectare. Which

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is very dense. That's high -rise apartment living.

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That's what we'd picture as a major city. Right.

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Then you move out to the suburban zone, and it

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drops to about 8 persons per hectare. But then

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you get to the exurban areas, and the definition

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is anything less than 8 persons per hectare.

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Okay. Now notice the difference there. In the

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U .S., the Brookings definition was based on

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2 .6 acres per person. In China, their definition

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of low -density exurbia is anything under 8 people

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per hectare. A hectare is about 2 .5 acres. So

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their empty exurbs are still significantly denser

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than most American suburbs. Wait, say that again?

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Their exurb is denser than our suburb? In many

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cases, yes. If you dropped a typical American

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exurb and subdivision into the outskirts of Xiamen,

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they would probably classify it as, you know,

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a park or uninhabited wilderness. That's wild.

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It is. But for the Chinese urban planners, that

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psychological drop -off from 51 people per hectare

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down to eight is the same dynamic. It marks that

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transition from the known city to the developing

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edge. There's a really interesting detail in

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that Chinese source material, something about

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rural revitalization. It specifically mentions

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the problem of vacant houses in rural exurbs.

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Ah, yes, the hollow village phenomenon. Explain

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that, because... If the exurb is supposed to

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be this hotspot of growth, why on earth are there

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vacant houses? It's because development in China

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can happen by government decree or through these

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massive waves of speculation. It moves incredibly

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fast. You might build the roads, build the high

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rises, build the houses. But the people don't

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come. Or they don't stay. If the jobs aren't

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quite there yet, or if that economic tether to

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the main city isn't strong enough or convenient

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enough, people will leave. Or, more commonly,

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the younger generation will move into the true

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city for better opportunities, leaving that exurban

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village to slowly hollow out. So the government

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has to step in to fix it. Well, the source mentions

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this rural revitalization strategy. It's a form

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of state intervention to try and pump life back

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into these fringe areas to prevent them from

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becoming modern ghost towns. Right. It's a reminder

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that exurbs aren't these inevitable success stories.

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They're fragile. They can fail. Speaking of failing

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exurbs. or at least excerpts with a really strange

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trajectory. We have to talk about Russia. Rublyovka.

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Just the name of it, it sounds expensive. Rublyovka.

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It is the Beverly Hills of Moscow, but probably

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with higher walls and a lot more security guards

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with guns. The source calls it Moscow's poshest

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neighborhood. And this lines up perfectly with

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that original 1955 Spiktorsky definition we started

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with. It's the wealthy fleeing the city. It's

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the classic oligarch sanctuary. Back in the 90s

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and the early 2000s, if you made a fortune in

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that post -Soviet boom, you moved to Rublyovka,

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you built a palace, and I mean sometimes literally

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a palace behind a 20 -foot fence, it was the

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ultimate status symbol. But the source we're

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looking at has a twist. It describes it as shockingly

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empty as money pours out of Russia. And this

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is what's so fascinating. The excerpt in this

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case is acting as a kind of barometer for geopolitical

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stability. What do you mean by that? When the

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country's elite feel secure and stable, They

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invest in the exurb. They build their roots,

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their legacy estates. But when they feel unsafe,

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you know, because of sanctions, war, political

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instability, they flee. But they don't just move

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back to an apartment in Moscow. No, they flee

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the country entirely. They move their money and

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themselves to Dubai or to London or wherever

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they can. So Rublyovka becomes this museum of

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fleeing capital. That's a perfect way to put

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it. You have these massive opulent estates that

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are just sitting dark. It's the prosperous ring

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turning into a ghost ring. It completely challenges

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that idea from the Brookings report that an exer

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must be a place of growth. It can also be a place

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of rapid flight. OK, let's pivot from there to

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India, to Mumbai, because this seems to be a

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totally different driver. In Russia, it's oligarchs

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fleeing. In China, it's massive state planning.

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In India, it sounds like it's all about the car.

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The rapidly motorizing middle class. That is

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the key phrase from the study we have on Mumbai.

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Historically, major Indian cities have been incredibly

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dense, right? Yeah. Very transit -oriented or

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walkable, just out of sheer necessity. Absolutely.

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For centuries, that was the only way they could

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function. But as the middle class grows and gains

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disposable income, what is the first major purchase

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they want to make? A car? A private vehicle.

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It represents status, comfort, freedom, air conditioning,

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and the heat. And as soon as you have a car,

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the entire geometry of your life changes. You

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are no longer tethered to the train station or

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the bus stop. You can drive until you qualify

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for a mortgage. You drive until you qualify.

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That's exactly right. The excerpt in a place

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like Mumbai is being birthed by the traffic jam.

