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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today, we are

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not just talking about money. We are talking

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about what might be the single most expensive

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private education in the history of Wall Street.

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That's a great way to put it. We're going to

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unpack a story that involves, and I don't use

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this term lightly, the absolute smartest people

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on the planet. Truly. I mean, certified geniuses.

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And these certified geniuses managed to effectively

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set a pile of $4 .5 billion on fire. And not

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over a decade, but in a matter of, what, less

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than four months. It's the ultimate Icarus story.

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You know, it has absolutely everything, hubris,

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genius, what seemed like unlimited capital and

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just a catastrophic ending that almost, and this

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is not an exaggeration, almost took down the

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entire global economy. We are talking, of course,

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about long term capital management or LTCM, as

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everyone came to know it. And before we really

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get into the weeds here, I just want to frame

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the stakes for everyone listening. This is important.

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This isn't just a story about some hedge fund

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that had a bad quarter. This is a story about

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a fund that became so big, so leveraged and so

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interconnected that when it started to crack

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in 1998, the Federal Reserve, we're talking the

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Central Bank of the United States, had to step

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in, had to orchestrate a bailout. They were genuinely

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terrified that if LTCM fell, it would cause a

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complete systemic freeze. And that's not hyperbole.

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I mean, the real fear, the thing that kept the

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Fed chairman up at night was that the actual

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plumbing of the global financial system would

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just stop working. So if this one fund in Greenwich,

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Connecticut, went under, ATMs might stop dispensing

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cash. Corporate payrolls might bounce. I mean,

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that was the level of panic we're talking about.

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A true meltdown. Okay. So our mission today is

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to reverse engineer this disaster. We're going

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to look at the dream team they assembled. We'll

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get into the... the specific trading strategies

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that made them billions in the first place. And

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then the fatal flaw, the mathematical blind spot

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in their risk models that they just couldn't

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see. And then, yeah, the minute by minute panic

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of the bailout. We've got a massive stack of

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sources here. Biographies, Fed transcripts, trading

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logs, academic autopsies of the crash. I mean,

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this is one of the most studied financial events

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in history. It is. And I think, you know, if

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there's one big theme to look out for today,

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it's the difference between intelligence and

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wisdom. Oh, that's good. You're going to hear

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about Nobel Prize winners. You're going to hear

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about guys who literally invented the math that.

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you know, Wall Street still uses today. They

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were so incredibly intelligent. Beyond intelligent.

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But as we'll see, they lacked a certain kind

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of street smarts, a survival instinct. They mistook

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the map for the territory. I love that. The map

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is not the territory. Let's start at the very

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beginning then, the assembly of this team. Because

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like you said, this wasn't just some guys in

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a garage with a Bloomberg terminal. This was

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the 1927 Yankees of finance. I really was. And

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it all starts with one man, John Merriweather.

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Who is this guy? John Merriweather is or was

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a legend. Before LTCM, he was at Salomon Brothers

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in the 1980s. Now, if you've ever read Michael

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Lewis's book, Liar's Poker. Oh, a classic. You

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know the culture of Salomon at that time. It

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was aggressive. It was loud. It was full of,

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to use their terminology, big swinging dicks.

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Right. A pure alpha male environment. Absolutely.

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But Merriweather was. He was different. He was

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the exception to the rule. How so? He was quiet.

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He was cerebral, you know. He wasn't the guy

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screaming across the trading floor, throwing

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phones. He was the guy staring at the numbers,

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seeing these tiny patterns that nobody else saw.

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And he ran the bond arbitrage desk, right? He

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did. Yeah. And to give you a sense of just how

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important he was to that firm, in the late 80s

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and early 90s, Merriweather's specific group,

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just his desk, was reportedly responsible for

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something like 80 to 100 % of Salomon Brothers'

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total global earnings. Wait, wait, say that again?

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80 to 100 %? Of the entire bank's profits. That

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is just, that's wild. One desk was basically

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carrying a global investment bank on its back?

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Exactly. He was the golden deuce. Which is why

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it was such a big deal when he left in 1991.

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There was a trading scandal involving treasury

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auctions. Now, it wasn't something he did personally,

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mind you, but it happened on his watch. So he

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took the fall for it? He took responsibility,

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yes. And he resigned. But his reputation was

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so pristine, so legendary, that when he decided

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to start his own shop a couple of years later

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in 93, people were practically throwing money

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at him. They were lining up. But he didn't just

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bring his old traders with him, did he? This

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is where the story gets really interesting. He

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went out and recruited the academic heavyweights.

