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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are tackling

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a subject that is, well, it's literally all around

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us. It is, yeah. It is the floorboards under

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your feet right now. It is the steel beams holding

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up the roof over your head. It is the patch of

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grass at the park. But and here's where it gets

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really heavy. It is also this massive invisible

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engine that drives 39 percent of the world's

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total carbon emissions. An incredible number.

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It's the primary reason for some of the biggest

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geopolitical shifts in human history. And when

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you strip away the Zillow listings and the for

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sale signs, it all boils down to a very specific

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and kind of strange legal definition of what

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a human being can actually own. It is fascinating,

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you know, because when most people. hear the

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words real estate their brain goes to a very

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specific domestic place right to buying a house

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exactly they think of browsing listings checking

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mortgage rates maybe watching those shows where

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people flip houses for a quick profit sure the

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fun stuff the fun stuff but the actual machinery

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behind it the legal the historical the environmental

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machinery is infinitely more complex. It's really

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the operating system of society. And that is

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the goal for today. We want to move beyond scrolling

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through kitchen photos mentality. We want to

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understand the system itself. We are pulling

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from a massive dossier today, primarily analyzing

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the comprehensive breakdown of real estate provided

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in its Wikipedia entry, which covers, I mean,

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it covers everything from Roman law roots to

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modern money laundering. That range is key. Yeah.

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It really is. You can't understand why a condo

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in Manhattan costs $10 million unless you understand

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Roman property rights, the Great Depression,

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and the mechanics of global finance. It's all

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connected. It is all connected. So let's start

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with the absolute basics. And I want to challenge

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the definition right off the bat because it feels

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like something we just take for granted. What

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is real estate? If I buy a house, I tend to think

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I'm buying the structure, you know, the wood,

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the bricks, the windows. Is that accurate? It

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is accurate, but it is incomplete. It's a really

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good starting point. If we look at the core definition,

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Real estate is property consisting of land and

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the buildings on it. Right. But here's the part

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that usually surprises people. It also includes

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the natural resources. Oh, natural resources.

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Yes. That means the props growing on the land,

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the timber standing in the forest, the minerals

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deep under the ground, the water flowing through

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it, and even the wild animals. Hold on. The wild

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animals. If a deer wanders onto my property,

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that deer is technically part of the real estate.

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Well. Not in the sense that you own the deer

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like a pet, but in the legal framework of real

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estate, the entire ecological package is part

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of the land. Huh. If it is attached to the land

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or living off the land, it is considered part

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of the estate. The key phrase you have to lock

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onto here is immovable property. Immovable. Right.

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Real estate is the class of property that you

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cannot pick up and put in your pocket. So it's

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defined by what it isn't. In a way, yes. It is

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the property that stays put. That distinction

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feels crucial because I think in the modern world,

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we conflate property with just stuff. You know,

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I own my phone. I own my car. I own my house.

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It all feels like it's in the same category of

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ownership. But it isn't. Not legally. And this

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is where we get a really interesting aha moment.

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If we look at the etymology, the origin of the

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words themselves. OK. The word real in real estate

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isn't. Real as opposed to fake. Right. It relates

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to the land property itself as distinct from

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personal property. Okay. So real means related

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to the land. Exactly. And the word estate, that

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refers to the interest a person has in that land

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property. Okay. That sounds a bit like legalese.

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Interest in the land. Does that distinction actually

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matter in the real world or is it just something

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lawyers say to bill more hours? Oh, it matters

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immensely. Immensely. Because interest implies

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a relationship. It's not just absolute ownership.

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What do you mean? You can have an interest in

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the land without having total control over it.

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For example, you can have the land, the real,

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but someone else owns the mineral rights underneath

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it. Oh, I've heard of that. Right. So if I sell

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you the real, the surface land. but I keep the

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estate or the interest in the minerals, I can

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technically come back and start drilling in your

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backyard. So real is the dirt and estate is the

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bundle of rights attached to the dirt. That is

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a great way to put it. A perfect way. And to

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clarify that distinction you mentioned between

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stuff and real estate, we have to look at personal

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property. Okay. The law draws a very hard line

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here. Real estate is immovable. Personal property

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is not permanently attached. I assume this is

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why when you buy a house, the seller takes the

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fridge but leaves the built -in dishwasher. Exactly.

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That is the classic example. It's the one everyone

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uses. The fridge is usually on wheels. You can

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unplug it and roll it away. So that's personal

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property. It's personal property, or the old

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term is chattel. The dishwasher, on the other

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hand, is plumbed into the wall. It is screwed

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into the cabinetry. It has become a fixture.

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It has become part of the real estate. It has

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become part of the real estate, correct. So it's

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the difference between a chattel and a fixture.

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Precisely. Vehicles, boats, jewelry, furniture,

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that is all personal property. Even the rolling

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stock of a farm, like the tractors and combines,

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is personal property. Even though it's used on

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the land. Right. But the barn the tractor sits

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in, that's real estate. OK, so we have the definition.

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It's land, it's buildings, it's resources and

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it's immovable. But who can actually own this

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immovable stuff? In my head, I picture a person,

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you know, a family holding a deed, a homeowner.

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But in the U .S. and globally, it's way more

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complicated than just. Bob owns this plot. It

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is. It's vastly more complicated. In the United

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States, ownership isn't limited to individuals

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at all. You have business corporations, nonprofit

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corporations, fiduciaries, fiduciaries, someone

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managing property on behalf of someone else.

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Really, any legal entity defined by state law

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can own real estate. So a building isn't necessarily

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owned by a person. It might be owned by a piece

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of paper that represents a company. Precisely.

