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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. I have to say,

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looking at the stack of research we have on the

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desk today, I feel like we need to put on some

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latex gloves. Ha! Yeah, this is not a clean subject.

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Not at all. We are digging into something that,

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on the surface, seems incredibly dry. You know,

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ledgers, balance sheets, audit reports. But when

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you actually peel back the cover, it's a crime

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scene. It really is. We are entering the world

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of forensic accounting today. And you're right.

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Usually when people hear accounting, they think

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of a beige office, a calculator and a very risk

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averse person worrying about tax compliance.

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Totally. It's viewed as the most rigid black

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and white profession on Earth. Most boring, some

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would say. Exactly. Math is math. Two plus two

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equals four. There's no room for interpretation,

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right? That is the perception. But the reality

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we are going to explore today is that accounting

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can be incredibly creative. And you don't mean

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creative in a good way. No, not at all. Not like

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a beautifully designed building. I mean, creative

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in the way a fiction writer creates a dragon.

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We are talking about the moment where numbers

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stop representing reality and start representing

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a fantasy. We are talking about accounting scandals.

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the cooked books. And the scope of what we're

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covering today is massive. I mean, we aren't

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just looking at petty theft from the cash register.

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No, no. We are looking at the heavy hitters from

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the Enron era that really defined the early 2000s

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to the massive modern collapses like Evergrande

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that are shaking up the global economy right

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now. And we aren't just going to list the crimes.

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Anyone can read a headline about this stuff.

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Our mission today is to understand the mechanics.

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How do you hide a billion dollars? How do you

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make a company that is bleeding money look like

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it's the most profitable business in the world?

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And perhaps most importantly, why do they do

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it? The psychology of the con, I think that's

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the part that fascinates me the most. We tend

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to think of these fraudsters as these, like,

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evil masterminds, but often they're just desperate

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people who painted themselves into a corner.

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Or, on the other hand, they're narcissists who

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genuinely believe they are smarter than the market,

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smarter than the auditors, smarter than everybody.

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It's a real mix. So let's set the stage. We have

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a lot of ground to cover everything from what

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we're calling the fraud triangle to the hall

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of shame. But I think we need to start with a

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definition. What is the line between a mistake

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and a crime? Because I definitely messed up my

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own budget before, but I don't think the FBI

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is coming for me. Well, let's hope not. But you've

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hit on the key word, the legal pivot point. It's

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intent. Intent. An accounting error is just that,

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an error. You forgot to carry a one or you categorized

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a lunch receipt as office supplies by accident.

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It's a mistake. a scandal a fraud that arises

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from the intentional manipulation of financial

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statements so it's a deliberate act it's a deliberate

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act by trusted executives or employees to misuse

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funds or more often to just misrepresent the

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truth okay so the difference between tripping

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over a rug and deliberately pushing someone down

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the stairs. Precisely. And in the world of corporate

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fraud, we generally categorize these pushes into

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two main buckets. Okay. The first one is the

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most intuitive. It's called misappropriation

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of assets. Which is just a fancy suit and tie

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way of saying theft. It is. Exactly. The industry

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term is often defalcation, but yeah, it's theft.

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This is when an employee steals the company's

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assets. Now, historically, this meant... stealing

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cash. You're working the register, you pocket

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a 20. Right. Or you're in the warehouse and a

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box of inventory falls off the truck. You know,

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the classics. The classic shrinkage that companies

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used to budget for. Exactly. But as the economy

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has evolved from physical goods to information,

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so has the theft. Now we see the theft of intellectual

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property becoming a huge problem. So not stealing

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the computers, but stealing what's on the computers.

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Right. Stealing the customer list, stealing the

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source code for the new software, stealing proprietary

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data. Things that are intangible, but incredibly

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valuable. That seems infinitely more damaging.

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If I steal a laptop, the company's out, what,

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$2 ,000? If I seal the design for the new prototype

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that's on that laptop, the company could be out

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millions or even its entire future. It can be

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an extinction -level event for a small to mid

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-sized business. It's terrifying. There was a

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striking statistic in our research notes from

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2015. It found that 33 % of all business bankruptcies

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that year were caused, at least in part, by employee

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theft. Wait, a third? A third of businesses that

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failed were essentially eaten from the inside

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out. Yes. It really highlights the internal controls,

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you know, making sure you know who has the keys

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to the kingdom, aren't just bureaucratic red

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tape. They are survival mechanisms. Wow. But

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while asset misappropriation is common and devastating,

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it's usually the second bucket of fraud that

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ends up on the front page of the Wall Street

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Journal. This would be the big lie. Correct.

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Bucket number two is fraudulent financial reporting,

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or as it is sometimes euphemistically called

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in the business world. Earnings management. Okay.

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Earnings management sounds so much nicer than

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fraud. It does, doesn't it? That's the point.

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And this is the one that always confuses people

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because money isn't necessarily being stolen

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in the traditional sense, right? The CEO isn't

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walking out the door with a duffel bag full of

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cash. Not directly, no. Not usually. In this

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scenario, the goal is to manipulate the financial

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statements, which are basically the report card

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of the company, to make it look better than it

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actually is. So they're lying on the report card.

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They are. They are overstating revenue, they're

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understating expenses, or they're inflating the

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value of their assets, all to create a false

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picture of health. So if asset misappropriation

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is stealing a slice of the pie, fraudulent financial

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reporting is lying about the size of the pie.

