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We are looking at a beast today. I mean, really,

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a cultural institution. If you were an alien

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landing on Earth and you just, you know, looked

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at the sheer volume of stats around this group,

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you wouldn't think musicians. No, you'd think

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multinational corporation. Or a small country,

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maybe. Exactly. We're talking over 163 million

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albums sold worldwide. We're talking about, and

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this is the one that always gets me, the third

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best -selling music artist of the entire SoundScan

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era. Which is a massive distinction. I mean,

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you have to understand what that means. Since

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1991, when they started actually scanning barcodes,

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only two artists have sold more albums. Garth

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Brooks and the Beatles. Right. So that puts them

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in some pretty rarefied air. It's not just about

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being a big metal band. It's about being one

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of the biggest recording acts of all time. Period.

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And they are the first and I believe still the

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only band to have played on all seven continents.

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Yep. They hauled their amps to Antarctica for

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a show called Freeze Them All. Just to check

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that final box. It's that level of dedication

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or maybe obsession. But here's the thing that

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makes this specific deep dive so interesting

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to me. We aren't talking about a safe, radio

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-friendly pop act. We are not talking about,

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you know, a Taylor Swift or a U2. No. Not even

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close. We are talking about Metallica. A band

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that built an entire empire on aggression. on

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songs about insanity and nightmares and drug

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addiction and war. They play fast, they look

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scary, or at least they used to, and yet somehow

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they became these mainstream superstars. That's

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the central question, isn't it? It is. The mission

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for this deep dive is to figure out how that

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happened. How did a tennis -playing drummer from

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Denmark and a painfully shy guitarist from a

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Christian science family in Los Angeles, how

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did they survive tragedy, addiction, and the

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internet to become this massive titan of... the

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big four. It's a story of paradoxes. I think

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that's the only way you can really view it. Yeah.

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You have a band that's defined by speed, by thrash

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metal, that achieved its greatest commercial

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success by slowing down. You have a band that

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preaches this intense, almost cult -like brotherhood

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and loyalty to the fans, the Metallica family.

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Yet they have a history of some of the most bitter

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internal and external feuds in all of rock history.

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and of course the big one they're the band that

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tried to destroy the very technology that eventually

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you could argue saved the music industry oh the

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napster war yeah we will definitely get deep

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into that lawsuit because it didn't just change

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the band's image it changed the internet forever

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So we've got a massive stack of sources today.

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We've pulled the historical timelines, the discography

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deep dives, all the feud histories, and the critical

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reception records from the archives. But I think

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we have to start where all good stories start.

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The awkward beginning. The awkward beginning.

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Because before they were selling out stadiums

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and playing in Antarctica, there were just two

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lonely kids in Los Angeles who, frankly, couldn't

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find anyone to play with. It's late 1981. And

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you really have to understand the context of

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Los Angeles at this specific moment. If you're

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a guitarist in L .A. in 81, what are you trying

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to look like? What are you trying to sound like?

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Oh, it's Muttley Crue. It's Rat. It's the birth

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of glam. You've got spandex. You've got hairspray.

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You've got makeup. The music is all about partying,

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girls, and, you know, having a good time on the

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Sunset Strip. Precisely. And then you have this

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Danish teenager, Lars Ulrich. He'd moved to Newport

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Beach from Copenhagen because his dad, Torben

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Ulrich, was a professional tennis player. Right.

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The plan was for Lars to be a tennis pro, too.

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That was the family business. But Lars had this

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secret obsession. He wasn't listening to Van

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Halen or the bands on the radio. He was completely

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consumed by something called the new wave of

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British heavy metal. The NWOBHM. Yeah. Bands

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like Diamondhead, Saxon, Iron Maiden, Tigers

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of Pantang. This was gritty, unpolished, working

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class metal from the UK. It was the absolute

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opposite of the Sunset Strip vibe. Yeah. Not

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even close. So Lars is this total outsider. He's

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short. He's got the Danish accent. He's not the

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tennis star his dad wants him to be. And he wants

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to play this obscure British music that nobody

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in California has even heard of. So he does what

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you did in 1981. He takes out a classified ad

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in a local news. newspaper is a paper called

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The Recycler. I love the specificity of this

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ad. It didn't just say drummer looking for band.

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It was so targeted. It said drummer looking for

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other metal musicians to jam with Tigers of Pantang,

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Diamondhead and Iron Maiden. He was filtering

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out the glam rockers immediately. He was curating

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his circle before he even had one. He was essentially

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saying, if you don't know who these bands are,

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don't even bother calling me. And that ad was

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answered by James Hetfield. Now, James was in

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many ways the opposite of Lars. He was this quiet,

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angry kid from a very strict Christian science

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family down in Downey, California. Oil and water.

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James was already a phenomenal rhythm guitarist,

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but socially. He was introverted, maybe a little

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insecure. Lars was. Well, Lars was Lars. All

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hustle. The first jam session was, by all accounts,

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terrible. A disaster. Yeah. Lars apparently couldn't

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really keep time. His cymbals kept falling over.

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James just thought he was this weird, spazzy

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European kid. But here is the Lars Ulrich hustle

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that really defines the band's entire career.

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He might not have been the best drummer in the

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world at that point, but he was absolutely the

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best networker. He had befriended a guy named

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Brian Slagle, who was just starting a little

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indie label called Mess. Metal Blade Records.

