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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. We have a massive

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stack of documents on the table today. Biographies,

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coroner reports, studio contracts, film archives.

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And honestly, looking at it all, I feel a heavy

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responsibility. We are unpacking a story that

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I think a lot of people feel like they know,

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but usually they only knew the ending. We're

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talking about... Natalie Wood. Natalie Wood.

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It is a name that instantly conjures up a very

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specific, very tragic set of images for most

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people. It really does. And sadly, for the vast

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majority of the public, the First Association

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isn't her acting technique. It isn't her record

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-breaking Oscar nominations or her business acumen.

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No. It's the water. It's the boat. It's the red

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down jacket. It is the mysterious circumstances

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of her death in 1981. Which is, I mean, it's

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understandable given the unresolved nature of

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the case and the sheer cultural impact. act of

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that weekend. However, the mission for today's

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deep dive is to fundamentally shift that focus.

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You need to gently push that tragedy to the side

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for a moment, or at least to the end of the story

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where it chronologically belongs, and focus on

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the woman herself. Because when you actually

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dig into the source material, as we have done

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pretty extensively, you realize that Natalie

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Wood was not just a victim of a dark Hollywood

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mystery. She was a pivotal architect of American

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cinema. She really was the bridge, wasn't she?

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When I was looking at the timeline, it struck

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me. She spans old Hollywood. The rigid, glamorous

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studio system of the 40s and 50s. Right, the

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contract player era. And New Hollywood, the gritty,

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realistic, director -driven cinema of the 60s

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and 70s. Precisely. And that is a bridge that

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very, very few actors cross successfully. I mean,

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think about her contemporaries from the child

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star era. They vanished. They either burned out,

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left the industry, or couldn't shake the cute

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kid persona. Natalie Wood didn't just survive

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the transition. She evolved. She was an icon

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in three different decades. But getting there,

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oh man, it was not a smooth ride. We are talking

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about a Russian -American child star, a stage

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mother who makes Mama Rose look like a meditative

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yoga instructor. That is not an exaggeration.

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And a personal life that was just as dramatic,

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if not more so, than anything she put on screen.

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There is a tension that runs through her entire

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life. A duality. On the surface, she had this

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clean, middle -class, perfect American image.

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She was the girl next door. But underneath...

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It was turbulent. It was often dark. And frankly,

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it was a fight for survival from the very beginning.

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So let's go back to that beginning, because before

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she was Natalie Wood, the Hollywood darling,

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she was a little girl in San Francisco with a

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much more complex heritage. That's right. She

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was born Natalia Nikolaevna Zakarenko in 1938.

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Zakarenko. That is not exactly the name you see

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on a neon marquee in 1940s America. No. And that

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heritage is crucial to understanding her psychology.

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She was of Russian and Ukrainian descent. Parents

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were immigrants, but that word feels too gentle.

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It does. They weren't just moving for a change

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of scenery. They were fleeing immense turmoil.

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They were refugees of a violent revolution. Her

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family history reads like a history textbook

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of the early 20th century. It's intense. It is.

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Her paternal grandfather worked in a chocolate

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factory in Russia. But when the revolution broke

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out, he joined the anti -Bolshevik civilian forces.

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Yeah. He was actually killed in a street fight

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between the Red Army and the white Russian soldiers

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in Vladivostok. Wow. That is a visceral image.

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To have that kind of political violence in your

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immediate lineage. Yeah. And her mother's side.

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A bit wealthier, but a similar kind of trauma.

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Her maternal grandfather owned soap and candle

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factories. But when the Russian Civil War hit,

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they lost everything. Everything. They had to

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flee to China, settling in Harbin as refugees,

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living in this community of displaced Russians.

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Eventually, both sides of the family made their

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way to North America. carrying that trauma with

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them. So you have this backdrop of displacement,

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of survival, of losing everything and starting

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over. The mindset must have been, we have to

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survive at all costs. Yes. And into this mix

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comes Natalie's mother, Maria Zutalova. And from

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everything I've read, Maria is a character that

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requires her own deep dive. Maria, or Mud, as

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she was sometimes called in the family, is the

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driving force of the early Natalie Wood story.

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And force might be an understatement. Right.

