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You know how it starts. It's almost always the

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same. You're just, I don't know, scrolling through

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your phone looking at Instagram or something

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and a message pops up. Uh -huh. And it's a name

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you haven't seen in a while. Exactly. It's a

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name you recognize, but not, you know, from your

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day to day life. Maybe it's someone from high

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school biology class 10 years ago or a distant

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cousin you only see at weddings. The classic

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blast from the past. Right. And the message,

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it's so friendly. It's it's really enthusiastic.

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There are always a ton of emojis, sparkles, rocket

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ships, you know, the ones it starts with something

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like. Hey, hon, or long time no see. And you

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think, oh, that's nice of them to reach out.

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Yeah, you think they want to catch up. But then

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the pivot. There's always a pivot. There's always

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a pivot. Yeah. The small talk is just the runway

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for the actual pitch. And suddenly it's not about

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your job or your family anymore. It's about a

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business opportunity. They found this amazing

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way to achieve financial independence. And they

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want to share it with you. They want to help

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you live the lifestyle you deserve. Yes, you

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can be your own boss. You can retire in your

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30s. It's this incredible script. It is a script.

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And it's one that has been rehearsed and repeated

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millions and millions of times all over the world.

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It plays on these very deep, very universal desires.

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I mean, who doesn't want financial freedom? Of

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course. Who doesn't want to be their own boss?

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Exactly. But what they're pitching, it's almost

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never just the product. They are pitching a dream.

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And so today we are going to look past that pitch.

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We're going to look past the shiny Instagram

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posts, the cars they supposedly bought, the motivational

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quotes. We are doing a deep dive into the world

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of multilevel marketing. You probably know it

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as MLM. Right. MLM. Or maybe you've heard it

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called network marketing or interactive distribution

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or even referral marketing. They have a lot of

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names. They do. And if you talk to the critics

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and believe me, there is a very loud, very. data

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driven community of critics, you'll hear it called

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something else entirely, which is pyramid selling.

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And that's really the big question we're trying

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to tackle today, isn't it? Is this a legitimate

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path to being an entrepreneur? Is it a misunderstood

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business model that actually empowers people?

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Or is it just a pyramid scheme with a much better

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PR department? It feels like a complicated question,

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but I think you're right. The answer has to be

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in the data. It is. It's all in the data. We

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have a huge stack of sources for this one. We're

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going to be looking at rulings from the Federal

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Trade Commission, the FTC, right here in the

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U .S. We're going to look at some statistical

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studies on income that are, frankly, shocking.

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And we're going global, too. We're looking at

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outright bans in China and even religious decrees

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about it in Saudi Arabia. We are. We're covering

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the mechanics, the math, the law, and the culture

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that surrounds this entire industry. Okay, so.

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Let's start at the beginning. Let's unpack this.

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What exactly is multi -level marketing? How is

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it different from just, you know, getting a normal

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sales job? That's the perfect place to start.

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To really get the controversy, you have to understand

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the structure. At its very core, an MLM is a

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strategy where a company uses a non -salaried

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workforce to sell its products or services. Okay,

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non -salaried workforce. That's a very polite

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way of saying they don't get a regular paycheck.

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They do not. They are not employees. That is

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a critical point. They are independent contractors.

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You'll hear them called all sorts of things.

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Distributors, associates, independent business

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owners, affiliates. But at the end of the day,

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it means no guaranteed hourly wage, no benefits.

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No benefits. You eat what you kill, so to speak.

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Your income is entirely based on performance.

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Which, to be fair, isn't that unusual for some

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sales jobs, right? I mean, real estate agents

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worked on commission. Car salespeople often work

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on commission. That's absolutely true. But here

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is the critical. fundamental distinction. In

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a typical MLM, there are two separate ways to

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make money, two revenue streams. And the way

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these two streams interact, that's what makes

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it multi -level. Okay, so what's the first stream?

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The first stream is simple sales commissions.

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This is the part everyone understands. So the

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company makes, say, vitamins. I buy a box of

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vitamins from them at a wholesale price. I turn

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around and sell it to my neighbor for the retail

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price. I keep the difference. Exactly. That's

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the direct selling part of it. It's the, you

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know, the classic Avon lady model from back in

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the day. It's the Tupperware party from the 1950s.