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Right. So Lars goes to Slagle and asks him, hey,

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if I put a band together, can I get a song on

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your new compilation album, Metal Massacre? And

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Slagle said yes. Slagle said yes. So Lars had

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the record deal or at least the promise of a

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slot on a record before he even had a functioning

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band. Yeah. That's incredible. It's the ultimate

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leverage. He called Hetfield back and basically

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said, hey, remember me, the terrible drummer?

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Well, I'm going to be on a record. Do you want

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to play guitar on it? In 1981. That's the golden

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ticket. A slot on vinyl, that's everything. So

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they officially formed Metallica on October 28,

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1981. That's about five months after they first

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met. But we have to talk about the name, Metallica.

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It sounds so established now, you know, like

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Coca -Cola or Ford, but they almost lost it to

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a fanzine. This is another perfect example of

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Lars being, well, cutthroat. His friend, a guy

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named Ron Quintana, was starting a metal fanzine.

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and he had a list of potential names. He asks

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Lars for his opinion. The two top choices were

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Metal Mania and Metallica. And Lars, you can

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just picture the gears turning in his head, realizes

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Metallica is the coolest name he's ever heard.

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Oh, absolutely. So he immediately tells Ron,

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you know what, you should definitely call your

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magazine Metal Mania. That's a way better name.

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laughs just to get it out of the way so he could

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take the other one exactly he just swiped it

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i'll take that thank you very much classic so

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they have the name they have the drummer and

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they have the rhythm guitarist and singer but

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that early lineup was let's say volatile we need

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to talk about the lead guitar spot because before

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there was kirk hammett there was dave mustaine

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Dave Mustaine is such a pivotal, almost tragic

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figure in this story. He was the original lead

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guitarist, and by all accounts, a phenomenal

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player. They recruited him partly because he

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had really expensive equipment and he could get

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them good gigs. But Mustaine was intense. That

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seems to be the word everyone uses. To put it

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mildly, he was a brilliant player. Very fast,

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very technical, very aggressive. But he had a

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serious problem with alcohol and violence. He

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was completely unpredictable. The stories from

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that era are just wild. He'd get drunk and start

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fights with the crowd or with the other bands

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or with James and Lars. He famously poured an

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entire can of beer into the pickups of a rival

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band's bass guitar right before they went on

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stage. He was a loose cannon. And it got to the

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point where Hetfield and Ulrich, who were no

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angels themselves, they started to feel unsafe

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around him. So this all comes to a head in April

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1983. The band has traveled all the way from

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California to New York to record their debut

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album. Right. And one morning, they just wake

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Mustaine up while he's sleeping it off. They

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hand him a bus ticket back to Los Angeles and

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literally kick him out the door. His gear was

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already packed. No warning. No, let's sit down

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and talk about this. Nope. It was just, you're

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out. The bus leaves in an hour. And that's a

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four -day bus ride home. Can you imagine? He

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had nothing to do for four days but sit on that

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bus and just stew in his anger and his resentment.

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And that anger is so important because Mustaine

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didn't quit music. He formed his own band Megadeth

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for the specific purpose of being faster, heavier,

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and more technical than Metallica. So that one

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firing created the single greatest rivalry in

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thrash metal history. It gave us two of the big

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four bands right there. And what's even crazier

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is that literally the same afternoon they fired

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Mustaine in New York, they were already on the

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phone with his replacement. They flew in Kirk

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Hammett from a Bay Area band called Exodus. Kirk

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was the perfect counterbalance, wasn't he? He

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was calm. He was a little bit of a hippie. He

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was a student of Jose Triani. He could shred,

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but he didn't have that same... violent edge.

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Not at all. He basically learned the entire set

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list on the flight over from San Francisco to

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New York. But we are still missing the final

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and maybe most important piece of that classic

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lineup, the secret weapon, the bassist, Cliff

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Burton. Ah, Cliff. Cliff was different. He was

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on another level entirely. Hetfield and Ulrich

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saw him playing a show at The Whiskey, a go -go

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in LA, with his band at the time, a group called

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Trauma. And they hear this sound, right? This

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insane, distorted solo. Yeah, this crazy wah

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-wah distortion solo. And they look at the stage,

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expecting to see some amazing lead guitarist.

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But instead, they see this guy in bell -bottoms,

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just head -banging like a maniac with a Rickenbacker

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bass. He was playing the solo on his bass using

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a wah -wah pedal, which is, that's technically

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bizarre, isn't it? The bass is supposed to be

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the anchor, the low end. The wah is for the crying,

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screaming lead guitar solos. Exactly. Cliff played

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the bass like a lead instrument. He had classical

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training. He understood harmony and melody in

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a way that James and Lars, who were more about

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brute force, just didn't yet. They were completely

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blown away. So they begged him to join the band.

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They did. But Cliff was a Northern California

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guy through and through, a real Bay Area dude.

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He hated L .A. He hated the whole glam scene.

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So he told them, look, I'll join your band, but

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only on one condition. You have to move. You

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have to move your entire operation from LA up

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to the San Francisco Bay Area. That is such a

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power move. Move your entire lives and the band's

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headquarters 400 miles north or I'm not interested.

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And they did it. They packed up their stuff and

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moved to a house in El Cerrito. And that geographical

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shift is so crucial to their story. Because in

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the Bay Area, they found their tribe. The Bay

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Area thrash scene was just starting to form.

