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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are doing

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something a little different. We aren't just

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looking at a company, we are looking at a specific

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feeling. Oh, okay. You know that feeling when

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you hold a piece of technology and it just, it

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disappears. It stops being a gadget and it becomes

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an extension of your brain. The flow state, yeah.

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It's incredibly rare. It is so rare. And I want

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to take you back to a time before we were all

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doom scrolling on these glass rectangles for

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six, seven hours a day. I want to go back to

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the 90s, the era of the stylus, the era of the

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little electronic beep. The era of graffiti.

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And just to be clear for everyone, I don't mean

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spray painting subway cars. No, not at all. We

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are talking about palm. And look, if you're under

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a certain age, you might see that little orange

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logo on your LG smart TV and just think. What

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is that? Right. Or you saw that weird tiny phone

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from a few years back. Exactly. That little credit

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card sized thing. But if you were around in the

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mid 90s, the Palm Pilot wasn't just another gadget.

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It was the icon. It was everything. It was the

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iPhone before the iPhone even existed. It was

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the device that proved to the world that we actually

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wanted computers in our pockets. You know, it's

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almost impossible to overstate the cultural gravity

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of Palm back then. They didn't just make a successful

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product. They literally defined the category

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of mobile computing for an entire decade. For

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sure. But the story we have in front of us today,

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and this is all drawn from The really comprehensive

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history of Palm Inc. spanning from its founding

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in 92 all the way to its weird zombie -like existence

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today. It's about so much more than just nostalgia.

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Oh, it's a suck. It's a business thriller. It's

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a tragedy. In some parts, it's a comedy of errors.

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I was reading through the source material for

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this, and honestly, it reads like a script for

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a prestige TV drama. You have this scrappy origin

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story in Silicon Valley. Classic. You have a

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meteoric rise during the dot -com bubble. I mean,

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we are talking about an IPO where the stock hit

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nearly $100 a share on day one. Which is just

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insane to even think about. And then, as is tradition

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in tech, the inevitable crushing crash. A brutal

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crash. Yeah. But it's not just the stock price,

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is it? No, that's what makes it so fascinating.

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It's the infighting. You have these confusing

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corporate splits where the company basically

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divorces itself right you get mergers that feel

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like these really awkward family reunions and

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then you have this truly tragic ending with hp

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and a fire sale where they were selling their

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flagship tablet for 99 bucks just to get them

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out the door that 99 touchpad sale is uh it's

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a moment that's just etched into the memory of

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every tech enthusiast from that era but you're

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right to really get it you have to look at the

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entire arc the whole story we have to look at

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the product lines, the Trio, which basically

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invented the modern smartphone, the Pre, which

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was supposed to save the company, even the Zyre.

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Don't forget the Zyre. And we have to dig into

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the corporate maneuvering, the stuff with 3Com

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and Handspring. And through it all, we have to

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answer this fundamental question. How does a

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company that has the absolute best technology,

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and spoiler alert, near the end, they really

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did have the best mobile OS, how do they fail

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to survive? That is the $1 .2 billion question,

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isn't it? So let's set the stage. It's 1992.

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The Internet is barely a thing for normal people.

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Not at all. It's for academics and the military

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mostly. Right. And if you have appointments,

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you're writing them in a paper planner, a day

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timer, a filifax. Thick, leather bound, heavy.

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Yeah. If you lost that thing, your professional

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life was basically over. Exactly. And into this

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very analog world steps a trio that we should

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probably call the trinity of handheld computing.

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You have Jeff Hawkins, the founder, the real

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visionary. The brain. the brain, Donna Dubinsky,

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who is the business muscle, and Ed Colligan,

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the marketing genius. These three, Hawkins, Dubinsky,

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Colligan, they are the main characters of this

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entire saga. They really are. And Jeff Hawkins

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is such a fascinating character. He's not your

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typical swaggering tech CEO. He's an inventor,

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almost an academic, and he was obsessed with

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neuroscience, with how the human brain works.

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I read that he actually carried a block of wood

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in his shirt pocket for months. He did, just

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to get the size and feel of his ideal device.

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right before they'd even built it. So he found

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Palm Computing in 1992, but, and this is a key

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detail I found in the notes, they don't start

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by making the Palm Pilot. That wasn't the first

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thing. No, not even close. Their first attempt

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was something called the Zoomer. Even the name

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sounds like it's trying way too hard to be cool

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in the 90s, the Zoomer. It really does. It sounds

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like a bad Saturday morning cartoon character,

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but the Zoomer is so important because it was

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a complete and utter disaster. Okay, so break

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it down. What was it? It was a consumer PDA,

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a personal digital assistant. But Palm didn't

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make the hardware. Casio did. The watch company.

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The watch and calculator company, yeah. Casio

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made the device, and it was distributed by Tandy,

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which owned RadioShack. Oh, RadioShack, okay.