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If the business stopped right there, we wouldn't

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be having this conversation. But it doesn't stop

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there. It does not. Because then you have the

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second revenue stream, recruitment. commissions

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ah this is where the downline comes into play

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this is where the downline comes in you are not

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just incentivized to sell the product you are

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incentivized and often heavily incentivized to

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recruit other people to join the company as distributors

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under you so i sign up my friend jane and when

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you recruit jane she becomes part of your downline

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now you earn a percentage of all of jane's sales

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but it goes deeper when jane recruits her friend

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bob Bob is now in your downline, too. Even though

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I've never met Bob. You've never met him. But

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you get a piece of his sales. And when Bob recruits

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Steve and Steve recruits Mary, you get a small

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piece of all of it. So you end up with this expanding

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triangle of people underneath you. You end up

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with a pyramid -shaped structure. Yes. The compensation

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flows up. The person at the top earns a small

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percentage of the total sales volume generated

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by the entire organization below them. And this

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creates something that researchers call an incentive

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shift. An incentive shift. Okay, break that down

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for me. What's shifting? Well, just think about

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it logically. You only have so many hours in

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a day, right? There are only so many boxes of

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vitamins you can personally sell to your friends

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and your family and your neighbors. Your personal

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sales are finite. They're limited by your own

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time and energy. Sure. I can only knock on so

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many doors. But your recruitment potential, in

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theory, that's exponential. If you can build

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a massive team of hundreds or even thousands

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of people, Well, then you can earn money while

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you sleep. That's the passive income dream they're

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always selling. Make money while you're on the

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beach. That's the pitch, 100%. So while the company's

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official line is that the business is about selling

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great products, the compensation plan, the math

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that actually determines how big your check is,

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is telling you something different. It's telling

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you to focus on recruiting. So you stop trying

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to find customers for the shampoo. And you start

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trying to find... Other sellers of the shampoo.

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The incentive literally shifts from selling a

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product to selling the business of selling a

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product. Precisely. And that creates a really

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fundamental and I think bizarre conflict of interest.

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Think about it. If you own a successful coffee

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shop on a street corner, the last thing you want

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to do is open another coffee shop right next

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door and teach the new owner your secret recipe.

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You'd be creating your own direct competition.

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Of course. But in an MLM. That is exactly what

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you are incentivized to do. You are constantly

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turning your potential customers into your direct

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competitors. Wow, I never thought of it that

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way. You are actively cannibalizing your own

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local market. You are. And you're doing it in

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the hopes that the small percentage you earn

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from their sales volume will outweigh the sales

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you've lost by turning them into a competitor.

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That feels like a very risky bet. It's a huge

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bet. And that brings us right to the next big

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topic. The opportunity versus the cold, hard

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math. Because when you get that hey hun message,

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they almost never lead with the product. No,

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you're right. They don't send you a brochure

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about the ingredients in the protein shake. Not

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at all. They lead with the opportunity. It's

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always about the lifestyle. Financial freedom.

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Time freedom. Retire your husband. There was

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a former business professor, a guy named Roland

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Witzel, who spent something like 40 years researching

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this industry. He did. And he had a really powerful

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insight. He said that in most MLMs, the products

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themselves are often, and this is his word, peripheral.

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They're just the vehicle. They're almost an afterthought.

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An afterthought. The real product being sold

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is the opportunity itself. And he argued that

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the motivational force that drives this entire

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multibillion -dollar industry is false hope.

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False hope. That's a pretty damning phrase. It

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is. But we have some numbers here that, well...

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They seem to back it up. We have access to a

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huge study that looked at over 350 different

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MLM companies, mostly here in the United States.

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And what did that study find? It's a stark finding.

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The study concluded that at least 99 % of all

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recruits lose money. I want to pause on that

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for a second because that number is just... It's

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hard to process. We're not saying 99 % don't

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get rich. We're not saying 99 % just make minimum

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wage. You're saying 99 % lose money. They end

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up with less money in their bank account than

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when they started. They operate at a net loss.