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This is where you get bands like Exodus, Testament,

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Death Angel. Right. And it wasn't about hairspray

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and makeup. It was about denim jackets, leather,

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high -top sneakers, and just playing as fast

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and as aggressively as humanly possible. They

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were home. So the lineup is finally locked. You

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have Hetfield on vocals and rhythm guitar, Ulrich

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on drums, Burton on bass, and Hammett on lead

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guitar. This is the classic lineup. And they

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drop what becomes known as the Thrash Trilogy.

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Let's run through these because this is the foundation

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of the entire legend. First up, 1983, Kill Em

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All. Which they originally wanted to call Metal

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Like Your Ass. Laughs right. With the proposed

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cover art of a hand holding a bloody dagger coming

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out of a toilet bowl. Very subtle. The distributors,

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needless to say, refused to stock it. So Cliff

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Burton, in his infinite wisdom, apparently just

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said, you know what, man, just kill them all.

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Meaning kill the record company executives. And

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the name stuck. And the album itself is just,

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it's pure, raw energy. It's basically punk rock

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played with heavy metal precision and speed.

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You've got songs like Whiplash and Seek and Destroy

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that are still live staples today. It really

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established the template for thrash. Absolutely.

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And then just a year later, 1984, they released

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Ride the Lightning. This is where I think you

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really start to hear the Cliff Burton influence

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in a major way. Oh, so? Well, their songwriting

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becomes much more sophisticated. They start using

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acoustic guitars. They write a power ballad,

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the first of its kind, really called Fade to

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Black. Which was incredibly controversial at

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the time. Metalheads in 1984 were like, what

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are you doing? Acoustic guitar is a slow song.

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You're selling out. They got so much hate mail

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for it. But Fade to Black. which is about suicide,

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proved they could write emotionally heavy songs,

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not just physically heavy ones. It showed they

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were becoming real composers, not just bangers.

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It expanded the entire genre. And then the big

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one, 1986, Master of Puppets. The masterpiece.

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There's no other word for it. They recorded it

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in Denmark with producer Flemming Rasmussen.

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It is, without exaggeration, widely considered

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one of the greatest and most influential metal

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albums ever made. It's perfect from start to

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finish. It really is. The title track, Master

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of Puppets, is this eight and a half minute epic

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with multiple time changes, complex harmonies,

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and incredible instrumental section. And the

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themes are so mature. It's all about drugs controlling

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you, the government controlling you, insanity

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controlling you. It was their first album to

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be certified gold. They were on a massive tour

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opening for Ozzy Osbourne. They were, for all

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intents and purposes, on top of the world. They

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had finally... And that, of course, brings us

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to the tragedy. Because right at this absolute

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peak, everything changes. September 27, 1986.

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It's the great what if that just haunts the entire

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genre. They were in Sweden on the European leg

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of the Damage Inc. tour. They were traveling

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overnight on a tour bus between Stockholm and

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Copenhagen. And the conditions on the bus were

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not great. No, they were terrible. The sleeping

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bunks were small and uncomfortable. So to make

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it fair, the band members would draw cards to

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see who got first pick of the bunks for the night.

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It was literally a game of chance. A card game

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decided their fates. It did. On that night, Cliff

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Burton drew the ace of spades. He looked over

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at Kirk Hammett and said, I want your bunk. Kirk

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had one of those slightly better spots. Kirk

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said, fine, take it. I'll sleep up in the front

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of the bus. So Cliff took the bunk in the back.

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And then sometime near dawn, the driver lost

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control of the bus. The bus skidded off the road.

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It rolled over onto the grass. Everyone inside

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was just tumbled around like laundry in a dryer.

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James, Lars, and Kirk managed to climb out through

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the emergency hatch. They were bruised, in shock,

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standing in the freezing Swedish morning in their

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underwear. But they couldn't find Cliff. The

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bus had landed on top of him. He had been thrown

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through the window as the bus rolled, and then

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the full weight of the chassis came down and

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crushed him. He died instantly. He was only 24

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years old. The reaction of the band. I mean,

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you think of James Hetfield as this stoic, tough

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guy, the I am the table guy. But the reports

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from the scene are just heartbreaking. He was

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completely distraught. He was running up and

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down the road in his socks, screaming for the

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driver, threatening to kill him. He was convinced

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the driver was drunk or had fallen asleep. The

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driver claimed he hit a patch of black ice. And

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James didn't believe him. No. James apparently

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walked for miles down that road in the freezing

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cold looking for the ice. And he found nothing.

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It was just a senseless, tragic accident. Losing

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a band member is hard enough, but losing Cliff...

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He wasn't just the bassist. He was the musical

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soul of the band. He was the one who taught them

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about music theory and harmony. I mean, how do

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you even begin to replace that? You can't. And

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I think they knew that. They seriously debated

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breaking up. But Cliff's family, his parents,

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they told the band, Cliff would want you to carry

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on. You have to. So they did. But I think they

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processed their grief in a really... a really

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unhealthy way. They didn't go to therapy. They

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just got angry. And they took all of that anger

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and grief and directed it at the new guy. Jason

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Neustad. Poor Jason Neustad. Yeah, poor Jason.

