OK, let's unpack this. We have covered a lot
of ground on this show before. We've looked at
corporate collapses. We've looked at the psychology
of cults. And we've certainly dabbled in the
world of high stakes crime. We have. But the
stack of sources we are working with today, it
feels different. It feels like we are reading
the rough draft of a John Le Carre novel that
was updated for the digital age and then, you
know. rejected by Hollywood for being just a
little too implausible. It does strain credulity,
doesn't it? I mean, if you pitched this as fiction,
a story involving a multibillion dollar fake
cryptocurrency, a glamorous Oxford educated genius,
a disappearing act involving a budget airline
and a potential grisly execution by a Bulgarian
drug lord. Right. You would be laughed out of
the room. But every single piece of paper in
front of us says this is the reality. We are
talking, of course, about Ruhegntova to the tabloids
and the victims. She is. the crypto queen to
the fbi she is one of the 10 most wanted fugitives
on the planet and that is where i want to start
because that list isn't something you get on
for you know parking violations it is a reserved
seating area for the worst of the worst we are
talking about cartel leaders terrorists people
who have committed heinous violent crimes exactly
For a white -collar criminal, a fraudster, to
make that list is incredibly rare. And for a
woman to make that list is even rarer. I believe
she's one of the only women to ever be placed
on it since its inception in 1950. And the Bureau
recently decided to turn up the heat significantly.
For the longest time, the reward was a standard,
albeit hefty, $100 ,000. Yeah, then it went up
a bit. Then it went to a quarter million. But
as of June 2024, the reward for information leading
to the arrest of Ruscha Ignatova is $5 million.
That number tells us a story in itself. I mean,
wow. You don't put a $5 million bounty on someone
unless you're desperate to close the case. Or
unless you believe that the network protecting
them is so sophisticated that only a life -changing
amount of money will crack it. That is, turn
on your boss money. That is, betray the mafia
money. It speaks to the sheer scale of the damage,
doesn't it? We are talking about a few million
dollars missing from a hedge fund. We are talking
about one coin. Oh, yeah. If you were anywhere
near the Internet between 2014 and 2017, you
couldn't escape it. It was going to be the Bitcoin
killer. That was the pitch. And the Times didn't
mince words when they look back at it. They called
it one of the biggest scams in history. And the
numbers are just staggering. The estimates vary
because the books were cooked so thoroughly.
But we are looking at roughly $4 billion, potentially
much more, siphoned from investors globally.
And the tragedy of that $4 billion isn't just
wealthy venture capitalists taking a haircut.
We'll get into the demographics later. But the
sources paint a devastating picture of where
this money came from. It's heartbreaking. We're
talking about people in rural Uganda, people
in the Rust Belt of America, people in crowded
cities in China, people who frankly couldn't
afford to lose $100, let alone their life savings.
It was a transfer of wealth from the desperate
and the hopeful to a small cabal of criminals
operating out of Sofia and Dubai. And then the
Vanishing Act. October 2017. She boards a Ryanair
flight. which is a detail I still can't get over,
the banality of it. The Ryanair flight. From
Sofia to Athens. She lands. And then she effectively
ceases to exist. And that is the fork in the
road for our investigation today. Because for
years, the prevailing theory, the one the FBI
still officially operates under, is that she
pulled off the ultimate getaway. Right, the mastermind
theory. That she is sipping champagne on a yacht,
maybe with a new nose and chin, hiding in plain
sight. But the alternative, the alternative is
much, much darker. The talkie theory. The talkie
theory. The idea that she didn't escape, but
was silenced. And not just silenced, but brutally
murdered and destroyed. disposed of by the very
organized crime figures she thought were protecting
her. So our mission today is to navigate this
labyrinth. We need to deconstruct how a woman
who was arguably a genius, and I don't use that
word lightly, went from a top tier legal career
to becoming a global pariah. We need to look
under the hood of the one coin machine to see
how it actually worked or rather how it didn't
work. And finally, we have to confront that.
terrifying possibility regarding her fate. It
is a heavy journey, but I think it reveals so
much about the nature of greed, the blind spots
in our financial systems, and the very thin line
between white -collar crime and the violent underworld.