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How is that even possible? How can a business

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model survive if 99 % of its participants are

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failing? That's the paradox, isn't it? The model

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survives because they're failing. The failure

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of the 99 % at the bottom is what funds the massive

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success of the 1 % at the top. So it's a transfer

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of wealth. It is a massive upward transfer of

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wealth. In a pyramid -shaped compensation plan,

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money has to flow up. For that person at the

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very top to be posing with that giant oversized

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check on Instagram Thousands and thousands of

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people at the bottom have to be buying those

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starter kits, paying for the training seminars,

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and purchasing their monthly inventory quota.

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The bottom of the pyramid is literally subsidizing

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the top. That's a perfect way to put it. And

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if we drill down into some of the specific studies,

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the numbers get even more, well, more grim. There's

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a very famous analysis by a researcher named

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John Taylor. He's a huge figure in this field.

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He spent years analyzing the compensation plans

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and the official income disclosure statements

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of hundreds of these companies. His calculation

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was that the loss rate for people who invest

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in these companies is 99 .7%. 99 .7%. I mean,

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that's statistically everyone. If you just round

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to the nearest whole number, you get a 100 %

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failure rate. It is a shocking, shocking number.

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And to try to put it in perspective, the skeptic

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Brian Dunning made a comparison that I think

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really helps it land. He compared joining an

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MLM to gambling in Las Vegas. OK, I like a good

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Vegas analogy. Well, we all know the casino has

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an edge, right? The house always wins in the

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long run. Sure. But if you go to Vegas and you

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play slots or you play roulette, something like

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97 percent of people lose money over time, which

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means. You know, you have about a 3 % chance

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of walking away a winner. Not great odds, but

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it happens. You hear stories of people hitting

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jackpots. It happens. But in MLM, based on Taylor's

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data, it's a 99 .9 % loss rate. Which means,

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statistically speaking, you have a significantly

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better chance of financial success by taking

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your life savings to Vegas, walking up to a roulette

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table, and putting it all on a single number.

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That is insane. Because when I go to Vegas, at

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least I know I'm gambling. You know, I get a

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free drink. I see a show. It's entertainment.

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I don't take out a second mortgage on my house

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because I think I'm investing in a business.

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Exactly. The deception is the key difference.

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A casino doesn't tell you that pulling the handle

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on a slot machine is a legitimate career path

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that's going to allow you to retire early. And

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MLM does. Let's look at some of the specific

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company data, because I don't want anyone to

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think this is just theoretical. We've got some

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numbers here from Amway over in the UK. We do.

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And this is powerful because it wasn't an independent

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researcher. The UK government itself investigated

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Amway, and they found that only 10 percent, just

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one in 10 of Amway's agents in Britain, made

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any profit whatsoever. Any profit at all. Any

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profit at all. But here's the statistic from

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that report that really blew my mind. Less than

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1 in 10 Asians had ever sold a single item to

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an actual retail customer. Wait, hold on. Say

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that again. If 90 % of the salespeople aren't

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selling any products to customers, then who is

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buying all the products? The salespeople are.

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The distributors themselves. They are buying

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the products to qualify for their commission

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checks or because they're told they need to be

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a product of the product. This just reinforces

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that core idea. In an MLM, the distributor is

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the real customer. So you're the end user. You

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just don't realize it because they've sold you

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on the idea that you're a business owner. Correct.

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We also have some leaked data from a company

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called Fortune High Tech Marketing. Now, this

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one is interesting because they were eventually

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shut down by regulators, which means we got a

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real look at their internal books. The real numbers.

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Real numbers. And they showed that 30 % of their

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representatives made $0, nothing. And of the

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70 % who made something, the majority, 54 % of

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them, made an average of just $93 a month. $93

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a month. And that's gross, right? That's before

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you subtract any expenses. That is gross income.