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He was a huge Metallica fan. He played in a thrash

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band called Flotsam and Jetsam. He absolutely

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nailed the audition. He knew all the songs. But

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from the very moment he joined, he was the designated

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punching bag. The hazing stories are just legendary

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and honestly pretty cruel. It was relentless

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psychological warfare. They would run up huge

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bar tabs on his hotel room service without telling

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him. They would tell interviewers he was gay.

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They famously tricked him into eating a giant

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ball of wasabi by telling him it was guacamole.

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And musically, they shut him out. Completely.

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They never let him have a real say in the music.

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For 13 years, he was the new kid. And that hostility

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actually and audibly impacted the sound of their

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very next album, 1988's Injustice for All. This

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is the album famous for the missing bass. Right.

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Audio engineers and fans still debate this to

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this day. If you listen to Justice, the production

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is incredibly strange. It sounds dry. It's clinical.

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It's thin. There is almost zero low end. The

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drums sound like typewriters, just this click,

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click, click sound. And Jason's bass lines, which

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were apparently very complex and well -written,

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are virtually inaudible in the final mix. So

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was that deliberate? Was it part of the hazing?

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The consensus is yes. The story goes that Lars

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and James went into the mixing room with the

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engineers and basically said, turn the bass faders

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down until you can barely hear them. And when

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the engineer did that, they said, okay, now turn

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them down another five decibels. Wow. So they

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were sonically erasing him from the record. It

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was a sonic manifestation of their grief and

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their anger. They were hazing him on the actual

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vinyl. Which is a real shame because the songs

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on that album are incredible. They're so complex

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and progressive. You've got Blackened, Harvester

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of Sorrow, and of course the big one, One. One

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changed everything for them. Up to this point,

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Metallica had stubbornly refused to make music

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videos. They thought MTV was for posers. They

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thought it was selling out. But for one, they

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finally caved. They bought the rights to a 1971

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anti -war film called Johnny Got His Gun. Which

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is a terrifying movie. If you've never seen it,

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it's about a soldier in World War I who gets

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hit by an artillery shell and loses his arms,

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his legs, his eyes, his ears, and his mouth.

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But his mind is still perfectly awake. He's just

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a prisoner in his own body. Chilling. So they

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intercut scenes from that movie with shots of

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the band playing in this stark, empty warehouse.

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It was dark, it was gritty, and it was deeply

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disturbing. And MTV put it on heavy rotation.

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It broke them out of the metal underground and

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put them into living rooms all across America.

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It did. And it led to the infamous 1989 Grammy

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Awards. This was the first time the Grammys ever

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had a category for hard rock metal performance.

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Metallica was nominated for rules, and Justice

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for All, they were the heavy favorites. They

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were the only logical choice. I mean, they performed

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one on the broadcast that night. Everyone, including

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the other nominees, just assumed Metallica would

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win. And then Alice Cooper opens the envelope

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and he announces the winner is Jethro Tull. Laps

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for the album Crest of a Knave. Jethro Tull,

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the band with the flute. The flu -heavy folk

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rock band Jethro Tull won the first ever award

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for best hard rock metal performance. The audience

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just gasped. It was so embarrassing for the Grammys.

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It just proved how completely out of touch the

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Academy was with modern music. Metallica took

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it in stride, though. They put a sticker on the

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next pressing of the album that said Grammy Award

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Losers. They did. But I think that loss and that

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chip on their shoulder, it pushed them toward

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the biggest, most important pivot in their entire

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career. It pushed them towards the 1990s and

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towards the blockbuster. This is where the story

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shifts from big metal band success to global

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domination. Absolutely. So after the tour for

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Justice, they decide they're sick of the complex

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10 -minute songs of the dry production. They

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wanted something that sounded huge. So they hired

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a producer named Bob Rock. And Bob Rock was known

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for working with bands like Metley Crue and Bon

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Jovi. The sworn enemies. The bands Metallica

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had spent their entire career railing against.

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So why hire the enemy? Because those albums sounded

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enormous. They sounded expensive. They had this

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punch and this low end that Metallica's albums,

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for all their complexity, just didn't have. They

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wanted that sonic weight. But Bob Rock had a

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condition for working with them. He did. He basically

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told them, look, I don't want to just engineer

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your songs. I want to produce them. Meaning he

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wanted to be involved in the arrangements, in

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the songwriting. He wanted to simplify everything.

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He listened to their demos and he told them,

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you guys play too fast. You have way too many

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riffs in one song. I want you to slow down. I

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want you to find a groove. Think of a song like

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Sad But True. That's the Bob Rock influence right

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there. And I imagine James and Lars, who are

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notorious control freaks, just loved hearing

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that. Oh, they hated it. The recording of what

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became the Black Album was a complete war. It

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took nine months to make. It cost over a million

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dollars, which was a fortune back then. Three

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of the four band members got divorced during

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the recording process. Three of them, wow. Yeah,

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including Lars and Kirk. They argued with Bob

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Rock over every single drum hit, every vocal

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inflection. Bob challenged Hetfield to actually

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sing, you know, not just bark and yell. That's

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how we got songs like The Unforgiven and The

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Big One, Nothing Else Matters. But when that

00:21:05.450 --> 00:21:08.670
album finally dropped in August of 1991, Bob

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Rock was proven right. He was 100 % right. It

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debuted at number one in 10 different countries.