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That is a perfect analogy. And the motivation

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is usually about external perception. They need

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to secure investor interest, you know, keep the

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stock price high to please Wall Street analysts,

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or they need to convince a bank to give them

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a loan. Or, and let's be cynical for a second,

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they need to hit a specific number on a spreadsheet

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to trigger their multimillion dollar bonus. That

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is unfortunately a very, very common motive.

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We call it gaming the metrics. If your contract

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says you get a million dollars, if the company

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earns $100 million and the company only earns

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$98 million, well, the temptation to find that

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extra $2 million in the cushions is immense.

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Just find it somewhere, anywhere. It's amazing

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how creative people can get when a bonus is on

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the line. And the SEC has a whole list of tricks

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they use to do this. Period end stuffing was

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one that jumped out at me from our notes. It

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sounds like a Thanksgiving activity, but I assume

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it's less delicious. Much less. Period end stuffing,

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or it's sometimes called channel stuffing, is

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when a company forces sales into the current

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quarter that really shouldn't happen yet. How

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do they do that? Let's say it's March 30th, the

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quarter is about to end, and you're short on

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your sales numbers. You might call up a customer,

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a distributor, and pressure them to take a huge

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delivery they don't need yet. You promise them

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deep discounts or you tell them they don't have

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to pay for 180 days just so you can record the

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revenue now. Ah, so you're borrowing from the

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future to survive the present. Exactly. But the

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problem is when the next quarter starts on April

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1st, you're already in a hole because you've

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cannibalized your own future sales. So you have

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to cheat even more just to stay flat. It's a

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treadmill that just keeps speeding up until you

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fly off the back. It becomes a cycle that's almost

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impossible to escape. It sounds exhausting. And

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this brings us to the core question of why. Why

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do people who are often already wealthy, successful

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and respected risk everything? Their reputation,

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their freedom to fudge a spreadsheet. Criminologists

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have spent decades studying this. The gold standard

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model for explaining it, the one that comes up

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again and again, is called the fraud triangle.

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I love a good geometric model. Let's walk through

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the corners of this triangle. What's the first

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one? The first corner is incentive or pressure.

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This is the motive, the why. We just talked about

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bonuses. It's a powerful incentive, but often

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it's pressure. Yes. A lot of the time it boils

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down to fear. Fear of failure. At the corporate

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level, there is just immense pressure to meet

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analysts' forecasts. If Wall Street expects you

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to make a $1 per share and you come in at 99,

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just one penny short, the stock might tank 10%.

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The market punishes misses severely. It's completely

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unforgiving. And there are debt covenants, right?

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That sounds like something from an Indiana Jones

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movie, but it's a banking term. It is. It's a

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very serious one. When a bank lends a company

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money, they often include covenants, which are

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basically rules. For example, a rule might...

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be your total debt cannot exceed 50 % of your

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total equity. If you cross that line, if you

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violate the covenant, the bank can call in the

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loan immediately, demand repayment in full. And

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that would bankrupt the company overnight. Absolutely.

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So if you're getting close to that line, the

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pressure to fix the numbers, to inflate your

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equity or hide some debt just to stay compliant

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is existential. It's life or death for the business.

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Yeah. And then there is the personal pressure,

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which can be just as strong. For sure. Things

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like gambling debts. substance abuse issues,

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a messy and expensive divorce, or something a

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little more sinister like the golden handshake.

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I wanted to ask about this. This is the idea

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that an executive might actually want the company

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to struggle. That seems counterintuitive. It

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does, but it happens. A golden handshake often

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refers to a massive payout an executive gets

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if the company is sold or merges. So sometimes

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you see executives manipulate the books to make

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the company look like a juicy acquisition target

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or even distress it slightly to force a sale

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just so they can cash out their stock options

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and walk away with a huge check. That is incredibly

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dark. You're essentially tanking the ship so

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you can sell the records you get paid for it.

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It happens. So that's pressure. The first corner.

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The second corner of the triangle is opportunity.

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The open door. Exactly. You can be as desperate

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as you want, but if the vault is locked and you

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don't have the key, you can't steal. Opportunity

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arises when internal controls are weak or when

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the accounting is so complex and opaque that

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no one can really figure out what's real and

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what's not. Our notes mention that industries

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relying on significant judgments are more vulnerable.

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Can we unpack that? What does that mean? Sure.

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Think about it this way. If you run a trucking

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company. It's pretty easy to verify your assets.

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I can go to the parking lot and count the trucks.

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One, two, three. It's hard to fake that. They're

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tangible. Right. But what if you are a bank holding

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complex derivatives or a software company trying

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to place a value on goodwill from an acquisition

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you made five years ago? The value is an estimate.

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It's an opinion, not a hard fact. Exactly. If

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I say this patent is worth $100 million and you

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say it's worth $50 million, who is right? It's

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objective. It's a judgment call. And that ambiguity,

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that gray area, creates the opportunity to nudge

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the numbers in your favor without it looking

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like an outright lie. It's not a lie. It's just

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an optimistic valuation. That is the defense

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lawyer's favorite phrase. And that leads perfectly

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to the third corner of the triangle, attitudes

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and rationalization. The mental gymnastics. Yeah.