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She had what sources describe as an overpowering

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ambition. She was a frustrated artist herself,

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dreaming of a stardom that the revolution had

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stolen from her. We see this pattern a lot with

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child stars, don't we? The parent projecting

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their unfulfilled dreams onto the child. It's

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almost a cliche, but here it seems dangerous.

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Absolutely. Maria had been a would -be performer.

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She married Natalie's father, Nicholas, but the

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power dynamic was very clear. Maria was the captain

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of the ship. She was in charge. Totally. So when

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a director named Irving Pichelle spotted a young

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Natalie in Santa Rosa, literally just saw her

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in a crowd during a film shoot, he saw potential.

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He told the mother, bring her to L .A. for a

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screen test. And the father, Nicholas, was like,

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no way. He was completely opposed. He wanted

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a normal life for them. He wanted his daughter

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to have a childhood. But Maria. She saw an opportunity.

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Oh, she packed up the whole family and moved

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them to Los Angeles. She wasn't going to let

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this ticket punch itself. She saw Natalie not

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just as a daughter, but as a vehicle for the

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family's salvation. And then once they get to

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Hollywood, the machine starts working. First

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order of business, the identity. This is where

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the erasure happens. Right. Zakarenko was too

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foreign for RKO executives. It was 1943. The

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country was at war. Xenophobia was real. They

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wanted something all -American. Something crisp.

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So they just picked a name. Pretty much. Executives

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David Lewis and William Gutz decided to rename

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her. They chose Wood as a tribute to the director

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Sam Wood. Just like that. You're four years old

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and suddenly your name is a tribute to some guy

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you don't know. Yeah. Stripping away that Russian

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heritage to make her palatable for the masses,

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it's commodification 101. It was the era of assimilation.

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You had to be the girl next door. And Natalie

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was very good at being what people wanted her

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to be. She learned early on that her job was

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to be pleasing, to be moldable. But the cost

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of that compliance. I want to talk about the

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butterfly incident because this story, when I

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read it in the source material, it actually made

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my stomach turn. It's awful. It tells you everything

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you need to know about her childhood and her

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relationship with her mother. It is a harrowing

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anecdote, and it serves as a central metaphor

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for her life. This was on the set of the film,

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Tomorrow is Forever. Natalie is about seven years

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old. She's starring opposite Orson Welles and

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Claudette Colbert. Huge stars. And there's a

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scene where she needs to cry. Correct. She plays

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a German orphan. The scene requires deep, hysterical

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tears. But Natalie was, you know, a happy child

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on a movie set. She couldn't quite get the tears

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flowing on cue. A pretty normal thing for a kid.

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Right. So her mother, Maria, decided to... Help.

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Help is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. It

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is. Maria knew that Natalie had captured a butterfly

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on set. She loved this butterfly. She was protecting

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it in a little jar. Oh, no. Maria asked for the

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butterfly. Natalie trusted her mother and handed

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it over. Maria then tore the butterfly to pieces

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right in front of the child's face. She ripped

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a live butterfly apart to make her daughter cry

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for a movie scene. And it worked. Natalie sobbed

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hysterically. The director got the shot. That's

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monstrous. It is. Think about the psychological

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conditioning there. It taught her that her genuine

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emotions were tools to be extracted. It taught

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her that the person she trusted most in the world

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would hurt her to get a result. It's manipulation,

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plain and simple. But the industry rewarded it.

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That's the sick part. Orson Welles, the great

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Orson Welles. What does he say about her? He

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called her a born professional. He said she was

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so good, she was terrifying. Terrifying. That's

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a telling word choice. It is. He noted that she

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didn't act from the script. She acted from the

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heart. And knowing what we know about how that

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heart was manipulated by her mother, that praise

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takes on a darker hue. Of course. She was known

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as one -take Natalie. Efficient, perfect, a director's

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dream. But inside, she was being conditioned

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to suppress her own needs for the sake of the

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production. And she hits the big time with Miracle

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on 34th Street in 1947. Which is ironic, right?

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She plays this cynical little girl, Susan Walker,

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who doesn't believe in Santa Claus and has to

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learn to be a child. It mirrored her reality

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perfectly. She was a child who had been forced

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to mature at an accelerated rate. She was working

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full -time jobs while other kids were playing

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hopscotch. In the movie, she's skeptical of magic

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because she's too practical. In real life, she

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was practical because she was the family breadwinner.