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It went on to sell 16 million copies in the United

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States alone. It's one of the best selling albums

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of all time. And Enter Sandman became like the

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national anthem of stadium rock music. It did.

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And this is where that SoundScan data becomes

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so important. Ray, explain SoundScan for anyone

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who might not know. Before 1991, the Billboard

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charts were based on a pretty archaic system.

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They would basically just call up record store

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clerks around the country and ask, hey, what's

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selling well this week? It was easily manipulated.

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SoundScan introduced barcode scanning at the

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point of purchase. It counted every single actual

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sale. And when SoundScan turned on, the music

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industry was shocked. They were floored. They

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realized that country music, hip -hop, and heavy

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metal were selling way, way more than they thought.

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Metallica wasn't just big for a metal band. They

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were one of the biggest bands in the country,

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period. The numbers finally proved it. But with

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that level of fame comes that sort of spinal

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tap level of disaster. The tours were just massive.

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They had the snake pit stage in the middle of

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the arena. And they had the pyro. We have to

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talk about Montreal. 1992. The infamous Guns

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N' Roses Metallica Stadium Tour. It was the biggest

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ticket on the planet that summer. Just two juggernauts.

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But in Montreal, during the song Fade to Black,

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there was a pyrotechnic miscommunication. The

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pyro guy got the cue wrong. Yeah. James Hetfield

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stepped onto a spot on the stage where a 12 -foot

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pillar of magnesium flame was scheduled to erupt

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a few seconds later. But it went off early. And

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it just engulfed him. It did. It completely engulfed

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him. It melted his guitar. He suffered second

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and third degree burns all down his entire left

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side. Jason Neustadt described seeing James'

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skin literally bubbling. It was horrific. And

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yet, they finished the tour. James was back on

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stage just 17 days later. He was all bandaged

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up. He couldn't play guitar. But he was up there

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singing while his guitar tech played his parts

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from the side of the stage. It just cemented

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his reputation as this indestructible, iron -willed

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frontman. But you have to imagine, underneath

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all that, the cracks were starting to form. Let's

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jump forward a few years. The mid -90s. The alternative

00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:21.859
rock era. Grunge has come and killed off the

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hair metal scene, but Metallica decides to change

00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.259
again. This is the load and reload era. This

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is what a lot of people call the identity crisis

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era. And the first thing they did, they cut their

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hair. It sounds so silly now, but in 1996 for

00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:35.559
a metal band, that was a huge deal. It was a

00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.640
massive betrayal to the purists. Seeing Metallica

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with short hair, wearing eyeliner and, you know,

00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:43.740
designer shirts. It was like the world was ending

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for some fans. And the music changed, too. It

00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.700
was much more bluesy. You have songs like Until

00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:50.799
It Sleeps and Hero of the Day. It definitely

00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.339
wasn't thrash metal. No, it was alternative hard

00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:55.720
rock. Yeah. It was them trying to fit into the

00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:00.220
Lollapalooza generation. And the art. Let's not

00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:03.339
forget the album art. The cover of Load is a

00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:06.420
piece by the artist Andre Serrano called Blood

00:24:06.420 --> 00:24:08.880
and Semen the Third. And it is literally what

00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.099
the title says it is. It is literally a photograph.

00:24:11.789 --> 00:24:14.569
of a mixture of bovine blood and the artist's

00:24:14.569 --> 00:24:16.930
own semen pressed between two sheets of plexiglass.

00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:19.309
I just wonder how many millions of kids bought

00:24:19.309 --> 00:24:21.410
that album at Walmart having absolutely no idea

00:24:21.410 --> 00:24:23.589
what they were looking at. A lot of them. But

00:24:23.589 --> 00:24:25.490
while the fans were all arguing about haircuts

00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:28.670
and controversial art, a much, much bigger storm

00:24:28.670 --> 00:24:31.589
was brewing on the horizon. A storm called Napster.

00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:33.650
This is the part of the story that, I mean, they

00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:35.450
make business school case studies about this.

00:24:35.509 --> 00:24:39.079
The year is 2000. Okay, here's the setup. Metallica

00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.220
records a new song called I Disappear for the

00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:46.740
Mission. Impossible 2 movie soundtrack. The song

00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:49.960
hasn't been released yet, but one day they hear

00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:51.779
it playing on the radio. And they're completely

00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:53.440
confused. They're thinking, wait a minute, we

00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.579
have the master tape. The studio has a copy.

00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:58.339
How is this on the radio already? So their team

00:24:58.339 --> 00:25:00.539
does some digging and they trace the leak back

00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:03.579
to this new file sharing service called Napster.

00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:05.950
It was a peer -to -peer network. People were

00:25:05.950 --> 00:25:07.869
uploading their MP3s from their own computers

00:25:07.869 --> 00:25:10.150
and letting other people all over the world download

00:25:10.150 --> 00:25:12.690
them for free. And they didn't just find I Disappear

00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:15.130
on there. No, they found their entire back catalog,

00:25:15.369 --> 00:25:17.990
every album, every song available for instant

00:25:17.990 --> 00:25:20.869
free download. Now, let's be clear. Legally,

00:25:20.869 --> 00:25:23.569
Metallica was 100 % in the right. This was copyright

00:25:23.569 --> 00:25:26.210
infringement. It was theft on a massive scale.