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This was his brilliant move. He decided to bridge

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the gap between the ivory tower of academia and

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the dirty fingernails world of the trading floor.

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He recruited the intellectual giants of finance.

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Specifically, Myron Scholes and Robert C. Merton.

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Yep. Now, for anyone who hasn't suffered through

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a university finance degree, those names are,

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well, they're effectively gods. These are the

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Scholes and Merton you read about in the textbooks.

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Precisely. They, along with a third academic

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named Fisher Black, created the Black -Scholes

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model. This is the formula, the math, that allows

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you to accurately price stock options. Before

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them, Pricing a derivative was. It was a guessing

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game. It was all intuition and gut feeling. They

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turned it into a science. They turned finance

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into physics. That's the key. They gave it the

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veneer of scientific certainty. And just to underscore

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how big a deal this was, these two guys, Scholes

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and Merton, they won the Nobel Prize in economics

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in 1997. While they were working at LTCM. Right.

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So imagine your potential investor. You're sitting

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in a meeting and the pitch is, we have the greatest

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bond trader of his generation, John Merriweather.

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And on our board, we have the guys who literally

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wrote the laws of physics for the market. Oh,

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and by the way, they just won the Nobel Prize.

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It created this aura of infallibility. availability,

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didn't it? It wasn't gambling anymore. It was

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science. They weren't betting on gut instinct.

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They were harvesting what they saw as mathematical

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certainties. And the structure of the fund itself,

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it sort of reflected that exclusivity, that arrogance

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almost. They weren't on Wall Street. No. They

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set up in Greenwich, Connecticut. They wanted

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to be physically removed from the noise and the

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emotion, the panic of New York City. It was designed

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to be very academic, very quiet, just supercomputers

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and silence. And very unregulated. Oh, absolutely.

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They used an exemption in the Investment Company

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Act of 1940. Basically, if you only take money

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from highly sophisticated, very wealthy investors,

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you don't have to tell the SEC, the regulator,

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much of anything. Which means they could be secretive.

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Extremely. They told their investors absolutely

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nothing about what they were actually trading.

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It was a total black box. The deal was, you give

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us the money, we give you incredible returns,

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and you do not ask how the sausage is made. And

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people lined up for that deal. They couldn't

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get the money in fast enough. By the time they

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launched in February 1994, they had amassed just

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over $1 .01 billion in capital. For a hedge fund

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launch at that time, that was a massive, massive

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number. Okay, so the dream team is assembled.

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They have the capital. They have the Nobel Prize

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winning brains. Now we need to understand the

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machine. How did they actually make those billions?

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Because the phrase bond arbitrage sounds incredibly

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boring. It does, doesn't it? But clearly it was

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incredibly lucrative. It's lucrative if you do

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it at their scale. The core strategy was something

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called convergence trading. All right, lay it

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on me. Simple terms. What is that? The fundamental

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belief of LTCM was that markets are efficient

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eventually, but in the short term, they can be

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inefficient. So things get out of whack for a

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little while. Exactly. Sometimes two things that

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are essentially the same that should have the

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same price, they trade at slightly different

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prices. Yeah. Maybe due to a temporary supply

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and demand quirk or a liquidity issue in the

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market. A convergence trade is a bet that eventually

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those prices will converge. They'll snap back

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together. OK, can we use the old versus new bond

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trade? I saw that in the notes and it seems like

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it was their bread and butter. It absolutely

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was. It's the perfect example. So think about

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U .S. Treasury bonds. The U .S. government issues

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30 year bonds all the time. When a brand new

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30 -year bond is issued, it's called the on -the

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-run bond. It's a shiny new thing. It's the shiny

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new thing. It's incredibly liquid. Everybody

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wants it. Pension funds, foreign governments,

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other banks, they all want the newest, most actively

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traded issue. It's like the new iPhone. Everyone

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pays a little premium for the new iPhone, even

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if last year's model is basically the same. That's

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a perfect analogy. Because it's the new iPhone,

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people are willing to pay a tiny, tiny premium

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for it. Now, you look at a bond that was issued,

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say, three months ago. Right. It's now technically

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a 29 and three quarter year bond. Right. The

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cash flows from these two bonds, I mean, they're

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almost identical. The credit risk is identical.

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It's the U .S. government. They're going to pay

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you back. So it's basically the same product.

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It is. But that older bond, it's harder to trade.

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It's less liquid. It's called off the run. And

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because of that, it trades just a little bit

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cheaper. So you have two things that are worth

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almost exactly the same, but one is expensive

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and one is cheap just because of liquidity. Correct.