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A massive skyscraper might be owned by a limited

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liability corporation, an LLC. A huge tract of

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forest might be owned by a land trust, a nonprofit

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conservation group. Right. The entity holding

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the estate, that interest in the land can vary

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wildly. And that becomes very important later

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when we talk about transparency and. Money laundering.

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We will definitely get to the shady stuff later.

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I'm looking forward to that. But first, I want

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to step back. OK. We have this system where we

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draw invisible lines on the ground and say, this

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is mine. Where did this idea come from? Who decided

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that a square of dirt could belong to a human

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being? This takes us into the history of ownership,

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which is in many ways the history of civilization

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itself. Wow. The source traces the philosophical

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roots back to the concept of a. Natural right

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to own property. You can see seeds of this in

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Roman law and in Greek philosophy. It seems like

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such a fundamental human thing now. This is my

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cave, but I guess at some point it had to be

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codified, written down into law. It did, because

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this is my cave works fine until someone bigger

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comes along with a bigger club. To have a stable

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society, you need a law that says... This is

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his cave, regardless of how big his club is.

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So by the 15th and 16th centuries, you had writers

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discussing what they called universal law or

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natural law regarding private property. And what

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were they grappling with? They were trying to

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figure out international relations, really. If

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a citizen from England owns property but travels

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to France, is it still theirs? How do we handle

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foreign investments? These were new global problems.

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So it was about protecting your assets when you

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weren't standing right next to them to physically

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defend them? Precisely. It's the software that

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runs the hardware of land, the rules that everyone

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agrees to play by. There is a key figure mentioned

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in the source, a Swiss philosopher named Emmerich

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de Wattel. He wrote a treatise in 1758 called

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The Law of Nations, and he really conceptualized

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this idea of private property as a natural law

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that nations had to respect, even with each other's

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citizens. 1758, that's right in the middle of

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the Enlightenment. It is. It's interesting how

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these abstract philosophical ideas translate

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directly into hard cash and fences and, you know.

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property lines. Well, without Vittel and those

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concepts, you don't really have a modern real

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estate market. You just have feudalism or, you

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know, raw conquest. Speaking of the market, the

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source mentions the birth of the appraisal industry.

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I always assumed that was a modern banking thing.

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You know, the bank sends a guy out to make sure

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the house is worth the loan. But this goes back

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way, way further. Much further. It actually began

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in England in the 1500s. The 1500s. Yep. And

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it wasn't about mortgages back then. It was about...

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Agriculture. Agriculture. Well, think about it.

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England was a primarily agrarian society. You

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have landlords, you have tenant farmers. They

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needed to clear land and prepare it for farming.

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Okay. So they needed to know what that land was

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worth in terms of its potential yield. How much

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food could it produce? So the first appraisers

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weren't looking at school districts or crime

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rates or curb appeal. They were looking at soil

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quality. Essentially, yes. They were asking,

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how many bushels of wheat can I grow on this

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field? Or how many turnips can I grow on this

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hillside? That makes so much sense. In England,

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they used the term surveying. But as the practice

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moved to North America, the term appraising became

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the standard. But it's all about the same thing,

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putting a value on the utility of the land. And

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speaking of value. We have to talk about what

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might be the biggest real estate transaction

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of all time, at least in terms of its impact

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on the map. The Louisiana Purchase. The Louisiana

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Purchase. A monumental moment, 1803. I think

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we learn about this in grade school, but we don't

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really think about it as a real estate deal.

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No, we don't. We think of it as history. But

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it was a purchase, a transaction between a seller,

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France, and a buyer, the United States. It was.

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It was signed via treaty. And the numbers, when

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you break them down today, are just absolutely

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staggering in how small they are. Let's unpack

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that math because this blows my mind every time

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I hear it. So the total cost was $15 million.

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Okay. Which sounds like a lot of money in 1803.

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And it was. It was a significant sum. But you

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have to look at what they bought. It literally

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doubled the size of the United States. It paved

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the way for all of Western expansion. And when

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you divide that $15 million by the sheer amount

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of land acquired... Here it comes. It creates

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a price point of roughly $0 .04 per acre. $0

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.04 per acre? You couldn't buy a single plane

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of grass for $0 .04 today. Not even a speck of

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dirt. It is absurd. But why? Why was it so cheap?

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Was the land considered worthless? No, not at

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all. The land was incredibly valuable. It had

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fertile plains, the entire Mississippi River

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system. So what was it then? This teaches us

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a massive lesson about real estate value. Think

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about what that four cents actually represents.

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It wasn't a market price based on soil quality

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or timber. It was a distress sale. Napoleon was

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in trouble. Napoleon was in big trouble. He needed

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cash and he needed it fast for his wars in Europe.

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But more importantly, he couldn't defend the

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territory. He knew that if he didn't sell it

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to the Americans, the British might just take

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it from him or the Americans would eventually

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just expand into it anyway. So he couldn't enforce

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his ownership. He couldn't. It teaches us that

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at the highest level, real estate value is entirely

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dependent on political stability and the ability

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to enforce your claim. You can have the best

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land on Earth, but if you can't stop someone

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else from taking it, it's worth pennies. That

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is a profound point. Value isn't just about the

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dirt. It's about the security of the claim. Exactly.

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So the U .S. gets this massive amount of land

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that opened the floodgates. When did it become

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a business? When did we get the guys in the blazers

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with the business cards? It started to professionalize

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in the mid -19th century. especially in the growing

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cities. The source notes the oldest real estate

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brokerage firm was established in 1855 in Chicago.

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It was originally called L .D. Olmsted &amp; Co.

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And are they still around? I'm curious. They

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are. They are now known as Baird &amp; Warner. That

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is wild. 1855, that's before the Civil War, before

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the light bulb. It shows you how deep the roots

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of this industry are in American cities. Chicago

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was booming. It was the gateway to the West.