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Speaking of being a breadwinner, she didn't really

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go to school, did she? I mean, how do you fit

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in algebra when you're on set 10 hours a day?

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Not in the traditional sense, no. She was educated

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on set. California law required three hours of

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schooling a day for child actors. Okay. But this

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wasn't a classroom with peers. It was usually

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a corner of a soundstage with a tutor. Despite

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the lack of a formal classroom, though, she was

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brilliant. She was. She was a straight -A student.

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She excelled in arithmetic. Director Joseph Mankiewicz

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called her the smartest Moppet he'd ever met.

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Wow, but it must have felt isolating. Incredibly.

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And here's the heartbreaking part. Natalie herself

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said she always felt guilty when the crew was

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waiting for her to finish her school hours. She

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knew that time was money. She felt responsible

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for holding up production as a child. As a child.

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As soon as she was done, she'd run back to the

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set. The set was her home. It was where she felt

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she belonged, but it was also a place of immense

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pressure. So she conquers childhood. She's a

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massive star. But then comes the hurdle that

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kills 90 % of child star careers, puberty. Right.

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The awkward phase. The industry usually discards

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you the moment you get braces. It is the child

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star curse. Audiences love you when you're cute

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and precocious. They often reject you when you

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start growing up and developing autonomy or,

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you know, sexuality. But Natalie Wood was one

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of the very, very few to stick the landing. And

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the pivot point seems to be 1955, Rebel Without

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a Cause. This is the moment everything changes.

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She is 16 years old. She is transitioning to

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an ingenue. And she is cast opposite James Dean.

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The symbol of teenage angst himself. And this

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wasn't just another assignment, right? This was

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different for her. No. For the first time, Natalie

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wasn't just doing what her mother told her to

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do. This was the first script she read that she

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actively wanted to do. So she fought for it.

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She did. Her parents were actually opposed to

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it. They didn't like the subject matter, juvenile

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delinquency, police stations rebellion. It clashed

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with the perfect daughter brand. But she saw

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something in it. She saw herself. She later said,

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until then, I did what I was told. Rebel was

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her rebellion, both on screen and off. She identified

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with the character of Judy, a girl who feels

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misunderstood by her father, who is acting out

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for attention. And it paid off, big time. The

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industry took notice. She earned an Academy Award

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nomination for Best Supporting Actress. At 16,

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that creates a level of legitimacy that most

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child actors never, ever get. It validated her

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as a serious actress. But even with that success,

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the studio system was a beast. We have to remember,

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in the 1950s, actors were contract players. She

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was under contract to Warner Bros., and they

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essentially owned her image. They kept trying

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to shove her into these girlfriend roles, right?

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Just the pretty face next to the male lead. Right.

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After Rebel, instead of giving her more gritty

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roles, they cast her opposite tab hunter in these,

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like... fluffy movies like the burning hills

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they were trying to manufacture a teen idol box

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office couple and she wasn't having it she found

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it incredibly unsatisfying she wanted substance

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she wanted to stretch and when she refused roles

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this is the part that blows my mind about the

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studio system they suspended her that was how

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the system worked you were an employee if you

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didn't do the picture they assigned you didn't

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get paid and You couldn't work anywhere else.

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Exactly. You couldn't work anywhere else. She

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was suspended for over a year at one point. That

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takes guts to stand up to the machine when you're

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barely out of high school and essentially go

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on strike. It does. It shows that she wasn't

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just a puppet. She had an artistic vision for

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herself. And amidst this struggle, she takes

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on the role of Marjorie Morningstar in 1958.

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Which feels very autobiographical in a way. Extremely.

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She plays a Jewish girl in New York struggling

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with the expectations of her family and her religious

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community versus her own desire for an identity

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as an actress. It's the same story. Replace Jewish

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girl in New York with Russian girl in Hollywood.

