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Okay, I want to try something a little different

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to kick things off. I want you to close your

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eyes. Yeah. No, seriously, humor me for a second.

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Picture a prairie. A prairie. All right, I'm

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with you. What do you see in your mind's eye?

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Well, the classic image, right? You see, um...

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Tall grass, it's swaying in the wind, big wide

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open skies, maybe a bison if we're feeling particularly

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romantic about it. But it's peaceful. Exactly.

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It's peaceful. It's nature. It's wild. Now hold

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that image, the grass, that sort of untamed feeling,

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and I want you to mentally just drop it right

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on top of the grid of a major city. Okay. And

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I don't mean a park. This isn't Central Park.

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I'm talking about city blocks. Pavement, sidewalks,

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fire hydrants. But the buildings? They're just

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gone, erased. All the noise, the traffic, the

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people, it's all gone. And all that's left is

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just silence and weeds coming up through the

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cracks in the concrete. Right. So you're not

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actually talking about nature. You're talking

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about the aftermath of something. I am. I saw

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this term in the source material, urban prairie.

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And it just stopped me cold. It sounds so poetic.

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But when you actually see pictures of it, like

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in parts of Detroit or St. Louis, it's... It's

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haunting. It is a haunting term. It looks like

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the world ended, but only on that one block.

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Well, and it's technically accurate. I mean,

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when the population density of a city drops so

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low that the land literally reverts to green

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space, not because we planned a beautiful park,

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but because there's no one left to live in the

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house or mow the lawn that is the urban prairie.

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And that's exactly what we're digging into today.

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We're not just looking at abandoned buildings.

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This is more like a forensic investigation into

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the life and, well, the death of cities because

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that's what we're talking about isn't it it's

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a kind of death it is but i'd argue it's not

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a natural one it's not a city dying of old age

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when a bustling thriving metropolis becomes a

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ghost town or a neighborhood becomes what planners

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call grayfield land that isn't some random accident

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it's not bad luck it's a process it's a sociological

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process it's a series of decisions often made

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decades apart that all lead to this one outcome

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That's the core tension I really want to pull

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apart today. Because, you know, you grow up thinking

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cities are these permanent monolithic things.

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Rome is the eternal city, right? New York is

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the city that never sleeps. But the material

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we've got today, it shows that cities can absolutely

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fall asleep. They can go into a coma. Yeah. Or

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they can even die. Exactly. And our whole mission

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for this deep dive is to really understand the

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mechanics of that. We call it urban decay or

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urban rot or blight. But those are just labels.

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We need to look under the hood at the gears that

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actually turn to crush a city. And we're talking

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about what? Economic gears? Political? All of

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the above. Economic, political and social gears

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all grinding together. And it's never just one

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thing, is it? It's never as simple as, oh, the

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big factory closed down so everybody packed up

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and left. No, never. That's probably the biggest

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misconception out there. It's never a single

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gunshot. It's always a convergence. It's deindustrialization

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colliding with a massive population shift, which

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then collides with a policy decision that was

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made 30 or 40 years earlier. It's a perfect storm.

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It's a perfect storm, exactly. So we have a huge

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map to cover today. Yeah. We start by looking

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at the anatomy of blight. You know, what does

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it actually look and feel like on the ground?

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Then we're going to get into the American model,

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which creates... It's this very specific kind

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of weird donut shape of decay in the U .S. And

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then we're going to flip that script completely.

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Because if you think urban decay looks the same

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everywhere, you are mistaken. We're going to

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Europe. We'll look at France and the U .K., where

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that whole map is basically inverted. And the

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case studies. I mean, some of these are just,

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they're mind -blowing. There's a story out of

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South Africa in the notes that... Well, let's

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just say I had to read it three times to believe

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it was real. It completely redefines the word

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stealing. Oh, the Johannesburg example is terrifying.

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It's what happens when the rule of law just evaporates.

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I cannot wait to get to that. But first things

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first, section one, the anatomy of blight. When

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I say urban decay, I think we all have a sort

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of movie clip that plays in our head. You know,

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broken windows, graffiti, trash playing down

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the street. We do. But let's zoom in on that

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image. The research mentions a really specific

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aesthetic. It talks about modern ruins. You mentioned

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the broken windows, but think about the texture

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of it all. There's a reference to a building

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in Poznań, Poland, and it describes these tiles

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that are cracked and just covered in layers of

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graffiti. It's not just empty. It's scarred.

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It's scarred. It's the visual language of neglect.

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It's like the building itself is screaming, nobody

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cares about me anymore. And that's the critical

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link, right? The material points out that blight

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isn't just a physical thing. It is. I mean, just

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imagine for a second you live next door to one

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of these condemned houses. I've seen this. I've

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literally seen it. You have one house with a

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perfectly manicured lawn, and the house right

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next to it has a blue tarp on the roof, and the

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windows are boarded up. Right. So what does that

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do to you day in and day out? It has a visual

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effect, sure, but the source says it has a physical

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and psychological effect. It creates this pervasive

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sense of abandonment. If your environment is

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literally degrading around you, you start to

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feel like maybe you are, too. It's a signal.

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It's a signal that the social contract is broken.