Okay, so let's rewind the clock. Before the diamonds,
before the yachts, before the FBI posters, let's
look at Ruja Ignatova, the child. Right. Because
usually when we profile scammers, we see a history
of petty crime, maybe a lack of education or
a desperate need to climb out of a hole. But
Rouge's resume reads like she was being groomed
to run the World Bank, not a Ponzi scheme. It
is the ultimate paradox of her character. She
was born in Ruse, Bulgaria in 1980 to a Romani
family. Her father was an engineer, her mother
a teacher, so, you know, an educated background.
A solid foundation. But the pivotal moment comes
when she is 10 years old. The Iron Curtain has
fallen, the Eastern Bloc is opening up, and her
family emigrates to Germany. And we have to pause
on that dynamic. Moving from post -communist
Bulgaria to Schramberg Germany in the early 90s.
That is a massive cultural shock. Huge. You are
an outsider. You are an immigrant. And you are
arguably starting with a deficit in terms of
social capital. Precisely. And in that environment,
Ruja didn't just adapt. She conquered. We have
transmits and notes from her teachers in Schramberg.
One of them went on record saying she was simply
the smartest student he had ever taught. The
smartest ever. Ever. She was skipping grades.
She was devouring the curriculum. She was mastering
the language. She was, by all accounts, a phenomenon.
But there is a dark undercurrent to that brilliance.
Yeah. You flagged a specific entry from her school
book in the notes. And I want to spend a moment
on this because it feels like a Rosebud moment.
It feels like the first crack in the mask. It
is chilling. It's so revealing. She was writing
a short bio of herself for a school project.
She starts off with the standard good girl narrative.
She writes, I am always well -behaved and cheerful
and describes herself as faultless. The kind
of thing a teacher wants to hear. Exactly. The
perfect student. But then she breaks character.
On the page. Literally interrupts herself on
the page. She writes, stop. Maybe we should stick
to the truth. Okay, fine. Maybe I did take pleasure
in tormenting some students. Pleasure in tormenting.
Yeah. And she continues, I was always looking
for the chance to spread new, amusing stories
about them. That is not just teenage mean girl
behavior. That suggests a fundamental disconnect
in empathy. It suggests that she viewed her intelligence
not just as a tool for success, but as a weapon
to manipulate those around her who weren't as
sharp. It is a glimpse into a Machiavellian mindset
forming in real time. She recognized that she
could control narratives, spread amusing stories,
and that she derived satisfaction from the power
imbalance. You're right. If you fast forward
20 years, she's doing the exact same thing, just
on a global stage with billions of dollars instead
of schoolyard rumors. It's the same playbook.
But despite that glimpse of darkness, the academic
train kept rolling. She gets a scholarship to
the University of Constance. She earns a Ph .D.
in private international law in 2005. And I want
to be clear for the listener. This wasn't a mail
order degree. Oh, no. This was legitimate, rigorous
scholarship. Her dissertation topic is fascinating
in hindsight. Lex cause a in conflict of laws.
Which sounds incredibly dense. It is. But to
simplify a very complex legal concept, she was
studying which jurisdictions laws apply when
a legal case crosses international borders. Which
is essentially the how -to guide for international
evasion. You couldn't write a better backstory
for a future fugitive. She spent years analyzing
the seams and the loopholes between different
countries' legal systems. She understood where
the gray areas were. She understood how to structure
companies so that liability was impossible to
pin down. She wasn't just breaking the law later
on. She was hacking it. Yes, that's the perfect
word for it. She also picks up a master's degree
in European law from Oxford University. So now
she has the German PhD and the Oxford credential.
Just absolute powerhouse of a resume. And then
she lands at McKinsey & Company in Sofia. Now,
for our audience, we don't need to explain what
McKinsey is. You know the reputation. It's the
boot camp for the corporate elite. The best of
the best. If you make it at McKinsey, you are
set. You have the golden ticket. You are solving
complex problems for the biggest entities in
the world. The rigorous analytical grooming that
happens there is legendary. It is not a place
for sloppy thinkers. So she has it all. The pedigree,
the intellect, the career path. She could have
been a CEO of a Fortune 500 company. She could
have been a high -ranking diplomat. Why make
the jump? Why go from the legitimate fast track?