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This is how they sleep at night. This is how

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they look in the mirror. The fraudster rarely

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sees a criminal staring back. They tell themselves

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stories to justify their actions. What kind of

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stories? Things like, I'm underpaid, the company

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owes me this so I deserve it. Or, everyone else

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is doing it, it's just how the game is played.

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Or, the most dangerous one of all, I'm just borrowing

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it, I'll pay it back next quarter when things

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turn around. And of course they never do. They

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never do. Another big one is the noble cause,

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corruption. Right, the idea that... I'm doing

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this for the good of the company. Exactly. I'm

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cooking the books to save jobs. If I tell the

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truth, we go under and everyone gets fired. So

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I'm actually the hero here. They reframe the

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fraud as a heroic act. That's a powerful rationalization.

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And this is all heavily, heavily influenced by

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the tone at the top. If the CEO cuts corners,

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cheats suppliers or laughs about regulations,

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that sends a message. The mid -level managers

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feel authorized to do the same. It creates a

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culture where fraud becomes normalized, just

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business as usual. So pressure, opportunity,

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rationalization. That's the triangle. But I noticed

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in our research that the triangle wasn't enough

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for some modern theorists. They've added more

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shapes. We have a diamond and a pentagon now.

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We do. We are getting into advanced fraud geometry

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here. The fraud diamond was proposed later, adding

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a fourth critical element. Which makes total

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sense. I might have the pressure and the opportunity,

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but if I don't know how to hack the accounting

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software or structure a complex deal, I can't

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actually. Right. You need the technical skill

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and crucially, the position of power. A janitor

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cannot commit financial statement fraud. You

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need the CFO or the controller, someone who understands

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the plumbing of the financial system and has

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the access to change it. OK, so that's the diamond.

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What about the Pentagon? What's the fifth side?

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The Pentagon adds arrogance or ego. The master

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of the universe complex? It's that specific brand

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of narcissism where the individual believes the

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rules simply do not apply to them. They think

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they're smarter than the auditors, smarter than

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the regulators, and smarter than the market.

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When you looked at the major scandals we are

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about to discuss, that arrogance is the common

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thread that runs through almost all of them.

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Well, speaking of major scandals, I think it's

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time to open the doors to the Hall of Shame.

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We have quite the lineup today. We certainly

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do. Where should we begin? We have to start with

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the big one, the patient zero of modern corporate

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fraud, Enron. Enron. It's almost a cliche at

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this point, but you really cannot overstate how

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shocking this was back in 2001. Enron wasn't

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some shady back alley operation. It was voted

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America's most innovative company by Fortune

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magazine for six years in a row. They were the

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golden child of the new economy, trading energy,

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bandwidth, even things like weather derivatives.

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They were seen as the future. They were. But

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underneath all that innovation, it was a house

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of cards. And it was built on two main mechanisms

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that are pretty complicated but worth understanding.

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Mark -to -market accounting and special purpose

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entities. Okay, let's get technical for a second

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because this is fascinating. Explain mark -to

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-market to us. What is that? So traditional accounting

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is usually based on history. You sell a widget

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for $10. You record $10 in revenue. Simple. Mark

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-to -market accounting is based on future value.

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The future value of something. Yes. Enron was

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signing these massive 20 -year contracts to supply

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energy. Instead of booking the profit year by

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year as they actually earned it, they would estimate

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the total profit they thought they'd make over

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the next 20 years and book all of it today. So

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if I sign a deal that might make me $20 million

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over two decades, I can tell my shareholders,

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hey, we just made $20 million today. Essentially,

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yes. You book the net present value of Alder's

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future profits. But here is the catch. Predicting

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energy prices 20 years out is basically impossible.

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So Enron was just making up the assumptions.

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They were booking massive hypothetical profits

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based on their own optimistic models. So they

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had huge profits on paper. But they didn't have

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the cash to back it up. It's the ultimate paper

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rich, cash poor situation, but on a massive scale.

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Yeah. And when the deals actually went bad, which

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they often did, Enron didn't want to admit it,

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that would hurt the stock price. So what do they

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do with the losses? This is where mechanism number

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two comes in. Special Purpose Entities, or SPEs.

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These were the infamous shell companies, right?

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The ones with the crazy Jurassic Park names like

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Raptor. Raptor, Chuco, LJM. These were partnerships

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created and controlled by Enron's own CFO, Andrew

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Fastow. When Enron had a bad asset, a losing

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investment, or a massive debt, they would sell

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it to one of these shell companies. So they just

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moved the toxic waste off their own balance sheet

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and onto the balance sheet of this other company

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that nobody's looking at. Correct. But here's

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the fraud. The shell companies were backed by

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Enron stock. It was completely circular. It was

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like taking debt off your Visa card and moving

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it to a MasterCard that is guaranteed by your

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Visa card. So if the Visa card fails... The whole

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thing collapses. And that's what happened. When

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Enron's stock price started to fall, the SPEs

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became worthless, and all that hidden debt came

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rushing back onto Enron's books. And the craziest

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part of this whole saga is the auditor's role.