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It feels like being the last guest at a party

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that ended three hours ago. Like you missed the

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memo and you're not supposed to be there anymore.

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That's a great way to put it. If we look at the

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causes, and believe me, it is a laundry list,

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we kind of have to group them to make any sense

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of it. The first big bucket is, of course, economic.

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This is the bedrock of it all. This is the no

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jobs part of the story. It's even deeper than

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just no jobs. It's deindustrialization. So think

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about a town that was built entirely around a

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steel mill or a car factory. The mill closes.

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It's not just the steel workers who are out of

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a job. No, it's the whole ecosystem. The whole

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ecosystem. The diner across the street loses

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all its customers. The truck drivers who hauled

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the steel lose their contracts. The local government

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loses its biggest taxpayer. So they can't afford

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to fix the potholes or keep the streetlights

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on. Exactly. Then private divestment kicks in.

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The banks see the writing on the wall and they

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just stop lending money in that area. It becomes

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a death spiral. High local unemployment isn't

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just a statistic. It's the trigger for absolutely

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everything else that follows. OK, so the money

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leaves first. Then do the people follow the money?

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That's the second bucket. And this is fascinating

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because it can actually go two different ways.

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On the one hand, you can have population decline

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depopulation. That leaves you with a city that

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was built for, say, a million people, but now

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only 500 ,000 live there. So you've got all these

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schools and fire stations and bus lines. Right.

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But you don't have enough taxpayers to keep the

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lights on in any of them. Correct. It becomes

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incredibly inefficient to even run the city.

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But paradoxically, you can also have overpopulation

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in certain pockets. If everyone who's left crowds

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into the few remaining affordable areas, you

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screen the infrastructure there until it snaps.

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So the sewers back up, the power grid fails.

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Precisely. You get a situation where it's a ghost

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town and a pressure cooker at the same time.

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Wow. So it's either empty or it's breaking. And

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that leads directly into the third layer, which

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is social. You see family fragmentation. You

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see the brain drain. I mean, anyone with a college

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degree or transferable skills, they're the first

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ones to leave. Of course. You lose what sociologists

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call social capital. Those are the networks of

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trust, the neighborhood watch, the people who

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know each other and keep the community functioning

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and safe. And into that vacuum. Crime rushes

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in. Yeah. Gangs, drugs. That's the classic pattern.

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There was one detail in this list of causes that

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I actually, I circled it in my notes because

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it genuinely freaked me out a little. It wasn't

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about economics or crime. It was about urban

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wildlife. Yes. This is a very specific indicator

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of advanced decay. And we're not talking about

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like a cute raccoon tipping over a garbage can,

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are we? No, no, not at all. The notes specify

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large, unregulated populations of animals. Think

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abandoned pets. Feral dogs. Feral dogs forming

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packs. Now stop and think about what that signals.

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We spend thousands of years as a species building

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cities specifically to insulate ourselves from

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the wild. We build walls. We have animal control.

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We have streetlights. When you have packs of

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feral dogs roaming the streets of a major industrialized

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city. The city has failed at its most basic function.

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It has completely failed. It's not just sad or

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neglected at that point. It's genuinely hostile.

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You could be walking to the bus stop and have

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to worry about a pack of dogs. It's like something

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out of a post -apocalyptic movie. But it's real

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life in some of these blighted zones. It just

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signals that all the structures of civilization,

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you know, safety, sanitation, our basic dominance

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over the immediate environment, have just dissolved.

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Okay, before we move on to the history of how

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this happens, I need you to explain one thing

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to me. The notes bring up this counterpoint from

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some libertarian economists, guys like Milton

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Friedman and Friedrich Hayek. And they blame

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something that I think most people assume is

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a good thing. They blame rent control. This is

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a really important and very controversial piece

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of the puzzle. The logic for rent control seems

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straightforward, right? Housing is expensive.

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People are poor. So let's put a legal cap on

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the rent. It sounds compassionate. Yeah, of course.

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Keep it affordable so people don't get pushed

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out. But Friedman and Hayek would ask you to

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look at it from the landlord's point of view.

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Let's say you own an apartment building. The

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roof is old. It needs to be completely replaced.

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The estimate is $50 ,000. Okay. But the government

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has a law that says you can only charge, say,

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$500 a month for each apartment because of rent

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control. Right. You do the math. You will never,

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ever make that $50 ,000 back. It's just not possible.

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So the question is, do you fix the roof? I mean,

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no, I guess not. I'd go bankrupt if I did. Exactly.

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You don't fix the roof. Then the boiler breaks.

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You patch it, but you don't replace it. The plumbing

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starts to leak. The building just deteriorates.

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Eventually, it becomes unlivable. And the tenants

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leave. The tenants leave or they stop paying

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rent and become squatters. You, the owner, just

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abandon the property because now it's a financial

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liability, not an asset. So their argument is

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that by trying to keep the price artificially

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low, you actually end up destroying the supply

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of housing itself. Yes. They argue that it completely

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freezes the market. New developers won't build

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there either because why would you? There's no

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profit to be made. So the existing housing stock

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rots from the inside out and no new housing gets

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built to replace it. So a well -intentioned policy

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can basically become a machine for creating blight.