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And the operating system, the core software,

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was provided by a company called GeoWorks, Palm's

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role. They were just hired to run the PM software.

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PMM, that's the personal information management.

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So the calendar, the address book, the to -do

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list. That's it. So just think about that structure

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for a second. You have Casio making the hardware

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in Japan. You have Pandy trying to sell it in

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American malls. You have GeoWorks doing the underlying

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OS. And then you have this tiny company, Palm,

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doing the main apps on top of all of that. That

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sounds like a classic too many cooks in the kitchen

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scenario. I mean, who is actually in charge of

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the user experience there? Nobody. And everybody.

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And that was precisely the problem. The device

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was slow, it was clunky, and the handwriting

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recognition, which was supposed to be the killer

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feature, it was terrible. Why was it so bad?

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It tried to recognize your natural cursive handwriting,

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but... The processors back then, they just couldn't

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handle the variance. So you'd write lunch with

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Bob and the Zoomer would interpret it as launch

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with blob or something equally useless. It was

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unusable. So the Zoomer hits the shelves and

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it just flops hard. It didn't just flop. It was

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a commercial catastrophe. And this is the moment

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where most startups just die. Right. You launch

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your one product. Nobody buys it. You run out

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of cash. You close the doors. But Palm didn't

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go under. Because they pivoted. And this is where

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the story gets really interesting to me. Hawkins

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looks at the wreckage of the Zoomer and realizes

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they have to completely change tactics. But they

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didn't have money to build a new device yet.

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Not at all. So they looked at what assets they

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actually had. They realized that while the Zoomer

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itself was a failure, the synchronization software

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they wrote, the code that let the device talk

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to a VC, that part was actually really solid.

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Ah, the sync. The sync. So they started selling

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that as a standalone product called Palm Connect.

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to other companies like hp for their devices

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it kept the lights on but the real breakthrough

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the big idea came from analyzing why the zoomer

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failed it wasn't just that the hardware was slow

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it was the input method correct hawkins had this

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incredible epiphany he realized that trying to

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teach a computer to read messy complicated human

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handwriting was a fool's errand The technology

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just wasn't there yet. So he completely flipped

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the problem on its head. Okay. He thought, why

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don't we teach humans how to write in a simple

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way that the computer can easily understand?

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And that is the birth of graffiti. Graffiti.

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It's absolutely iconic. For the listeners who

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are too young to remember this, we really have

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to explain how weird and brilliant this was.

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You didn't just write anywhere on the screen.

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There was a specific little box at the bottom

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of the display. Right. The silk screened area.

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One side for letters, one for numbers. And you

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had to learn a new alphabet. It wasn't hard,

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but it was specific. It was a new way of writing.

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It was a system of unistrokes. Single continuous

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strokes for each letter. Think about a capital

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A. Normally that's three separate strokes. You

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go slant up, slant down, then the crossbar. Right.

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In graffiti, the letter A was just upside down

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V, one continuous stroke. The letter F was like

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a backwards upside down L. By stripping away

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all the complexity. The computer could recognize

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the text instantly and with near 100 % accuracy.

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It sounds like it would be a huge hassle asking

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the user to basically learn a new language just

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to use their calendar. But people did it. I remember

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practicing my graffiti strokes. It felt like

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learning a secret code or something. It did.

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And because it was so reliable, you could get

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really fast. You could take notes in a meeting

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without even looking down at the device. It was

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a true aha moment for human -computer interaction.

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And they actually licensed the software out first,

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didn't they? They did. They sold graffiti to

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Apple for the Apple Newton message pad. Which

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is just deeply ironic considering the Newton

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was the big, expensive, over -engineered competitor

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that Palm eventually crushed. Completely. But

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the software wasn't enough. Hawkins knew that

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if they stayed a software -only company, they

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would always be at the mercy of hardware partners

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who didn't get it. Like Casio with the Zoomer.

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Exactly. That's the critical insight from the

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Zoomer failure. Hawkins, Dubinsky, and Colligan

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realized that if you want the product to be great,

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you have to control the whole widget. You can't

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just write codes for some brick that another

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company designed. You have to build the hardware

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and the software together so they sing in perfect

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harmony. But building hardware is insanely expensive.

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You need factories, supply chains, distribution.

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They were a tiny software startup in Los Altos.

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They needed a sugar daddy. Enter U .S. Robotics.

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Now, when I hear U .S. Robotics, I immediately

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think of that Will Smith movie, I, Robot. But

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in the 90s, they were the absolute kings of modems.

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That 56k dial -up screech, that iconic sound,

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that was U .S. Robotics. They were a massive

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connectivity company, and in 1995, they acquired

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Palm. So that gave Hawkins the money he needed.