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Arthur Anderson. They were one of the big five

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accounting firms. They were supposed to be the

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referees, the independent watchdogs. They were,

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but they were making so much money from consulting

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fees with Enron. At one point, it was roughly

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a million dollars a week that they lost their

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independence. They became enablers. And when

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the SEC started investigating, Arthur Anderson

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didn't say, here are the files, let's get to

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the truth. They started shredding. The image

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of auditors frantically shredding documents by

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the ton while the feds are closing in is just

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cinematic. It cost them everything. Arthur Anderson

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was convicted of obstruction of justice. They

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were forced to surrender their CPA licenses.

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The firm collapsed. 85 ,000 employees lost their

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jobs essentially overnight, most of whom were

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completely innocent. And the big five became

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the big four, which it still is today. A stark

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reminder that trust takes decades to build and

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just seconds to destroy. Okay, let's move down

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the timeline just a year later, 2002. Enron is

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still fresh in everyone's mind, and then bam.

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WorldCom. The too -big -to -fail era, as you

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said. It was one body blow after another to the

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market's confidence. And if Enron was this complex

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magic trick involving derivatives and shell companies,

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WorldCom feels almost dumber, like brilliantly

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stupid in its simplicity. It was certainly less

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sophisticated, but no less devastating. WorldCom

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was a massive telecom company, the second largest

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in the U .S. They grew by buying up dozens of

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other companies, but when the dot -com bubble

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burst, their revenue stalled. The growth story

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was over. And the shroud they use to hide this

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involves something called capitalization of expenses.

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We probably need to explain the difference between

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an expense and a capital asset for the listeners.

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Right. It's a fundamental accounting concept.

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Think of it this way. If you buy a sandwich for

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lunch, that is an expense. You eat it. It's gone.

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It reduces your profit for the day immediately.

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If you buy a house, that is a capital asset.

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You exchange cash for a house. Your net worth

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doesn't go down. You just have a house instead

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of cash. You get to use that house for years.

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Okay. So expenses hurt profits now. Assets don't.

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Correct. You depreciate assets over time, but

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the immediate hit to your profit is minimal.

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Now, WorldCom paid billions of dollars in line

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costs. These are fees to other phone companies

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to use their networks to complete calls. So it's

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a regular recurring cost of doing business, like

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the electric bill. Exactly. It's clearly an operating

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expense. You pay it every month. But WorldCom

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CFO Scott Sullivan told his team to start recording

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these bills as if they were assets. Wait, they

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took their monthly phone bill and called it an

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investment? Essentially, yes. They took $3 .8

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billion of these daily operating costs and just

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wrote them down on the balance sheet as investments

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in infrastructure. So instead of telling investors,

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we spent $3 .8 billion this quarter, they said,

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we bought $3 .8 billion worth of new assets.

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Which meant their profit looked $3 .8 billion

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higher than it actually was. It was a simple

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journal entry in the ledger. Debit asset, credit

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cash, no complex shell companies required. Just

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a lie. And the scale, it was ultimately revealed

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to be an $11 billion fraud, is staggering. At

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the time, it dwarfed Enron. It was the largest

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corporate insolvency ever. And it wasn't uncovered

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by the SEC or a Wall Street analyst. It was caught

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by a small team of internal auditors led by Cynthia

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Cooper. They worked in secret, often at night,

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digging through the company's own systems because

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they knew something was wrong. They are the real

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heroes of that story. Truly. Okay, let's jump

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forward a few years to 2008. The great financial

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crisis is unfolding. And the name that dominates

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that era of fraud is, of course, Bernie Madoff.

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The $64 billion question, as you called it earlier.

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Now, everyone knows it was a Ponzi scheme. He

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took money from new investors to pay off old

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investors. The basic mechanism is well understood.

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But what I want to focus on is the single biggest

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red flag that everyone, including the SEC, missed

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for decades. The auditor. This is the detail

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that still keeps regulators up at night. Madoff

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Investment Securities claimed to be managing

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tens of billions of dollars for thousands of

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clients globally. You'd expect a firm of that

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size to be audited by a global powerhouse. PwC,

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Deloitte, EY, KPMG, one of the big four. Right.

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You'd want an army of forensic accountants combing

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through every trade. Instead, the auditor of

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record was a firm called Freeling &amp; Horowitz.

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Which sounds respectable enough, right? Maybe

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a boutique, high -end firm. But in reality, what

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was it? It was a tiny office in a strip mall

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in New City, New York. It was basically one room,

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a storefront. One room to audit a $60 billion

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operation. And the firm consisted of one active

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accountant, David G. Freeling. He was in his

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late 70s working from this tiny office. He didn't

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have a team of forensic analysts. He barely had

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a secretary. So how does one guy audit a global

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hedge fund of that size? He doesn't. He couldn't.

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He simply rubber stamped the documents Madoff

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gave him for 18 years. He admitted he didn't

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perform any actual audit procedures. He didn't

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independently verify the trades. He didn't even

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check to see if the bank accounts with the supposed

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billions actually existed. And why? Was he just

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lazy? Incompetent? He was hopelessly compromised.

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He and his family had millions of dollars of

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their own money invested in Madoff's fund. No.

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That is the single biggest conflict of interest

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imaginable. Audit rule number one. You must be

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independent in fact and appearance. Exactly.

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If he found the fraud, he would not only lose

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a major client, he would lose his own life savings

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and his family savings. He was financially incentivized

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to be blind. It's a perfect, tragic example of

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why auditor independence is the absolute cornerstone

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of the whole financial system. It's just incredible.