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That's the argument. And it highlights how complex

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these forces really are. That is. Yeah, that's

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some depressing math. But it makes a certain

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kind of cold, hard sense. Okay, let's pivot.

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We've got the ingredients of decay laid out.

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Now let's look at the recipe. And it seems there's

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no chef quite like the United States of America

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when it comes to this. The American model, as

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it's known. We call it the donut effect. Right.

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And you should picture a literal donut. The doughy,

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tasty part is on the outside. That's the wealthy,

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growing suburbs. The hole is in the middle. That's

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the empty, decayed city center. But it wasn't

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always that way. That's what's so strange. No,

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absolutely not. Before World War II, the city

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was the place to be. I mean, the whole Industrial

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Revolution was about packing people in. You wanted

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to live close to the factory, close to the trolley

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line, close to the action. So what happened?

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Did we all just collectively decide we liked

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having lawns and barbecue grills better? It wasn't

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just a preference. It was engineered. After 1945,

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two absolutely massive things happened. The first,

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and maybe the most obvious, was the car. The

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private automobile. We shifted from a society

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built on public transportation, walking, trams,

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subways, to a society built around the private

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car. And the car just obliterates the traditional

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geometry of a city. Suddenly, you didn't need

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to be close to anything anymore. You could live

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10, 20 miles out, have a big yard, a two -car

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garage, and just drive into the city for work.

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But wait, cars are expensive. New houses in the

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suburbs are expensive. How did everyone afford

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this all at once? And that is the second crucial

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factor, the government. We have this myth of

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the suburbs as... this this natural expression

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of the american dream right rugged individualism

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yeah i pulled myself up by my bootstraps and

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bought my house with my own hard -earned money

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but the reality is that the federal government

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heavily heavily subsidized that dream the fha

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the federal housing administration and the va

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mortgage aid for veterans they completely revolutionized

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home lending before this you might have had to

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put 50 down to buy a house 50 who has that kind

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of money almost nobody But the FHA came in and

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introduced the low down payment, 30 year fixed

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rate mortgage. All of a sudden it became cheaper

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to buy a brand new house in a suburb like Levde

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town than it was to rent a cranked apartment

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in the city. So the government basically built

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a giant slide leading out of the city. Yes. And

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then greased it with cheap money. For some people.

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And that's a key point we'll get to in a minute.

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But yes, they pulled the white middle class out

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of the city like a giant vacuum cleaner. And

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to make sure they could get to and from their

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new suburban homes, they built the interstate

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highway system. Infrastructure. Infrastructure

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as a weapon. This is so important. We think of

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highways as things that connect us. But in the

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context of urban decay, they were escape routes.

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And more than that, they were often built by

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literally demolishing the city neighborhoods

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they passed through. There's that specific brutal

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example in the notes about the Gowanus Parkway

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in New York. Oh, it's a tragic story. And Robert

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Caro documents it beautifully in The Power Broker.

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You had the street, 3rd Avenue in Brooklyn. It

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was a bustling, working -class market street.

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It was vibrant, noisy, full of shops and people.

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Full of life. And then... Then Robert Moses,

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the so -called master builder of New York, decided

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he needed an expressway to get people from the

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suburbs into Manhattan. And he didn't build it

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around the neighborhood. He didn't tunnel under

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it. He built it directly on top of it. He put

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a roof over a living street. A massive six -lane

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concrete slab. The source material describes

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it so vividly. It says he cast the avenue forever

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into darkness and gloom. Wow. The noise from

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the traffic above was deafening. The sun was

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completely blocked out. The businesses on the

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street below just withered and died. The street

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life vanished. He literally shadowed a neighborhood

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to death just so that suburbanites could drive

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over it more quickly. That is such a powerful

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image. You're actively killing the city to serve

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the people who have just Abandon the city. It's

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the perfect metaphor for the whole process. But

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now we have to talk about the people who couldn't

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leave because this wasn't just about cars and

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highways. It was about race. We have to talk

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about the great migration. This is the massive

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internal migration of African -Americans we're

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talking about, right? Yes. From the rural south

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to the industrial cities of the north. It happened

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in two major waves. The first was early from

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about 1910 to 1930. But it was the second great

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migration from 1940 to 1970 that was truly seismic.

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Five million people. Five million people on the

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move. They were moving for factory jobs. They

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were fleeing the oppression of Jim Crow. They

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were looking for a better life. By the end of

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this period, something like 80 percent of black

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Americans lived in cities. But when they arrived

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in Detroit or Chicago or Cleveland, they ran

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straight into a wall. Institutional discrimination.

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Remember those FHA loans we talked about? The

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ones that made the suburbs possible? Yeah, the

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cheap mortgages. Well, they weren't for everyone.

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The FHA had an explicit policy called redlining.

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And this is absolutely essential to understanding

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the American city. This wasn't just a couple

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of racist bankers. This was official federal

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policy written down in government manuals. Can

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you explain exactly how it worked? The government,

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through an agency, literally drew maps of every

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major city. They color coded the neighborhoods

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based on perceived risk for mortgage lending.