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So LTCM's computer models would scan the market

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and spot this tiny discrepancy and they'd make

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a trade. They would short the expensive new bond

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betting. Its price would go down relative to

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the other. And they would simultaneously buy

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the cheap old bond, betting its price would go

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up. And the key is... They didn't care if the

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overall market went up or down. Didn't matter

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at all. Interest rates could go to the moon or

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to zero. All they needed was for the gap, the

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spread between those two bonds to close. They

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just needed the prices to converge. Because eventually

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the new bond becomes an old bond. Exactly. The

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moment the Treasury holds its next auction and

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issues an even newer bond, the on the run becomes

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off the run. The premium evaporates. The spread

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closes. It's a mathematical certainty, or so

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they thought. OK, but here's the catch, right?

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The difference in price between those two bonds,

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the spread, it can't be very big. We're talking

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pennies, aren't we? Or like fractions of pennies.

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We call them basis points. And yes, it is tiny.

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You are literally picking up nickels. If you

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or I did this with $1 ,000, we might make enough

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money to buy a stick of gum. It's very low risk.

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but it's also very, very low return. That's the

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problem with pure arbitrage. So how on earth

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do you generate 40 % annual returns from a stick

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-of -gum strategy? One word. Leverage. Massive,

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mind -boggling leverage. This is the scary part

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of the story. This is the fuel that they poured

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on the fire. Since the spreads were so small,

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like you said, like picking up nickels, they

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figured they had to use a bulldozer to pick up

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enough of them to make it worthwhile. And a bulldozer

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means borrowed money. Lots and lots of borrowed

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money. They borrowed from every bank on Wall

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Street to amplify their bets. I'm looking at

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the numbers here for the start of 1998. They

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had about $4 .7 billion in their own equity,

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their own capital, which is a lot of money. A

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huge amount. But they had borrowed over $124

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.5 billion. It's just an insane number. That

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is a debt -to -equity ratio of over 25 to 1.

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For every single dollar of their own money in

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the fund, they were playing with $25 of someone

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else's money. And that's just the stuff on the

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balance sheet, right? That's what they reported.

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What about the derivatives? Yeah, that's the

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shadow exposure. The really scary part off the

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balance sheet, they had positions, mostly things

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like interest rate swaps with a notional value

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of one point to five trillion dollars. Trillion

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with a T. I mean, it's hard to even wrap your

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head around a number that big. It is. To put

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it in perspective, they took an equity base of

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less than. $5 billion and turned it into a market

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footprint that rivaled the GDP of a country like

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Spain or Canada. It was immense. And for a while,

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it worked beautifully. Until it didn't. Until

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it didn't. Because leverage cuts both ways. If

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you're leveraged 25 to 1, a tiny 4 % drop in

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the value of your assets wipes out 100 % of your

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equity. You're at zero. Gone. And that's where

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that famous analogy comes from, isn't it? The

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strategy was compared to picking up nickels in

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front of a bulldozer. Yes. You make small, reliable

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gains day after day after day. But there is a

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very small, non -zero chance that one day the

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bulldozer will move and you'll get completely

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flattened. But for the first three years, from

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94 to 97, that bulldozer was parked in the garage.

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They were just crushing it. They were the kings

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of the world. I mean, look at the early returns.

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Year one. 21 % after fees. Year two, 43%. Year

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three, 41%. Unbelievable numbers. They were the

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envy of all of Wall Street. They felt completely

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untouchable. So what changed? We get to 1997

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and the seeds of destruction start to get planted.

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Things start to look a little different. Well,

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the first problem was, ironically, their own

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success. Arbitrage opportunities are basically

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market inefficiencies. Once a smart person finds

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an inefficiency and exploits it, it tends to,

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well... disappear. Because other people copped

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to you. Exactly. LTCM was so successful, so famous,

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that copycats started showing up. Other firms,

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other banks, they all said, hey, we can do that

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on the run, off the run bond trade too. So suddenly

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there were too many people trying to pick up

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the same nickels. That's exactly. And when that

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happens, the spreads get tighter and tighter.

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The opportunities get smaller. And you can see

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it in their numbers. In 1997, their returns dropped

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to 17 percent. Which for you or me, 17 percent

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is a fantastic year. We'd be thrilled. We'd be

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retiring. But for the geniuses in Greenwich charging

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these massive fees. It was an embarrassment.

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It was a failure. It barely beat the S &amp;P 500

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stock market index that year. They were under.

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immense pressure, a lot of it internal, to keep

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the magic alive, to keep posting those 40 % numbers.

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And this leads to something called style drift.