00:25:26.549 --> 00:25:29.619
Legally, yes. But optically, from a public relations

00:25:29.619 --> 00:25:32.140
standpoint, it was an absolute disaster. Lars

00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:34.799
Ulrich became the face of the lawsuit. And he

00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.059
didn't just sue Napster as a company. He went

00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:40.480
after the fans. He did. He had a team track down

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.119
the IP addresses of over 300 ,000 users who had

00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.960
downloaded Metallica songs. and he physically

00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.460
delivered a printout of that list of names to

00:25:49.460 --> 00:25:51.839
Napster's office, demanding that they all be

00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.619
banned from the service. That image. That image

00:25:54.619 --> 00:25:57.440
of Lars, the millionaire rock star, handing over

00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.339
a box full of names of, like, teenagers in their

00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:02.160
dorm rooms to get them kicked off the internet.

00:26:02.259 --> 00:26:06.079
It was PR suicide. It completely destroyed their

00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.380
man -of -the -people, us -against -the -world

00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:11.700
image that they had cultivated for so long. There

00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.240
was that famous skit at the MTV Video Music Awards

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.509
where Marlon... Alan Wayans is playing a college

00:26:16.509 --> 00:26:18.470
kid listening to Metallica on his computer. And

00:26:18.470 --> 00:26:20.529
Lars storms into his dorm room. Yeah, and starts

00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:22.349
stealing all his stuff. He grabs his beer and

00:26:22.349 --> 00:26:24.710
says, that's mine. He takes his posters off the

00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:27.630
wall. Barwing is sharing. Lars was booed on stage

00:26:27.630 --> 00:26:29.769
at that award show. For years after that, they

00:26:29.769 --> 00:26:32.650
were branded as the greedy band. Which is ironic

00:26:32.650 --> 00:26:35.089
because in hindsight, they were the canary in

00:26:35.089 --> 00:26:37.170
the coal mine. They were the first ones to really

00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:40.089
sound the alarm that digital streaming, if left

00:26:40.089 --> 00:26:43.230
unchecked, would completely devalue music. But

00:26:43.230 --> 00:26:45.410
at the time, they just looked like rich rock

00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:48.930
stars bullying college kids. And while they were

00:26:48.930 --> 00:26:50.750
fighting this war with the Internet, they were

00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:53.650
completely falling apart internally. This leads

00:26:53.650 --> 00:26:57.140
us to the St. Anger era. This is the absolute

00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:00.859
bottom. 2001 to 2003 is just one disaster after

00:27:00.859 --> 00:27:03.759
another. First, Jason Newsted finally snaps.

00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:07.099
After 14 years of being the new guy, he had started

00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:09.859
a side project called Echo Brain. And James Hetfield

00:27:09.859 --> 00:27:12.220
completely vetoed it. He told him he wasn't allowed

00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:14.759
to do it. He told him, you can't do that. When

00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.420
you're in Metallica, you're married to Metallica.

00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.319
A side project is like cheating on your wife.

00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.059
Which is just incredibly controlling. It was.

00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.599
It was the final straw for Jason. So he quit.

00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:26.920
He just walked away. And that shock, combined

00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.519
with all the other pressures, it sent James into

00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.640
a complete spiral. In July of 2001, James entered

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.839
rehab for alcoholism and other undisclosed addictions.

00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:39.720
He was gone for months. The band effectively

00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.019
ceased to exist. They didn't know if he was ever

00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:44.799
coming back. And the craziest part of all of

00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.839
this is that they had hired a film crew to document

00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.039
the making of their next album, and they ended

00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.039
up documenting the near total collapse of the

00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.339
band instead. The documentary... Some kind of

00:27:55.339 --> 00:27:56.799
monster. If you haven't seen this film, you have

00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.359
to watch it. It's one of the most painfully honest

00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.880
rock documentaries ever made. It shows them hiring

00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.720
a performance enhancement coach, basically a

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.099
therapist named Phil Towel, at a cost of $40

00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:09.240
,000 a month to help them just talk to each other.

00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:11.180
It's excruciating to watch. You see these metal

00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:13.400
gods sitting in a room talking about their feelings,

00:28:13.460 --> 00:28:16.259
using therapy speak. It's surreal. And the album

00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:18.079
that came out of all this turmoil and all this

00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.920
therapy was Saint Anger. Probably the most hated

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.119
and ridiculed album in their entire discography.

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.039
It is raw. It is messy. Sonically, it's just

00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.940
abrasive. They made a rule that there would be

00:28:30.940 --> 00:28:33.240
no guitar solos. Kirk Hammett wasn't allowed

00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.480
to play any solos because they decided it wasn't

00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.900
honest enough for the raw emotion of the album.