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It gave the funding and the manufacturing expertise

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to finally build his dream device. And then because

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the 90s were just a wild time for corporate mergers

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and acquisitions, U .S. Robotics itself gets

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bought by 3Com in 1997. Right. So suddenly this

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little startup. Palm is now a tiny division inside

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a massive enterprise networking giant. Which

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seems like a weird fit. A very weird fit culturally,

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but it provided the financial stability they

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needed to launch the product that changed everything.

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The Palm Pilot. The Pilot 1000 and the Pilot

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5000. Let's talk about these devices. They seem

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so primitive now. They didn't have color screens.

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They didn't play music. They didn't connect to

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the internet. Why did people go absolutely crazy

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for them? Because they respected the user's time.

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That was the core philosophy. Hawkins wanted

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it to be a companion to your PC, not a replacement.

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It was designed to do a few things and do them

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instantly and perfectly. And the hot sync button.

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We have to talk about the button. The cradle.

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The cradle was genius. You'd get home from work.

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You'd put the pilot in this little plastic cradle

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connected to your PC. You'd press one physical

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button. And you'd hear that little bloop bloop

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sound. That sound. And everything matched. Your

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calendar on your desktop was now in your pocket.

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Your contacts were updated. It sounds so trivial

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today where everything is just magically in the

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cloud. But in 1996, that was pure magic. It just

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worked every single time. And the battery life.

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It ran on two AAA batteries. Regular batteries

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you could buy at any drugstore. store. And they

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lasted for weeks, not hours, not days, weeks.

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It was also instant on. You tap the screen and

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boom, your address book was there. There was

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no boot up sequence. It was literally faster

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than finding a page in a paper planner. It was

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a status symbol, too. I remember when the Palm

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V came out a bit later, that anodized aluminum

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chassis. Oh, the Palm V was gorgeous. It was

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so sleek. It was cold to the touch. It didn't

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feel like a toy. It felt like a piece of high

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end jewelry. The Palm V was absolutely the peak

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of that design era. It was beautiful. But here's

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the crazy part. While consumers were falling

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in love with these devices, the Trinity Hawkins,

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Dubinsky, Colligan, they were completely miserable

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inside the company. They were winning. They had

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over 60 % market share. They were absolutely

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crushing Microsoft's Windows CE devices. They

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were winning, but they felt like they were suffocating

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inside 3Com. 3Com was a big, boring infrastructure

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company. They cared about selling Ethernet switches

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and routers to corporations. They just didn't

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understand consumer electronics. They treated

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Palm like this weird, quirky side project. They

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wouldn't give Palm the resources or the independence

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it needed to grow as fast as the market demanded.

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So it all came to a head, a confrontation. A

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big one. Dubinsky and Hawkins basically went

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to the 3Com board and laid it all out. They said,

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spin us off. Let us be our own independent company.

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And 3Com flat out... said no. So they walked.

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In June of 1998, the founders, the people who

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invented the product, the soul of the company,

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they just stood up and walked right out the door.

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That is a boss move. But they didn't just retire

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to a beach in Hawaii. They did something incredibly

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aggressive. Oh, yeah. They immediately started

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a direct competitor, a company called Handspring.

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This is such a crucial chapter that often gets

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glossed over. They basically said, we're going

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to build a better Palm than Palm. I loved the

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handspring devices. They had those translucent

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colored plastic cases, kind of like the iMacs

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of the time. You could get them in blue or orange

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or graphite. Totally. They were fun. But the

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big innovation wasn't the color. It was that

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slot on the back. The springboard expansion slot.

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This is absolutely brilliant. The handspring

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visor had this big slot on the back where you

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could just plug in these hardware modules. And

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you could get anything. You could plug in a GPS

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receiver module. You could plug in a primitive

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digital camera module. You could plug in an MP3

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player module. I swear I remember seeing a module

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that was a massager, like a little vibrating

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massager that was powered by your PDA. There

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were definitely some weird ones. But the most

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important module, the one that pointed to the

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future, was a cellular radio. They made a module

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called the Visor Phone. Right. You plugged it

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into the back of your PDA and boom, the whole

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thing became a phone. That was the seed of the

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modern smartphone era right there. So let's just

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pause for a second and look at the landscape.

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You have the original founders over at Handspring

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innovating like crazy with these modules. And

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you have Palm still stuck inside 3Com, just kind

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of churning out slight iterations of the old

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pilot design. 3Com must have been kicking themselves.

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Well, if they weren't, the market was kicking

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them. Investors looked at 3Com and said, why

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are you holding on to this diamond? This is the

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hottest thing in tech. The dot -com bubble is

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inflating like crazy tech stocks are going bananas.