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The biggest financial crime in history was hidden

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behind a strip mall storefront. Now, we've been

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very U .S.-centric so far, but creative accounting

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is a global language. Let's take a quick trip

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around the world. Let's do it. We're two first.

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Let's go to Europe. Italy, 2003. Parmalat. Ah,

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Parmalat. The European Enron. Parmalat was a

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massive company, a dairy giant. They made milk,

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yogurt, cookies. They were a huge family -owned

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conglomerate, a point of national pride in Italy.

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But it turned out they had a 14 billion hole

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in their books. 14 billion euros. And the way

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they hit it... Honestly, it sounds like a prank

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from a bad sitcom. It does. It's almost comical

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in its audacity. They claim to have a bank account

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with Bank of America in the Cayman Islands. And

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this account supposedly contained nearly $4 billion

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in cash. Nice little rainy day fund. The auditors,

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for years, would ask for proof of this cash.

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So Parmalat executives simply forged a letter

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on Bank of America letterhead confirming the

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balance. Like they just made it up in Microsoft

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Word and put a fake signature on it. Even cruder.

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It was essentially cut and paste, scanned and

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faxed. The prosecutors later said it was a clumsy,

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obvious forgery. But for years, the auditors

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just accepted the facts as proof. They never

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once picked up the phone to call the bank and

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verify it. The old mantra of trust but verify

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minus the crucial verify part. Exactly. When

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a new auditor finally took over and said, hey,

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out of an abundance of caution, let me just double

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check this with the bank. Bank of America's response

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was, we don't have an account for this company.

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We've never heard of it. The whole thing collapsed

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instantly. Unbelievable. Okay, let's move over

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to Asia. Japan, 2011. Olympus, the camera company.

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Yes, Olympus. This one is fascinating because

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of the cultural element involved, a practice

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known as Tobashi. Tobashi. What does that translate

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to? It roughly means to make fly away. And it

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refers to a financial maneuver where you shift

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your losses off your company's books to hide

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them from investors, often by moving them to

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obscure shell companies. So similar to Enron's

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SBEs. Very similar in concept. Olympus had made

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some terrible speculative investments back in

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the 1980s during the Japanese asset bubble. When

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the bubble burst, they were sitting on huge,

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embarrassing losses. So instead of admitting

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it and taking the hit to their stock price. They

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spent the next 20 years hiding it. Their method

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was to overpay for acquisitions. They would buy

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other companies at massively inflated prices.

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The extra money they paid for these acquisitions

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wasn't for the company itself. It was secretly

00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:36.140
being funneled into show companies to pay off

00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:39.099
those old investment losses from the 80s. So

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they were buying companies not because they wanted

00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:43.839
the technology or the business, but because they

00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.660
needed a laundry machine for their old debt.

00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:48.460
It was a very expensive and elaborate way to

00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:50.690
hide the truth. And this went on for two decades

00:24:50.690 --> 00:24:53.769
until a new CEO, Michael Woodford, who was British

00:24:53.769 --> 00:24:56.230
and the first non -Japanese CEO in the company's

00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:59.349
history, started asking questions. Simple questions

00:24:59.349 --> 00:25:02.710
like, why did we pay $2 billion for a small recycling

00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.190
company that makes no money? And because he was

00:25:05.190 --> 00:25:06.930
an outsider, he didn't understand the cultural

00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:09.430
rule of silence and not rocking the boat. He

00:25:09.430 --> 00:25:12.970
broke the Japanese concept of harmony. The board

00:25:12.970 --> 00:25:14.970
fired him for asking too many questions, but

00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:16.950
he went to the press and the police, and the

00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:19.589
entire 20 -year -old scheme came crashing down.

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Incredible persistence. Okay, let's hit our neighbor

00:25:22.730 --> 00:25:26.130
to the north, Canada. Nortel Networks, 2003.

00:25:26.829 --> 00:25:29.289
This is a classic example of earnings management,

00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:32.990
driven by pure... unadulterated greed. This was

00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:35.849
the return to profit scheme. That's right. Nortel,

00:25:36.009 --> 00:25:38.509
the telecom giant, was struggling after the dotcom

00:25:38.509 --> 00:25:42.309
bust. In 2002, the top executives realized they

00:25:42.309 --> 00:25:44.210
weren't going to hit their profit targets for

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the year. So they decided to take what's known

00:25:47.029 --> 00:25:50.329
as a big bath. A big bath. What does that mean?

00:25:50.490 --> 00:25:52.670
It means you make the current year look as bad

00:25:52.670 --> 00:25:55.450
as humanly possible. You write off every bad

00:25:55.450 --> 00:25:58.210
asset you can find. You prepay future expenses.