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Green was good. These were new white affluent

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areas. And red was bad. Hazardous. And what made

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a neighborhood hazardous? I have the quote right

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here from the 1938 FHA underwriting manual. It's

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shocking to read out loud. It says they need

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to protect against the infiltration of inharmonious

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racial groups. Inharmonious racial groups. That's

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the federal government of the United States.

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That's their language. If a single black family

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moved into a white neighborhood, the FHA could

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declare that entire neighborhood red and refuse

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to insure any mortgages there. Banks followed

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their lead. No loans. So let's just play this

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out. I am a white WWII veteran. I get a cheap

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government -backed loan and I move to a new house

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in the suburbs. I buy it for, I don't know, $5

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,000. Over the next 40 years, that house's value

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explodes. I build equity. I can borrow against

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it to send my kids to college or I leave it to

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them as an inheritance. Correct. That is the

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primary engine of white middle -class wealth

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creation in the entire 20th century. Okay. Now,

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I'm a black WWII veteran. I fought in the same

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war. But... I can't get that loan. I'm forced

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to stay in the city. I probably have to rent.

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Or maybe I managed to buy a house in one of those

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redlined areas. But because no banks will lend

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there, the property value never goes up. In fact,

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it probably goes down. That's right. You gain

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zero equity. You might even lose money. You can't

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get a loan to fix the roof when it starts leaking

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because the bank looks at the map and says, sorry,

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you're in a red zone. So the house decays. So

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you fast forward to today. The White family has

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inherited a $500 ,000 asset. The black family

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has inherited nothing or maybe even a liability.

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That is the brutal, simple math of structural

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inequality. It's the power of compound interest,

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but for discrimination. Redlining didn't just

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segregate where people lived. It segregated their

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financial futures for generations. It systematically

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stripped the inner city of all its capital. And

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when you strip the capital and the industrial

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jobs leave and the white population flees to

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their subsidized homes. You get the American

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model. Poor, decaying, predominantly minority

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inner cities surrounded by rings of wealthy,

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predominantly white suburbs. It was a machine

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designed, intentionally or not, to create slums.

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Wow. OK, so that is the donut. Yeah. And it feels

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so ingrained, so permanent, like that's just

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how American cities are supposed to look. But

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the research says no. Not at all. Look at Europe.

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This is where it gets really, really interesting.

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We call it the European inversion. The inversion.

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If you go to Paris or Vienna or Rome or many

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of the great European capitals, the map is completely

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flipped on its head. So where do the rich people

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live there? They live right in the center. Historic

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core, the first surrounding small of Paris, right

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by the Louvre. That's where the money is. That's

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where the power is. The apartments there are

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astronomically expensive. Where is the decay?

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Where is the blight? It's on the edge. It's in

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the suburbs. In France, they call them the banlieues.

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I always thought banlieue was just the French

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word for suburb. Linguistically, yes, it is.

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But culturally, it carries an incredibly heavy

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weight. It's become synonymous with poverty,

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with immigrants, with crime, and with social

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exclusion. How did that happen? Why didn't they

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get the nice, leafy, single -family home suburbs

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that we got? It's just a completely different

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history. In the post -war era, the 50s and 60s,

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France had a massive housing crisis. They needed

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to build housing and they needed to do it fast.

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So they built these enormous projects called

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Grand Ensembles. What were they? Huge, modernist,

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concrete, high -rise towers. And they built them

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way out on the periphery of the cities where

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the land was cheap. And at first... People liked

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them. Oh, yeah. At first, they were seen as a

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huge step up. They had indoor plumbing, heating,

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electricity. It was much better than the shanty

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towns and slums many people were living in before.

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But there's always a but. But by the 1980s, the

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industrial jobs in those areas started to dry

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up. The white -collar, middle -class French stayed

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in the beautiful city centers. And these high

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-rises became essentially warehouses for the

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unemployed and increasingly for immigrants from

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France's former colonies in North Africa, Algeria,

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Morocco, Tunisia. So instead of a white picket

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fence in a backyard, the suburb in the French

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imagination means a giant concrete tower block

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and a sense of isolation. Yes, exactly. And the

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notes talk about a deep, profound social stigma

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attached to these places. There's this feeling

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that these areas are outside the law or even,

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quote, outside the republic. That phrase gives

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me chills. Outside the republic. It's like saying

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you're not really French if you live here. That

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is precisely the feeling it conveys. And it creates

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a pressure cooker. The notes, of course, mention

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the 2005 riots that spread across France. I remember

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seeing that on the news. All the cars on fire.

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It was shocking. And it started when two teenagers

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who were running from the police hid in an electrical

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substation and were accidentally electrocuted.

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They died. And that tragedy was the spark. But

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the fuel was decades of frustration, unemployment,

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and feeling trapped in these concrete islands

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on the far edge of the city. So the U .S. burns

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from the center out. France burns from the edges

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in. It's the perfect inversion. Now let's hop

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across the English Channel to the U .K. Is it

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the same story there? Well, London feels a lot

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like the Paris model. Super, super expensive

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center and the poverty is pushed further out.

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London is its own unique beast. But for the U

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.K. as a whole, there's a different kind of divide.