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Before you subtract the cost of the starter kit,

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the marketing materials, the gas money to drive

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to meetings, the fees for your personal sales

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website, all of it. So if you're making $93 a

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month but you're spending $100 a month on business

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expenses, you are literally paying for the privilege

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of working for them. A 2018 poll of over 1 ,000

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MLM sellers confirmed this exact thing. It found

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that the majority of them made less than $0 .70

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per hour. $0 .70 an hour? You could make more

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money looking for loose change in your couch

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cushions. You absolutely could. And looking for

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change in the couch cushions doesn't require

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you to alienate all of your friends and family

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in the process. So this is the question that

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just keeps coming back to me. If the math is

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so, so terrible, if the odds are literally worse

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than a Vegas casino, how did this industry grow

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into a multibillion dollar global juggernaut?

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I mean, where did it even come from? It's a great

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question. And to understand the present, we really

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have to look back at the history. The roots of

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this industry go way back to the 1920s and 30s.

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You had these pioneering companies like the California

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Vitamin Company. Which became Neutralite, right.

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It later became Neutralite, which was eventually

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bought by Amway. And you also had the California

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Perfume Company, which everyone now knows as

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Avon. Avon is such a classic brand. My grandmother

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sold Avon. It always seems so, I don't know,

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normal. Harmless. And for a very long time it

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was. Companies like Avon and also Tupperware,

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they were primarily what we would call direct

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selling companies. And this is a really important

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distinction to make. Why? In traditional direct

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selling, the focus is almost entirely on the

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product. I buy a lipstick at wholesale. I sell

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it to my neighbor at retail. I keep the profit.

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It's a single level transaction. Right. There's

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no pyramid. There's no downline. It's just a

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salesperson selling a thing. Exactly. But over

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the last few decades, that model has shifted

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dramatically. The Direct Selling Association,

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or DSA, is the main trade group that represents

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all these companies. In 1990, only about 25 %

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of the DSA's member companies used a multi -level

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compensation plan. Most were still just single

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-level direct sellers. Okay, so as recently as

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1990, the pyramid structure was still the minority

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model. A small minority. But fast forward to

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2009. By then, that number had completely flipped.

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99 .6 % of all sellers represented by the DSA

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were participating in a multi -level model. Wow.

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So the entire industry transformed. It did. Even

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the legacy companies, the ones you mentioned

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like Avon and Tupperware, they eventually introduced

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their own multi -level compensation plans to

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compete. Why though? Was it just pure greed?

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I'd say it was efficiency. From the corporation's

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perspective, the recruitment model is incredibly

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efficient and lucrative. In a normal business,

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if I want to expand my sales force, I have to

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go out and hire people. I have to interview them,

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train them, pay them a salary, pay for their

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benefits. It's really expensive. In an MLM, the

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sales force recruits itself. It grows virally,

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exponentially. And not only do I not have to

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pay them a salary, they actually pay me for a

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starter kit just for the right to start working.

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It's genius in a really dark way. You're crowdsourcing

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your labor costs and you're turning your entire

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workforce into your biggest customer base. And

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as this model took over, the industry realized

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it had a branding problem. You know, people started

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to catch on to the pyramid shape. They started

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getting suspicious. So you see the rise of what

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I call semantic games. Oh, right. They're constantly

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changing the terminology. Constantly. To distance

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themselves from the fraud accusations. So it's

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not a pyramid scheme. No, it's interactive distribution.

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Or relationship marketing. I've heard that one.

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Social retail. Yeah. But it doesn't matter what

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you call it. If the compensation plan pays you

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more for recruiting people than it does for selling

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a product to the public, the underlying mechanics

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are still the same. Which brings us right to

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the elephant in the room, the legal question.

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I think a lot of our listeners are probably sitting

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there thinking, OK, if this is such a scam. Why

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is it legal? Why are these companies publicly

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traded on the stock market? Why do they sponsor

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sports stadiums? That is the billion dollar question.

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And the answer is found in a very specific and

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I would argue very, very gray area of the law.

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Here in the United States, the Federal Trade

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Commission, the FTC, is the main regulator. And

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their official stance is, well. It's nuanced.

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Nuanced is a very polite word for confusing.

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It is confusing. But the core legal distinction

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boils down to this. What is the primary source

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of the company's revenue? If the money is made

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primarily from recruiting new distributors, from

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selling starter kits and training materials,

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then it is likely an illegal pyramid scheme.