To the gray zone. I think it comes down to speed
and maybe a bit of that arrogance we saw in the
school book. The corporate ladder, even for a
superstar, takes time to climb. You have to put
in the years, play the game. Right. There are
rules. The gray zone, the world of high -yield
investment programs and questionable financial
structures, offers instant gratification. We
see the shift around 2012. It starts with her
father, Plamyn Ignatov. They acquire a company,
a metalworking foundry, I believe, and it goes
bankrupt under very suspicious circumstances.
It was a classic bust out. They bought a struggling
company, loaded it with debt, stripped all the
valuable assets, and then let it collapse, leaving
the creditors with nothing. And she was caught.
She was. In 2012, she was convicted of fraud
in Germany in connection with that bankruptcy.
She received a suspended sentence of 14 months.
Now most people if they are that close to prison,
especially someone with her background, would
be scared straight. Absolutely. They would retreat
back to the safety of legal consulting. But Ruja
seems to have taken a different lesson from it.
The lesson she likely learned was, I didn't dream
big enough. Or perhaps I need to structure it
better next time. Because almost immediately
after, in 2013, she gets involved with something
called Bitcoin. Bitcoin. It sounds like a generic
brand soda version of Bitcoin. It essentially
was. It was a multi -level marketing scheme selling
a digital currency. It failed pretty quickly.
But for Ruja, it was the prototype. It was the
dress rehearsal. She saw the potential. She saw
the mechanics of how you could combine the fervor
of MLM, that religious zeal of network marketing,
with the mystery of cryptocurrency. She realized
that if she could package it better, if she could
be the charismatic face of it, the potential
was limitless. And that brings us to 2014, the
launch of OneCoin. And the timing here is critical.
Perfect timing. We're in the post. 2013 Bitcoin
boom. People have heard the stories of the pizza
guy who spent 10 ,000 bitcoins on two pizzas,
which were now worth millions. The fear of missing
out was palpable in the air. FOMO is a powerful
drug. Rusha Ignatoba didn't just sell a product,
she sold a second chance. Her pitch was specifically
designed for people who felt they had missed
the boat on the internet boom, missed the boat
on Bitcoin, and were looking for that one winning
lottery ticket. She stood on stage. And we have
to talk about the presentation. Oh, the spectacle.
The ball gowns, the diamonds, the pyrotechnics.
She looked like a movie star. She commanded the
room and you told them Bitcoin is for the geeks.
Bitcoin is for the anarchists. One coin is for
you. She positioned it as the Bitcoin killer.
But the genius of the pitch was in the friction
or rather the lack of it. If you wanted to buy
Bitcoin in 2014, it was a hassle. It was really
hard. You needed to understand private keys.
You needed to set up a wallet. You had to deal
with shady exchanges. It was intimidating for
a layperson. Ruja said, forget all that. She
said, we will do the technical stuff. You just
send money to this bank account and we will credit
your account on our website with one coin. It
was centralized. It was easy. And that convenience
was the trap. Because, and this is the part that
still blows my mind every time I review the technical
specs, there was no blockchain. None. Zero. Zip.
How do you run a cryptocurrency without a blockchain?
That's like saying you're running a library,
but there are no books, just a guy describing
books to you. That is a perfect analogy. A cryptocurrency,
by its very definition, relies on a distributed
ledger. A blockchain is a transparent, immutable
record of transactions that no single person
controls. Right. OneCoin was in SQL database.
It was a spreadsheet on a server in Bulgaria,
which means Rusha Ignatova and her inner circle
had God mode access. If they wanted the price
of OneCoin to go up. They didn't need market
forces. They just typed a new number into the
column. Today it is five euros. Tomorrow it is
six euros. Exactly. And the investors would log
in, see the number go up, and get a dopamine
hit. Look how much money I'm making. But it was
a simulation. It was a video game economy. passing
itself off as high finance. Precisely. But because
she had the credentials, the Oxford degree, the
McKinsey resume people suspended their disbelief.
They thought, well, she is a genius lawyer. She
must have figured out a new technology that's
better than blockchain. The trust me factor was
off the charts. And to distribute this, she used
the multilevel marketing structure, the network.
This was the viral engine. In a traditional Ponzi
scheme, the fraudster has to constantly find
new victims themselves. Which is hard work. In
an MLM, the victims become the perpetrators.
You recruit your cousin, your neighbor, your
church group. Because you get a commission on
their investment, it weaponizes trust. It does.
You aren't buying one coin because you trust
Ruja, this woman in a ball gown you've never
met. You're buying it because you trust your
Uncle Bob who told you about it at Thanksgiving.