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People are willing to move further and further

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out because they finally can. They're accepting

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that brutal commute to get the housing and the

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space they desire. So it's almost like they're

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mimicking the American suburban trajectory from

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the 1950s. They are, but it's happening at a

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much higher density and with, you know, far more

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chaotic and underdeveloped infrastructure. It's

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the same pattern just playing out in a very different

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context. It's just amazing to see that same core

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dynamic, that tradeoff between time and space,

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the reliance on the commute playing out in such

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radically different cultures. It seems to be

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a human universal. We want space, but we need

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the city's money. But here's the problem. And

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this is where we get into the friction section

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of our deep dive. That space that everyone wants.

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It isn't empty. No, it's not. When we look at

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a map and we see a big green patch, our brain

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just registers empty. But it's not empty. It's

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an ecosystem. And nature. Nature has opinions

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about us moving in. Checkles. It has very strong

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opinions. The sources talk about the ecological

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interface. Let's start with the invisible stuff

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before we get to the bears. Let's talk about

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carbon. Right. So this study from Zyman specifically

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focuses on vegetation carbon storage. And I feel

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like a lot of people have this misconception.

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They think, well, I'm moving to the exurbs. I'm

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going to have a big lawn. I'll have some trees.

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I'm helping the environment. That is the common

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and very mistaken belief. But you can't just

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look at what's there now. You have to compare

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it to the baseline, to what was there before

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the subdivision was built. If that land was a

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mature forest or a wetland, it was acting as

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a massive carbon sponge. It was aggressively

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pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere and locking

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it away in the soil and the biomass. But when

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you build an XSERV on it... When you subdivide

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it, even if you keep some of the big trees for

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aesthetics, you are fundamentally disrupting

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that entire system. You're sealing huge patches

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of soil with asphalt driveways and foundations.

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You're replacing the complex carbon -rich undergrowth

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with a simple monoculture lawn. And a lawn just

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doesn't sequester carbon in the same way a forest

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does? Not even close. And that's before you even

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add the massive carbon cost of every single resident

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commuting an hour each way to work in a gasoline

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-powered car. So environmentally, the exurb is

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kind of the worst of both worlds. In many ways,

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yes. You lose the density and efficiency of the

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city, and you degrade the ecological function

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of the country. But carbon is abstract. You know,

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you can't see it. You know what you can see.

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I have a feeling I know where this is going.

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Bear -ubs. The New Jersey conflict. This story

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from New York Magazine from 2007 is just, it's

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incredible. The headline is, Dog vs. Bear Release

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the Hounds. Sounds like something from a satirical

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newspaper. It totally does. Yeah. But it's real.

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So set the scene for us. Why New Jersey, of all

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places? Well, New Jersey is the most densely

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populated state in the entire country, but the

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northwestern corners of the state is actually

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very rugged and forested. It's part of the Appalachian

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Highlands. So prime bear country. Prime black

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bear habitat. And as the exurbs pushed further

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and further out from New York City, pushing into

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those hills places that used to be just hunting

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cabins and deep woods, they ran right into the

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bear's living room. And the people moving into

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these new homes, they're not exactly grizzled

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mountain folk. Not at all. They are commuters

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from the city and the suburbs. They're meeting

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there for the aesthetic of nature. They want

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to sit on their deck and watch a deer frolicking

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in the morning mist. They want Bambi. They want

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Bambi. What they get is a 400 -pound bear. that

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has figured out how to demolish their $300 specialized

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bear -proof trash can and is now sniffing around

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their back door, terrifying their golden retriever.

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And this creates a massive political conflict,

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I assume. Huge. On one side, you have the new

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residents screaming at the town council, do something

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about the bears, it's not safe. And on the other

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side, you have conservationists and, frankly,

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the bears themselves, saying, you moved into

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the woods, what on earth did you expect to find

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here? So what was the solution mentioned in the

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article, this release the hounds idea? They were

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bringing in a specialized breed of dog called

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Corellian bear dogs. Okay. These are fearless

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dogs that are bred specifically to harass bears,

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to bark at them, nip at them, and basically chase

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them away from human areas without actually killing

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them. It's a form of non -lethal aversion conditioning.

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So we are literally deploying tactical special

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ops dogs to enforce zoning laws between humans

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and nature. It just perfectly highlights the

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fundamental absurdity and the conflict of the

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excerpt. We want the beautiful backdrop of nature.

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but we want it completely sanitized for our convenience.

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We want the view from the cabin, but we don't

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want the wildlife that comes with the cabin.

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Exactly. We want the Disneyfication of the wild.

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And it's not just bears in New Jersey. It's the

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catastrophic wildfire risks in the exurbs of

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California. It's the water usage debates in the

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exurbs of Arizona. We are imposing a high -intensity,

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resource -heavy lifestyle on landscapes that

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simply cannot support it. There's another kind

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of friction here, though. It's not just man versus

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nature. It's also man versus himself or maybe

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man versus loneliness. It's social isolation

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component. Yeah. We talked about how these places

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are often called bedroom towns. But let's dig

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into what that actually feels like day to day.

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The source material notes the limited urban nature

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for social interaction. Think about a traditional

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city neighborhood. You walk to the corner store.