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I love this term because it sounds so harmless,

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so academic, but it's actually incredibly dangerous.

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It's a beginning of the end for so many great

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investors. Style drift is what happens when you

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move away from your core competency, your area

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of expertise, because the returns just aren't

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there anymore. You start betting on things you

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don't understand quite as well. LTCM was the

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king of fixed income arbitrage. They knew U .S.

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bonds, European bonds, Japanese bonds, inside

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and out. But suddenly they're looking at other

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stuff. That's right. They started moving into

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equity volatility, merger arbitrage, and... this

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is the crucial part, emerging market debt. They

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were buying Russian bonds, Brazilian bonds, pie

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bonds. And this was a source of internal debate.

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Myron Scholes himself, the Nobel winner, actually

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warned the other partners about this. He said,

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and this is a quote, that they had no informational

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advantage in trading things like the Norwegian

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krona. But they did it anyway. They did. They

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needed the yield. They felt their models, their

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mathematical approach could be applied to anything.

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If the math works for U .S. treasuries, why wouldn't

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it work for a currency in Norway? It shows a

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certain level of hubris, a belief that math trumps

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local knowledge. It's pure hubris. And there's

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another story from this period, this UBS tax

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scheme, that I think really shows their mindset.

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It's a clear sign that they were getting too

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cute for their own good. What was that about?

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It was financial engineering at its absolute

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peak. The partners wanted to treat their income

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as long term capital gains to pay a lower tax

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rate, about 20 percent versus almost 40 percent

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for ordinary income. So they set up this incredibly

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complex call option structure with the Swiss

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Bank UBS. I'm not even going to pretend to understand

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the details. The details are a nightmare. But

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the takeaway is that they were using their immense

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brainpower not to find value in the market, but

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to game the tax code. It just showed a belief

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that they could outsmart any system, whether

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it was the market. Or the IRS. And it was a distraction.

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A huge one. And it brought UBS way too close

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to them, which would come back to haunt the bank

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later. Before we get to the final crash, we have

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to talk about one specific trade that went wrong.

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The Royal Dutch Shell trade. This one feels like

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the perfect microcosm of their entire model failing.

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It is the classic example. So Royal Dutch and

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Shell were at the time a dual listed company.

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Basically two different stocks, but for the same

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underlying company. The economic value of the

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whole enterprise was split 60 -40 between them.

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So theoretically, the two stocks should move

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in perfect lockstep. They should, right. If the

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company makes more money, both stocks should

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go up by roughly the same percentage. But for

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historical reasons, they didn't. They traded

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at different prices. Royal Dutch consistently

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traded at a premium to show. And LTCM looked

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at this and their model screamed inefficiency.

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Their model screamed, this is wrong. Matt says

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these prices should converge. So they put on

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a massive trade. They bet $2 .3 billion that

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the spread would close. They shorted the expensive

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Royal Dutch stock and went long the cheaper shell

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stock. A classic convergence trade. What happened?

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The market decided it didn't care about their

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math. The premium didn't shrink. It widened.

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Dramatically. It went from about 8 or 10 percent

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to over 22 percent. So the trade went completely

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against them. Completely. And they lost hundreds

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of millions of dollars on that one trade alone.

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It was a brutal lesson. It really is the old

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John Maynard Keynes saying, isn't it? The market

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can remain irrational longer than you can remain

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solvent. Precisely. Their model said, this must

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happen. And reality said, yeah, maybe, but not

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today. And not before you go broke. Which brings

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us to the really big question, the blind spot.

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We talked about the geniuses, the Nobel winners,

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the supercomputers. How did they miss this? How

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are their models so fundamentally wrong? It really

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comes down to one thing, data, or more specifically,

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a lack of it. Their primary risk model was something

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called value at risk or VAR. VAR? I've heard

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of this. Most banks use some version of it. It's

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a model that tries to calculate the maximum amount

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of money you might lose on any given day based

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on historical patterns. Okay, based on historical

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patterns, that sounds reasonable. It is reasonable

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if, and this is a very big if if you use enough

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history, the fatal flaw, the blind spot for LTCM,

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was that their models were largely built on data

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from the previous five years. Five years, that's

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it, from what, 93 to 98? Basically, yes. And

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what was happening in the early to mid -90s,

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it was a generally calm, steadily rising bull

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market period. Right. Not a lot of volatility.

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Very little. By using only five years of data.