And it went global instantly. The documents show
funds pouring in from everywhere. China was obviously
a massive market. Billions came out of there.
A huge portion. But we also see significant activity
in Brazil, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Yemen, Palestine,
Norway, Canada. I mean, the list is endless.
It creates a truly diverse portrait of victimization.
And this is where the story gets heavy. It is
easy to look at the glitz in the yacht, but the
money paying for that yacht came from real suffering.
We have reports of people in rural Uganda selling
their livestock, families selling their ancestral
land. These are people living in subsistence
economies. Being told that this digital coin
is their ticket to the modern world. There is
a heartbreaking account of a village where almost
everyone bought in. They were promised that their
investment would double, triple. They were waiting
for the day one coin would go public and they
could cash out. And they are still waiting. They
are still waiting. Meanwhile, Ruja is buying
the Davina. The yacht. A 44 -meter luxury vessel.
She's buying penthouses in Kensington. She's
buying a mansion in Sofia and filling it with
custom furniture and priceless art. The wealth
transfer was... She was living like a queen,
literally the crypto queen, while her investors
were slipping into destitute poverty. And she
kept this illusion alive for a surprisingly long
time, from 2014 to late 2017. That's three years.
A long time in the crypto world. But the cracks
were forming. You can't fake a blockchain forever.
Eventually, people want to sell. They want their
money out. That is the math of the Ponzi. You
can delay withdrawals. You can create lockup
periods. You can say, we are preparing for the
IPO. But eventually, the demand for cash exceeds
the cash on hand. And governments were starting
to notice. Simultaneously, the regulators were
waking up. Banks were closing their accounts
because of money laundering flags. Law enforcement
in Germany and the U .S. were starting to share
files. The walls were closing in. Which brings
us to October 2017. The climax. There is a massive
event scheduled in Lisbon, Portugal. The promoters
are there. The investors are there. The energy
is high. Everyone is waiting for Dr. Ruzsa to
come out and give the roadmap for the future.
And she is a no -show. That must have been the
moment the panic set in for the inner circle.
I can only imagine the chaos. But Ruzsa wasn't
in Lisbon. On October 25, 2017, she was in Sofia.
And she was making moves. Why did she run on
that specific day? Was it just intuition? or
something more. It is highly probable she was
tipped off. And this introduces a character who
really cements the spy thriller aspect of this
case, Frank Schneider. The spy chief. Yes. Frank
Schneider was the former head of operations for
Luxembourg's intelligence service. He was a man
who knew how the deep state worked, how investigations
were conducted, and how to evade them. And he
was on Ruge's payroll. He was her crisis manager.
I mean, think about that for a second. A cryptocurrency
scammer hiring a former national intelligence
director. That is a level of sophistication you
don't see in your average fraud case. It's unbelievable.
The U .S. prosecutors have alleged that Schneider
provided her with confidential police reports.
He essentially gave her the playbook of the people
chasing her. He reportedly told her the window
is closing. If you stay, you will be arrested.
So she makes the decision. She leaves her office
in Sofia. She leaves her mansion. And most disturbingly,
she leaves her family. Her husband, a German
lawyer named Bjorn Strahl. And their daughter.
Who was just a baby at the time. The daughter
was born in 2016. She was barely a toddler. Ruja
Ignatova boarded that Ryanair flight to Athens
alone. The Ryanair detail always sticks with
me. You have billions of dollars. You can charter
a Gulfstream. You can buy a plane. Why fly a
budget commercial airline? It might have been
tradecraft. Private jets leave a very specific
paper trail. They require flight plans that are
easily tracked by authorities. Good point. A
commercial flight. bought under a slightly different
name or just getting lost in the crowd of tourists
offers a certain anonymity. It's the hide in
the herd strategy. So she lands in Athens. There
are cameras that catch her at the airport. And
that is it. That is the cliff edge. After Athens,
the screen goes black. The trail goes cold immediately.
She lands and presumably she's met by someone
where she gets in a car and drives to a port
or she gets on another plane. But from that moment
in October 2017, there has been no confirmed,
verified sighting of Ruha Ignatova. But the machine
didn't stop just because a driver jumped out.
Her brother, Konstantin Ignatov -Konsti. Took
the wheel. Poor Consti. And I use poor loosely
because he was complicit, but he was clearly
the patsy. He seems totally out of his depth.
