WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.160 Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are strapping 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.440 in for a ride that is, quite frankly, a little 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.179 bit louder, a little bit faster, and a whole 00:00:09.179 --> 00:00:11.580 lot more chaotic than our usual fare. That's 00:00:11.580 --> 00:00:13.599 putting it mildly. We are looking at a figure 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.100 who essentially wrote the rulebook on rock and 00:00:16.100 --> 00:00:19.140 roll excess. And then, arguably, tore it up and 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:22.160 rewrote it for the reality TV generation, and 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:24.980 then rewrote it again for the internet age. Exactly. 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:27.699 We are talking about a man known just as much 00:00:27.699 --> 00:00:30.539 for the tabloid headlines. I mean, the whirlwind 00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:33.539 marriages, the arrests, the leaked tapes, as 00:00:33.539 --> 00:00:37.619 he is for his undeniable technical prowess behind 00:00:37.619 --> 00:00:40.140 a drum kit. Absolutely. We are diving deep into 00:00:40.140 --> 00:00:42.539 the life of Thomas Lee Bass, better known to 00:00:42.539 --> 00:00:45.439 the entire world as simply Tommy Lee. It is a 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:47.719 fascinating case study, and we have a massive 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.840 stack of sources here today, biographical records, 00:00:50.060 --> 00:00:52.140 discographies, legal histories, media summaries. 00:00:52.259 --> 00:00:54.799 And our mission really is to peel back that bad 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.359 boy image. We want to understand the musical 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.700 evolution, this relentless need for reinvention. 00:01:00.740 --> 00:01:04.680 I mean, from glam metal to rap rock to becoming 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.879 an electronic DJ and, you know, how his tumultuous 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.620 personal life really defined an era of celebrity 00:01:10.620 --> 00:01:13.120 culture. It's such a wild story. And honestly, 00:01:13.260 --> 00:01:15.719 when you look at the raw. data, the image you 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.079 have of Tommy Lee, you know, the tattoos, the 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.859 leather, the screaming fans. It actually starts 00:01:20.859 --> 00:01:22.599 in a place you would never expect. Right. It 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.280 doesn't start on the Sunset Strip. It starts 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.780 in Athens, Greece. That is right. He wasn't born 00:01:26.780 --> 00:01:30.120 in Hollywood. He was born October 3, 1962 in 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.400 Athens. His birth name is Thomas Lee Bass. And 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.140 his parentage is this really, really interesting 00:01:36.140 --> 00:01:39.140 mix of discipline and glamour right from the 00:01:39.140 --> 00:01:41.200 very start. OK, let's unpack this family tree 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.799 because it feels like it explains a lot about 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.620 his future. His father. David Lee Thomas Bass 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:47.920 was a sergeant in the U .S. Army. Correct. So 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:49.659 you have that military structure, the discipline, 00:01:49.980 --> 00:01:52.540 the order, you know, a very regimented world. 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.459 And then on the complete other side of the spectrum, 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.640 his mother, the Saliki Vula Papadimitriou, was 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.739 a contestant in the 1957 Miss Greece beauty contest. 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:02.980 Talk about a genetic intersection, right? You 00:02:02.980 --> 00:02:05.640 have the rigid structure of the military on one 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.460 side and the world of aesthetics, pageantry, 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.659 performance, and, you know, being in the spotlight 00:02:11.659 --> 00:02:14.520 on the other. It's incredible. When do they come 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.599 to the States? The family moved to the U .S., 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.840 specifically California, when Lee was about two 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.020 years old. But you have to wonder if that duality, 00:02:22.099 --> 00:02:24.400 the sergeant and the beauty queen, played a role 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.919 in his psyche from day one. It's the classic 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.180 nature versus nurture debate, isn't it? Yeah. 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.219 You have the drive for this like regimented. 00:02:32.490 --> 00:02:35.210 precision, this almost military drumming style. 00:02:35.469 --> 00:02:38.090 Fighting against or maybe working with the drive 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:40.710 for the spotlight, for the showmanship. For the 00:02:40.710 --> 00:02:43.550 spectacle. Exactly. And the music started early. 