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They completely, totally excluded the 1987 stock

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market crash. They excluded the bond market crisis

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of 94. They excluded the 1917 Russian default,

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which might have been a useful thing to have

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in their models. So their models basically assumed

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that a major global crash was impossible because

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it hadn't happened recently. Their models assumed

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it was a statistical impossibility. The historian

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Neil Ferguson had this absolutely brutal quote

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about it. He said, the Nobel Prize winners had

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known plenty of mathematics. but not enough history.

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Ouch. That's a perfect summary. It is. Their

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models predicted that the kind of daily loss

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they eventually suffered in August 98 was what's

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called a 10 -sigma event. It was an event that

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should happen only once in the entire life of

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the universe. And yet it happened on a Tuesday.

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Exactly. Because in the real world, financial

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markets don't follow a perfect bell curve. Real

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life has fat tails. Okay, fat tails. Explain

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that. So think of a normal bell curve. In a normal

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distribution, the tails... The extreme events

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way out on the left and right are very, very

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thin. They almost never happen. In financial

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markets, the tails are fat. Crashes, panics,

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defaults, pandemics. These extreme universe -ending

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events happen way more often than a standard

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statistical model predicts. And LTCM bet their

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entire firm and $120 billion of borrowed money

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that the tails were thin. They bet the farm on

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it. And then in August 1998, they found out just

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how fat those tails could be. The perfect storm

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arrived. And it started in Russia. It started

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in Russia. On August 17th, 1998, the Russian

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government defaults on its domestic debt. Now,

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hold on. Why was this such a massive surprise?

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I mean, governments go broke sometimes, right?

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They do. But they usually default on debt issued

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in a foreign currency, like U .S. dollars. The

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conventional wisdom at the time was that a sovereign

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nation would never default on debt issued in

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its own currency. Because they can just print

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more money to pay it off. Right. It would cause

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hyperinflation, sure, but they wouldn't technically

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default. Russia proved that entire school of

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thought wrong. They just said, nope. We aren't

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paying. And that one event sent shockwaves through

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the entire global system. It triggered a global

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panic. I mean, a real visceral panic. Investors

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everywhere woke up and collectively realized

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the world was a much more dangerous place than

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they thought. And when investors get scared,

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they all do the exact same thing. Flight to quality.

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Flight to quality. They sell anything that looks

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even remotely risky. Emerging market bonds, junk

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bonds, corporate bonds. Anything with hair on

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it. They sold it all. And they poured all of

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that money into the safest, most liquid asset

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on planet Earth. Brand new. On the run U .S.

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Treasury bonds. Wait a minute. That sounds familiar.

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That's the exact asset LTCM was shorting as the

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expensive side of their trade. You nailed it.

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LTCM was fundamentally betting that the spread

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between the risky stuff and the safe stuff would

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shrink. Instead, because of this global panic,

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that spread blew out to historic widths. The

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safe bonds they were short got massively, insanely

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expensive because everyone in the world wanted

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them. And the illiquid risky bonds they owned

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got dirt cheap because no one wanted to touch

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them. So every single one of their core convergence

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trades went the wrong way at the exact same time.

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Every single one. The fundamental assumption

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of their models was that all these different

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trades were uncorrelated. But in a crisis, that's

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not true. In a crisis, the only thing that rises

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is correlation. Everything you own goes down

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and everything you're short goes up. And to make

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matters worse, Salomon Brothers, Merriweather's

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old firm, had just decided to exit the arbitrage

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business right before this in July 98. That was

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just the worst possible luck. It was the nail

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in the coffin. Salomon had a portfolio that looked

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almost exactly like LTCM's. When Salomon started

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to liquidate their positions, they were selling

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all the same things LTCM owned, which pushed

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the prices down even further. faster it was like

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a run on the bank but the bank was the entire

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global bond market it was there was no liquidity

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no bids they were trapped so let's look at the

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damage the numbers are just breathtaking august

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of 1998 their losses were 1 .85 billion dollars

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in one month and it gets worse September starts

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and the equity in the fund just evaporates. It

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drops from $2 .3 billion at the start of the

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month to just $400 million by the third week.

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And remember the leverage. As their equity base

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shrank to almost nothing, their leverage ratio

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just skyrocketed. It went from 25 to 1 to over

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250 to 1. 250 to 1. That's not investing. That's

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not even gambling. That is just pure, desperate

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prayer. And by this point, the sharks were circling.

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The rest of Wall Street could smell blood in

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the water. Other traders knew LTCM was in deep

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trouble. They knew LTCM had to sell their positions

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to meet margin calls. So what do you do? You

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front run them. You sell the same things before

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they do, driving the prices down even more, forcing

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them to take even bigger losses when they finally

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have to sell. It's a brutal, vicious death spiral.