He was the beta to Rouge's alpha. He didn't have
her brilliance and he certainly didn't have her
exit strategy. He took over the public face of
OneCoin telling everyone, Rouge is just taking
a break. She's working on the back end. Everything
is fine. That didn't last long. No. Yeah. The
FBI caught up with him at Los Angeles International
Airport in March of 2019. He was arrested and
the house of cards collapsed. And he started
talking. He pleaded guilty to fraud and money
laundering. He ended up cooperating, singing
like a canary to the feds, likely because he
realized his sister had left him holding the
bag for a multibillion dollar international criminal
enterprise. The betrayal there, she should experience.
She saves herself and leaves her brother to face
the U .S. justice system. It reinforces that
psychological profile we talked about earlier,
the pleasure in tormenting, or at least the absolute
priority of self -preservation above all human
connection, even family. So Consti is in custody.
The DOJ unseals the indictment in 2019. Wire
fraud, securities fraud, money laundering. The
potential sentence is basically life 90 years.
It is a hammer blow. And the Germans are issuing
red notices through Interpol. The world is looking
for her, but she's a ghost. And that brings us
to the status update. June 2022, the FBI elevates
her to the 10 most wanted list. It was a significant
press conference. They made it clear that they
consider her a continuing threat. And the gender
aspect is notable. She stands out on a list usually
populated by violent men. It shows that the Bureau
views financial crimes of this magnitude as a
form of violence in themselves. The very real
violence. And now the $5 million reward. Which
leads us to the ultimate question. Who collects
it? Because that money implies that someone knows
where she is. Or where she was. Right. So let's
look at the theories. Theory one, the mastermind.
This is the gone girl theory. She is alive. This
is what the FBI believes, or at least it is their
operational stance. Special Agent Paul Roberts
has been very clear that they are hunting a living
fugitive. And the logic holds water. She got
away with a massive amount of liquidity. We aren't
sure exactly how much, but certainly hundreds
of millions in cash. crypto and diamonds. With
that kind of capital, the world is your oyster.
You can buy a diplomatic passport from a corrupt
nation. You can undergo extensive plastic surgery,
change your jawline, your nose, the color of
your eyes. Change your fingerprints even. You
can live in a compound in Dubai where extradition
is difficult. You can live on a yacht in international
waters, resupplied by tenders, never stepping
foot on land. It is the ultimate fantasy of the
criminal mastermind. Yeah. Defeating the system
and living in luxury. But... There is a fly in
the ointment. A big one. Even with a new face,
even with billions, it is hard to stay hidden
for seven years. People talk. Maids talk. Crew
members on yachts talk. Especially when the reward
is $5 million. That tests loyalty. Which is why
many observers, including some very brave Bulgarian
journalists, are leaning towards Theory 2. The
murder theory. This takes us into the dark heart
of the Bulgarian underworld. We have to talk
about Hristoforas Nikosamanatidis, better known
as Taki. Taki. He's not a tech bro. He's not
a banker. No. Taki is a legendary figure in Bulgarian
organized crime, allegedly involved in cocaine
trafficking, protection rackets, the works. He's
considered one of the most powerful and feared
drug lords in the country. So he was her protector.
Initially, yes. The reporting suggests that when
Ruja needed security, when she needed to launder
the dirty cash coming out of one coin, she turned
to Taki's organization. He provided the muscle.
He provided the logistics to move her from Sofia
to Athens. But the theory is that the relationship
soured. Dramatically. Why kill the golden goose?
She was bringing in billions. Because a golden
goose that is being hunted by the FBI, Interpol,
and half the world's intelligence agencies becomes
a radioactive goose. She knew too much. She knew
where all the bodies were buried, financially
speaking. She knew how Taki's operation laundered
money. If she was caught, if she was squeezed
by the Americans like her brother was, she could
trade Taki to save herself. She was a liability.
A massive one. And the Bird Report, that stands
for the Bureau of Investigative Reporting and
Data, published a bombshell in 2023. They got
their hands on police documents that cited an
informant. This is the drunk brother -in -law
story. It is grimly classic. The informant claimed
to have overheard Georgie Vasilev, who is Taki's
brother -in -law, speaking while heavily intoxicated.