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And someone needed to manage the buying and selling

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of all that new property. It makes sense. Then

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as the chaos of the market grew, people realized

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they needed standards. They needed some rules.

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So in 1908, you get the founding of the National

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Association of Realtors, also in Chicago. And

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I noticed the source made a specific point about

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the word realtor. We tend to use real estate

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agent and realtor interchangeably, but they aren't

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the same thing, are they? No. And the association

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is very, very protective of this distinction.

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I bet. The term realtor wasn't coined until 1916.

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It was created specifically to identify these

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professionals who were members of the association

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and crucially adhered to a code of ethics. So

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it was a branding move. It was a branding move,

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essentially, to separate the professionals from

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the casual and perhaps unscrupulous land peddlers

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of the time. It was a way to say, I'm not a shark.

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I'm a realtor. Exactly. You can trust me. So

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things are booming. We have realtors. We have

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firms. Cities are growing. Yeah. And then 1929

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hits. The party stops. The Great Depression.

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And for real estate, it was just catastrophic.

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We talk about stock prices crashing, but real

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estate values fell off a cliff. How bad was it?

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The source says that over the four years following

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the 1929 crash, real estate values depreciated

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by 50%. Half the value gone. Yeah. Just evaporated.

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Think about what that does to an economy. It

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freezes everything. People couldn't sell their

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homes because they were underwater. They owed

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more on the mortgage than the house was worth.

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And banks couldn't lend because all their assets

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are suddenly worth half as much. Exactly. The

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entire system seized up. And that crisis forced

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the government to step in. They couldn't just

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let the housing market die. Right. They basically

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had to invent the modern housing finance system

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from scratch. You get the Banking Act of 1933

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and then the National Housing Act of 1934. And

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what did these do? They created the concept of

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mortgage insurance, managed by the FHA, the Federal

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Housing Administration, and the FDIC. Before

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this, buying a home was incredibly difficult

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for the average person. Why? Because you often

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needed huge down payments, like 50 % of the home's

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value, and very short repayment terms, like 5

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or 10 years. 50 % down. That would make homeownership

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impossible for almost everyone today. It would.

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It was a luxury for the wealthy. These acts were

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designed to try and democratize it, to make it

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accessible. And then came the biggest player

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of all, Fannie Mae. 1938, the Federal National

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Mortgage Association. Yes. And its purpose, which

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sounds very technical, was to serve as a secondary

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market for mortgages. I want to pause on this

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because secondary market is one of those finance

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terms that makes people's eyes glaze over. It

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does. But it's the reason most of us can buy

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homes. Explain it like I'm five. What is a secondary

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market for a mortgage? Okay, that's a great challenge.

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Imagine your local bank is a bathtub full of

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water. The water is the cash they have to lend.

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Okay, I'm with you. Bathtub full of cash. When

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you come in to borrow money for a house, the

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bank takes a big bucket of water out of the tub

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and gives it to you. You promise to pour it back

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in, drop by drop, with interest, over 30 years.

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Makes sense. But if 10 people come in and borrow

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money, the bathtub's empty. The bank has no more

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water to lend. So they're stuck. They are stuck.

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They have to wait for those first 10 people to

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slowly pay them back before they can help the

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11th person. The system jams up. So nobody else

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gets a loan. Right. Fannie Mae was created to

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be a giant tanker truck that pulls up to the

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house. They say to the bank, hey, give us those

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empty buckets the IOUs from the borrowers, and

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we will fill your bathtub back up with cash right

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now. So the bank gets their cash back immediately.

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Correct. Fannie Mae buys the mortgage from the

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bank. Now the bank has liquidity, a full bathtub

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to lend to another homebuyer. It keeps the money

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moving. That's a brilliant analogy. It fundamentally

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changed the accessibility of homeownership in

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America because banks weren't scared of running

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out of cash anymore. That is a huge shift. We

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went from four cents an acre treaties to this

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complex financial engine designed to get people

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into homes. A massive shift. And that brings

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us to what most of us deal with on a daily basis.

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Residential real estate. Residential. Yeah. The

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biggest asset class for most people on the planet.

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It's not just the white picket fence, though,

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is it? The source outlines a pretty diverse landscape.

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No, the classification is broad. Residential

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real estate includes both single -family and

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multi -family structures. The defining characteristic

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is that it's available for occupation or for

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non -business purposes. So living in it. Basically,

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yeah. And despite how expensive it feels to buy

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a home these days, the ownership rate is actually

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still pretty high in the U .S. It is. The source

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cites the Congressional Research Service. And

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in 2021, 65 percent of U .S. homes were owned

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by the person or family occupying it. That is

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a majority, certainly. But home looks different

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depending on where you are. I loved the breakdown

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of housing types in the source. It really shows

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how language shapes our view of property. The

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linguistic differences are great, aren't they?

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Take the difference between an apartment and

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a flat. I always thought flat was just the British

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way of saying apartment. It mostly is, but the

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definitions are specific. An apartment, that's

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American English, is an individual unit in a

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multi -unit building, usually defined by a perimeter

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of locked doors. A flat British English is the

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equivalent. Okay, simple enough. But then you

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have the distinction between a condominium and

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a co -op. This is where people often get confused

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and where they can get into legal trouble if

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they aren't careful. I admit, I use them interchangeably

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sometimes. I bought a condo, I bought a co -op.

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But they are legally very different animals.