00:25:58.390 --> 00:26:01.220
You accrue massive liabilities. You basically

00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:03.539
flush all the bad news through the system at

00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:05.980
once. Why on earth would you want to make your

00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:07.920
company look terrible? Because it dramatically

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.519
lowers the bar for the following year. If you

00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.119
make 2002 look like an absolute disaster, it

00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.740
becomes very easy to make 2003 look like a miraculous

00:26:15.740 --> 00:26:18.000
recovery. And why did they specifically need

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.799
2003 to be a recovery year? Because their executive

00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.240
bonus plan had a special return to profitability

00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.619
trigger. If they could just show a profit, any

00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:29.119
profit in 2003 after the disaster of 2002, the

00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:31.160
topic... executives would share a bonus pool

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.880
of $70 million. So they deliberately engineered

00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.599
a loss in one year so they could engineer a profit

00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.119
the next, solely to unlock a wire transfer to

00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.759
their personal bank accounts. It is arguably

00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.400
the most cynical form of fraud. It wasn't about

00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.759
saving the company or protecting jobs. It was

00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.539
purely about the payout. And finally, let's bring

00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.480
it to the present day for the biggest one of

00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.140
all, China. Evergrande. The scale of this one

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.240
just makes the others look small. Evergrande

00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.339
is or was one of China's largest property developers.

00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.880
In 2023, Chinese regulators accused the company

00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.859
of overstating its revenue by $78 billion over

00:27:09.859 --> 00:27:14.440
two years. $78 billion. That is the entire GDP

00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.380
of a decent -sized nation. How is that even possible?

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.089
It stems from how they recognize revenue. In

00:27:20.089 --> 00:27:22.910
China, real estate is often sold presale. You

00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:24.990
pay for the apartment years before it is actually

00:27:24.990 --> 00:27:27.589
built. OK, that's common here, too. Right. But

00:27:27.589 --> 00:27:29.529
proper accounting says that money you receive

00:27:29.529 --> 00:27:32.160
is a liability. a customer deposit until you

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.019
actually finish the building and hand over the

00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.359
keys. You haven't earned it yet. Evergrande was

00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.680
allegedly booking all that cash as revenue the

00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.579
moment they received it. So they were counting

00:27:40.579 --> 00:27:43.200
the chickens not just before they hatched, but

00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.039
before the eggs were even laid. And then they

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.880
were using that fake revenue on their books to

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.039
go out and borrow more money to buy more land

00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.920
to sell more unbuilt apartments. It was a classic

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.440
Ponzi scheme, but fueled by real estate debt

00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.619
instead of investor cash. And when the Chinese

00:27:57.619 --> 00:28:00.210
government tightened lending rules to cool the

00:28:00.210 --> 00:28:02.569
property market. The liquidity dried up and the

00:28:02.569 --> 00:28:05.269
music stopped. The whole thing imploded. And

00:28:05.269 --> 00:28:08.150
because real estate is such a huge part of China's

00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:11.160
economy, this sent shockwaves globally. It did.

00:28:11.420 --> 00:28:13.740
It's a powerful reminder that these aren't just

00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:16.299
numbers on a page. When these giant companies

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:19.019
collapse, construction stocks, people who paid

00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:21.200
for homes lose their life savings, suppliers

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.059
don't get paid, banks are left with bad loans.

00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:27.700
The ripple effects are very, very real. So we've

00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:29.220
seen the anatomy of the crime. We've been through

00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:31.160
the hall of shame. Let's talk about part three,

00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.539
the fallout. What happens after the dust settles

00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:37.599
from one of these massive scandals? Usually the

00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.799
government steps in with a big regulatory stick.

00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:43.119
The biggest and most famous response to the Enron

00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.079
and WorldCom era was the Sarbanes -Oxley Act

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:50.759
of 2002, known universally as SOX. I have friends

00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.599
in finance who still shudder when they hear the

00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.019
word SOX. It's famous for being a paperwork nightmare.

00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.819
But what did it actually change in a meaningful

00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.900
way? I think the most critical change was establishing

00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:05.660
personal liability for executives. Before SOX,

00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.759
a CEO could plausibly say, hey, I'm the big picture

00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.119
guy. I focus on strategy. I didn't know what

00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.160
the accountants in the basement were doing. The

00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.079
old sheet and Schultz defense. I know nothing.

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:17.500
Plausible deniability. SOX killed that defense.

00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.940
Section 302 of the act requires the CEO and CFO

00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:23.700
to personally certify to sign their names on

00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:25.539
the dotted line that the financial statements

00:29:25.539 --> 00:29:27.920
are accurate and not misleading. So they can't

00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.859
hide anymore. If the statements turn out to be

00:29:29.859 --> 00:29:32.420
fraudulent, the executives can face massive fines

00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:34.640
and prison time, regardless of whether they knew

00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.779
the specific details of the fraud. It forces

00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.880
them to take responsibility. It forces them to

00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.980
know. I remember President Bush, when he was

00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:43.339
signing it, said something to the effect of the

00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:46.019
buck stops here and the buck is fake. You're

00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:48.039
going to jail. That's essentially the spirit

00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.049
of it. But this whole episode sparked a massive

00:29:51.049 --> 00:29:53.250
philosophical debate in the accounting world

00:29:53.250 --> 00:29:56.329
that is still raging today. The debate between

00:29:56.329 --> 00:30:00.029
rules versus principles. This sounds a bit academic,

00:30:00.029 --> 00:30:01.970
but bear with us, listener, because it really

00:30:01.970 --> 00:30:04.329
gets to the heart of why fraud. keeps happening.

00:30:04.609 --> 00:30:06.730
What is the difference between these two approaches?

00:30:07.029 --> 00:30:10.089
The U .S. system called generally accepted accounting

00:30:10.089 --> 00:30:12.769
principles is a rules based system. It's like

00:30:12.769 --> 00:30:15.349
a massive, incredibly detailed instruction manual.