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Yeah. And they were caught right in the middle

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of it. So this is it. The fund is collapsing.

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And now we get to the bailout. And this is the

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part of the story that really highlights how

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dangerous this whole situation had become. It

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wasn't just that some rich guys in Connecticut

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were losing money. The Federal Reserve got involved.

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Why? Systemic risk. That's the phrase you'll

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hear over and over. LTCM was so deeply interconnected

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with every major investment bank on Wall Street.

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They had those trillions of dollars in derivative

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contracts. If LTCM just collapsed overnight and

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defaulted on all those contracts, they would

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have left massive. gaping holes in the balance

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sheets of Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, UBS,

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JP Morgan, everyone. It would have been a domino

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effect. One falls, they all fall. The Fed was

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terrified it would freeze the global financial

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system. That credit would just stop flowing between

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banks, that markets would crash. It was a genuine

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fear of a 1929 style event. So on September 23rd,

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1998, the New York Fed calls a meeting. And it

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wasn't just a meeting, it was a summons. They

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basically locked the heads of all the major banks

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in a conference room at the Federal Reserve Bank

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of New York and said, we have a problem. But

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before that final meeting, there was this incredible

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moment where Warren Buffett almost bought the

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whole thing, right? Yes. This is one of the great

00:24:49.390 --> 00:24:52.849
what -ifs in financial history. Warren Buffett,

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along with Goldman Sachs and AIG, made an offer

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to buy out the partners and take over the fund.

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They offered $250 million for the partners' stake.

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$250 million? They had started the year with

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nearly $2 billion of their own money in there.

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It was pennies on the dollar. It was a total

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humiliation. But it was also the only offer on

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the table. And Buffett, being Buffett, put a

00:25:14.309 --> 00:25:16.670
very specific condition on it. He gave them less

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than one hour to decide. One hour. to decide

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the fate of their entire firm. He didn't want

00:25:22.099 --> 00:25:24.599
to get into a negotiation. He faxed them the

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offer and said, you have until this time to say

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yes or no. But apparently the structure of the

00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.059
offer was complicated, or Merriweather couldn't

00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:36.359
get the legal sign off in time. Whatever the

00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:39.839
reason, the hour lapsed. The deal died. So they

00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.759
were left with the Fed, with the government.

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Well, with the Fed playing chaperone. This is

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an important distinction. The Fed didn't want

00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:49.200
to use public money. This wasn't a taxpayer bailout

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.220
like we saw in 2008. The Fed's role was to act

00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:55.680
as an organizer or maybe an enforcer. They basically

00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.099
told the banks, you guys created this monster

00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:00.920
by lending him all this money. You enabled them.

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So you guys need to fix it. If you don't all

00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:05.500
chip in to save this fund, you are all going

00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:07.779
down with it. That is some serious arm twisting

00:26:07.779 --> 00:26:10.650
from the central bank. It worked. 14 banks agreed

00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:14.329
to inject $3 .6 to $5 billion of new capital

00:26:14.329 --> 00:26:16.630
into the fund to keep it afloat. In exchange,

00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:20.250
they effectively took 90 % ownership of LTCM.

00:26:20.430 --> 00:26:22.809
But not everyone played ball, did they? There

00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:25.190
was a famous holdout. Bear Stearns. Bear Stearns

00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:27.349
declined to participate. They did. They were

00:26:27.349 --> 00:26:29.829
the clearing agent for LTCM, which meant they

00:26:29.829 --> 00:26:32.349
had a lot of exposure already. They refused to

00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:34.470
put any new money into the pot. They essentially

00:26:34.470 --> 00:26:38.440
said, we've got enough risk, thanks. Wow. That

00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.819
is just rich with irony, considering what happened

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.059
to Bear Stearns almost exactly 10 years later

00:26:44.059 --> 00:26:46.339
in 2008. It is. A lot of people on Wall Street

00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:48.319
remembered that moment when Bear Stearns came

00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.500
asking for help in 2008. Let's just say they

00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:53.099
didn't have a lot of friends left in the room.

00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.599
So the banks put the money in. They stabilized

00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.799
the fund. What happened to the partners? The

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.700
dream team. Meriwether, Scholes, Merton. They

00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:06.019
were completely wiped out. They had $1 .9 billion

00:27:06.019 --> 00:27:08.960
of their own personal money invested in the fund.

00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:11.500
All gone. All gone. They were left with a tiny

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:13.819
sliver of equity that was basically worthless,

00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.559
consumed by the debt. They lost their personal

00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.619
fortunes. They lost their reputations. It was

00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:20.740
a total and complete financial ruin for them.