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Everyone wanted a piece of Palm. So 3Com finally

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caved. They had no choice. On March 1st, 2000,

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they spun Palm off as its own independent publicly

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traded company. March 1st, 2000. I feel like

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I know where this is going. That date is etched

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in financial history. That is literally the peak

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of the dot -com bubble. The absolute. tippy top

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of the peak and the IPO. It was pure madness.

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It was mania. On the first day of trading, Palm

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shares, ticker symbol Palm LM, hit an all -time

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high of $95 .06. $95 a share for a company making

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electronic calendars. To put that into perspective

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for you, at that exact moment, Palm the spinoff

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was worth more than 3Com, its own parent company.

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That makes no sense. Gets crazier. For a brief

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moment, Palm was worth more than General Motors.

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A company making little plastic organizers was

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valued higher than a company making millions

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of cars and trucks. That is the very definition

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of irrational exuberance. I remember reading

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that people were actually buying shares of 3Com

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just to get the Palm shares that were being distributed

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and then immediately dumping the 3Com stock.

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It created this bizarre negative value for the

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parent company. It did. It completely distorted

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the market. But, you know, gravity always wins.

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The bubble burst. The Nasdaq crashed. And because

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Palm was the poster child for this new mobile

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tech bubble, it got hammered the hardest. How

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bad was the fall? It was a complete free fall.

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Within just over a year, they lost 90 % of their

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value. 90%. By June of 2001, that $95 stock was

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trading at $6 .50. Ouch. That is legitimate financial

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whiplash. You go from being one of the most valuable

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companies in the world to basically a penny stock

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in 15 months. They were the worst performing

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PDA manufacturer on the NASDAQ. And right in

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the middle of this crash. The leadership at Palm,

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remember, the founders are gone. They're at handspring.

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They make a strategic decision that, in hindsight,

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I think sealed their fate. The great split. They

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decided to chop the company right in half. Right.

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In 2002, they made the call to separate the hardware

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business from the operating system business.

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They created a new company called Palm Source

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to make and license the OS. And the original

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hardware company was eventually renamed Palm

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Own. Okay, let's really unpack this. Why on earth

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would you do that? The entire lesson of the Zoomer

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was that you need to control both sides of the

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experience. Why would they voluntarily unintegrate

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themselves? It was pure Microsoft envy. You have

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to look at the world in 2002. Who was the biggest...

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richest, most powerful tech company on earth.

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Microsoft. Microsoft. And what was their business

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model? They made the operating system, Windows.

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They licensed it to everyone. Dell, HP, Compaq,

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Gateway. They didn't make the computers. They

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just collected the rent on the software. So Palm's

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executives looked at that and thought, we want

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to be the Microsoft of mobile. They wanted Sony

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and Samsung and Kyocera and even Handspring to

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pay them a licensing fee to use the Palm OS.

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Exactly. They thought the real money, the high

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margins, were in the software licensing. not

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in what they saw as the low -margin hardware

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business. It was a logical thought process for

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the time, but it was a fatal strategic error.

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Because it created a massive conflict of interest,

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right? It's a huge conflict. PalmSource, the

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software team, was legally obligated to treat

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Palm on the hardware team just like any other

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customer. They couldn't share roadmaps. They

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couldn't coordinate closely on new features.

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They were legally separate entities. It slowed

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everything down to an absolute crawl. It's like

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if Ford split into an engine company and a car

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body company and they were forbidden from talking

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to each other, you'd end up with engines that

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don't fit in the cars. That is a perfect analogy.

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That is exactly what started to happen. Innovation

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just stagnated. Meanwhile, while Palm was busy

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fighting with itself, the founders over at Handspring

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were struggling too. Why? They had great products.

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They had great products, but they just didn't

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have the scale to survive the brutal dot -com

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crash. They were running out of money. So in

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a twist fit for a soap opera, the two halves

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decide to get back together. The reunion. In

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October of 2003, Paul Moan, the hardware company,

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acquires Handspring. And in doing so, it brings

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Jeff Hawkins, Donna Dubinsky, and Ed Colligan

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back into the fold. The Trinity returns. They

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return. And they don't come empty -handed. They

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bring a gift. Hansbring had been working on a

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new type of device that would define the next

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five years of mobile computing. The Trio. The

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Trio, specifically the Trio 600. Now we are entering

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the modern era. I had a Trio 650. I loved that

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little brick. The Trio 600 was a complete revelation.

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Before that device... Smartphones were these

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weird, clunky, Frankenstein devices. They were

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either a phone with a terrible tiny screen or

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a PDA with a clunky radio bolted onto the side.