00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:18.549
It says if you have a lease that covers 75 percent

00:30:18.549 --> 00:30:20.869
of the assets useful life, you must treat it

00:30:20.869 --> 00:30:23.890
as a capital lease. If it's 74 percent, you treat

00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:26.049
it as an operating lease. It's very specific

00:30:26.049 --> 00:30:29.109
checklist, black and white. Exactly. But that

00:30:29.109 --> 00:30:33.609
very specificity creates loopholes. Smart fraudsters

00:30:33.609 --> 00:30:35.990
like the guys at Enron, they don't break the

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:38.869
rules. They read the rule book and design transactions

00:30:38.869 --> 00:30:41.490
that are technically compliant but ethically

00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:44.349
bankrupt. They might structure a deal to be 2

00:30:44.349 --> 00:30:47.069
.9 % owned by an outsider because the rule says

00:30:47.069 --> 00:30:49.349
3 % ownership triggers a certain disclosure.

00:30:49.690 --> 00:30:51.890
So they follow the letter of the law precisely

00:30:51.890 --> 00:30:54.450
to violate the spirit of the law. Perfectly put.

00:30:54.970 --> 00:30:57.349
Now, contrast that with principles based systems

00:30:57.349 --> 00:31:00.089
like the IFRS international financial reporting

00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:02.369
standards used in Europe and most of the rest

00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:05.250
of the world. That system is much broader. It

00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:07.210
says something like the financial statements

00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:09.950
must present a true and fair view of the company's

00:31:09.950 --> 00:31:11.849
financial position. It's more like a guiding

00:31:11.849 --> 00:31:14.390
principle. Don't be evil. Right. It relies on

00:31:14.390 --> 00:31:16.289
the professional judgment of the accountants

00:31:16.289 --> 00:31:18.910
and auditors. Does this look right? Does this

00:31:18.910 --> 00:31:20.869
reflect the economic reality of the transaction?

00:31:21.089 --> 00:31:23.470
But the problem there is that judgment is subjective.

00:31:24.329 --> 00:31:26.549
harder to enforce in a courtroom. And the great

00:31:26.549 --> 00:31:30.549
paradox here is that we see massive fraud happening

00:31:30.549 --> 00:31:33.490
in both systems. Enron happened under the strict

00:31:33.490 --> 00:31:37.509
U .S. rules. Parmalat and more recently Wirecard

00:31:37.509 --> 00:31:40.210
happened under the European principles. It really

00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:41.849
suggests that if someone is truly determined

00:31:41.849 --> 00:31:44.410
to lie, the specific rulebook doesn't ultimately

00:31:44.410 --> 00:31:47.269
matter that much. Speaking of Wirecard. That

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:49.609
was a huge scandal in 2020. SOX had been around

00:31:49.609 --> 00:31:52.150
for 18 years by then. We had all these new regulations.

00:31:52.430 --> 00:31:55.150
Did the system fail? Regulation is a deterrent,

00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:58.730
not a cure. It can't eliminate bad actors. Wirecard

00:31:58.730 --> 00:32:01.269
was a German payment processing company, a tech

00:32:01.269 --> 00:32:04.569
darling. They claim to have $1 .9 billion in

00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:06.809
cash sitting in trust accounts in the Philippines.

00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:09.970
And let me guess. Just like Parmalat. The money

00:32:09.970 --> 00:32:12.849
didn't exist. The accounts were fake. The auditors,

00:32:12.930 --> 00:32:15.029
Ernst &amp; Young in this case, had failed to verify

00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:17.809
the cash directly with the banks for years. They

00:32:17.809 --> 00:32:20.089
relied on documents and confirmations provided

00:32:20.089 --> 00:32:22.549
by a third party trustee who was in on the scheme.

00:32:22.769 --> 00:32:25.230
It just seems like call the bank directly is

00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:27.490
the one simple step that auditors keep skipping

00:32:27.490 --> 00:32:29.930
over and over again. It seems to be the Achilles

00:32:29.930 --> 00:32:33.130
heel of the audit profession. And then just this

00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:37.019
year, 2024. We have the case of BF Borgers. This

00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:38.759
is the most recent one on our list, and it feels

00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.900
different. It's different because the fraud wasn't

00:32:41.900 --> 00:32:44.500
at the company being audited. It was the audit

00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:47.380
firm itself that was the fraud. BF Borgers was

00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:49.819
an audit firm in Colorado. They filed reports

00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:53.400
for over 1 ,500 SEC filings for various small

00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.500
companies. The SEC found that in 75 % of those

00:32:57.500 --> 00:33:00.019
filings, they hadn't even done the work. What

00:33:00.019 --> 00:33:01.660
do you mean they hadn't done the work? They just

00:33:01.660 --> 00:33:04.220
fabricated the audit documentation. They would

00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:06.700
copy and paste work papers from previous years,

00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:09.019
change the dates, and sign off on the audit.

00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:11.099
They were selling the appearance of an audit

00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:13.359
to companies that needed one to be publicly listed.