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.119
But the banks, the ones who put up the bailout

00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.539
money, they eventually got paid back. They did.

00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:28.940
And then some. Once the immediate panic subsided

00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:32.160
and that flight to quality reversed, those convergence

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.599
trades actually started to work again. The spreads

00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.880
started to close. The liquidation of the fund

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.660
was orderly. By early 2000, the fund was completely

00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.859
dissolved and the banks got all their money back,

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.960
plus a small profit. So in the end, disaster

00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.480
averted. The system was saved. In the short term,

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.539
yes, the immediate fire was put out. But in the

00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:54.819
long term, no. Maybe not. The solution might

00:27:54.819 --> 00:27:57.019
have planted the seeds for an even bigger crisis

00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:59.720
down the road. Okay, this brings us to the analysis,

00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:03.119
the aftermath. What did we learn from this? Or

00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.559
maybe, what did we fail to learn? I think the

00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.339
single biggest concept that comes out of this

00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.140
is moral hazard. Explain that for us. Moral hazard

00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:12.380
is the idea that if you protect people from the

00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:14.599
consequences of their risks, they will naturally

00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.920
take even bigger and crazier risks in the future.

00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.359
By orchestrating this private sector rescue,

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.920
The Fed, and specifically the chairman at the

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.420
time, Alan Greenspan, signaled to the market

00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:26.619
that if a financial firm is too big to fail,

00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.740
the Fed will always step in and organize a lifeboat.

00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:32.359
This is the famous Greenspan put, right? Exactly.

00:28:32.740 --> 00:28:35.059
It's the belief that there's a safety net underneath

00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:37.400
the market provided by the central bank. And

00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.579
it arguably set the stage for the massive excessive

00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:43.319
risk -taking we saw in the housing market that

00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.490
led to the 2008 crisis. Banks thought we can

00:28:46.490 --> 00:28:48.750
lend a risky hedge funds. We could load up on

00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:50.930
subprime mortgages because if it all blows up,

00:28:51.029 --> 00:28:54.250
the Fed will save us. So the rescue itself created

00:28:54.250 --> 00:28:57.349
a bigger problem. Many people argue it did. And

00:28:57.349 --> 00:28:59.869
what about the players? Surely Merriweather and

00:28:59.869 --> 00:29:02.369
the Nobel winners retired to a quiet life of

00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.309
teaching and writing their memoirs. You would

00:29:04.309 --> 00:29:06.730
absolutely think so. You would think after a

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:09.490
humiliation of that magnitude, you'd never show

00:29:09.490 --> 00:29:12.589
your face on Wall Street again. But no, John

00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:15.269
Merriweather launched a new fund. JWM Partners

00:29:15.269 --> 00:29:19.089
in 1999. You are kidding me. Less than a year

00:29:19.089 --> 00:29:21.569
after the collapse. Not even a year. And guess

00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:23.849
what strategy he used in his new fund? Please

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:25.509
don't tell me it was the same one. It was the

00:29:25.509 --> 00:29:28.170
exact same strategy. Fixed income arbitrage,

00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:30.529
just with slightly less leverage. And how did

00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:32.430
that one go? It actually worked pretty well for

00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:35.049
a while. Yeah. Until the 2008 financial crisis

00:29:35.049 --> 00:29:38.690
hit. And then JWM Partners. lost 44 % of its

00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:41.210
value and had to shut down. It's unbelievable.

00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:43.170
It's like they were so convinced their model

00:29:43.170 --> 00:29:45.710
was right that 98 was just a fluke, a one -time

00:29:45.710 --> 00:29:48.210
thing. It suggests a real addiction to the model,

00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:51.390
a core belief that this time is different or

00:29:51.390 --> 00:29:54.369
we've fixed the bug. They just couldn't let it

00:29:54.369 --> 00:29:57.190
go. And what about the banks involved? UBS took

00:29:57.190 --> 00:30:00.250
a huge hit, right, from that tax scheme. They

00:30:00.250 --> 00:30:02.549
did. The chairman of UBS was forced to resign.

00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.339
The bank lost nearly $800 million, mostly related

00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:08.700
to those clever tax schemes and the put options

00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:11.319
they'd written for LTCM. It was a career ender

00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.700
for a lot of very senior people. Let's just tally

00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:16.039
the final bill on the fund itself. The total

00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:20.079
loss was $4 .6 billion. How did that break down?