00:02:43.789 --> 00:02:46.250 The sources say he got his first drumsticks at 00:02:46.250 --> 00:02:48.389 age four. That's, I mean, that is barely out 00:02:48.389 --> 00:02:50.250 of toddler's clothes. At four years old, most 00:02:50.250 --> 00:02:51.969 kids are, I don't know, playing with blocks and 00:02:51.969 --> 00:02:53.710 he's holding the tools of his trade. And he got 00:02:53.710 --> 00:02:57.169 his first proper kit as a teenager. But here's 00:02:57.169 --> 00:02:59.830 the detail that always, and I mean always, gets 00:02:59.830 --> 00:03:01.909 people. The detail that just doesn't Doesn't 00:03:01.909 --> 00:03:04.509 fit the Motley Crue persona. Oh, I think I know 00:03:04.509 --> 00:03:06.409 where you're going with this. It's not the rock 00:03:06.409 --> 00:03:08.729 club, is it? Not even close. It's the high school 00:03:08.729 --> 00:03:11.289 football field. Tommy Lee was a marching band 00:03:11.289 --> 00:03:14.770 kid. Get out. Really? The guy who spins upside 00:03:14.770 --> 00:03:16.990 down in a cage was in the high school marching 00:03:16.990 --> 00:03:19.610 band. He attended Royal Oak High School and was 00:03:19.610 --> 00:03:22.169 right there in the percussion line, the drum 00:03:22.169 --> 00:03:24.310 line. And if you think about it musically, it 00:03:24.310 --> 00:03:28.389 makes perfect sense. How so? Well, marching band 00:03:28.389 --> 00:03:32.219 drumming requires... incredible precision stamina 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:35.539 and you know rudimental skill it's not just bashing 00:03:35.539 --> 00:03:37.620 away it is incredibly technical you have to be 00:03:37.620 --> 00:03:40.699 locked in with like 10 other people perfectly 00:03:40.699 --> 00:03:45.000 that is a great point it explains why even amidst 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.840 all the chaos of his later career the beat was 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.180 always solid He wasn't just a thrasher. He had 00:03:50.180 --> 00:03:53.060 actual legitimate training. Precisely. And at 00:03:53.060 --> 00:03:55.000 the same time, he was soaking in all the rock 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.439 gods. He was listening to Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.979 Cheap Trick, Kiss, ACDC, all the greats. And 00:04:01.979 --> 00:04:04.780 his idols. Who was he trying to be? His drumming 00:04:04.780 --> 00:04:07.699 idols were John Bonham. Tommy Aldridge, Alex 00:04:07.699 --> 00:04:10.319 Van Halen and Terry Bozzio. So he was soaking 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.000 in that big theatrical arena rock sound, but 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.220 he had that discipline foundation from school. 00:04:16.339 --> 00:04:18.839 It's a killer combination. But obviously the 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.319 classroom couldn't hold him. He dropped out of 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.759 Royal Oak High to pursue music full time. He 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.379 did. He left in his senior year to focus on his 00:04:26.379 --> 00:04:28.899 band. And he started hitting the L .A. club circuit. 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:31.839 This was the late 70s, early 80s, the Sunset 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.339 Strip. It was the place to be. He was in a band 00:04:34.339 --> 00:04:37.230 called Sweet 19. Sweet 19. That is just the most 00:04:37.230 --> 00:04:39.629 perfectly era appropriate name I can imagine. 00:04:39.829 --> 00:04:42.029 Isn't it? And they were playing alongside these 00:04:42.029 --> 00:04:45.310 rising acts like Van Halen and Quiet Riot. This 00:04:45.310 --> 00:04:48.209 was the incubator, the primordial suit for what 00:04:48.209 --> 00:04:50.670 became glam metal. Right. The whole scene was 00:04:50.670 --> 00:04:52.509 just exploding right there. And this is where 00:04:52.509 --> 00:04:54.629 he physically transformed, too. He earned the 00:04:54.629 --> 00:04:56.769 nickname T -Bone because he was six foot two 00:04:56.769 --> 00:04:59.149 and a half inches tall and incredibly lean. He 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:01.569 was the striking larger than life figure even 00:05:01.569 --> 00:05:04.089 before the fame. So he's on the strip. He's got 00:05:04.089 --> 00:05:05.610 the look. He's making it. a name for himself 00:05:05.610 --> 00:05:08.689 as a drummer. And then he meets the guy who would 00:05:08.689 --> 00:05:10.910 become his partner in crime for the next few 00:05:10.910 --> 00:05:14.689 decades. This is the pivotal moment. Nikki Sixx. 00:05:14.730 --> 00:05:16.589 What was Sixx doing at the time? Nikki Sixx was 00:05:16.589 --> 00:05:18.810 playing in bands like Sister in London. He was 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:22.389 already a known quantity on the scene. And Sixx 00:05:22.389 --> 00:05:24.569 had a vision. He didn't just want a rock band. 00:05:24.769 --> 00:05:27.170 He wanted a theatrical experience. He was borrowing 00:05:27.170 --> 00:05:31.189 from, you know, occult imagery, shock value, 00:05:31.550 --> 00:05:34.870 Kiss, Alice Cooper. He wanted the whole package. 00:05:35.050 --> 00:05:37.110 The whole package. He saw Tommy Lee play and 00:05:37.110 --> 00:05:39.529 realized this is the engine. This is the drummer. 00:05:39.730 --> 00:05:41.370 So what happened? Did he poach him from Sweet 00:05:41.370 --> 00:05:43.860 19? Essentially, yeah. Yeah. When Six's band 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:46.779 London broke up in 1981, he and Lee decided to 00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:48.819 form a new band together. They had the rhythm 00:05:48.819 --> 00:05:50.660 section locked down. And then they found Mick 00:05:50.660 --> 00:05:53.019 Mars. Right. They put an ad in the paper, loud, 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.600 rude, aggressive guitarist, and Mick Mars answered. 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.639 So they had the bass, drums, and guitar, but 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.319 they needed a singer. And this is where that 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.180 high school connection comes back, right? The 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:06.250 marching band pays off again. It does. Lee remembered 00:06:06.250 --> 00:06:08.529 a casual acquaintance from Royal Oak High School, 00:06:08.689 --> 00:06:11.329 this charismatic blonde frontman named Vince 00:06:11.329 --> 00:06:13.470 Neil, who was playing in a cover band called 00:06:13.470 --> 00:06:16.050 Rock Candy. So Tommy recommends him. Yep. He 00:06:16.050 --> 00:06:18.089 recommended him. Neil came in for an audition 00:06:18.089 --> 00:06:21.389 and that was it. Muttley Crew was born. It's 00:06:21.389 --> 00:06:24.110 just amazing how serendipitous that is. Just 00:06:24.110 --> 00:06:27.370 four specific guys in L .A. at that specific 00:06:27.370 --> 00:06:30.129 time. And suddenly they're forming a unit that 00:06:30.129 --> 00:06:32.470 would basically dominate the entire decade. And 00:06:32.470 --> 00:06:35.259 the rise was, I mean. Meteoric doesn't even do 00:06:35.259 --> 00:06:37.779 it justice. They released their debut album, 00:06:37.939 --> 00:06:41.579 Too Fast for Love, in 1981 on their own independent 00:06:41.579 --> 00:06:44.519 label, Leather Records. Leather with an umlaut, 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.720 of course. Naturally. It's a requirement. And 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.899 it sold, I think, around 20 ,000 copies just 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:51.199 on its own. Which is huge for an indie release 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.259 back then. Huge. And a guy who let your records 00:06:53.259 --> 00:06:55.319 hurt it saw them play and signed them almost 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.740 immediately. He reissued the album in 1982 and 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:01.560 then, boom. The floodgates opened. Completely. 