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And it is essentially Natalie's life. She was

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constantly code switching between her home life

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and her public persona. So she's fighting for

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respect. She's fighting for good roles. And then

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the 60s hit. And this is really the golden era

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for her. She enters what some call the tragedy

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trio. The trilogy of tragics, as some fans call

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them. Splendor in the Grass, West Side Story,

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and Gypsy. But Splendor in the Grass in 1961

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is really the artistic turning point. This is

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where she proves she's a heavyweight. This is

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where she works with Elia Kazan and Kazan. He's

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a complicated figure, a genius director, but

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controversial. Right. He was a master of psychological

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realism. And we have to remember, Natalie idolized

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Vivian Leigh in A Streetcar Named Desire. She

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wanted that kind of raw emotional power. Kazan

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was the director who could get it out of her.

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But his methods, they were intimate and they

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were manipulative. They were. Kazan was very

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perceptive. He saw past the polished good girl

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facade. He said he saw a desperate twinkle in

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her eyes. He knew she was in psychoanalysis,

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which was somewhat taboo at the time, and he

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decided to use it. He used her therapy against

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her or for her. Depending on how you look at

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it, both. Yeah. He utilized her vulnerability.

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There's a famous scene in Splendor, the hysteria

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scene in the bathtub. Dini, her character, is

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having a complete breakdown. It is visceral.

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It is uncomfortable to watch. And she didn't

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have formal method training like Marlon Brando

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or James Dean. She wasn't from the actor's studio.

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No, she was instinctual. But Kazan pushed her

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buttons. He used effective memory. triggering

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her real -life pains to produce the on -screen

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emotion. So he was pulling from her actual trauma.

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He basically broke her down to build the character

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up, and it worked. The performance is devastating.

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It solidified her as an actress capable of deep

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neurotic complexity. She wasn't just the girlfriend

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anymore. She was a woman on the edge. And then

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almost immediately, she pivots to West Side Story.

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Maria. Yeah. One of the most famous roles in

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movie history. And also one of the most controversial

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by modern standards. We have to address the casting.

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Right. We have to address the elephant in the

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room. She was a Russian -American woman playing

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a Puerto Rican character. And she was darkened

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with makeup. It was the norm of the time. Hollywood

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often treated ethnicity as a costume. But it

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stands out starkly today. It really does? And

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on top of that, there is the issue of the voice.

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Wait, really? I think a lot of people assume

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that's her voice singing, I Feel Pretty. No.

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That is the legendary Marnie Nixon. dubbing her

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singing voice. The same woman who dubbed Audrey

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Hepburn in My Fair Lady. The very same. Natalie

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recorded all the tracks. She worked tirelessly

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on the songs, believing her voice would be used.

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But the studio, wanting perfection, replaced

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them in post -production without telling her

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at first. That has to be a massive blow to the

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ego. You do the work and they erase your voice.

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It was. She felt betrayed. But despite the casting

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issues and the dubbing, the film is a masterpiece

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and her performance anchors it. It does. And

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if you look at the themes, it connects right

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back to Rebel Without a Cause. Both films deal

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with the restlessness of youth, the alienation,

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the violence bubbling under the surface of American

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society. In Rebel, she's the girlfriend of the

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outcast. In West Side Story, she is the outcast,

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crossing racial lines for love. She became the

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face of that specific brand of 50s and early

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60s yearning. And the Academy noticed. By age

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25, she had racked up three Oscar nominations,

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Rebel, Splendor, and Love with the Proper Stranger.

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That was a historic achievement. She held the

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record for the youngest person to achieve three

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nominations until Jennifer Lawrence broke it

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in 2013. 50 years. That's incredible. That is

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a span of 50 years that shows you the magnitude

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of her stardom at that young age. She was statistically

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one of the most successful actors in history.

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But despite the box office, and she was huge

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box office, right up there with Liz Taylor and

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Audrey Hepburn, the critics weren't always kind.

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No. They weren't. There was a skepticism about

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her, maybe because she was so beautiful or because

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she had been a child star. They often dismissed

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her as a machine -tooled studio product. They

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thought she was too polished. Which brings us

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to the Harvard Lampoon story. I love this because

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it shows a side of her personality that the tragic

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narrative ignores. It is a great moment. In 1966,

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the Harvard Lampoon named her worst actress of

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last year, this year, and next. Ouch! That is

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academic snark at its finest. Brutal. But instead

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of ignoring it or getting angry, Natalie Wood

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showed up. No way. She flew to Harvard to accept

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the award in person. That is a power move. It

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showed her resilience and her sense of humor.