00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:22.640
The sources show about $1 .6 billion was lost

00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.400
in swaps, $1 .3 billion in equity volatility

00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:28.380
trades. You know, what's really interesting is

00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:30.920
that only 430 million was actually lost in Russia

00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.779
directly. Wow. So the trigger event, the Russian

00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:36.359
default, was actually a pretty small part of

00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.700
the total loss. A tiny part. It wasn't the default

00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:42.599
that killed them. It was the ripple effect. The

00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.920
global panic, the flight to quality, and most

00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.000
importantly, the liquidity drying up. That's

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.660
what killed them. You know, there's a saying

00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:53.099
that liquidity is like oxygen. That's perfect.

00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.119
You don't notice it at all when it's there. You

00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.099
take it for granted. But the second it's gone,

00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.940
it's the only thing in the world that matters.

00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:03.460
And LTCM suffocated. So we've unpacked the rise,

00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.440
the strategy, the spectacular crash, and the

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:09.240
controversial bailout. When you step back and

00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.519
look at the whole story, what is the big takeaway

00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.740
for you? If you had to summarize the lesson of

00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:16.819
LTCM in just one thought. For me, it comes back

00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:19.019
to what I said at the start. It's the profound

00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:21.960
difference between intelligence and wisdom. These

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.900
men were, without question, some of the most

00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:26.779
intelligent people ever to work in finance. They

00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:28.900
could calculate the price of a complex derivative

00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:32.259
to the tenth decimal place in their heads. But

00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:34.920
they lacked the wisdom to understand that the

00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.940
real world doesn't always follow the clean, elegant

00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:40.839
rules of mathematics. They mistook their map

00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.240
for the actual territory. I love that phrase.

00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:46.279
The map is not the territory. Just because your

00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.680
model, your map says a 10 -sigma crash is impossible

00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.420
doesn't mean the market can't crash. And more

00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:54.200
specifically, I think it's the ultimate cautionary

00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.859
tale about the danger of leverage. Leverage doesn't

00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:00.559
make you a better investor. It just magnifies

00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.220
your outcome. If you're right, you win big. If

00:32:04.220 --> 00:32:06.700
you're wrong, you get wiped out. They were smart

00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:09.259
enough to be right 99 % of the time. But leverage

00:32:09.259 --> 00:32:11.319
meant that the 1 % of the time they were wrong,

00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.839
it was fatal. And history. You have to look at

00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.359
more than just the last five years of data. Always.

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.779
Yeah. History is a long, messy, complicated book.

00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.059
And if you only read the last chapter, you are

00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:24.240
absolutely going to be surprised by the plot

00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.589
twist. So before we wrap this up, I want to leave

00:32:26.589 --> 00:32:28.829
our listeners with one final provocative thought

00:32:28.829 --> 00:32:31.049
to chew on. We mentioned that Meriwether started

00:32:31.049 --> 00:32:34.349
a second fund that failed in 2008. But the source

00:32:34.349 --> 00:32:36.230
material notes that he launched a third fund

00:32:36.230 --> 00:32:39.569
in 2010. JM Advisors Management. Yeah. Unbelievable.

00:32:39.569 --> 00:32:41.930
Like using the same basic strategy all over again.

00:32:42.089 --> 00:32:44.480
He just can't quit it. It raises a really fascinating

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.279
question, I think. Is the allure of this kind

00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.880
of easy, mathematical, scientific money so powerful

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.900
that even a $4 .6 billion failure, a global public

00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:59.019
humiliation, can't break the addiction? And then

00:32:59.019 --> 00:33:01.039
you have to think about today's market. Right.

00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.920
It is completely dominated by algorithmic trading,

00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:08.319
high frequency trading, AI models making decisions.

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:11.099
We have faster computers and way more data than

00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:14.099
they ever did. You do. But do we have more wisdom

00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:16.720
or have we just built a bigger, faster, more

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.619
powerful bulldozer? If LTCM could almost break

00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:22.660
the world in 1998 with, you know, Excel spreadsheets

00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:24.900
and telephones, what happens when the algorithms

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.200
that run our entire market today all decide to

00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.380
rush for the same exit at the exact same millisecond?

00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.539
That is a terrifying thought. The fat tail might

00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:35.049
be even fatter next time. On that cheery note,

00:33:35.130 --> 00:33:37.089
thank you for joining us on this deep dive into

00:33:37.089 --> 00:33:39.430
the rise and spectacular fall of long term capital

00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:42.509
management. It's a story of genius, ruin and

00:33:42.509 --> 00:33:44.930
the razor thin line that separates the two. Thanks

00:33:44.930 --> 00:33:46.430
for having me. It was great to talk through.

00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:47.609
We'll see you on the next deep dive.