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Very, very different. With a condominium or condo,

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you own the unit. You have a deed for your specific

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box of space. The air inside the walls? The air

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inside the walls, the drywall, the floor. You

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own that piece of real estate. The common grounds,

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the hallways, the gym, the pool are shared jointly

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with the other owners. Okay, so I own the apartment

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and we all own the lobby together. Correct. Now,

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a co -op or a housing cooperative is totally

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different. In a co -op, you do not own your unit.

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You do not own any real estate at all. You don't.

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Then what are you paying for? What do you get?

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You are buying shares in a corporation. Oh. That

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corporation owns the entire building. Your shares

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then grant you what's called a proprietary lease,

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which is the right to occupy a specific unit.

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You are a shareholder in a company, not a real

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estate owner in the traditional sense. That is

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a massive difference. That means my neighbors

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are technically my business partners. Exactly.

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Which is why co -op boards are notorious for

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being strict and intrusive. The dreaded co -op

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board interview. Right. If your neighbor stops

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paying their maintenance fees, the corporation

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suffers, which means you suffer financially.

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You are tethered to the other residents in a

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way you just aren't in a condo. That explains

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why they want to see your tax returns and interview

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your dog before they let you move in. Precisely.

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They are protecting the financial health of their

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corporation. And the source notes that this model

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isn't just a New York City quirk. It is actually

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the majority of housing in Indian metro cities.

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Really? Yeah. It's a very common global structure

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for urban living. We also have attached dwellings,

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townhouses, row houses. Terraced houses, as they

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say in the UK. Continuous rows with shared walls

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and no intervening space between them. And then

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the classic detached dwellings. Bungalows, villas,

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split -level homes, mansions. And we shouldn't

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forget the more portable dwellings. Mobile homes,

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houseboats, even tents are listed as a form of

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dwelling walls made of fabric. It challenges

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that idea of immovable property slightly. But

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if it is your primary residence, It fits the

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residential category. The source mentioned some

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cultural specifics that I hadn't heard of before.

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Cholls and avelis. Yes, these are specific housing

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types found in South Asia, particularly India.

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A choll is typically a building with shared amenities,

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often associated with working class, housing

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think, shared balconies, and sometimes shared

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kitchens or bathrooms. A haveli is on the other

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end of the spectrum. It's a traditional townhouse

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or mansion, usually with an inner courtyard,

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historically significant in India and Pakistan.

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And what fascinated me was the measurement systems

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mentioned for these. Yes. We were so used to

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square feet or maybe square meters. Right. But

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for Havelis and Charles, the source mentions

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measurements like the gaz, which is a square

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yard, and other units like quila, marla, and

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bega. It just reminds us that real estate is

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deeply local. The way we measure it, the way

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we name it, and the way we sell it depends entirely

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on the culture and history of a place. So we

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have the types of homes, but let's pivot to the

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mechanics of how this industry actually works

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as a moneymaking machine. We have talked about

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buying a home to live in, but what about the

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business side? The source distinguishes between

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development and investment. And that is a crucial

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distinction to make. Think of development as

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the manufacturing phase. Building the product.

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Exactly. It involves the planning, coordinating,

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construction, and renovation of property. So

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the developers are the ones wearing the hard

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hats, looking at blueprints. Or they're the ones

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hiring the people in hard hats. They are the

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producers of real estate. And here is an interesting

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insight from the source. Real estate development

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can actually be less cyclical than real estate

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investing. That seems counterintuitive. I feel

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like construction stops the moment the economy

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dips. You see those half -finished skeletons

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of buildings during recessions? It can happen,

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for sure. But development projects are often

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extremely long -term. You might plan a building

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today for a market that won't even exist for

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four or five years. So you're betting on the

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future? You're betting on the future. You can't

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just steer that ship around quickly. Investment,

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on the other hand, is about purchasing existing

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property for profit. either from rental income

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or from resale. It reacts much, much faster to

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market changes. An investor can sell a stock

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or a re -chair in a second. A developer can't

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just sell a half -built foundation. Speaking

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of investment, we have to talk about flipping.

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It's basically a genre of reality TV at this

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point. I bought this dump, put in subway tile

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and gray paint, and made 50 grand. It's everywhere.

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Flipping is buying a property with the intention

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of reselling it quickly for a profit. It relies

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on what's called arbitrage, buying low and selling

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high or capitalizing on a quickly rising market.

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And often it involves repairs to force that value

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up. But it is not as easy as TV makes it look,

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I'm guessing. Not at all. The margins can be

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tight and the risk is very high. The source actually

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categorizes investment risks into three buckets,

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which I found interesting. Core. Value -added

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and opportunistic. Yes, this is standard industry

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terminology. What's the difference? Core is your

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safest bet. Think of a fully rented, high -quality

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apartment building in a good city. It generates

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steady income, low risk, lower return. It's like

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a bond in the stock market. Okay, slow and steady.

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Exactly. Value -added is buying something that

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needs working. A fixer -upper. An apartment building

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with high vacancy that you can renovate and lease

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up. You are actively adding value to increase

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the return. So that's where flipping would fall.

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Yes. Flipping is a short -term version of a value

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-add strategy. And then you have opportunistic.

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The high -risk stuff. The highest risk. This

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is ground -up development, buying land and building

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from scratch, or buying in a totally unproven

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emerging market. That's where you can make an

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absolute fortune. or lose your shirt. And there

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is a concept mentioned called hedonic regression,

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which sounds like a very fancy band name, but

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I assume it's an economic term. It is. And it's

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vital for understanding why real estate is a

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tricky investment. It refers to the fact that

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real estate values, specifically the building,

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the improvements, tends to depreciate with age.

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Wait, I thought real estate always goes up. Buy

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land if they aren't making any more of it. The

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land might go up. That's the Mark Twain quote.