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.120 Shout at the Devil in 83, which went four times 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.439 platinum. Theater of Pain in 85, Girls, Girls, 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.579 Girls in 87. And then the big one, Dr. Feelgood 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:13.959 in 89, which was their only album to hit number 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:17.180 one. They were essentially printing money and 00:07:17.180 --> 00:07:19.600 platinum records for 10 years straight. They 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.800 were the kings of the decade. Absolutely. But 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.639 it wasn't just the music, was it? We touched 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.480 on this earlier. Lee wasn't content to just sit 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.529 back there and keep time. He had to be the show. 00:07:29.670 --> 00:07:31.850 He had to be the center of attention, even from 00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:33.730 the back of the stage. This is where the Terror 00:07:33.730 --> 00:07:36.930 Twins nickname comes in for Lee and Six. They 00:07:36.930 --> 00:07:40.670 were the engines of chaos. But on stage, Lee 00:07:40.670 --> 00:07:43.230 revolutionized what a drum solo could be. It 00:07:43.230 --> 00:07:45.269 wasn't just about the notes. It was about gravity 00:07:45.269 --> 00:07:47.930 or, you know, defying gravity. The spinning drum 00:07:47.930 --> 00:07:50.029 kit. The spinning drum kit. The revolving drum 00:07:50.029 --> 00:07:52.209 kit. He had a kit that could be suspended on 00:07:52.209 --> 00:07:54.569 a track above the crowd and go end over end. 00:07:54.689 --> 00:07:56.790 I remember seeing footage of that. It's insane. 00:07:56.930 --> 00:07:59.730 He's upside down playing the kick drum, blood 00:07:59.730 --> 00:08:02.310 rushing to his head, just wailing away. It is 00:08:02.310 --> 00:08:04.670 performance art mixed with heavy metal and like 00:08:04.670 --> 00:08:08.860 an amusement park ride. It was dangerous. Things 00:08:08.860 --> 00:08:11.500 went wrong. He got stuck upside down once. No 00:08:11.500 --> 00:08:14.079 way. Yeah, for a while. But it was part of the 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:15.540 appeal. You didn't know what was going to happen. 00:08:15.620 --> 00:08:17.879 And of course, there was the lowbrow humor. He 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:19.680 was known for mooning the audience at nearly 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:23.379 every show. It was this perfect mix of high tech, 00:08:23.620 --> 00:08:27.259 expensive stagecraft and just, you know, juvenile 00:08:27.259 --> 00:08:30.689 rebellion. And the offstage lifestyle was. Well, 00:08:30.689 --> 00:08:33.230 decadent is a very polite word for it. Decadent 00:08:33.230 --> 00:08:35.970 is the word the sources use. Yes. Yeah. The book 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:38.929 they wrote, The Dirt, it's legendary for its 00:08:38.929 --> 00:08:41.309 honesty about that period. Excessive amounts 00:08:41.309 --> 00:08:45.330 of cocaine, heroin, pills, alcohol. They were 00:08:45.330 --> 00:08:47.909 living the lifestyle that most bands only pretended 00:08:47.909 --> 00:08:50.129 to have in their songs. And that kind of pace 00:08:50.129 --> 00:08:52.210 is just not sustainable. You can't live at that 00:08:52.210 --> 00:08:54.809 speed forever. No. And it started to show. The 00:08:54.809 --> 00:08:57.330 band started to fracture. The music in the 90s 00:08:57.330 --> 00:09:00.289 changed. Grunge came along. whole scene they 00:09:00.289 --> 00:09:02.330 had built just kind of vanished overnight. So 00:09:02.330 --> 00:09:04.129 what did they do? Well, they tried to adapt. 00:09:04.350 --> 00:09:07.029 Vince Neil left. They got a new singer, John 00:09:07.029 --> 00:09:09.929 Carabi, made a much heavier album in 94 that 00:09:09.929 --> 00:09:11.889 fans, well, they didn't really embrace it. They 00:09:11.889 --> 00:09:15.110 got Vince back, but the dynamic was broken. And 00:09:15.110 --> 00:09:17.769 the timeline of breakups and reunions from then 00:09:17.769 --> 00:09:21.470 on is complex. Let's walk through it. So Tommy 00:09:21.470 --> 00:09:23.720 Lee actually quits the band at one point. He 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.740 does. Lee officially left the band in 1999 after 00:09:26.740 --> 00:09:29.740 the Greatest Hits tour. He was burnt out on that 00:09:29.740 --> 00:09:32.259 specific dynamic. He wanted to do something new. 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:34.340 Which we'll get to. But the allure of the crew 00:09:34.340 --> 00:09:36.820 is strong. They can't stay away from each other 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:38.940 for long, can they? They can't. They reunited 00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:42.279 in 2004 for the Red, White & Crew anthology and 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.840 a massive reunion tour. Which made a ton of money. 