00:33:13.930 --> 00:33:16.069
So it's like buying a car inspection sticker

00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:18.849
from a guy in an alley who never even looks at

00:33:18.849 --> 00:33:21.029
your brakes. That is exactly what it was, a fake

00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:23.109
audit factory. It just goes to show that no matter

00:33:23.109 --> 00:33:25.809
how many rules and regulations you have, you

00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:28.650
can't regulate away fundamental dishonesty. So

00:33:28.650 --> 00:33:31.910
if humans keep failing, if auditors are lazy

00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:35.269
or compromised or just plain tricked, is technology

00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:38.329
the answer? We hear about AI revolutionizing

00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:41.950
every other industry. Can AI catch a Bernie Madoff?

00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:44.279
It is the new frontier, and there's a lot of

00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.500
hope there. We are seeing the rise of things

00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:49.160
like continuous auditing using deep learning

00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.460
and AI. How does that actually work? Well, a

00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:54.619
human auditor can only ever spot check. They

00:33:54.619 --> 00:33:56.799
might look at 50 transactions out of 50 ,000.

00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.059
It's a sample. An AI can look at 100 % of the

00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:03.000
transactions instantly, and it can spot anomalies

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.700
and patterns that humans would never, ever miss.

00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.519
Like that thing called Benford's Law. I read

00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.679
about that. Yes. Benford's law is fascinating.

00:34:10.099 --> 00:34:12.320
It's a mathematical observation that in naturally

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.380
occurring sets of numbers like utility bills

00:34:14.380 --> 00:34:16.659
or stock prices or street addresses, the leading

00:34:16.659 --> 00:34:19.179
digit is most likely to be a 1. In fact, about

00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:21.460
30 % of numbers in the real world start with

00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:24.019
a 1. Only about 5 % start with a 9. That seems

00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:25.860
so counterintuitive. You'd think all the digits

00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:28.000
would have an equal chance. You'd think so, but

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.119
they don't. But here is the catch. When humans

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.360
try to make up random numbers to fake a ledger,

00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.960
we tend to distribute the leading digits pretty

00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.820
equally. We put in too many eights and nines

00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:41.619
and not enough ones and twos. Our fakes don't

00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:44.880
look natural. So the AI scans the entire general

00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.699
ledger, sees that the distribution of first digits

00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:51.280
is unnatural, and flags it for review. Exactly.

00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.960
It says these numbers look cooked. It's an incredibly

00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.820
powerful tool for fraud detection. But of course,

00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.599
as the detection gets better with AI, the fraudsters

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.400
will likely start using AI to generate more natural

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.239
-looking fake numbers. So it's a perpetual arms

00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.019
race. Robo Auditor versus Robo Fraudster. It

00:35:08.019 --> 00:35:10.480
is and always will be the nature of the game.

00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.119
Well, on that slightly dystopian note, let's

00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.260
wrap this up. But before we go, you found a detail

00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:18.679
about an award that I think sums this entire

00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.099
deep dive up perfectly. The Imaginary Numbers

00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:23.460
Award. I love this. This was from the Ig Nobel

00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:26.570
Prizes. the parody Nobel Awards that honor achievements

00:35:26.570 --> 00:35:29.130
that make you laugh, make you think. And this

00:35:29.130 --> 00:35:31.469
is in 2002, right in the thick of the Enron and

00:35:31.469 --> 00:35:33.789
WorldCom scandals. The recipients of the Ig Nobel

00:35:33.789 --> 00:35:36.769
Prize in economics were the CEOs and executives

00:35:36.769 --> 00:35:41.070
of Enron, WorldCom, Arthur Anderson, and a dozen

00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:43.269
other companies that imploded that year. And

00:35:43.269 --> 00:35:44.889
the citation for the award, what did it say?

00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:47.789
It said they won the prize for adapting the mathematical

00:35:47.789 --> 00:35:50.590
concept of imaginary numbers for use in the business

00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:53.090
world. It's funny, but it stings, doesn't it?

00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:55.909
It really cuts to the core. These people treated

00:35:55.909 --> 00:35:58.349
business not as a mechanism to provide value

00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:00.889
to build cars or supply energy or connect phone

00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:03.570
calls, but as a theoretical math problem where

00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:05.670
the variables could be adjusted to fit whatever

00:36:05.670 --> 00:36:07.550
answer they wanted. And that brings us right

00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:09.949
back to the fraud pentagon, that fifth element,

00:36:10.130 --> 00:36:13.329
the arrogance. Absolutely. The systems we all

00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:16.710
rely on, global trade, the stock market, your

00:36:16.710 --> 00:36:19.070
retirement fund, they all function on a baseline

00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.920
assumption of truth. We assume a dollar is a

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.980
dollar and a sale is a sale. When the people

00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:26.739
at the top decide that reality is optional, that

00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:28.420
the map is more important than the territory,

00:36:28.699 --> 00:36:31.900
the damage is truly limitless. So here is our

00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:34.059
final provocative thought for you, the listener.

00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:36.960
The next time you see a company that is constantly,

00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.559
quarter after quarter, beating Wall Street's

00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.119
expectations by exactly one penny, or you see

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a company that reports perfectly smooth, steadily

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climbing profits in a market that is chaotic

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and volatile. Ask yourself, is this unparalleled

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operational excellence? Is this management genius

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at work? Or is it creative writing? It is a question

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worth asking. Thanks for diving deep with us.

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Keep your eyes on the numbers and we'll see you

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next time.