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But the house itself is falling apart from the

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second it's built. Oh, right. Think of a house

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like a brand new car that you've parked on a

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plot of solid gold. The house itself is rotting

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a little bit every day. The roof aims for leaks.

00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.500
The pipes aim for rust. The kitchen style goes

00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:54.240
out of fashion. That's hedonic regression. The

00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.519
physical asset is trying to go to zero. Exactly.

00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.220
But the ground beneath it, the gold, is usually

00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:02.759
getting more valuable due to scarcity in location.

00:25:03.379 --> 00:25:05.640
So real estate investing is essentially a bet

00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.460
that the land value will appreciate faster than

00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:10.380
the house falls apart. That is a brilliant way

00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:12.900
to visualize it. You are fighting entropy with

00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:15.180
location. You've got it. Now we need to talk

00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.799
about the darker side of investment. The source

00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.240
brings up luxury real estate, but not in the,

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.019
you know, selling sunset kind of way. It talks

00:25:24.019 --> 00:25:27.859
about it as a vehicle for stored value. This

00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:31.279
is a huge and often invisible phenomenon we see

00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:35.259
in major global cities. London, New York City,

00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:39.680
Vancouver, Miami. And what does that mean, stored

00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.680
value? It means luxury real estate isn't always

00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.220
about having a place to sleep. For a certain

00:25:45.220 --> 00:25:47.759
class of global elite, it is often used as a

00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.319
safety deposit box made of concrete and glass.

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.359
So people buy a $50 million penthouse and just

00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:55.880
leave it empty. Exactly. The source is explicit

00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.019
about this. It says luxury real estate is used

00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:00.240
to store value, particularly by wealthy foreigners.

00:26:00.460 --> 00:26:03.240
And sometimes it's for a more nefarious purpose,

00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.660
money laundering. I think we hear money laundering

00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:07.579
and we think of, I don't know, casinos or strip

00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:09.339
clubs from the movies. How do you launder money

00:26:09.339 --> 00:26:11.559
with a penthouse? It's actually cleaner and easier

00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.880
with real estate. Let's trace the money. Suppose

00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:16.980
you are a corrupt foreign official or a criminal

00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:19.440
in a country with a weak rule of law. You have

00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.440
$10 million in illicit cash that you don't want

00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.630
your government to find and seize. You can't

00:26:24.630 --> 00:26:26.450
just put it in a bank account because they'll

00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:28.289
ask questions about where it came from. Right.

00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:30.910
Anti -money laundering laws. Exactly. So what

00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:33.430
do you do? You set up a shell company, let's

00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:36.930
say an LLC in Delaware, where corporate anonymity

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:39.529
laws are famously very strong. You don't have

00:26:39.529 --> 00:26:41.650
to list your name on the public documents. Okay.

00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:46.589
So now Mystery LLC exists. Mystery LLC then takes

00:26:46.589 --> 00:26:50.430
your $10 million in cash and buys a luxury condo

00:26:50.430 --> 00:26:53.529
in Manhattan. It pays in an all -cash transaction.

00:26:53.950 --> 00:26:56.089
And that's key. No mortgage. That's the key.

00:26:56.210 --> 00:26:58.710
Because there is no mortgage. There is no bank

00:26:58.710 --> 00:27:01.490
scrutiny. No lender is doing a background check

00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:04.170
on you or your source of funds. So the seller

00:27:04.170 --> 00:27:08.049
gets the cash and Mystery LLC gets the deed to

00:27:08.049 --> 00:27:10.809
the property. Correct. And just like that, your

00:27:10.809 --> 00:27:13.410
dirty money has been converted into a clean physical

00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:17.170
asset, a penthouse on 57th Street. It is stable.

00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.079
It holds value, and it is incredibly hard for

00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:21.900
your home government to touch because it's now

00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:24.319
under U .S. law and owned by a faceless corporation.

00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:26.119
And you don't even have to live there. You don't

00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.400
even need a key. You don't want to. You just

00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.119
want the asset. That explains why you see those

00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.980
super tall, super skinny pencil towers in New

00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:37.019
York that look completely dark at night. Nobody

00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:40.099
is home. Nobody is home. The vacancy is a feature,

00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.539
not a bug. They have no intention of renting

00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:44.640
them out. It's just a line item on a balance

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.319
sheet. It's a gold bar shaped like a living room.

00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:49.970
It's incredible to think about a home that isn't

00:27:49.970 --> 00:27:52.089
a home. It really challenges that definition

00:27:52.089 --> 00:27:54.549
of residential we started with, doesn't it? Is

00:27:54.549 --> 00:27:57.410
it really residential real estate if no one resides

00:27:57.410 --> 00:28:00.390
there? That's a great question. We spent a lot

00:28:00.390 --> 00:28:03.490
of time talking about the financial cost of ownership

00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:06.910
mortgages, flipping, laundering. But there is

00:28:06.910 --> 00:28:09.509
a hitting cost on the balance sheet that doesn't

00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:12.509
show up in dollars. It shows up in carbon. And

00:28:12.509 --> 00:28:15.109
right now, the bill is coming due. You mentioned

00:28:15.109 --> 00:28:18.059
this stat in the intro. And it really bears repeating

00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:20.960
because it's so shocking. Real estate is responsible

00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.059
for 39 percent of total emissions worldwide.

00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:27.039
39 percent. That data comes from the International

00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.920
Energy Agency from 2019. It's a staggering figure.

00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.200
That is almost half of the world's emissions

00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.880
coming from buildings. That seems impossibly

00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.339
high. Is that just from, you know, leaving the

00:28:37.339 --> 00:28:39.019
lights on and running the air conditioning? No.

00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.240
And that's the common misconception. We need

00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.980
to break that number down. A huge chunk of that.