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.779 A ton. $33 million gross. They were number eight 00:09:48.779 --> 00:09:50.960 on the top concert money earners list that year. 00:09:51.059 --> 00:09:53.860 But the friction remained. The old problems didn't 00:09:53.860 --> 00:09:57.460 go away. And it blew up again. It did. In 2007, 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.340 Nikki Sixx publicly announced Lee was out of 00:10:00.340 --> 00:10:02.600 the band after a lawsuit involving Lee's manager, 00:10:02.740 --> 00:10:05.320 Carl Stubner, over conflicts with reality TV 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.620 shows that Tommy wanted to do. So it was a business 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:10.779 dispute. A business and creative dispute. But 00:10:10.779 --> 00:10:13.440 then, to make it even more confusing, Vince Neil 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.059 immediately denied the resignation and said Tommy 00:10:16.059 --> 00:10:18.259 was still in. So nobody even knew if he was in 00:10:18.259 --> 00:10:20.860 the band or not. For a while, no. No, it was 00:10:20.860 --> 00:10:24.500 classic Muttley Crew chaos. But they patched 00:10:24.500 --> 00:10:26.320 it up again. They came back with Saints of Los 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.360 Angeles in 2008 and then the big farewell tour 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.200 in 2014. Ah, yes, the one where they literally 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:34.679 signed a contract on stage saying they'd never 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.779 tour again. A legally binding cessation of touring 00:10:37.779 --> 00:10:41.129 agreement. Which, as we know, didn't stick. They 00:10:41.129 --> 00:10:42.830 eventually tore it up and returned for the stadium 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:46.070 tour. It just shows that the bond or perhaps 00:10:46.070 --> 00:10:48.389 the business model of Metley Crew is stronger 00:10:48.389 --> 00:10:51.330 than any of the interpersonal conflicts. Now, 00:10:51.350 --> 00:10:52.830 I want to pivot a bit because you mentioned he 00:10:52.830 --> 00:10:55.490 left in 99 to do something new. And while Crew 00:10:55.490 --> 00:10:58.110 is the headline, Tommy Lee has always been a 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:00.909 bit of a musical chameleon. He didn't just want 00:11:00.909 --> 00:11:03.549 to stay in that glam metal box. That is a crucial 00:11:03.549 --> 00:11:05.850 insight into who he is as a musician. If you 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:08.009 look at his solo career, he is constantly trying 00:11:08.009 --> 00:11:09.850 to break the mold. He's always chasing the next 00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:12.710 sound. And the first big break was Methods of 00:11:12.710 --> 00:11:15.820 Mayhem. Right. In 1999, think about what was 00:11:15.820 --> 00:11:18.580 happening in music then. Rap metal and nu metal 00:11:18.580 --> 00:11:21.740 were exploding. Corn, Limp Bizkit. That was the 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:23.740 sound of the moment. And Tommy didn't fight it. 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.580 He embraced it. He formed methods of mayhem. 00:11:26.580 --> 00:11:28.179 That was a huge departure. I remember people 00:11:28.179 --> 00:11:30.740 being really, really confused. The Motley Crue 00:11:30.740 --> 00:11:32.899 drummer is rapping now. And who was involved 00:11:32.899 --> 00:11:35.259 in that project? He collaborated with a rapper 00:11:35.259 --> 00:11:39.279 named Tilo, and the style was pure rap metal. 00:11:39.379 --> 00:11:42.100 It was very of the moment. It was a clear signal 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:44.279 that he wasn't just the girls, girls, girls guy 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.519 anymore. And he kept pushing that with his solo 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.259 records. Absolutely. His solo album, Never a 00:11:49.259 --> 00:11:51.759 Dull Moment in 2002, had a lot of that rap metal 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.399 sound, but it also started to bring in electronica 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.899 tones. He had a song called Blue with a guest 00:11:57.899 --> 00:12:00.700 vocalist named Rodleen Getzik that was, you know, 00:12:00.700 --> 00:12:02.860 very atmospheric and different. He was experimenting. 00:12:03.340 --> 00:12:06.600 Then came Tommyland, The Ride in 2005. Which 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.019 was actually the soundtrack to his book of the 00:12:08.019 --> 00:12:11.299 same name. And then his latest, Andro, from 2020, 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.899 continues that exploration of different genres. 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:16.759 He's never stood still musically. And then there 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.399 was that whole supergroup phase with Rockstar 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.360 Supernova. Do you remember that reality show? 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.480 Vividly. This was 2006. This was peak reality 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.360 TV era. And the idea was to form a supergroup 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.700 with these legendary musicians. You have Jason 00:12:29.700 --> 00:12:32.460 Neustad from Metallica on Days and Gilby Clark 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:35.929 from Guns N' Roses on guitar. An incredible lineup. 00:12:36.149 --> 00:12:39.149 And they used the TV show Rockstar to find their 00:12:39.149 --> 00:12:41.529 lead singer. Which they did. A guy named Lucas 00:12:41.529 --> 00:12:44.090 Rossi. Correct. And they actually recorded an 00:12:44.090 --> 00:12:46.600 album and went on tour with that lineup. It's 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.039 wild. Did they bring the other contestants on 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.039 tour, too? They did. They included the runners 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.519 up like Delana and Toby Rand as opening acts. 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.980 It was a fascinating moment where, you know, 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:58.759 old school rock credibility met this brand new 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.779 reality TV format. And we can't ignore his DJ 00:13:01.779 --> 00:13:05.259 career. He really, genuinely dove headfirst into 00:13:05.259 --> 00:13:07.820 electronic dance music. He did. This wasn't just 00:13:07.820 --> 00:13:10.440 a hobby. He partnered with DJ Arrow, also known 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.559 as Chester Dietz. They went by the name Electro 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.980 Mayhem. Electro Mayhem. OK. And they were legit. 