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It's not just center versus suburb. It's north

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versus south. The regional divide. The urban

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decay in the United Kingdom is heavily concentrated

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in the old industrial heartland. of the north,

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cities like Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle.

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These were the engines of the British Empire.

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Coal, shipbuilding, textiles. And I'm guessing

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when the empire stopped needing as many ships

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and as much coal. The economic floor just fell

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out from under those cities. The notes mentioned

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the big slum clearances of the post -war era.

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They tore down a lot of the old Victorian terraced

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housing and built high rises, a bit like the

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French model, but the economic collapse was just

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too severe. There's a pop culture connection

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here in the notes that I absolutely love. The

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idea of a soundtrack to this decay. You really

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can't understand British urban decay in that

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era without listening to a band like The Specials.

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Their song Ghost Town. Oh, it's the ultimate

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anthem for this. This town is coming like a ghost

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town. It's so bleak. It is. It's haunting. Or

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The Jam with a song like Down in the Tube Station

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at Midnight. These songs from the late 70s and

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early 80s, they perfectly captured that mood.

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Gray concrete, the constant threat of violence,

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mass unemployment. It was a very specific flavor

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of despair. There's a really interesting data

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point here in the material comparing Manchester

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and Newcastle. Yes, this is crucial because it

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helps us check our assumptions. In the U .S.,

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we talk so much about race and redlining and

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for very good reason. But look at the U .K. during

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this period. Manchester had a growing non -white

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immigrant population. Newcastle, on the other

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hand, was overwhelmingly white. And yet. And

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yet both cities suffered catastrophic urban decay.

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So it proves that while racism can absolutely

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pour gasoline on the fire, the root cause, the

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fundamental economic collapse, is colorblind.

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Exactly. When the factory closes its gates for

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the last time, the city dies. It doesn't matter

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what the people who live there look like. The

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economics of it are just brutal and universal.

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Speaking of brutal, I think it's time we get

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into the case studies. Section four, failed utopias.

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These are the stories that show how weird and

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extreme this whole process can get. Which one

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do you want to start with? Let's start in Italy,

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in Naples. The Ville di Scampia. The Sails of

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Scampia. Sounds so beautiful, doesn't it? The

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Sails. And it was meant to be beautiful. This

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is a classic tragedy of modernist architecture.

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It was built in the 60s and 70s. The architect,

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a guy named Franz de Salvo, had this grand utopian

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vision. He wanted to create a self -sufficient

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small city right there in Naples. Can you describe

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what it looks like? Imagine these huge triangular

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slab buildings. They genuinely look like giant

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concrete sails billowing in the wind. They were

00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:32.720
supposed to have these shared walkways connecting

00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.740
them, parks, their own train station. The whole

00:24:35.740 --> 00:24:38.559
idea was to use architecture to force community

00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:40.660
interaction. We will build a perfect community

00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:43.559
with concrete, a classic modernist dream. The

00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:47.059
ultimate dream. Yeah. But then reality crushed

00:24:47.059 --> 00:24:49.759
the party. First, in 1980, there was a massive

00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.539
earthquake. The Urpinia earthquake. It left thousands

00:24:52.539 --> 00:24:54.579
and thousands of people homeless. So desperate

00:24:54.579 --> 00:24:56.480
families just started moving into the Vala. They

00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:58.900
became squatters. The perfectly planned community

00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:01.259
became a massive refugee camp almost overnight.

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And what did the government do? The police? The

00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:05.359
government largely abandoned it. It was too big

00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.200
of a problem. And in Naples, when the state retreats,

00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.000
who fills the vacuum? The Camorra. The local

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.420
mafia. The Camorra took over the entire complex.

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:19.359
And ironically, that utopian community architecture,

00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.900
the complex maze like passageways, the lack of

00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:25.799
clear roads. It made the buildings the perfect

00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.279
fortress for the drug trade. So police couldn't

00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:30.279
get their cars. Exactly. Police couldn't get

00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.740
in. Lookouts could be posted everywhere. The

00:25:32.740 --> 00:25:34.720
architect designed a walkway for neighbors to

00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.460
stop and chat. And the mafia used it as the perfect

00:25:37.460 --> 00:25:40.079
spot to sell heroin and watch for cops. That

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is the ultimate failure of what they call. architectural

00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:44.789
determinism. Yeah. You can't design your way

00:25:44.789 --> 00:25:47.430
out of a social collapse. Not a chance. OK, from

00:25:47.430 --> 00:25:49.190
the heat and chaos of Naples, let's go to the

00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:52.349
cold, quiet emptiness of eastern Germany, the

00:25:52.349 --> 00:25:54.910
shrinking east. This is a completely different

00:25:54.910 --> 00:25:57.309
kind of decay. This isn't about crime and overcrowding.

00:25:57.369 --> 00:25:59.609
It's about silence and absence. The case study

00:25:59.609 --> 00:26:01.910
here is a town called Heuerswerda. Heuerswerda.

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Since the reunification of Germany in 1990, its

00:26:04.869 --> 00:26:07.049
population has dropped by 40 percent. Nearly

00:26:07.049 --> 00:26:09.789
half the town is just gone. And specifically,

00:26:09.869 --> 00:26:12.579
it's the young people. Especially the young women.