00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.900
11 % of total global emissions comes specifically

00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:52.440
from the manufacturing of materials used in buildings.

00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.420
The concrete, the steel, the glass. Exactly.

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.259
This is called embodied carbon. The process of

00:28:59.259 --> 00:29:01.559
making cement, for example, is incredibly carbon

00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.700
intensive. It involves heating limestone to extreme

00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:07.279
temperatures, which releases enormous amounts

00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.410
of CO2. So before a building even opens its doors,

00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:12.630
before a single light switch is flipped for the

00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:15.069
first time, it has already accrued this huge

00:29:15.069 --> 00:29:18.269
carbon debt. A massive carbon debt. So even if

00:29:18.269 --> 00:29:21.009
you build a super efficient net zero house that

00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:24.069
runs on solar power, the concrete in the foundation

00:29:24.069 --> 00:29:26.450
alone has already done significant environmental

00:29:26.450 --> 00:29:29.069
damage. Wow. And the source mentions that this

00:29:29.069 --> 00:29:31.490
environmental relationship goes both ways. The

00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:33.309
environment impacts the real estate value, too.

00:29:33.430 --> 00:29:36.210
Well, environmental degradation can severely

00:29:36.210 --> 00:29:39.990
devalue property. If you discover the soil on

00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:42.250
a property is contaminated from an old factory

00:29:42.250 --> 00:29:45.490
or the air quality is terrible or it's in a new

00:29:45.490 --> 00:29:48.769
flood zone due to climate change, the value plummets.

00:29:48.769 --> 00:29:51.509
Right. This has driven a huge demand for what

00:29:51.509 --> 00:29:54.210
are called site assessments or ESAs. What is

00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:56.890
an ESA? An environmental site assessment. Nowadays,

00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:59.089
for almost any commercial real estate deal or

00:29:59.089 --> 00:30:01.789
private development, you have environmental surveyors

00:30:01.789 --> 00:30:04.220
and engineers come in. And what do they do? They

00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:06.599
examine the land for any existing contamination,

00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.519
and they also analyze the potential environmental

00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.059
impact of the new development. You can't just

00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:14.680
build blindly anymore. If you buy a piece of

00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.799
land that turns out to be a toxic waste dump,

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.420
you are now liable for the cleanup. So it's a

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.420
huge financial risk. A massive risk. And this,

00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:24.720
in turn, has led to the rise of green development.

00:30:25.069 --> 00:30:27.170
Which has been growing since the 1970s environmental

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:29.410
movement, right? It has. It's not just a buzzword

00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:31.769
anymore. The source says it focuses on three

00:30:31.769 --> 00:30:34.910
key areas. Environmental responsiveness, resource

00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:37.829
efficiency, and sensitivity to cultural and societal

00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:41.190
aspects. So things like LE certification for

00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:44.950
buildings. Yes, LE is a big one. Also green infrastructure,

00:30:45.170 --> 00:30:48.230
like permeable pavements and green roofs, and

00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:50.750
conservation development, where you cluster homes

00:30:50.750 --> 00:30:53.710
to preserve open space. But that third point

00:30:53.710 --> 00:30:57.029
stood out to me. sensitivity to cultural and

00:30:57.029 --> 00:30:59.710
societal aspects. Yeah. Usually when we talk

00:30:59.710 --> 00:31:02.509
green, we talk about energy usage or water conservation.

00:31:02.849 --> 00:31:05.190
But this implies that fitting into the community

00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:07.970
is part of being sustainable. It is. A building

00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:11.150
that the community hates or that displaces a

00:31:11.150 --> 00:31:13.670
vulnerable population isn't truly sustainable

00:31:13.670 --> 00:31:16.549
because it creates social friction and instability.

00:31:16.710 --> 00:31:18.690
That's a really good point. Which is a perfect

00:31:18.690 --> 00:31:21.150
segue to the societal and legal side of real

00:31:21.150 --> 00:31:23.630
estate. Because real estate is where society

00:31:23.630 --> 00:31:26.369
physically organized itself. And historically,

00:31:26.509 --> 00:31:28.769
that organization hasn't always been fair. No,

00:31:28.869 --> 00:31:31.109
it has not. The source brings up the Civil Rights

00:31:31.109 --> 00:31:34.430
Act, specifically Title VIII. Which is better

00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:37.549
known as the Fair Housing Act of 1968. This was

00:31:37.549 --> 00:31:39.589
a landmark piece of legislation in the United

00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:42.069
States. And what did it address? It directly

00:31:42.069 --> 00:31:44.210
addressed the long history of racial segregation

00:31:44.210 --> 00:31:47.990
in housing. It was meant to help with the incorporation

00:31:47.990 --> 00:31:50.529
of African Americans into neighborhoods where

00:31:50.529 --> 00:31:52.849
they had been previously excluded. What did it

00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:55.470
actually do? Because we know segregation was

00:31:55.470 --> 00:31:58.529
the norm for a long time. It analyzed and outlawed

00:31:58.529 --> 00:32:01.329
discrimination in renting, buying and financing

00:32:01.329 --> 00:32:05.630
based on race, religion, national origin and

00:32:05.630 --> 00:32:08.990
sex. Before this, you could legally refuse to

00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:11.250
sell a house to someone just because of the color

00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:13.569
of their skin. A bank could refuse a mortgage

00:32:13.569 --> 00:32:16.190
on the same basis. Exactly. Or a developer could

00:32:16.190 --> 00:32:18.349
put a restrictive covenant in the deed of a house

00:32:18.349 --> 00:32:20.789
saying this house can never be sold to a black

00:32:20.789 --> 00:32:23.099
family. Or a Jewish family. Which happened all

00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:25.720
the time. All the time. The Fair Housing Act

00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.220
was the legal mechanism to try and stop that.