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She proved she was in on the joke. She disarmed

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them completely. I love that. She wasn't this

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fragile porcelain doll. She was a woman who could

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take a punch and laugh about it. But even with

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that resilience, the cracks were starting to

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show. By the mid -60s, the pressure of carrying

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films for 20 years was mounting. It was. She

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was filming a movie called Penelope, a heist

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comedy. And she started breaking out in hives.

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Hives, like stress hives. Severe hives, anguish.

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She later said she was rolling around on the

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floor in agony, and the director thought she

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was just resisting the film. Her body was literally

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rejecting the work. It's like the butterfly incident

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again. The body reacting to the trauma of the

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performance. It was a physical manifestation

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of burnout. She'd been working nonstop since

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she was four years old. So she did something

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radical. She pulled the ripcord. She paid the

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studio $175 ,000. a fortune in those days, to

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buy out her own contract. She fired her agents.

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She fired her managers. She fired her lawyers.

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She cleaned house. She fired the handlers. That

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must have been terrifying. It was an act of extreme

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independence. She took a three -year hiatus to

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focus on therapy and herself. For a czar of her

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magnitude to just stop, that was unheard of.

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But she realized that if she didn't stop, the

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industry would eat her alive. But when she came

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back... Oh, she came back. 1969. Bob and Carol

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and Ted and Alice. This is the film that bridges

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the gap to new Hollywood. It's a comedy about

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sexual liberation, wife swapping, the whole counterculture

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thing. It's very 1969. Exactly. And seeing Natalie

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Wood, the queen of glossy 50s melodramas, in

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this cynical, modern, adult satire, it was a

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revelation. That must have shocked people. It

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did. It proved she could be funny. And it proved

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she understood the way the world was changing.

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She wasn't stuck in the past. She wasn't a relic.

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She was evolving. And she continued to push boundaries

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later in her career. In the TV movie The Last

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Married Couple in America in 1980, she actually

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used the F word in a scene. Natalie Wood dropping

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an F -bomb, that feels significant. It shattered

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that clean image forever. She was playing real,

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messy, adult women. She also won a Golden Globe

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for the TV remake of From Here to Eternity in

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1979. She was finding a new groove in television,

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taking roles that allowed her to be a mature

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woman, not just an ingenue. And she was filming

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a sci -fi movie called Brainstorm right at the

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end too, which tragically became famous for all

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the wrong reasons. Yes, Brainstorm was meant

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to be her big return to theatrical films. But

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before we get to the end, we had to look at the

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private life that was fueling all this drama.

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Because if her on -screen life was turbulent,

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her off -screen life was a hurricane. Let's talk

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about the men, specifically R .J. Robert Wagner.

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It was the romance of the century, according

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to the fan magazines. She married Robert Wagner

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when she was 19. They were the golden couple,

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both beautiful, both young, both famous. But

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it fell apart in 1961, and the rumors about why,

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they are persistent. They are. Multiple biographies

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and accounts suggest a devastating reason for

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the split. The story goes that Natalie caught

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Wagner in an extramarital affair. But not just

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any affair. The account suggests she caught him

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with another man. That would explain the suddenness

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of the split and the silence around it for so

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long. In 1961, that would have been a career

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-ending scandal for him. And it devastated her.

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She attempted to move on. She married her producer,

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Richard Gregson, had her first daughter, Natasha,

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but that marriage also ended in divorce. And

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then, in a twist that nobody saw coming, she

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goes back to Wagner. The remix. They remarried

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in 1972 on a boat, ironically, and had another

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daughter, Courtney. It seemed like a fairytale

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reconciliation. Love is better the second time

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around. But it sounds like the same tensions

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remained. The sources suggest they did. Underneath

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the reunion, there were still issues. But it

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wasn't just Wagner. I mean, she dated Warren

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Beatty, Michael Caine, even Jerry Brown, the

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future governor of California. She was connected

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to the most powerful men in Hollywood and politics.

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She moved in circles of immense influence. And

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there was also an FBI agent. That's a strange

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detail. Donald Goodwin Wilson. He claimed, and

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this is years later, that he had a four -year

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affair with Wood during her second marriage to

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Wagner. So the image of the happy reunion might

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have been just that, an image projected for the

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press. But there is a much darker secret from

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her past that she carried with her, a secret

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that puts the politics of Hollywood into a really

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grim perspective. Yes. The rape allegation. This

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is something that was whispered about for decades,

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but only recently brought into the light by her

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sister, Lana Wood, and biographer Suzanne Finstead.