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Right. The Trio was the first device to integrate

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them perfectly. It was a great PDA. It was also

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a great phone. It had that little stubby antenna,

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which seems so retro now. And it had that full

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QWERTY keyboard with the smile layout. The smile

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layout. The keys were curved slightly upward

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at the edges to mimic the natural arc of your

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thumbs. It made typing on that tiny keyboard

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incredibly fast and accurate. And it had a physical

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switch on the top to silence the ringer. Which

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the iPhone totally stole, by the way. 100%. The

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Trio 600 and the 650 that followed were the absolute

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gold standard. For a few years there, from about

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2003 to 2006, if you were a business person,

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a lawyer, a real estate agent, a techie, you

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had a Trio on your hip. It was a BlackBerry killer

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before BlackBerry really took over the corporate

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world. But there was a ticking time bomb buried

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inside that trio, the operating system. Right.

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Remember the split? Palmone bought Handspring,

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but they didn't buy back the software company,

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PalmSource. PalmSource was still out there, an

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independent company, just drifting. Okay. And

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then in 2005, PalmSource got acquired by a Japanese

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company called Access S. So wait a minute. The

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operating system that runs the Trio, the very

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heart and soul of the device, is now owned by

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a completely different company in Japan that

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has no real strategic interest in making sure

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the Trio succeeds. Precisely. And not only that,

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but the OS was getting really old. It was built

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on code from 1996. It didn't support proper multitasking.

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It didn't support modern networking protocols

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well. The whole thing was being held together

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with digital duct tape. And the hardware company,

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which was now just called Palm again, they knew

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this. They were desperate. They needed a modern

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OS to compete. Desperate is the right word. And

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this leads to what I personally consider the

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biggest betrayal in the entire story. The TRIO

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700W. The W stands for Windows. It still hurts,

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just to say it out loud. In January 2006, Palm

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released a TRIO that was running Microsoft Windows

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Mobile. I remember watching the keynote address

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online. They brought Bill Gates out on stage

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with the Palm CEO. It felt like watching Luke

00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.039
Skywalker join the Empire. It was just wrong.

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Why did they do it? It was pure desperation.

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Verizon, which was a huge carrier partner, demanded

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it. Corporate IT departments were demanding it

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because they loved Microsoft Exchange Server.

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And Palm didn't have their own next generation

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OS ready yet. So they had to do something to

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stop the bleeding. They did. But it signaled

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to the world, to their most loyal fans, that

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Palm had lost its soul. They were now just another

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hardware company pushing Microsoft's clunky software.

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But secretly, steep in the labs in Sunnyvale,

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they were cooking something up. They knew Windows

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wasn't the answer. They knew the old Palm OS

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was dead. They needed a Hail Mary pass. Enter

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John Rubenstein. The podfather. The podfather

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himself. John Rubenstein was the legendary hardware

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engineering executive at Apple who led the team

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that created the iPod. He left Apple, and in

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2007, he joined Palm as executive chairman. And

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he brought a lot of that Apple DNA with him.

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He came in, looked at the absolute mess at Palm,

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and basically said, we need to burn the ships.

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We are starting over. We are building a brand

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new operating system from scratch. And that incredibly

00:22:24.890 --> 00:22:28.710
ambitious project became WebOS. This is the part

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of the story that just breaks my heart every

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time I think about it. WebOS. It was. It was

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magnificent. It was so far ahead of its time,

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truly. They unveiled it at the Consumer Electronics

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Show, CES, in January 2009, along with the first

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phone to run it, the Palm Pre. And the audience,

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which was full of jaded tech journalists, just

00:22:48.789 --> 00:22:51.789
gasped. I remember the river stoned it on. The

00:22:51.789 --> 00:22:54.970
phone was the smooth, black, curved pebble. It

00:22:54.970 --> 00:22:57.259
felt organic in your hand. But the software,

00:22:57.380 --> 00:22:59.559
let's talk about the cards metaphor. This was

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the genius of Matias Duarte, who was the design

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lead they hired away from Danger, the company

00:23:04.059 --> 00:23:06.339
that made the sidekick. Right. At the time, on

00:23:06.339 --> 00:23:09.220
the iPhone, multitasking didn't exist. If you

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pressed the home button, the app you were in

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just closed. You could only do one thing at a

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time. On WebOS, every app was a card. Like a

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playing card. Exactly. You could have your email

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open as a card, a web page open as another card,

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and your maps open as a third. You could swipe

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through them like a deck of cards. And to close

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an app, you just flick the card up and off the

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screen. Which is exactly how the iPhone and Android

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work today. It took Apple and Google years to

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copy that interface. Years. And they had Synergy.

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That was another killer feature. WebOS automatically

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pulled your contacts from Google, from Facebook,

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from LinkedIn, and it merged them all into one

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single profile for each person. Nobody else was

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doing that in 2009. The height for the Palm Pre

00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:50.740
was completely off the charts. The stock shot

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up from $3 to over $18. Everyone thought they

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did it. They're back. Palm saved the company.

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But then the launch happened. June 6, 2009. The

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fatal flaw wasn't the software. The software

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was incredible. It was the business strategy.