00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.099
It's a powerful reminder that real estate laws

00:32:31.099 --> 00:32:33.920
are often civil rights laws. Because access to

00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.839
property is access to wealth. It is. If you are

00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.839
systematically locked out of the real estate

00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.119
market, you're locked out of the primary way

00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.380
that most families build generational wealth.

00:32:43.940 --> 00:32:47.960
Precisely. The way we access that market, the

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.240
information about it, changed forever in 1999.

00:32:51.700 --> 00:32:54.500
The internet era arrives. The source notes that

00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:56.880
real estate platforms appeared on the World Wide

00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.700
Web in 1999. This changed everything. Before

00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:03.039
that, the realtor held all the cards. They had

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.880
the book. They had the big book of listings,

00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:07.420
the MLS book. You had to go to their office to

00:33:07.420 --> 00:33:09.759
see what was for sale in your town. Information

00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.650
was hoarded. It was a key part of their value

00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:15.910
proposition. Now that information is democratized.

00:33:16.009 --> 00:33:18.170
Absolutely. I can sit in my pajamas in Chicago

00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:20.849
and see inside a house in Tokyo. I can check

00:33:20.849 --> 00:33:23.470
the tax history, the school ratings, the price

00:33:23.470 --> 00:33:25.789
history for the entire neighborhood. It completely

00:33:25.789 --> 00:33:28.130
leveled the playing field for the buyer. But

00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:30.890
while the information is easier to get, the legal

00:33:30.890 --> 00:33:33.529
concepts behind it are still incredibly dense.

00:33:33.710 --> 00:33:35.990
They are. And just as important as ever. There

00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:38.250
are a few terms in the source that I've heard

00:33:38.250 --> 00:33:40.690
thrown around in movies or TV shows, but I frankly

00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:42.890
don't really know what they mean. I want to unpack

00:33:42.890 --> 00:33:45.170
these because they define what you actually own.

00:33:45.289 --> 00:33:48.089
Let's do it. Let's start with fee simple. It

00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:51.029
sounds like a paradox. Simple, and yet there's

00:33:51.029 --> 00:33:53.250
a fee. It does, but it's the most common and

00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:56.109
most complete form of ownership. When you buy

00:33:56.109 --> 00:33:59.309
a house, you assume you own it entirely, forever.

00:33:59.789 --> 00:34:02.190
In the law, that's called a fee simple estate.

00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:04.910
Okay. Think of it as owning the whole bundle

00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:07.410
of sticks. You can sell it. You can lease it.

00:34:07.430 --> 00:34:09.670
You can burn it down if you want. You can leave

00:34:09.670 --> 00:34:11.469
it to your kids. You can paint it bright pink.

00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:15.190
It is the absolute ownership of the land. OK,

00:34:15.269 --> 00:34:17.789
so fee simple is the gold standard of ownership.

00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:20.610
Contrast that with something called a life estate.

00:34:20.829 --> 00:34:22.949
A life estate is like owning a book, but you

00:34:22.949 --> 00:34:24.889
have to give it back to the library when you

00:34:24.889 --> 00:34:27.130
die. That's a great way to put it. I could give

00:34:27.130 --> 00:34:29.349
you a house, but specify in the deed that it

00:34:29.349 --> 00:34:31.050
is a life estate. You can live there for your

00:34:31.050 --> 00:34:32.889
entire life. You can even rent it out and collect

00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:35.469
the income, but you can't sell it. and you can't

00:34:35.469 --> 00:34:37.170
leave it to your children in your will. When

00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:39.590
you die, the house automatically reverts back

00:34:39.590 --> 00:34:42.150
to me or my heirs, or it goes to someone else

00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:44.369
I designated from the start. That feels very

00:34:44.369 --> 00:34:48.110
Downton Abbey. It's a way to control property

00:34:48.110 --> 00:34:51.090
from beyond the grave. It is. It's an old concept

00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:53.610
from English common law. Now, what happens if

00:34:53.610 --> 00:34:57.070
you own a property fee, simple, but you die and

00:34:57.070 --> 00:34:59.369
you have no will and no heirs? The house just

00:34:59.369 --> 00:35:02.130
sits empty forever, becomes a haunted house.

00:35:02.369 --> 00:35:05.519
No. This is where a fantastic legal term called

00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.360
eschete comes in. Eschete. Sounds like cheating.

00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:11.159
It's an old feudal term. It basically means the

00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.840
property transfers to the state. The legal theory

00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.059
is that property can't just belong to no one,

00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:18.159
so the government is the ultimate backup owner.

00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:21.239
If there is no legal owner found, the state takes

00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.679
it. Okay, so that's how you lose property by

00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.119
dying. But the source mentions a way to gain

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.960
property by, well, basically by stealing it,

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.880
right? Adverse possession. The squatter's rights

00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.139
law. This one always fascinates people. It's

00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:36.940
essentially acquiring property rights through

00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:39.639
usage and occupation without paying for it. How

00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.539
does that actually work? I can't just camp in

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:43.300
your yard for a week and then claim it's mine.

00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:45.780
No, it's much harder than that. The use has to

00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:48.179
be open and notorious. You can't be hiding. It

00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:50.519
has to be continuous, hostile meaning without

00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.539
the owner's permission and exclusive for a certain

00:35:53.539 --> 00:35:56.480
number of years. And how long is that? It varies

00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.360
by state, but it's usually a long time, like

00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.119
10, 15, or even 20 years. So if there is a vacant

00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.699
lot next to my house that nobody uses, and I

00:36:03.699 --> 00:36:05.960
start mowing it, put up a fence, plant a garden,

00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:08.800
and the legal owner just ignores me for 20 years.