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It reframes her entire experience of the industry.

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The story is that when she was a teen around

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16, the rebel era, she was raped by a powerful

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actor. The details are horrific. Lana Wood claims

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it happened at the Chateau Marmont during what

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was supposed to be an audition. She says it went

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on for hours. Natalie came home disheveled and

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traumatized. And for years, the name was withheld.

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It was just... a powerful actor. But in 2021,

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Lana Wood finally named him. She named Kirk Douglas.

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Spartacus, one of the kings of Hollywood. And

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here is the truly heartbreaking part, the part

00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:37.160
that connects back to the butterfly incident.

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Natalie didn't go to the police. No. Her mother,

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Maria, reportedly told her to keep quiet. Suck

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it up. Essentially. The fear was that if she

00:22:46.539 --> 00:22:49.339
accused a star as big as Kirk Douglas, her career

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would be over. The studio would blackball her.

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They would protect the male asset. So she was

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forced to swallow that trauma, walk on set, see

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him at parties, and pretend everything was fine.

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For the rest of her life. She was a child soldier

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in the studio system. That's what it sounds like.

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It puts her hysteria scenes in a totally different

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light. It does explain the depth of pain she

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was able to access in films like Splendor in

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the Grass. She wasn't just acting. She was channeling

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a lifetime of suppression. She was screaming

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for real. So you have this woman who has survived

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the studio system, survived abuse, survived career

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lows, and reinvented herself. She is 43 years

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old. She's filming Brainstorm. And she decides

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to go on a weekend boat trip to Catalina Island.

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November 29, 1981. This is the date that overshadows

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everything else. Let's set the scene on the boat.

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The splendor. It sounds claustrophobic. It's

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a small group in a confined space. Natalie Wood,

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her husband, Robert Wagner, Christopher Walken,

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her co -star in Brainstorm. Who rumors said Wagner

00:23:50.690 --> 00:23:53.009
was jealous of. Right. And the captain, Dennis

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Davern. That's it. Four people. It's a volatile

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mix and alcohol is flowing. A lot of alcohol.

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And we know there was a fight. Robert Wagner

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later admitted in his own memoir that he and

00:24:02.029 --> 00:24:04.289
Natalie argued that night. He was angry about

00:24:04.289 --> 00:24:07.250
her career focus, angry about Walken. He smashed

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a wine bottle on the table. And then. Silence.

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She disappears. Wagner says she wasn't there

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when he went to bed. He assumed she took the

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dinghy to shore to get away from the argument.

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Her body was found the next morning, a mile away,

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floating near the inflatable dinghy. Now, the

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original ruling was accidental drowning. Correct.

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The coroner at the time, Thomas Noguchi, theorized

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that she had been drinking, maybe tried to board

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the dinghy to leave or secure it because it was

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banging against the hull, slipped, Hit her head

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and drowned. Hypothermia played a role. But that

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never sat right with the people who knew her,

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especially her sister Lana. Lana was adamant.

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Natalie was terrified of dark water. She couldn't

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swim well. She couldn't swim. Not well. And she

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had a deep -seated fear of it. The idea that

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she would essentially put on a nightgown and

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socks and try to take a dinghy out alone in the

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middle of the night. Lana said it was impossible.

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It went against every instinct she had. And there

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were witnesses nearby, right? People on a nearby

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boat. reported hearing a woman screaming for

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help in the middle of the night. Somebody please

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help me, I'm drowning. But no one could locate

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her in the dark. That's horrifying. It adds a

00:25:14.869 --> 00:25:18.170
layer of horror to the event. She was alive in

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the water, calling out. The case was closed for

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decades. But then in 2011, it cracks open again.

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The captain, Dennis Davern, came forward. He

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admitted he lied to the police originally. What

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did he say really happened? He painted a picture

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of a rage -fueled night. He claimed Wagner was

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jealous of Walken, smashed the bottle, and got

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into a screaming match with Natalie on the rear

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deck of the boat. And crucially, Davern claims

00:25:43.539 --> 00:25:45.700
Wagner prevented him from searching properly.