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They launched exclusively with one U .S. carrier.

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Sprint. Sprint. I mean, can you hear me now?

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Guy was Verizon. AT &amp;T had the exclusive on the

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iPhone. Sprint was the distant, struggling third

00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.799
place carrier. It was a suicide pact. It was

00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.720
an absolutely catastrophic decision. If you wanted

00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.160
this amazing new phone, you had to switch your

00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:27.420
whole family over to Sprint. And in 2009, nobody

00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:29.200
wanted to switch to Sprint. The network just

00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.279
wasn't great. And on top of that, the hardware

00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:33.579
build quality of the Pre itself was suspect.

00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.380
It was. There was something people called the

00:24:35.380 --> 00:24:38.279
Oreo effect. Right, the slider mechanism. Exactly.

00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:40.700
The phone was a vertical slider with a keyboard.

00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:44.079
But the mechanism was wobbly. If you twisted

00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.160
the phone in your hands, it felt like an Oreo

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.299
cookie sliding apart. The plastic felt cheap.

00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.079
The keys on the keyboard were these tiny, sharp

00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:53.960
little things. People reported they actually

00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:56.839
cut their fingers. So it just felt cheap compared

00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.059
to the solid glass and steel of the iPhone 3GS,

00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.460
which came out at the same time. It did. So you

00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:05.279
have this beautiful, futuristic software trapped

00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.220
in a mediocre hardware body locked to a struggling

00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:10.240
carrier. And they just ran out of time and money.

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:12.700
Completely. They burned through all their cash

00:25:12.700 --> 00:25:15.079
reserves marketing the prey. The sales were just

00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.099
okay, but nowhere near iPhone numbers. By early

00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:20.579
2010, the stock was back in the toilet. They

00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:22.819
were dead in the water and bleeding cash. They

00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:25.259
needed a buyer. They needed a white knight to

00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:28.039
ride in and save them. And who rides in? Hewlett

00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:32.230
Packard. HP. The Titan of Silicon Valley. In

00:25:32.230 --> 00:25:34.609
April of 2010, HP announced they were buying

00:25:34.609 --> 00:25:38.609
Palm for $1 .2 billion in cash. And at the time,

00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:39.990
this actually made a lot of sense to people.

00:25:40.089 --> 00:25:42.849
HP was the world's biggest PC maker. They had

00:25:42.849 --> 00:25:44.829
infinite money. They had global distribution

00:25:44.829 --> 00:25:47.450
channels. And they said all the right things.

00:25:47.549 --> 00:25:49.609
They said, we aren't just buying a phone company.

00:25:49.730 --> 00:25:52.170
We are buying WebOS to put it on everything.

00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:55.089
That was the scale argument. The CEO of HP at

00:25:55.089 --> 00:25:57.089
the time, Mark Hurd, said we're going to put

00:25:57.089 --> 00:26:00.049
WebOS on phones, on tablets, on netbooks, maybe

00:26:00.049 --> 00:26:02.269
even on our printers. They wanted to create a

00:26:02.269 --> 00:26:05.069
huge, unified ecosystem that could legitimately

00:26:05.069 --> 00:26:08.430
rival Apple's iOS. It was a bold vision. So we

00:26:08.430 --> 00:26:11.289
wait. A year goes by, 2011 arrives, and AGB finally

00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:14.029
launches the new lineup of webOS devices, the

00:26:14.029 --> 00:26:17.829
pre -3 phone, the tiny HP Veer phone, and the

00:26:17.829 --> 00:26:21.789
big one, the HP Touchpad. The Touchpad was supposed

00:26:21.789 --> 00:26:25.210
to be the iPad killer. It was the first and only

00:26:25.210 --> 00:26:28.730
tablet. to ever run webOS. And it thudded. It

00:26:28.730 --> 00:26:32.250
landed with a dull, sickening sud. The hardware

00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:35.130
was just not good. It was chunky, made of this

00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:38.450
thick, glossy black plastic that was a fingerprint

00:26:38.450 --> 00:26:41.190
magnet. It was heavy. And the app store was a

00:26:41.190 --> 00:26:44.170
ghost town. Right. No apps. All the developers

00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:46.569
were busy making apps for iOS and Android, which

00:26:46.569 --> 00:26:49.009
had millions of users. They didn't have the time

00:26:49.009 --> 00:26:51.430
or the resources to write apps for a third platform

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:54.289
that had almost no users yet. The sales were

00:26:54.289 --> 00:26:56.650
abysmal. I read a story that Best Buy was reportedly

00:26:56.650 --> 00:26:59.190
refusing to pay HP for their inventory because

00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:01.170
the touchpads were just piling up in the warehouse,

00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:03.869
unsold. And this brings us to the villain of