00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.500
You might be able to go to court and claim that

00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:13.940
the property is legally yours through adverse

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:17.059
possession. The law assumes that land should

00:36:17.059 --> 00:36:20.190
be used productively. If the owner cares so little

00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:22.070
about their property that they don't even notice

00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:25.090
you fencing it off for two decades, the law eventually

00:36:25.090 --> 00:36:28.110
sides with the productive user over the negligent

00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:31.650
owner. That is wild. It's use it or lose it codified

00:36:31.650 --> 00:36:35.369
into law. It is. Last one, Torrens title. What

00:36:35.369 --> 00:36:37.449
is that? This is a system of land registration

00:36:37.449 --> 00:36:40.480
that's designed to simplify things. In most of

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.800
the U .S., to prove you own a house, you have

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.920
to trace the deeds back 60 or more years to make

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.320
sure the chain of title is clean and nobody else

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.519
has a claim. Right. Title insurance. Exactly.

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.320
A torn title system gets rid of that. The government

00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.360
maintains a single definitive register of who

00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.980
owns what. If your name is on the register as

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:03.019
the owner, you own it. Period. There's no need

00:37:03.019 --> 00:37:05.840
to look at old deeds from 1920. It makes transferring

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.380
property much safer and faster. It's amazing

00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:11.340
how much language and how many concepts are hidden

00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:13.960
inside the walls of a house. We think of it as

00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.619
bricks and pipes, but it's really a construct

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of words and laws. It really is. It's an abstract

00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:20.400
concept made physical. So we have covered a lot

00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.320
of ground today. Pun absolutely intended. We

00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.380
started with the core definition. It's the land

00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:28.039
plus the estate, the interest in it. We went

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.659
back to the Romans and the philosophical idea

00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:33.880
of a natural right to property. We saw the industry

00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.940
rise from agricultural appraisers in the 1500s

00:37:36.940 --> 00:37:38.980
who were basically just counting turnips to the

00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:41.059
massive Baird and Warner brokerage in Chicago.

00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:44.750
We watched the market crash in 1929 and get completely

00:37:44.750 --> 00:37:47.170
rebuilt by Fannie Mae filling up that liquidity

00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:49.409
bathtub for the banks. We looked at the difference

00:37:49.409 --> 00:37:52.050
between a condo and a co -op owning the box versus

00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.070
owning the shares and how luxury apartments in

00:37:55.070 --> 00:37:57.190
New York are sometimes just piggy banks for money

00:37:57.190 --> 00:37:59.949
launderers using anonymous Delaware LLCs. And

00:37:59.949 --> 00:38:02.849
we confronted that huge environmental cost, the

00:38:02.849 --> 00:38:06.670
39 percent, the embodied carbon debt and the

00:38:06.670 --> 00:38:08.730
legal frameworks that try to keep the system

00:38:08.730 --> 00:38:11.860
fair, like the Fair Housing Act. It really drives

00:38:11.860 --> 00:38:13.960
home the point that real estate isn't just about

00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.780
location, location, location. It's about law,

00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:20.349
history and environment. Absolutely. It is the

00:38:20.349 --> 00:38:22.550
physical manifestation of our economy and our

00:38:22.550 --> 00:38:25.409
legal system. Whether it is a tiny home on wheels

00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:28.650
or a massive skyscraper, every single piece of

00:38:28.650 --> 00:38:30.590
real estate tells a story about who owns it,

00:38:30.650 --> 00:38:32.710
how they bought it, and what rights they have.

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And as we wrap up, I want to leave the listener

00:38:34.909 --> 00:38:36.610
with a thought that really stuck out to me from

00:38:36.610 --> 00:38:38.750
the see also section of the source material.

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It was just a single line item. It listed extraterrestrial

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real estate. Oh, yes. The ownership claims of

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property on other planets or moons. It sounds

00:38:47.210 --> 00:38:49.679
like a joke, like science fiction. But think

00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.619
back to Louisiana Purchase. France claimed a

00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:55.280
massive chunk of North America, a place they

00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.780
could barely control, sold it to the U .S. for

00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:00.059
four cents an acre. And that changed history.

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Right. That was based on the natural law of the

00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:05.820
time. We are now entering an era where companies

00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:08.019
and countries are seriously looking at the moon

00:39:08.019 --> 00:39:11.269
and Mars as places to set up shop. It raises

00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:14.429
the ultimate question. Do the concepts of natural

00:39:14.429 --> 00:39:17.150
law and property rights that we discussed today

00:39:17.150 --> 00:39:20.809
apply in space? Can you have a fee -simple estate

00:39:20.809 --> 00:39:24.389
on a crater on the moon? If Elon Musk builds

00:39:24.389 --> 00:39:26.730
a base on Mars and stays there for 20 years,

00:39:26.869 --> 00:39:29.510
is that adverse possession against humanity?

00:39:29.869 --> 00:39:31.750
It's a wild thought. We are still figuring out

00:39:31.750 --> 00:39:33.269
how to share the Earth and pretty soon we'll

00:39:33.269 --> 00:39:35.070
have to figure out how to share the stars. Indeed.

00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:38.840
The law of nations might be the law of planets.

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So the next time you walk into your apartment

00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:43.679
or look at a for sale sign, remember, you aren't

00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.280
just looking at bricks and mortar. You are looking

00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.159
at thousands of years of history, law, and incredibly

00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:53.000
complex machinery. And maybe, just maybe, a little

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.579
bit of future space law in the making. Thanks

00:39:55.579 --> 00:39:57.340
for listening to this deep dive. We'll see you

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next time.