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But if the money is made primarily from sales

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to the public, to actual end users of the product,

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then it's considered a legitimate multi -level

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marketing business. OK, on the surface, that

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seems pretty straightforward. Are you selling

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products to real people or are you just shuffling

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money around inside a closed loop of recruits?

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Right. But here is the loophole. It's a massive

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loophole and it's called internal consumption.

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Internal consumption. OK, let's unpack that term.

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The MLM companies make a very clever argument.

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They say, hey, our distributors are the public.

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They are our most passionate customers. They

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love the product so much they buy it for themselves

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and their families every single month. So when

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a distributor is forced to buy, say, $500 worth

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of vitamins just to qualify for their commission

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check. The company counts that as a legitimate

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retail sale. Even if they don't actually need

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$500 worth of vitamins. Even if those bottles

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just pile up in their garage. Exactly. This is

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what creates the garage qualified phenomenon.

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People buying huge amounts of inventory, they

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have no hope of selling, just to maintain their

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rank in the pyramid. The FTC actually issued

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an advisory on this back in 2004. And what did

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they say? They said that internal consumption

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doesn't automatically make a plan illegal. However,

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the revenue generated from it can't be incidental

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to the right to participate in the business opportunity.

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Meaning you have to be buying the product because

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you genuinely want the product, not because you're

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essentially buying your way up the pyramid. That's

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the idea. But proving that intent in a court

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of law, proving why someone bought a box of Shake

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Mix, is incredibly difficult for prosecutors.

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It's a very, very high legal bar to clear. But

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they have cleared it sometimes, right? There

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have been major cases. There have. The most pivotal

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case in the history of this industry was the

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FTC versus Amway back in 1979. It was a massive

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legal battle. The FTC went after Amway, accusing

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them of being an illegal pyramid scheme. And

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what was the outcome? Who won? Well, it was a

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mixed verdict, but ultimately it was a huge victory

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for the MLM industry. The judge ruled that Amway

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was not per se in the illegal pyramid scheme.

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Wow. But they were found guilty of other things

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like price fixing and, importantly, making exaggerated

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and misleading income claims. The core business

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model itself, though, survived that legal challenge.

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So that 1979 ruling basically gave the entire

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industry the green light. It gave them the blueprint

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for how to operate legally. The judge pointed

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to certain safeguards that Amway had its policies.

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For example, the 70 percent rule, which theoretically

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required distributors to sell 70 percent of their

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inventory each month before ordering more. OK.

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So the industry lawyers all said, OK, great.

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If we just write these rules into our handbooks,

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then we're legal. Even if nobody actually follows

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or enforces the rules in practice. That is the

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catch. The enforcement of these internal rules

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is virtually non -existent. But the FTC does

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still go after companies that they feel cross

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the line too far. You had a company called Vemma.

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Oh, the energy drink one. They were huge on college

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campuses for a while. They were. And the FTC

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shut them down precisely because their focus

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was so clearly on recruiting broke college students,

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not on selling energy drinks to the public. And

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Fortune High Tech Marketing, the company with

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those terrible numbers we mentioned earlier,

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they were officially ruled to be a pyramid scheme.

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The FTC shut them down, liquidated their assets,

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and ended up mailing checks totaling $3 .7 million

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to the victims of the scheme. So justice is possible.

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It just seems like you have to be incredibly

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blatant about it to finally get caught. You do.

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And usually by the time the regulators catch

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up, the damage has been done. The money has already

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been transferred up the pyramid and the people

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at the bottom are just left with debt and a garage

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full of products. And it's not just financial

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debt, is it? This brings us to the whole cultural

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side of things. When you read accounts from people

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who've left these organizations, you see the

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word cult come up over and over again. You see

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it a lot. And it's not just angry ex -members

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using that word. Serious academic researchers

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use it as well. There was a fascinating article

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by a scholar named Walter J. Carl in the Western

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Journal of Communication. He specifically discussed

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how MLM organizations are often described as

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cults. And what were his reasons? He pointed

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to a pattern of deceptive behavior, the use of

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what he called evangelical discourse, and the

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exploitation of personal relationships for financial

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gain evangelical discourse like they're preaching

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a gospel of wealth that's a perfect way to put

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it there's a very strong us versus them mentality

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that's fostered if you're the group you're positive

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you're a winner you're an entrepreneur if you

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criticize the group or if you decide to quit

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then you're a loser a quitter a quitter or And

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this is my favorite term they use. You're a dream

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stealer. A dream stealer. Wow. So if your spouse

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comes to you and says, hey, honey, we've lost

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$2 ,000 on this so far. Maybe we should stop.