00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.960
They left for jobs and opportunities in the West.

00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.900
The birth rate just collapsed. It's a textbook

00:26:17.900 --> 00:26:20.700
case of what demographers call urban shrinkage.

00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.079
And what's left behind? What does it look like?

00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.759
Well, you have the Plattenbau. These are those

00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.859
prefab concrete slab apartment blocks that the

00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.140
East German socialist government loved to build.

00:26:31.220 --> 00:26:33.880
They were fast. They were cheap. But the notes

00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:35.819
mention something really eerie about the East

00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:37.740
German approach to history and architecture.

00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.960
Yeah, this part was strange. It says that in

00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.839
some places they just left the rubble from World

00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.299
War II where it fell. It's bizarre, isn't it?

00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:48.319
In West Germany, they were obsessed with rebuilding

00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.400
everything, the economic miracle. In the East,

00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:53.859
if a building was bombed out in 1945, sometimes

00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:56.920
they just left it. Or they cleared the lot and

00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.460
just left it empty for 50 years. If a building

00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:02.119
didn't fit the new socialist ideal, they just

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.690
let it rot. So you could be walking through this

00:27:04.690 --> 00:27:07.650
town today and see a mix of ugly concrete blocks

00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:10.930
from the 70s, empty lots, and a pile of bricks

00:27:10.930 --> 00:27:12.769
that's been there since the war ended. It's a

00:27:12.769 --> 00:27:15.890
landscape of overlapping traumas, and now it's

00:27:15.890 --> 00:27:18.130
emptying out completely. It's a ghost town happening

00:27:18.130 --> 00:27:20.890
in slow motion. Okay, those are both incredibly

00:27:20.890 --> 00:27:24.690
heavy. But the South Africa story, Hillbrow.

00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:27.019
in johannesburg this is the one that felt like

00:27:27.019 --> 00:27:28.839
it was ripped from the script of an action movie

00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.599
hillbrow is something else entirely to understand

00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.920
it you have to understand the transition out

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.720
of apartheid under apartheid hillbrow was a whites

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.859
-only high -rise very affluent neighborhood it

00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:42.859
was kind of the manhattan of johannesburg so

00:27:42.859 --> 00:27:45.700
cool cafes bookshops beautiful high -rise apartments

00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:51.559
exactly then 1994. Apartheid falls. A Democratic

00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.700
government is elected. And naturally, people

00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:55.960
start to move. The white residents flee to the

00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.480
suburbs. It's a classic white flight story like

00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.940
we saw in the U .S., but on hyperspeed. They

00:28:00.940 --> 00:28:03.119
are replaced by low -income black workers and

00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.700
a huge influx of immigrants from all over Africa,

00:28:05.779 --> 00:28:08.019
all looking for a foothold in the new South Africa.

00:28:08.259 --> 00:28:10.700
So far, that sounds like a fairly standard, if

00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:13.680
rapid, urban transition. It is. But then comes

00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.319
the phenomenon of hijacking. You have to explain

00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.079
this term. How on earth do you hijack a 30 -story

00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.480
skyscraper? This isn't like hijacking a car.

00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.839
This is organized crime syndicates targeting

00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.440
a specific apartment block. Imagine you're a

00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.480
legal resident there. You come home from work

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.799
one day. The locks on the front door are changed.

00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:34.259
And there are men with AK -47s standing in the

00:28:34.259 --> 00:28:36.119
lobby. And they just say, this is our building

00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.819
now. Basically, they drive out the official property

00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:41.519
management company. They intimidate the legal

00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.880
registered owners of the building until they're

00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.160
too scared to ever come hear it again. Then the

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.180
gang becomes the de facto landlord. They go door

00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.200
to door with guns and collect the rent from everyone.

00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.319
But I'm guessing they don't use that. rent money

00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.599
to pay the bills. Of course not. They pocket

00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.579
all the cash. They don't pay the municipality

00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:02.720
for water. They don't pay for electricity. So

00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.940
after a few months, what does the city do? They

00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:06.759
have to cut the power in the water. Right. So

00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.460
now you have a 30 -story glass and concrete tower.

00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.700
There are no elevators. There are no lights in

00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.440
the hallways. There is no running water. Oh,

00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:17.039
my God. The sanitation, the smell. People are

00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.559
literally throwing their trash and human waste

00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.319
out of the windows. It creates what's known as

00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.680
a vertical slum. And it's terrifying because

00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.240
it shows just how fraggle the whole system is.

00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.839
We assume if we have a deed to a building, we

00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.160
own it. But if the police won't come and the

00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.519
courts are paralyzed, that piece of paper means

00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.380
absolutely nothing. It's pure anarchy. It's the

00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:40.880
total collapse of the rule of law, but contained

00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.319
within the four walls of a single building. Precisely

00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.039
that. Okay. We've seen the donut. We've seen

00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:47.960
the banlieue. We've seen the hijacked tower.

00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.680
I feel like I need a shower and a stiff drink.