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That's right. Davern alleges that when Natalie

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went missing, he wanted to turn on the searchlights

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and call for help immediately. As you would.

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He claims Wagner told him not to. Wagner allegedly

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said, leave her there. Teach her a lesson. Chilling.

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Teach her a lesson. As if she were a child being

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disciplined. That is the allegation. And based

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on this new testimony and a reexamination of

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the evidence, the coroner actually changed the

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death certificate in 2012. It no longer says

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accidental drowning. It now reads drowning and

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other undetermined factors. That shift is monumental

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legally. It means they can no longer say with

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certainty it was an accident. And the bruising.

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That was a major point of contention in the new

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report. Yes. The 2013 addendum to the autopsy

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noted significant bruising on her arms, legs,

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and a scratch on her neck. The forensic analysis

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suggested these injuries might have occurred

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before she entered the water. Which points to

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assault. It is consistent with being assaulted

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or held down. Because of this, in 2018, the investigators

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named Robert Wagner a person of interest. But

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no charges were ever filed. No. Without a confession

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or definitive forensic proof linking someone

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to the act, it remains in legal limbo. A mystery.

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But the cloud of suspicion has never lifted.

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It is the ultimate Hollywood noir ending, but

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as we promised at the start, we don't want to

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leave her there in the water. We need to reclaim

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the narrative. No. We need to pull back and look

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at the legacy. Because if you stop at the death,

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you miss the triumph of her life. When you look

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at her filmography miracle on 34th Street, Rebel

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Without a Cause, The Searchers, Splendor in the

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Grass, West Side Story, Bob and Carol and Ted

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and Alice, she is literally tracing the history

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of American film. One critic called her our sexual

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conscience on the silver screen. She embodied

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the confusion, the repression, and the eventual

00:27:34.970 --> 00:27:37.470
liberation of American women over those three

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decades. She played the girls who were afraid,

00:27:39.950 --> 00:27:42.750
the girls who went crazy, and eventually the

00:27:42.750 --> 00:27:44.869
women who took charge. Her daughter, Natasha

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Gregson Wagner, has said that the focus on the

00:27:47.289 --> 00:27:49.369
death has completely overshadowed the life's

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work. And she's right. We fixate on the victimhood.

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She is right. We lost a terrifyingly good professional.

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We lost the woman who gave us the heartbreaking

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vulnerability of Dini and Splendor and the fire

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of Maria and West Side Story. We lost a woman

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who fought for her name, fought for her roles,

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and fought for her sanity. So as we wrap up,

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what is the big takeaway here? How should we

00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:11.799
remember Natalie Wood? We should remember her

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as a survivor. She survived a revolution in her

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home country before she was even born. She survived

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a predatory stage mother who tore up her butterflies.

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She survived the brutality of the studio system

00:28:24.980 --> 00:28:27.579
that owned her. She survived the transition from

00:28:27.579 --> 00:28:31.160
child star to adult icon. She survived assault.

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She kept working, kept evolving, kept fighting

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for her identity. It's a testament to her strength.

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She wasn't frail. She was steel. And here is

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a final thought to chew on. Consider the industry

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:46.519
that created her. This system took a four -year

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-old. changed her name, manipulated her emotions,

00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.440
covered up a sexual assault by a superstar when

00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.660
she was 16, and then... Well, the circumstances

00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:57.140
of her death involve powerful people, changing

00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.279
stories, and a lot of silence. It feels like

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.599
the system protected itself from start to finish.

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Exactly. If she had lived, if she had continued

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to evolve into that fearless woman she was becoming

00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.819
in the 80s... Right. Consider this. She knew

00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:11.039
where the bodies were buried. She knew the secrets

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of the studio system because she had lived them.

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Right. Would she have become the ultimate whistleblower

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on old Hollywood? Would she have burned the whole

00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:20.680
house down? That is a fascinating what if Natalie

00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.440
Wood, the whistleblower, the woman who finally

00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.079
told the truth. We will never know, but we can

00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.339
certainly appreciate the fire she left on screen.

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Absolutely. Thank you for listening to this deep

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dive into the life of Natalie Wood. Look her

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up. Watch the movies. See the work. Don't just

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read the autopsy report. It's worth it. We'll

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catch you on the next one.