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.990 They debuted. viewed on the main stage at the 00:13:16.990 --> 00:13:20.289 Ultra Music Festival in Miami back in 2004. That's 00:13:20.289 --> 00:13:22.690 a huge deal in the EDM world. So this wasn't 00:13:22.690 --> 00:13:25.710 just a rock star pressing play on a laptop. Not 00:13:25.710 --> 00:13:29.070 at all. They toured with Deadmau5 in 2011. Lee 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:31.429 was taking it very seriously, performing with 00:13:31.429 --> 00:13:33.649 guys like Cherum from Deep Dish. It's impressive. 00:13:33.769 --> 00:13:36.610 Most rock stars from the 80s just stick to playing 00:13:36.610 --> 00:13:38.909 their old hits. Lee was out there spinning house 00:13:38.909 --> 00:13:41.789 music. It speaks to a genuine curiosity about 00:13:41.789 --> 00:13:44.350 rhythm, about the beat. It doesn't matter to 00:13:44.350 --> 00:13:46.200 him if it's... John Bonham or a drum machine 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.919 or a four on the floor house beat. Lee seems 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.980 fascinated by what makes people move. And that 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:53.759 curiosity leads to some really surprising collaborations. 00:13:53.860 --> 00:13:56.000 He's popped up on some records where you just 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.220 would not expect to see his name. For sure. Like 00:13:58.220 --> 00:14:02.100 in 2014, he played drums on almost the entire 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:04.919 Smashing Pumpkins album Monuments to an Elegy. 00:14:04.980 --> 00:14:06.840 That's a collaboration I never would have guessed. 00:14:06.980 --> 00:14:09.840 Yeah. Billy Corgan and Tommy Lee. Right. But 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.659 it works. And then much more recently, he played 00:14:12.659 --> 00:14:15.960 on a Post Malone track. The song Over Now in 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.340 2018. Exactly. And that Post Malone connection 00:14:19.340 --> 00:14:22.580 is key. It shows he's still relevant, that he's 00:14:22.580 --> 00:14:24.779 still on the radar of the younger generation 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:27.519 of artists. He's also worked with Nine Inch Nails, 00:14:27.820 --> 00:14:31.940 Rob Zombie, Jack's Mannequin. The list is incredibly 00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:34.480 eclectic. He bridges that gap between generations. 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.830 Absolutely. He does. Now, we touched on reality 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:42.049 TV with Rockstar Supernova, but Lee was actually 00:14:42.049 --> 00:14:46.269 a pioneer in that space way before most celebrities 00:14:46.269 --> 00:14:49.509 jumped on the bandwagon. He was. In 2004, he 00:14:49.509 --> 00:14:51.750 starred in and produced a show called Tommy Lee 00:14:51.750 --> 00:14:53.990 Goes to College. The premise was exactly what 00:14:53.990 --> 00:14:56.769 it sounds like. It was. The whole show was him 00:14:56.769 --> 00:14:59.029 enrolling and attending classes at the University 00:14:59.029 --> 00:15:01.470 of Nebraska. He tried out for the golf team. 00:15:01.529 --> 00:15:03.929 He studied chemistry. And bringing it full circle. 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.419 He played in the marching band there. He did. 00:15:06.500 --> 00:15:08.580 He joined the drum line. It must have been completely 00:15:08.580 --> 00:15:10.860 surreal for the other students. Hey, isn't that 00:15:10.860 --> 00:15:12.899 the guy from Metley Crew next to me in the tuba 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:14.820 section? But it showed he had a sense of humor 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:17.039 about himself, about his image. Totally. And 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.360 he did another one in 2008 called Battleground 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.240 Earth. This one I don't remember. It was an eco 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.360 -friendly show on the Planet Green channel, of 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.179 all places. And he co -hosted it with the rapper 00:15:28.179 --> 00:15:31.940 Ludacris. Wait, wait. Tommy Lee and Ludacris. 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.000 Saving the planet. It's a real thing that happened. 00:15:35.059 --> 00:15:37.960 They would challenge each other to green -themed 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.379 competitions. It was an odd couple pairing, but 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:44.059 it showed he was willing to try anything. And 00:15:44.059 --> 00:15:46.360 he's done some acting too, right? Not just playing 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.519 himself. Yeah, a few things. He had a guest spot 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.980 as a professor on the TV show The Goldbergs. 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.960 He played the devil in a musical horror podcast 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.000 called Halloween in Hell. And he was a strip 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.580 club DJ in a horror movie called The Retaliators. 00:15:59.779 --> 00:16:01.799 It seems like he's just very, very comfortable. 00:16:01.899 --> 00:16:04.220 in front of a camera, regardless of the context. 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:06.220 I think that's fair to say. He understands the 00:16:06.220 --> 00:16:08.639 media game better than almost anyone. Which brings 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.379 us to the part of his life that arguably garnered 00:16:11.379 --> 00:16:13.899 the most camera time, whether he wanted to or 00:16:13.899 --> 00:16:16.740 not. His relationships and his life in the tabloids. 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.399 Yeah, this is a dense section of the biography. 