00:27:03.869 --> 00:27:06.710
our story, or at least the executioner, a man

00:27:06.710 --> 00:27:09.349
named Leo Apotheker. He'd taken over as the CEO

00:27:09.349 --> 00:27:11.750
of HP. He was a software guy from a German company

00:27:11.750 --> 00:27:14.349
called SAP. He never seemed to care about hardware

00:27:14.349 --> 00:27:16.670
at all. He looked at the balance sheet. He saw

00:27:16.670 --> 00:27:19.170
the touchpad division losing money. And he had

00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:23.569
zero patience for it. On August 18th, 2011, and

00:27:23.569 --> 00:27:26.049
you have to get this timing, literally 49 days

00:27:26.049 --> 00:27:28.410
after the touchpad launched, he pulled the plug.

00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:32.329
49 days. That is just insane. Most companies

00:27:32.329 --> 00:27:34.990
will give a new product a year, maybe two, to

00:27:34.990 --> 00:27:37.690
find its footing and build an audience. He killed

00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:41.410
it in seven weeks. Immediate termination. He

00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:43.809
went on an earnings call and announced that HP

00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:45.869
was stopping all production and sales of all

00:27:45.869 --> 00:27:49.049
webOS devices effective immediately. He basically

00:27:49.049 --> 00:27:52.869
lit $1 .2 billion on fire right in front of the

00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:55.190
shareholders. But then the weirdest thing happened.

00:27:55.329 --> 00:27:58.410
The fire sale. Because they had all these warehouses

00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:00.910
full of these now -dead tablets, HP announced

00:28:00.910 --> 00:28:04.049
they were dropping the price from $499 to just

00:28:04.049 --> 00:28:07.829
$99 to liquidate the remaining stock. And complete

00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:10.230
pandemonium broke out. I have never seen anything

00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:12.509
like it. People were literally camping out at

00:28:12.509 --> 00:28:15.289
Best Buy. Retail websites crashed under the load.

00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.099
For a week, the HP Touchpad became the number

00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:20.819
one selling tablet on Amazon, outselling the

00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:23.460
iPad, but only after it was canceled. It proved

00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:25.440
that people actually liked the device and the

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.339
software. They just didn't like it at the Apple

00:28:27.339 --> 00:28:30.119
price point. It was such a bitter, tragic irony

00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.759
for the WebOS engineering team. Suddenly, millions

00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.079
of people were using their software and loving

00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.099
it, right as they were all getting their pink

00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:40.099
slips. And we should mention the community that

00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:42.700
spurned up here. The homebrew scene for the touchpad

00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:44.680
was legendary. Oh, the community was incredible.

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:47.440
Because HP had abandoned the device, the users

00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.880
took it over. They hacked the touchpad to run

00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.440
Android on it. They kept the webOS activation

00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.059
servers alive for years through their own efforts.

00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.220
There are people today who still have a working

00:28:57.220 --> 00:28:59.480
touchpad in a drawer somewhere, running some

00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.299
custom build of Android. It generated... so much

00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:04.700
love. But the corporate suits just didn't care.

00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:08.039
And Leo Apotheker, the CEO who made this call,

00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.640
he got fired shortly after that, right? He lasted

00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.019
less than a year as CEO. He destroyed Palm. He

00:29:14.019 --> 00:29:16.339
oversaw a disastrous acquisition of a software

00:29:16.339 --> 00:29:18.519
company called Autonomy that turned out to be

00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.599
a massive fraud. He tanked HP's stock by 45 percent

00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.579
and he got the boot. Meg Whitman came in to clean

00:29:25.579 --> 00:29:27.660
up the mess, but Palm was already dead and buried.

00:29:27.819 --> 00:29:29.819
So let's look at the afterlife. The body parts

00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:32.200
of Palm were scattered to the winds after HP

00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:35.720
was done with them. They were. WebOS, the software,

00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:40.059
went on a very strange journey. HP eventually

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:43.779
sold the team and the source code to LG Electronics

00:29:43.779 --> 00:29:47.279
in 2013. Which is why if you go to a store today

00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.099
and you buy a high -end LG OLED TV, the smart

00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:53.960
TV interface it's running is webOS. You're using

00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.819
the great grandchild of the Palm Pre to watch

00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.079
Netflix. And it's actually a great TV interface.

00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:02.059
Those cards and the fluid navigation work really

00:30:02.059 --> 00:30:03.920
well on a big screen. So that's the software.

00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.259
What about the brand? The name Palm and that

00:30:06.259 --> 00:30:08.319
little orange logo? That was sold off separately.

00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.559
to a shelf company that was tied to TCL. TCL

00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.339
is a huge Chinese electronics manufacturer. They

00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:16.460
make TVs and they also make phones for other

00:30:16.460 --> 00:30:19.200
brands like Alcatel and, for a while, BlackBerry.