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The MLM training tells you that your own spouse

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is stealing your dreams. Exactly. They instruct

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you to distance yourself from negativity and

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from anyone who doesn't support your journey.

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It creates this intense social isolation. It

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insulates the member from the very people, friends,

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family who might be able to help them see the

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reality of the. financial situation. It weaponizes

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your most personal relationships. Which, I mean,

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it brings us right back to that very first text

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message we talked about. The entire business

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model requires you to monetize your friends.

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It absolutely does. You are taught to view every

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single person you know, your mother, your best

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friend from college, your dentist, as a potential

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lead, a potential recruit. It fundamentally commodifies

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human connection. And speaking of culture, we

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have to talk about geography because there is

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one specific place in the United States that

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is widely known as the unofficial world capital

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of MLMs. Utah. Utah. I've heard this over and

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over. Why Utah? What is it about that state?

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It's a true statistical anomaly. Utah has more

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multilevel marketing companies per capita than

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any other state in the country. It is home to

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some of the absolute giants of the industry.

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New skin, doTERRA, unique, young living. The

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list goes on and on. But is there a reason for

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it, a specific cultural driver? Researchers point

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to the very high population of members of the

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.

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There are several cultural factors there that

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seem to create a sort of perfect storm for MLM

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businesses to drive. Okay, let's break those

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down. What are they? Well, first you have the

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return missionary demographic. You have thousands

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of young men and women who have spent two years

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of their lives knocking on doors, dealing with

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constant rejection, and learning how to sell

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a message, often in a foreign language. That

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makes so much sense. They are quite literally

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the most well -trained, resilient, cold -calling

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sales force you could ever ask for. They don't

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hear the word no in the same way that most people

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do. Yeah. Second, there's a very strong cultural

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philosophy of self -reliance and being industrious.

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And third, you have more traditional gender roles.

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So you have a large population of highly educated,

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very capable mothers who want to stay at home

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with their children but also want to contribute

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to the family income. The MLM pitch of work from

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your phone, part -time hours, and be your own

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boss is just perfectly tailored to that demographic.

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I have heard the satirical nickname they have

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for it, Mormons losing money. Yes, that is the

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joke, unfortunately. But it really highlights

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how deeply ingrained this business model has

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become in that specific community. It's a form

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of affinity fraud where you're more likely to

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trust someone and their business pitch simply

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because they're part of your social or religious

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group. So that's the U .S. perspective. But this

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is a global industry. And when you look outside

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of the U .S., the official reaction to MLMs can

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be very, very different. Drastically different.

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Let's start with China. China is not exactly

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known for its light -touch approach to regulation.

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Not at all. And back in 1998, China banned multi

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-level marketing entirely. Outright ban. They

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cited concerns about social and economic disruption.

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They created a specific regulation called the

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prohibition of twangxiao. Twangxiao. What does

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that translate to? It basically means pyramid

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selling. Under current Chinese law, direct sales

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are still permitted. You can sell lipstick door

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to door. But having downlines is completely illegal.

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If you are earning money from the recruitment

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of others, you are breaking the law. So they

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surgically separated the legitimate selling from

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the scheme part of the business? They did. The

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Chinese government viewed these pyramid structures

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as a serious threat to social order. And they

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weren't wrong about the potential for real harm.

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There have been numerous reports of physical

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danger. Volunteers in China who try to rescue

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people from these illegal schemes have actually

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been physically attacked. Wow. That's a level

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of intensity you don't really associate with,

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you know, selling essential oils. It just shows

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how desperate and trapped people can become when

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they're caught in these high -pressure financial

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groups that have all... the hallmarks of a cult.