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.620 Lee has been married four times. Who was the 00:16:21.620 --> 00:16:24.519 first? His first wife was Elaine Starchuk from 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:29.139 1984 to 1985. A very brief marriage right as 00:16:29.139 --> 00:16:31.120 the ban was taking off. And then came the big 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.000 one. At least for the 80s. Heather Locklear. 00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:37.179 He married the actress Heather Locklear in 1986. 00:16:37.779 --> 00:16:40.600 That was the ultimate 80s power couple. The heavy 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.620 metal drummer and the primetime TV sweetheart. 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:44.639 It was. You'd see them everywhere in all the 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.379 magazines. They were together for seven years 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:49.610 and they divorced in 1993. The book The Dirt 00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:51.629 goes into that relationship in a lot of detail. 00:16:51.889 --> 00:16:54.190 But the relationship that really defined an era 00:16:54.190 --> 00:16:56.889 of pop culture was his marriage to Pamela Anderson. 00:16:57.169 --> 00:16:59.370 Without a doubt, the timeline on that is just, 00:16:59.429 --> 00:17:02.470 it's wild. It's insane. How quickly did it happen? 00:17:02.590 --> 00:17:05.390 He met the Playboy, Playmate and Baywatch star 00:17:05.390 --> 00:17:08.829 in February of 1995. They got married just four 00:17:08.829 --> 00:17:13.180 days later. Four. Days. That is beyond impulsive. 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.599 It is the absolute definition of a whirlwind 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.859 romance. They had two sons together, Brandon 00:17:17.859 --> 00:17:20.500 Thomas Lee and Dylan Jagger Lee. But the relationship 00:17:20.500 --> 00:17:23.359 was incredibly tumultuous, just a constant storm. 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.579 The timeline is messy. Very. They officially 00:17:26.579 --> 00:17:28.980 divorced in 1998, but that was just the beginning. 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.539 They had bitter custody battles that went on 00:17:31.539 --> 00:17:35.099 until 2002, and they had several brief reunions 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:36.759 and breakups over the years after that. It was 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:38.960 a constant on -again, off -again saga. He was 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.880 also engaged a few other times, wasn't he? He 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.500 was. He was engaged to a model named Bobby Brown 00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:46.420 before he met Anderson. He was engaged to Prince's 00:17:46.420 --> 00:17:50.180 ex -wife, May Garcia, from 2002 to 2003, and 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:52.839 to a singer named Sofia Tufa for a few years. 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.359 And he's married now. Yes. Fourth wife is the 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.920 social media personality, Brittany Furlan. He 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.559 proposed on Valentine's Day 2018, and they got 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.019 married on Valentine's Day 2019. But going back 00:18:03.019 --> 00:18:05.779 to the Anderson years, right in the middle of 00:18:05.779 --> 00:18:08.539 that storm was... The tape. The sex tape. Yeah, 00:18:08.619 --> 00:18:10.519 we have to discuss this because its cultural 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:13.720 impact was and is immense. What's the story behind 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.839 it? The sources are pretty clear on this. It 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.079 was a private home video. They videotaped it 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.180 on a houseboat on Lake Mead during a vacation. 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.839 In 1995, their safe was stolen from their home. 00:18:23.900 --> 00:18:26.299 And the tape was in the safe. Correct. The story 00:18:26.299 --> 00:18:28.880 that has since come out is that a disgruntled 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.680 electrician and former porn star named Rand Gauthier, 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.819 who was doing work at the house, stole the entire 00:18:34.819 --> 00:18:38.049 safe. And he found... the tape and saw an opportunity 00:18:38.049 --> 00:18:40.369 he saw a huge opportunity and you have to remember 00:18:40.369 --> 00:18:43.309 this was before streaming before broadband was 00:18:43.309 --> 00:18:45.990 even common the internet was still kind of the 00:18:45.990 --> 00:18:48.809 wild west a company called internet entertainment 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:52.170 group or ieg got a hold of it and released it 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:55.789 in 1997. it became the first true example of 00:18:55.789 --> 00:18:58.849 viral pornography it spread like wildfire and 00:18:58.849 --> 00:19:01.740 what was the legal fallout Anderson sued IEG 00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:04.079 to try and stop it, but it was too late. The 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.259 cat was out of the bag. They eventually reached 00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:08.519 a settlement, but the sources say Lee and Anderson 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.980 never received any money from it. It's crazy 00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:13.019 to think about now, but that tape really changed 00:19:13.019 --> 00:19:16.220 how we view celebrity privacy, the Internet. 00:19:17.450 --> 00:19:19.430 you know, what was possible online. It was a 00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:21.329 complete watershed moment. And it's something 00:19:21.329 --> 00:19:23.109 that has followed both of them for their entire 00:19:23.109 --> 00:19:25.549 lives, recently dramatized in that Hulu series, 00:19:25.670 --> 00:19:28.210 Pam and Tommy. Now we have to move into the more 00:19:28.210 --> 00:19:30.730 serious side of things. We can't talk about the 00:19:30.730 --> 00:19:32.390 chaos without talking about the consequences. 