And in that drunken state, Vasilev allegedly
confessed that Ruja Ignatova had been killed
in November 2018, about a year after she vanished.
She was in hiding for a year. protected by them,
and then they decided she was too much of a risk.
That's the theory. And the details provided were
specific. The allegation is that she was on a
yacht in the Ionian Sea. She was murdered. And
then, to ensure she was never found, her body
was dismembered and thrown overboard. Chopped
up and tossed into the sea. That is a message.
That isn't just a killing. That is an erasure.
It is a brutal final solution. It solves the
problem of the body. It solves the problem of
the witness. And it explains why, despite the
massive reward and the global manhunt, there
has been zero credible proof of life since 2017.
And there is collateral damage that supports
this theory. The danger is real. We mentioned
Krezmir Keminov, known as Kuro. Kuro was another
major figure in the Bulgarian underworld, a rival
to Taki in some respects. The word on the street
was that he was preparing to talk to the Americans.
About Ruja? He had information about her fate,
and he was going to leverage it, likely to get
a deal for himself. And what happened to him?
In May 2023, hitmen entered his home in an upscale
suburb of Cape Town, South Africa. They executed
him, his wife, and two others. It was a professional,
military -style hit. That sends a chilling signal.
If you talk about Ruja, you die. It certainly
suggests that there are powerful people who are
very invested in keeping the truth regarding
her disappearance buried. If she was just hiding
on a beach, why wipe out a crime boss in South
Africa who wanted to talk about her? It implies
there is a secret worth killing for. A multi
-billion dollar secret. So we are left with this
Schrodinger's cat situation. She's either the
most successful fugitive in history, living the
high life while the FBI chases shadows. War.
Or she has been dead for years, betrayed by the
sharks she tried to swim with. It is a mystery,
wrapped in a scam, wrapped in a tragedy. And
frankly, both outcomes are disturbing. Let's
spend our final few minutes reflecting on what
this all means, because we started this deep
dive talking about a prodigy, a girl who could
have been anything. That duality is what sticks
with me. You look at the photos of her at Oxford
in her graduation gown looking proud and legitimate,
and then you look at the photos of her in the
ball gowns hawking a fake coin. It is a tragedy
of wasted potential. She had the intellect to
cure cancer or fix the energy crisis or negotiate
peace treaties. She chose to steal. And not just
steal, but to exploit trust on an industrial
scale. OneCoin didn't just hurt wallets. It hurt
the concept of innovation. It took the excitement
people felt about a new technology cryptocurrency
and weaponized it against them. It made people
cynical. It made people afraid to trust the next
big idea. It really did. And it preyed on the
vulnerable. That schoolbook entry, Pleasure in
Tormenting, it manifested as a pleasure in dominating.
She dominated the uneducated, the hopeful, the
desperate. She looked at a farmer in Uganda and
saw a mark. That is a specific kind of evil.
It is. It is the evil of the predator who wears
a suit, or in her case, a diamond -encrusted
gown. So where do we leave the listener? The
case is technically open. The FBI reward is active.
Europol had her on their most wanted list for
a bit, then took her off for some reason, which
is a whole other mystery. Yeah, that was strange.
But I think we leave them with the question of
justice. If the talkie theory is true, if she
was murdered on that yacht, is that justice?
Is being killed by your criminal associates a
fitting punishment? Or is it an escape? Exactly.
Is it an escape? Because if she is dead, she
never had to sit in a courtroom. She never had
to look her victims in the eye. She never had
to serve a day in prison. The secrets of where
the billions went would have died with her. Precisely.
The money is likely gone, absorbed into the dark
economy. The victims get no restitution, no closure.
And if she is alive? If she is alive, then she
is the ultimate test case for the axiom that
crime doesn't pay. Because right now, for her,
it... pay billions if she is sitting in a villa
watching cnn seeing her face on the most wanted
list with a five million dollar price tag i wonder
if she feels fear or if she feels that same arrogance
she felt as a 10 year old in schramberg i'm smarter
than all of you that has always been her driving
force well if you are listening ruja and hey
we have a global audience so who knows the fbi
is looking for you and for everyone else if you
know something that five million dollars is real
And for the rest of us, it's a reminder. If someone
promises you a guaranteed return, that will change
your life. And they tell you not to worry about
the technical details. Stay skeptical. Stay curious.
And thanks for diving deep with us. Until next
time.