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What about other parts of the world? We've got

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a note here about Saudi Arabia and Islamic law.

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Yes, and this is fascinating. Many prominent

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Islamic jurists have issued fatwas, which are

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formal religious rulings, declaring that MLM

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trade is haram. It's prohibited. And what are

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the grounds for that ruling? There are two main

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reasons. The first is a concept called gharar,

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which means deception or uncertainty. The jurists

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argue that the promise of easy wealth is fundamentally

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deceptive because, as we've seen from the statistics,

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almost no one actually achieves it. OK, that

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tracks one to one with the data we looked at

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earlier. And the second reason is a concept called

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REBA, which is the prohibition of usury or interest.

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They argue that the structure where you pay an

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entry fee in the hopes of getting more money

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back without engaging in real trade, it too closely

00:27:16.930 --> 00:27:19.190
resembles gambling and interest. It violates

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the core principles of fair exchange. That's

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really interesting. So it's a moral and ethical

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objection as much as it is a financial one. It

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is. And then you have a country like Bangladesh,

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which just banned all domestic and foreign MLM

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trade, period, in 2015. So while the U .S. has

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taken this regulate and monitor approach, many

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other countries look at this model and just say,

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no, this is fundamentally predatory and we're

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not allowing it in our country. It really highlights

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how the American approach seems to prioritize

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the freedom to do business, even if that business

00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.650
is... Well, extremely questionable. The philosophy

00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:57.190
is caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware. So if

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we zoom out here, we've looked at the mechanics,

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the math, the law, the global reaction. It feels

00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:04.950
like the central tension, the core conflict is

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between what the business says it is and what

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the business actually is. That is the heart of

00:28:09.349 --> 00:28:12.089
the paradox. The business says it's about selling

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amazing products. But the math of the compensation

00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:17.400
plan says it's about recruiting investors into

00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.279
a pyramid. The business says it's about achieving

00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.500
financial freedom. But the statistics say it's

00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:23.559
a near -certain guarantee of financial loss.

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And the business says it's about building a supportive

00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:29.140
community. But the stories from people who've

00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:31.579
left say it's about commodifying your friends

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and isolating you from your family. I honestly

00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.599
think that's the most damaging part. We could

00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.140
talk about someone losing $500 on a starter kit,

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.670
and that hurts. That's real money. But losing

00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.970
the trust of your entire community, that's a

00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:46.369
much, much higher cost. When you start to look

00:28:46.369 --> 00:28:48.390
at your best friend and all you can see is a

00:28:48.390 --> 00:28:50.890
dollar sign, something is fundamentally broken.

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As we wrap this up, what's the one final thought

00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:56.450
we should leave people with? We've seen the damage

00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:58.930
these structures can do. I think the most important

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question you can ask yourself, or you can ask

00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:03.170
anyone who approaches you with one of these opportunities,

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:07.490
is this. If a business model requires you to

00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:09.779
turn your friends into your customers, and then

00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:11.960
immediately turn those customers into your direct

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.599
competitors by recruiting them, what is that

00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.960
business actually selling? Is it selling a product

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or is it selling you? That is a heavy question.

00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:22.839
If you are the one funding the commission checks

00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.740
of all the people above you through your own

00:29:24.740 --> 00:29:27.839
purchases, then you are the product. Exactly.

00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.099
The money isn't coming from the magic of the

00:29:30.099 --> 00:29:32.079
free market. It's coming from your bank account

00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.119
and the bank accounts of all the other hopeful

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.029
recruits at the bottom. Well, that is a sobering

00:29:37.029 --> 00:29:39.250
thought, but a really important one. We hope

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this deep dive has given all of you the tools

00:29:41.529 --> 00:29:44.910
to look at these opportunities with a much clearer,

00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:47.730
more critical eye. Remember, knowledge really

00:29:47.730 --> 00:29:50.650
is your best defense against a slick sales pitch.

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Absolutely. And if it sounds too good to be true,

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ask to see the official income disclosure statement.

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And maybe, you know. Keep your day job. Relax.

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Yes, definitely keep your day job. Thanks for

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joining us on this deep dive. Stay curious and

00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:05.809
stay skeptical.