00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.779
Uh -huh. But we have to ask the big question

00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:57.019
at the end of all this. Can we fix it? That is

00:29:57.019 --> 00:29:59.440
the multi -trillion dollar question. Yeah. And

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.539
the history of fixing urban decay is, in some

00:30:02.539 --> 00:30:05.559
ways, almost as tragic as the decay itself. Let's

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.900
talk about the big American solution, urban renewal,

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.819
with a capital U and a capital R. In the mid

00:30:10.819 --> 00:30:13.099
-20th century, the U .S. strategy was brutally

00:30:13.099 --> 00:30:15.339
simple. The neighborhood is the problem. The

00:30:15.339 --> 00:30:17.460
old buildings are the problem. So knock them

00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.809
all down. Slum clearance. Get the bulldozers.

00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:23.529
They leveled entire neighborhoods, displacing

00:30:23.529 --> 00:30:25.490
thousands of people, and they replaced them with

00:30:25.490 --> 00:30:27.589
massive projects, the most infamous of which

00:30:27.589 --> 00:30:30.609
is Pruitt Ego in St. Louis. Pruitt Ego is the

00:30:30.609 --> 00:30:33.490
poster child for failure. It is the... absolute

00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:36.130
Titanic of public housing. It was built in the

00:30:36.130 --> 00:30:39.670
1950s. It was huge. It was modern. It won architectural

00:30:39.670 --> 00:30:42.910
awards, but they didn't provide any funding for

00:30:42.910 --> 00:30:45.630
maintenance. They packed it with the city's poorest

00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:49.029
residents and completely isolated them. It became

00:30:49.029 --> 00:30:52.109
a zone of intense crime and poverty almost from

00:30:52.109 --> 00:30:54.250
the day it opened. And how did that story end?

00:30:54.410 --> 00:30:57.250
It ended with dynamite. By the 1970s, the government

00:30:57.250 --> 00:31:00.089
admitted total defeat and just imploded the buildings.

00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:02.049
You've probably seen the footage. It's this iconic.

00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:05.380
slow motion demolition that came to symbolize

00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:07.740
the death of that whole utopian idea of public

00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:10.079
housing. So the expert consensus now is that

00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.140
urban renewal, that whole bulldozing strategy,

00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:15.839
was a complete failure. Largely, yes. The source

00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.670
material calls it misguided. Because when you

00:31:18.670 --> 00:31:21.809
bulldoze a slum, you aren't just destroying rotting

00:31:21.809 --> 00:31:24.710
buildings. You are destroying a community. It

00:31:24.710 --> 00:31:26.630
might be a poor community, but it's a community

00:31:26.630 --> 00:31:29.609
with social networks. You scatter those people

00:31:29.609 --> 00:31:31.430
to the winds. You don't solve the problem of

00:31:31.430 --> 00:31:33.990
poverty. You just move it somewhere else. So

00:31:33.990 --> 00:31:35.950
if the government can't fix it with bulldozers,

00:31:36.089 --> 00:31:38.710
what about the free market? What about gentrification?

00:31:39.210 --> 00:31:41.690
Ah, gentrification, the word that everyone loves

00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:44.230
to fight about online. A source calls it a double

00:31:44.230 --> 00:31:46.589
-edged sword. And it absolutely is. On the one

00:31:46.589 --> 00:31:49.430
hand, it is the primary means of a natural remedy.

00:31:49.750 --> 00:31:52.210
Capital flows back into a neighborhood. Buildings

00:31:52.210 --> 00:31:54.950
get fixed. The roof that was leaking for 20 years

00:31:54.950 --> 00:31:57.710
finally gets repaired. The tax base recovers.

00:31:57.930 --> 00:32:01.190
The city financially stops dying. But the other

00:32:01.190 --> 00:32:03.339
edge of the sword. The people who live there,

00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.720
through all the hard times they get priced out,

00:32:05.779 --> 00:32:08.400
their rents skyrocket. The corner store that's

00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.619
been there forever gets replaced by a boutique

00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:13.900
coffee shop selling $12 lattes. And this leads

00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:16.400
to this fascinating new phenomenon that's mentioned

00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.160
in the notes. The decay of the inner suburb.

00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.009
Yes. This is so important for understanding where

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:24.690
we're heading now. As the city centers get wealthy

00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:27.369
and gentrified again, think about Brooklyn, think

00:32:27.369 --> 00:32:30.009
about downtown L .A., the poor are pushed out.

00:32:30.130 --> 00:32:32.329
But where do they go? They go to those first

00:32:32.329 --> 00:32:35.089
ring inner suburbs, the ones that were built

00:32:35.089 --> 00:32:38.470
in the 1950s. Exactly. The Levittowns of the

00:32:38.470 --> 00:32:40.410
world, the places that are now 70 years old.