00:19:32.869 --> 00:19:35.430 And there are some very dark chapters here. Yes. 00:19:35.450 --> 00:19:38.069 And it is important we handle these factually 00:19:38.069 --> 00:19:41.430 based on the legal records. The bad boy image 00:19:41.430 --> 00:19:44.750 often glosses over real legal and ethical issues. 00:19:44.970 --> 00:19:47.279 And the first major one. is a domestic violence 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:50.759 conviction in 1998. That's correct. This was 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.019 involving Pamela Anderson. He pleaded no contest 00:19:54.019 --> 00:19:56.940 to felony spousal abuse. What were the details 00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:58.920 of the incident? According to the reports, he 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:00.920 kicked her while she was holding their infant 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.059 son Dylan. The altercation was apparently over 00:20:04.059 --> 00:20:06.180 her refusal to call her parents and ask them 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.559 not to come over to the house. And she was injured. 00:20:09.179 --> 00:20:11.960 Yes. The reports state she was left with bruises, 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:14.359 a torn fingernail, and she told police she was 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.680 in fear for her son's safety. And he served time 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.819 for this. He did. Six months in county jail. 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.380 And it's a stark reminder that the rock and roll 00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:24.000 lifestyle isn't a fantasy. It has real victims 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.599 and real world consequences. And he got into 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.220 more trouble after that jail time. He did. In 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.319 2000, he served another five days in jail for 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.359 violating his probation by drinking alcohol. 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:36.539 And that wasn't the only serious legal issue. 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:39.200 There was the incident with the swastika tattoo. 00:20:39.539 --> 00:20:42.579 That came to light also in 1998. It stemmed from 00:20:42.579 --> 00:20:45.220 a 1996 incident where he was facing a lawsuit 00:20:45.220 --> 00:20:48.579 for battery. He and Nikki Sixx were accused of 00:20:48.579 --> 00:20:51.160 attacking a Jewish photographer outside the Viper 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.559 Room in L .A. During the civil suit depositions, 00:20:54.579 --> 00:20:56.759 it was revealed that Lee had a swastika tattoo 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.859 on his arm. And what was the explanation for 00:20:58.859 --> 00:21:01.160 that? Lee's camp claimed it was a stupid tattoo 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.599 obtained several years ago out of drunken ignorance, 00:21:03.819 --> 00:21:06.740 not a reflection of any Nazi beliefs. His lawyer 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:08.940 argued strenuously that showing it to the jury 00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:11.140 would be unfairly prejudicial. But it became 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.539 a huge story. A massive story. He eventually 00:21:13.539 --> 00:21:16.259 had the tattoo removed, but it was a major. controversy 00:21:16.259 --> 00:21:18.420 at the time. And there were other riots and fights, 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:20.680 things that went beyond simple rock star antics. 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:25.200 Yes. The Greensboro riot in 1997. During a concert 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.779 in North Carolina, Lee and Nikki Sixx allegedly 00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:30.240 made racial remarks to a black security guard, 00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:33.480 then poured beer on his head and instigated the 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.579 crowd to attack him. And they were arrested. 00:21:35.740 --> 00:21:37.700 They were arrested and charged with inciting 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:40.470 a riot and assault. The charges were eventually 00:21:40.470 --> 00:21:42.930 dropped, but it was another ugly incident. Then 00:21:42.930 --> 00:21:44.890 there was the very public feud with Kid Rock. 00:21:44.990 --> 00:21:48.670 Right. In 2007 at the MTV Video Music Awards, 00:21:48.950 --> 00:21:51.809 it was a full -on brawl in the audience during 00:21:51.809 --> 00:21:54.789 the show. What was that about? They both have 00:21:54.789 --> 00:21:57.210 a connection to Pamela Anderson. That was reportedly 00:21:57.210 --> 00:21:59.230 the source of the tension. Kid Rock was cited 00:21:59.230 --> 00:22:01.349 for assault after the incident. It just seemed 00:22:01.349 --> 00:22:04.009 like for a long period, trouble followed Lee 00:22:04.009 --> 00:22:06.789 where he actively invited it. There was also 00:22:06.789 --> 00:22:09.750 a terrible tragedy at his home in 2001 involving 00:22:09.750 --> 00:22:12.950 a child's death. A truly awful situation. It 00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:15.329 was during a birthday party for Lee's son, Brandon. 