00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.500
And the drums. We have to talk about the trash

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:44.420
can snare drum. Oh, the snare drum. Lars decided

00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:46.579
to turn the snares off on his drum, so instead

00:28:46.579 --> 00:28:49.720
of a crack, it just rang out with his high -pitched

00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.519
King ink on every beat. It literally sounds like

00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.559
he's hitting a metal trash can lid or an oil

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.940
drum. Fans absolutely hated it. Critics were

00:28:58.940 --> 00:29:01.299
just confused. But, you know, looking back, it's

00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:04.009
a perfect sonic representation. of where the

00:29:04.009 --> 00:29:06.210
band was at. It sounds like a band having a nervous

00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:08.589
breakdown on tape. It's ugly because the situation

00:29:08.589 --> 00:29:10.849
was ugly. But they survived it. James got out

00:29:10.849 --> 00:29:13.710
of rehab. They hired a new bassist, Robert Trujillo,

00:29:13.849 --> 00:29:16.210
from Suicidal Tendencies, who is an absolute

00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:18.710
beast of a player. And they paid him a $1 million

00:29:18.710 --> 00:29:22.049
advance just to join the band, which tells you

00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:23.990
something about the scale of Metallica Inc.,

00:29:23.990 --> 00:29:26.490
even at their lowest point. So how do you redeem

00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:28.930
yourself after St. Anger? How do you win the

00:29:28.930 --> 00:29:32.670
fans back? You go back to basics. 2008, the album

00:29:32.670 --> 00:29:35.670
Death Magnetic. They fired Bob Rock and they

00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:38.130
hired Rick Rubin. And Rick Rubin is like the

00:29:38.130 --> 00:29:40.690
anti -Bob Rock. He doesn't hold your hand. His

00:29:40.690 --> 00:29:42.910
production style is very hands -off. He basically

00:29:42.910 --> 00:29:44.990
told them, I want you to go back and listen to

00:29:44.990 --> 00:29:46.630
Master of Puppets and remember who you were.

00:29:46.809 --> 00:29:49.750
Pretend it's 1985 again. So he forced them to

00:29:49.750 --> 00:29:52.069
go back to their roots. Completely. He made them

00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:54.650
return to standard tuning, write long, complex

00:29:54.650 --> 00:29:57.450
songs, and most importantly, he told them to

00:29:57.450 --> 00:29:59.849
let Kirk Hammett shred again. The guitar solos

00:29:59.849 --> 00:30:01.849
were back. And it worked. The album was seen

00:30:01.849 --> 00:30:04.589
as a massive return to form. It was. It debuted

00:30:04.589 --> 00:30:06.930
at number one on the Billboard 200, which made

00:30:06.930 --> 00:30:09.329
them the first band ever to have five consecutive

00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:12.569
studio albums debut at the top spot. It proved

00:30:12.569 --> 00:30:14.789
they could still be Metallica. And this era also

00:30:14.789 --> 00:30:17.349
brought about a lot of healing, didn't it? Specifically,

00:30:17.569 --> 00:30:21.130
the Big Four tour in 2010. This was huge. For

00:30:21.130 --> 00:30:24.150
the first time ever, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth,

00:30:24.150 --> 00:30:26.529
and Anthrax, the four pillars of American thrash

00:30:26.529 --> 00:30:29.240
metal, shared the stage together. And the visual

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.119
of James Hetfield hugging Dave Mustaine on stage.

00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:35.460
It was closure. It was the end of a nearly 30

00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:38.079
-year feud. It was a really powerful moment for

00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.140
the entire metal community. But because it's

00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:42.079
Metallica, they couldn't just stay safe and play

00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.640
the hits. In 2011, they did. Lulu. Oh, God. The

00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.319
infamous collaboration with Lou Reed from the

00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.740
Velvet Underground. It's an art rock concept

00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:55.519
album based on a set of... German expressionist

00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.779
plays from the early 20th century. It's basically

00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:01.039
Lou Reed doing spoken word poetry over these

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.420
sludgy, repetitive Metallica riffs. It is virtually

00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:07.210
unlistenable to most fans. It's one of the most

00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:09.630
critically reviled albums ever released by a

00:31:09.630 --> 00:31:12.569
major artist. Lou Reed actually challenged Lars

00:31:12.569 --> 00:31:14.430
Ulrich to a street fight during the recording

00:31:14.430 --> 00:31:16.690
sessions. But you have to give them credit. For

00:31:16.690 --> 00:31:18.910
what? It showed that even in their 50s, even

00:31:18.910 --> 00:31:21.390
as billionaires, they were still willing to take

00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:24.529
massive, insane, career -damaging risks. They

00:31:24.529 --> 00:31:27.210
followed their artistic muse even when it led

00:31:27.210 --> 00:31:29.180
them off a cliff. Let's talk about the business

00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:31.240
side again for a second, because in 2012, they

00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.299
did something incredibly smart. They launched

00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:35.559
their own record label, Blackened Recordings.

00:31:35.619 --> 00:31:37.839
This is the key to their modern wealth and power.

00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:40.299
After their contract with their longtime label

00:31:40.299 --> 00:31:42.759
was up, they negotiated the rights to all of

00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.660
their master recordings back. They own everything.

00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:50.099
So every stream, every vinyl reissue, every time

00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:52.799
a song is used in a movie or a video game. That

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.809
money goes straight to them. They cut out the

00:31:54.809 --> 00:31:57.390
middleman. They're a fully independent, self

00:31:57.390 --> 00:31:59.910
-contained corporation. And they are using that

00:31:59.910 --> 00:32:02.670
independence to stay incredibly relevant. They

00:32:02.670 --> 00:32:04.869
aren't just a nostalgia act playing their old

00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:06.869
hits. Not at all. Look at what happened with

00:32:06.869 --> 00:32:09.289
the show Stranger Things. In 2022, they used

00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:12.609
Master of Puppets in a key scene. Right. The

00:32:12.609 --> 00:32:14.869
Eddie Munson scene in the Upside Down. Exactly.