00:32:40.569 --> 00:32:43.650
The infrastructure is aging. The shopping malls

00:32:43.650 --> 00:32:46.809
are dying. Poverty is migrating from the urban

00:32:46.809 --> 00:32:50.059
core to that first suburban ring. So the donut

00:32:50.059 --> 00:32:52.240
is slipping again. The hole is turning into the

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.359
donut. The hole is filling up with gold and the

00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.359
dough is starting to go moldy. It's this constantly

00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.769
shifting geography of poverty. Are there any

00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:02.930
success stories? Is anyone actually doing this

00:33:02.930 --> 00:33:05.230
right? Well, Europe offers a slightly different

00:33:05.230 --> 00:33:08.490
model, which is often called new urbanism. What's

00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:11.029
that? Europe has a built -in advantage. Their

00:33:11.029 --> 00:33:13.450
cities have good bones. They're older. They have

00:33:13.450 --> 00:33:16.089
those dense, walkable, historic quarters. Right.

00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:19.009
It's a lot easier to fix up a charming 19th century

00:33:19.009 --> 00:33:21.869
brick row house than it is to fix up a decaying

00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:24.680
1970s strip mall. That's it exactly. People want

00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.119
to live in the row house. So in a place like

00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.039
home in Manchester, they've gone through this

00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.799
incredible three stage cycle. Walk us through

00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.259
the home timeline. Stage one, 19th century working

00:33:36.259 --> 00:33:38.980
class housing, kind of slums, but a traditional

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:43.619
street grid. Stage two, the 1950s and 60s. They

00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:46.859
bulldozed it all and built those awful concrete

00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:50.019
high rise towers. Total disaster. And stage three.

00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.059
The 1990s, they finally admitted the towers were

00:33:53.059 --> 00:33:55.420
a catastrophic mistake, so they bulldozed the

00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:57.500
bulldozed neighborhood again. And what did they

00:33:57.500 --> 00:33:59.500
build in its place? Let me guess. Did they basically

00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:01.940
go back to stage one? Pretty much. They built

00:34:01.940 --> 00:34:04.500
what are called new urbanist developments, traditional

00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.299
style houses, mixed -use buildings with shops

00:34:07.299 --> 00:34:09.239
on the ground floor. They put the street grid

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.309
back. low rise human scale building. So we spent

00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:15.030
50 years and billions of pounds just to realize

00:34:15.030 --> 00:34:16.650
that the Victorians kind of had it right in the

00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:18.630
first place. In terms of urban geometry. Yeah.

00:34:18.670 --> 00:34:21.750
It turns out humans like human scale places.

00:34:21.789 --> 00:34:23.929
We like streets. We like corner stores. We do

00:34:23.929 --> 00:34:26.969
not like vast windswept concrete plazas between

00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:29.409
identical towers. So let's try to wrap this all

00:34:29.409 --> 00:34:31.630
up. We've been all over the world. We've looked

00:34:31.630 --> 00:34:34.570
at the ruins. What is the big overarching takeaway

00:34:34.570 --> 00:34:37.570
from all this? I think the biggest takeaway is

00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:41.400
that. A city is not a statue. It's not a fixed

00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.280
thing carved out of stone. It's a flow. It's

00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.000
a living, breathing organism. It metabolizes.

00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:49.920
It metabolizes, exactly. Money flows in, money

00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.940
flows out. People move in, people move out. Policies

00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.079
shift the currents. It's this constant cycle.

00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.679
Construction, flight, decay, and then, if you're

00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.360
lucky, rebirth. But we have to remember the human

00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.400
cost of that cycle. Always. When a city sheds

00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.360
its skin like that, real people get hurt. Generations

00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.920
of family wealth are wiped out. Communities...

00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:11.909
that took a century to build are scattered in

00:35:11.909 --> 00:35:14.610
a decade. There's one last concept in the notes

00:35:14.610 --> 00:35:16.349
that I just want to leave everyone with. It's

00:35:16.349 --> 00:35:20.269
the idea of ruined porn. Ah, yes. The Instagram

00:35:20.269 --> 00:35:22.929
aesthetic. Right. People who travel to Detroit

00:35:22.929 --> 00:35:24.989
or the abandoned resorts in the Catskills just

00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:27.570
to take these beautiful artistic photos of the

00:35:27.570 --> 00:35:29.849
decay. It's clear we have a deep fascination

00:35:29.849 --> 00:35:33.469
with it. We do. We find a strange beauty in the

00:35:33.469 --> 00:35:36.389
failure. It's romantic in a way. But I would

00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:38.449
challenge everyone listening. Don't just look

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:40.469
at the photos online. Look at your own city.

00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:42.769
Yeah. Next time you're driving home from work,

00:35:42.849 --> 00:35:44.889
actually look out the window. And ask yourself,

00:35:45.110 --> 00:35:47.730
what stage of the cycle am I seeing right now?

00:35:48.510 --> 00:35:51.769
Am I in the American donut? Am I seeing the French

00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:55.010
Banlieue model? And look really closely at those

00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:57.909
suburbs. The strip malls with half the storefronts

00:35:57.909 --> 00:36:01.269
empty. the aging apartment complexes? Are we

00:36:01.269 --> 00:36:04.489
witnessing the quiet birth of the suburban prairie?

00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:07.289
That is the question for the next 30 years. On

00:36:07.289 --> 00:36:09.530
that cheery note, this has been The Deep Dive.

00:36:09.730 --> 00:36:11.929
Thanks for exploring the ruins with us. Keep

00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:13.550
looking closer. We'll see you next time.