00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:18.089 A four -year -old guest, Daniel Carvin Veers, 00:22:18.130 --> 00:22:20.789 was found in the pool and later died. He had 00:22:20.789 --> 00:22:22.769 drowned. And the parents sued him. They did. 00:22:22.849 --> 00:22:25.250 The parents sued for negligence. It went to trial 00:22:25.250 --> 00:22:27.430 and a jury ultimately cleared Lee of responsibility 00:22:27.430 --> 00:22:30.789 in April 2003. They ruled it was a tragic accident, 00:22:30.849 --> 00:22:34.369 but legally he was found not liable. It really 00:22:34.369 --> 00:22:37.309 is a life of just extreme highs and the absolute 00:22:37.309 --> 00:22:40.369 lowest of lows. Yeah, it is. But then you flip 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:42.789 the page in the biography and you see him writing 00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:45.430 these passionate letters for PETA. This is the 00:22:45.430 --> 00:22:47.700 complexity of the man we're talking about. He's 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.960 a staunch supporter of animal rights. Very much 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.519 so. In 2010, he wrote a scathing letter to the 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.920 president of SeaWorld protesting the treatment 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.839 of Tilikum, the orca involved in the death of 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:02.099 a trainer. What was his specific argument? He 00:23:02.099 --> 00:23:04.579 was appalled by the sperm harvesting methods 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:07.339 they used on the whale and argued that the animal's 00:23:07.339 --> 00:23:09.819 aggression was a direct result of the frustration 00:23:09.819 --> 00:23:12.599 and misery of captivity. And he took on the Calgary 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.210 Stampede as well. In 2013, yes. He wrote an open 00:23:16.210 --> 00:23:18.569 letter to the premier of Alberta regarding the 00:23:18.569 --> 00:23:21.289 deaths of horses in the chuckwagon races at the 00:23:21.289 --> 00:23:23.450 Stampede. Do you remember what he said? He had 00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:25.730 this really pointed quote. He said something 00:23:25.730 --> 00:23:28.329 like, it was a time when cowboys respected their 00:23:28.329 --> 00:23:30.509 horses instead of riding them to death just to 00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:33.230 show off. That's a surprisingly thoughtful and 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:36.849 articulate take from the guy who was famous for 00:23:36.849 --> 00:23:39.450 instigating riots. It shows that people are rarely 00:23:39.450 --> 00:23:41.690 one dimensional. There are always these contradictions. 00:23:41.930 --> 00:23:44.900 So bringing us up to the present. What is his 00:23:44.900 --> 00:23:47.799 legacy now? The Muttley Crue movie, The Dirt, 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.380 came out on Netflix in 2019. That had a huge 00:23:51.380 --> 00:23:54.059 impact. That movie really reignited interest 00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:56.259 in the band's history, for better or worse. It 00:23:56.259 --> 00:23:58.539 introduced them to a whole new generation. And 00:23:58.539 --> 00:24:01.119 Lee is still very much active, still making music, 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.200 still touring. And he's still connected to the 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:05.500 drumming world in a very deep way. Poignantly 00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:09.059 so. In 2022, it came out that Lee had a phone 00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:11.440 conversation with the Foo Fighters drummer Taylor 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.579 Hawkins just hours before Hawkins' tragic death. 00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:18.170 Wow. Yeah. Lee called Hawkins my dear friend 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:20.690 and later appeared at the big Kia Forum tribute 00:24:20.690 --> 00:24:23.289 concert in Los Angeles to honor him. He's still 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:25.430 part of that community. So what does this all 00:24:25.430 --> 00:24:27.849 mean? We've looked at the Athens birth, the marching 00:24:27.849 --> 00:24:29.970 band, the Sunset Strip, the spinning drum kits, 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:32.589 the platinum albums, the jail time, the reality 00:24:32.589 --> 00:24:36.109 TV, the activism. How do you tie it all together? 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.960 If we synthesize this, I think we see a man who 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.259 is a perfect mirror of the media landscape he 00:24:41.259 --> 00:24:43.359 lived through. He started in the era of vinyl 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.400 records and rock radio. Mastered the era of MTV 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.319 and the music video. Pioneered the celebrity 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.880 reality TV show and became the subject of the 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.680 first major viral internet video. And is now 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.700 navigating the streaming era with Netflix biopics 00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:59.759 and collabs with Post Malone. He really has surfed 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.380 every single wave of pop culture for the last 00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:04.440 40 years. He's always managed to stay relevant. 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.210 And he did it by being loud. By making noise, 00:25:07.430 --> 00:25:10.049 whether that noise was musical with a drum solo, 00:25:10.309 --> 00:25:13.190 legal with a court case, or relational with a 00:25:13.190 --> 00:25:15.990 tabloid headline. It brings us to a final provocative 00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:19.269 thought. In a life that has been so defined by 00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:22.410 noise, by spectacle, has the larger -than -life 00:25:22.410 --> 00:25:24.549 character of Tommy Lee overshadowed the musician? 00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:29.049 Or... Is the spectacle itself the true art form 00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:31.890 he created? That is the question, isn't it? Is 00:25:31.890 --> 00:25:33.730 the drumming the main event or is the drumming 00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:36.069 just the soundtrack to the ongoing four decade 00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:38.569 long performance art piece that is Tommy Lee? 00:25:38.789 --> 00:25:40.450 Something for you to think about next time you 00:25:40.450 --> 00:25:43.549 hear Dr. Feelgood or Home Sweet Home on the radio. 00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:45.750 Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. Until 00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:46.250 next time.