00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:17.970
And the song, which was 36 years old at that

00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:20.710
point, just exploded. It shot up the charts all

00:32:20.710 --> 00:32:22.630
over the world. A whole new generation of kids

00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:25.349
discovered it. And instead of being old and gatekeeping

00:32:25.349 --> 00:32:28.809
about it, Metallica embraced the new fans. They

00:32:28.809 --> 00:32:31.170
posted videos on TikTok duetting with the scene.

00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:34.190
And then just this year, in 2024, they did a

00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:36.569
massive integration into the video game Fortnite.

00:32:37.029 --> 00:32:43.750
A fuel, fire, fury, in -game concert event. They

00:32:43.750 --> 00:32:45.869
understand that to survive in the 21st century,

00:32:46.049 --> 00:32:48.650
you have to capture the 14 -year -olds, not just

00:32:48.650 --> 00:32:50.470
the 50 -year -olds who grew up with them. They're

00:32:50.470 --> 00:32:52.720
constantly looking forward. I want to zoom out

00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.779
for a second and look at the so what here. We've

00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:56.539
tracked them from the garage in L .A. to the

00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:58.579
corporate boardroom, from the alcoholic days

00:32:58.579 --> 00:33:00.880
of destroying hotel rooms to the All Within My

00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.000
Hands Foundation. Which is their charity, and

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.079
it does some amazing work. It donates millions

00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.940
of dollars to community colleges for workforce

00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:10.880
education, to food banks, to disaster relief

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.779
efforts like Maui wildfires or supporting Ukraine.

00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:17.079
They've really matured. But the music, even on

00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.640
their latest album, 72 Seasons, is still incredibly

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:21.680
heavy. It is. And I think a lot of that comes

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.079
down to one specific technical thing. We've talked

00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:25.960
about them being fast, but we haven't really

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:27.880
talked about the Hetfield right hand. The down

00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:29.720
picket. That is the engine of the entire band.

00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:32.940
James Hetfield almost exclusively uses down picking

00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:35.799
on his right hand. Most guitarists use an alternating

00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.079
up -down motion to play fast passages. James

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.859
just goes down, down, down, down. Which is physically

00:33:41.859 --> 00:33:44.579
exhausting. It's like a jackhammer. It requires

00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.559
incredible stamina and precision, but it creates

00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.220
this percussive, machine gun -like attack that

00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:53.519
is just tighter and more aggressive than anything

00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.880
else. That physical discipline is the absolute

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.859
core of their sound. And that discipline, that

00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:02.779
refusal to quit, has allowed them to outlast

00:34:02.779 --> 00:34:05.740
everyone and everything. Think about it. They

00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:07.910
outlived the cassette tape. They outlived the

00:34:07.910 --> 00:34:11.530
CD. They outlived the MP3. They literally outlived

00:34:11.530 --> 00:34:13.829
Napster, the very service they tried to destroy.

00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:16.769
They are currently outliving the concept of an

00:34:16.769 --> 00:34:19.269
album itself. They are the cockroach of rock

00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:21.010
and roll. You just cannot kill them. And they

00:34:21.010 --> 00:34:23.650
are still filling stadiums. Their current M72

00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:26.269
world tour is this massive production where they

00:34:26.269 --> 00:34:28.449
sell out two nights in every single city with

00:34:28.449 --> 00:34:30.809
a completely different set list each night. It's

00:34:30.809 --> 00:34:32.570
remarkable for a band that's been doing this

00:34:32.570 --> 00:34:36.000
for over 40 years. So here's my final provocative

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.320
thought for you to chew on. In a genre like heavy

00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.079
metal, which is so often obsessed with youth

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.320
and aggression and rebellion, Metallica has somehow

00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.760
become the classic rock of our generation. They

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.500
are to us what the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin

00:34:51.500 --> 00:34:54.000
were to our parents. That's a very fair comparison.

00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:57.699
They are the institutions now. The elder statesmen.

00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.539
But it raises a really interesting question.

00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:03.179
Metallica is still, by a huge margin, the biggest

00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:04.940
metal band in the world. They have been for over

00:35:04.940 --> 00:35:08.300
30 years. Who's next? Is there anyone even on

00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:11.000
the horizon? Or did Metallica climb the ladder

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.500
to the top of the mountain and then just pull

00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:14.719
it up behind them? That is the worrying part,

00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.320
I think. There are great modern heavy bands.

00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:20.039
You've got Slipknot, Gojira's Ghosts, but none

00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.860
of them are Metallica big. None of them sell

00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:24.539
16 million albums in the U .S. big. None of them

00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:26.659
are playing Antarctica big. The industry has

00:35:26.659 --> 00:35:29.840
just fragmented too much. It has. The monoculture

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.659
that allowed a band like Metallica to get that

00:35:31.659 --> 00:35:34.000
huge just doesn't exist anymore. We may never

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.599
see a rock band or really a band of any genre

00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.400
achieve that level of global saturation ever

00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.219
again. So Metallica might just be the last of

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the Titans. A lightning strike that happened

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because a Danish tennis player put a weird ad

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in a newspaper and a shy kid from Downey decided

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to answer it. And thank God he did. Absolutely.

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Thanks for unpacking this absolute monster of

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a topic with us. We'll see you on the next Deep

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Dive.