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You bump into your neighbor on the stoop. You

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see other parents at the playground. There are

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what sociologists call third places. Like the

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coffee shop, the bar, the library. Exactly. Neutral

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grounds that aren't home or work, where community

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just sort of happens organically. But in the

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excerpt, with those 2 .6 acre lots. You don't

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bump into anyone. Your entire life is mediated

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by your car. You get in your car, you're attached

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garage, you drive to work, you park in a parking

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garage, you drive home, you pull back into your

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garage and door closes. If you see your neighbor,

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it's through a windshield as they drive by. One

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of our sources lists the TV show South Park in

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its see also section, which I thought was hilarious

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at first. But actually, it's surprisingly relevant.

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South Park is this isolated mountain town. It's

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cut off from everything. It perfectly represents

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that island mentality. When you live in a place

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that is so geographically removed, you can develop

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a very insular, unique culture. But the risk

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in the modern exurb is that you get the isolation

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without the community. In South Park, for all

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its weirdness, everyone knows everyone. Right.

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In a brand new exurban subdivision, you might

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be totally isolated and completely anonymous.

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That sounds like a potential recipe for a mental

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health crisis. It can be. It's particularly difficult

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for demographics who can't drive, teenagers for

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one, and the elderly. If you can't get in the

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car, you're effectively trapped. You become a

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prisoner of the subdivision. So if the exurb

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is ecologically damaging, socially isolating,

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and eternally prone to bear attacks, why is it

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still seen as the future? Or is it the future?

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That is the multi -trillion dollar question,

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isn't it? And how do we even track it accurately?

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Well, the sources do mention that we're moving

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beyond that old census data. We now have things

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like the Oak Ridge National Laboratory land scan

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data. And GIS geographic information systems.

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This is a huge leap forward. We can now use high

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-resolution satellite imagery to literally watch

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the exurbs spread across the landscape in near

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real time. So we can see the lights at night

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expanding outward. We can see the lights. We

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can track the heat signature of the land changing

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as forests and fields become asphalt and rooftops.

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We are watching it happen from space. We're watching

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the agglomerations spread. That's the word the

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scientists use. It almost sounds like a medical

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condition. It does sound a bit like a disease,

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doesn't it? It does. But in the northeastern

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U .S., in that megalopolis from Boston to D .C.,

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The sources mention something very specific.

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This isn't just sprawl spreading into empty space.

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No, that's a really important distinction. Out

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west, you might be building an exurb on what

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was previously empty desert. In the northeast

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or in much of Europe, you are building on top

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of centuries of history. You're not just building

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a subdivision. You're expanding into and around

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towns that have been there for 300 years. And

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the exurb effectively consumes that pre -existing

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rural structure. The old farming village with

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the white church steeple. It gets surrounded

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by cul -de -sacs. The old general store on the

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town green. It becomes a boutique selling expensive

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scented candles. to the new commuter residents.

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So the XRV acts as a gentrifier of the rural

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landscape itself. It's a complete cultural and

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economic transformation. The place might still

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look like a historic village, but it now functions

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like a wealthy distant suburb. The original character

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gets hollowed out. Okay, wow. We have covered

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a lot of ground here. We've gone from August

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Pektorski's 1955 elites to Chinese ghost villages

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and tactical bear dogs. It's been a wild ride

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out to the fringe. It really has. Let's try to

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summarize this whole thing. If you had to boil

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it down, what is the story of the excerpt? I

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think the story is still that word interface.

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It started as a luxury escape for the very few.

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It evolved into a mass market solution for the

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demand for cheap, spacious housing. But no matter

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its form, it remains the friction point. It is

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the place where the definition urban is in a

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constant active battle with the reality of rural.

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It's the active edge of the city. It's the active

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edge. And I think what's most important to remember

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is that it's incredibly fragile. That's the thought

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I want to end on. Because we saw that ghost town

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link in the source material. We talked about

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those massive Russian mansions sitting empty.

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We have to ask ourselves, is any of this permanent?

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Right. The entire exurban experiment depends

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completely on that tether we talked about. It

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relies on cheap gas, on the personal automobile,

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and on the high -paying job waiting in the city

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center. So what happens if that tether breaks?

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If energy costs skyrocket? And that two -hour

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commute becomes financially impossible. What

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if the economy shifts or if remote work completely

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changes the need to be physically near the city

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at all? Does that 2 .6 -acre lot suddenly become

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a massive liability instead of an asset? Does

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it revert to the wild? Does the forest start

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to creep back in and reclaim the lawns? In the

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end, does the bear win? Chuckles. In the long

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run, the bear usually wins. That is a haunting

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thought to leave you with next time you're on

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that drive. and you pass a brand new subdivision

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in the middle of a cornfield. Are you looking

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at the future, or are you looking at a future

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ruin? Only time, and I suppose the bears will

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tell. Thank you for taking this drive out to

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the edge with us. It was a pleasure. We'll see

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you on the next deep dive.