00:30:19.299 --> 00:30:21.319
And they tried to resurrect the Palm brand in

00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.099
2018 with that tiny little phone, the Palm phone.

00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:25.500
That was such a weird device. It was the size

00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:27.279
of a credit card. It ran a modified version of

00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.859
Android. But the marketing pitch was what was

00:30:29.859 --> 00:30:31.980
so fascinating. They didn't market it as your

00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.359
main phone. No, it was a companion to your big

00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.880
phone, a phone for your phone. Right. The idea

00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.799
was that you'd leave your big, distracting iPhone

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.000
at home. You'd take this tiny... Palm out to

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.859
dinner with you and you wouldn't be tempted to

00:30:42.859 --> 00:30:44.500
scroll through Instagram because the screen was

00:30:44.500 --> 00:30:46.660
just too small. It was trying to solve the problem

00:30:46.660 --> 00:30:49.240
that the original Palm Pilot solved. Digital

00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.579
complexity. But it was just too niche. And it

00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:55.500
was exclusive to Verizon. They repeated the Sprint

00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:58.660
mistake again. And it required its own separate

00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:02.339
monthly fee. It just flopped. It really seems

00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:05.319
like Palm was always cursed to be either Way

00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.480
too early to a market or just slightly wrong

00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.599
on the final execution. That's the recurring

00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.940
theme throughout this whole saga, isn't it? Yeah.

00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:15.099
They basically invented the PDA before the world

00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.700
was quite ready for it. They refined the smartphone

00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:19.960
right before the iPhone came and perfected it.

00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.660
They even tried to do a digital well -being phone

00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:25.559
years before people really started hating social

00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.319
media. They were the Cassandras of tech. They

00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.160
could see the future, but they could never quite

00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.029
capitalize on it. So we've gone from the zoomer

00:31:33.029 --> 00:31:36.130
to the pilot through the mania of the IPO, the

00:31:36.130 --> 00:31:38.710
absolute stupidity of the split, the brilliance

00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:41.509
of the trio, the tragedy of the pre, and now

00:31:41.509 --> 00:31:44.369
these zombie years. If we have to distill this

00:31:44.369 --> 00:31:46.950
whole epic story down to one key lesson for the

00:31:46.950 --> 00:31:49.170
listener, maybe for someone running a business

00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:51.750
today, what is it? I think the single biggest

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:54.490
lesson is about the danger of disintegration.

00:31:54.930 --> 00:31:58.849
That great split back in 2002 is the moment that

00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:01.890
I think put Palm on the path to ruin. You cannot

00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:04.250
separate the soul of the product, which is the

00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:06.589
software, from the body of the product, which

00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:08.210
is the hardware. Not if you want to make something

00:32:08.210 --> 00:32:11.509
truly great. Exactly. Apple understood this.

00:32:11.529 --> 00:32:14.089
Steve Jobs was famously pathologically obsessed

00:32:14.089 --> 00:32:16.710
with controlling the whole widget. Palm had that

00:32:16.710 --> 00:32:19.089
model, and then they voluntarily gave it up because

00:32:19.089 --> 00:32:21.490
they were trying to beat Microsoft in a world

00:32:21.490 --> 00:32:23.710
that was rapidly moving toward Apple's integrated

00:32:23.710 --> 00:32:25.990
model. It was a fundamental misreading of where

00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:27.930
the industry was going. It's the difference between

00:32:27.930 --> 00:32:30.210
a product designed by a committee and a product

00:32:30.210 --> 00:32:32.690
designed by a singular, coherent vision. That's

00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:36.029
it. When the Trinity was there, Hawkins, Dubinsky,

00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:39.690
Colligan, they had that singular vision. Simple.

00:32:40.009 --> 00:32:43.599
Fast. Fits in your pocket. When they left, and

00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.460
after the split, that vision got diluted by committees,

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:48.900
by licensing deals, by carrier requirements,

00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.579
by corporate politics. The soul left the building

00:32:51.579 --> 00:32:54.440
long before HP finally shut the lights off. It's

00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.960
a sad story, but in a weird way, it's also an

00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.779
inspiring one. Because every time you swipe up

00:32:59.779 --> 00:33:02.279
to close an app on your iPhone, or you see your

00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.660
contacts merge on Android, you are using a little

00:33:04.660 --> 00:33:07.480
piece of Palm's DNA. They may be gone. But they

00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.299
are absolutely not forgotten. Their influence

00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:11.480
is everywhere. And on that note, I think I'm

00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.279
going to go on to eBay and see if I can find

00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.140
a working Palm V for my desk. I miss that green

00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:18.460
backlight. Just don't try to connect it to your

00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:21.160
Wi -Fi. It probably won't end well. Fair enough.

00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.680
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. Always

00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:25.099
a pleasure. Catch you in the next one.
