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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are tackling

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something. Well, something that sort of breaks

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the brain a little bit. We're looking at the

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story of NXIVM. Yeah. And it's not just a crime

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story, is it? It's, I don't know, it feels like

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a glitch in the code of human intelligence. That's

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a great way to put it, because we all operate

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under this basic assumption that if you're smart,

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you know, if you're successful, you've got money,

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you've got status, then you're somehow... inoculated

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against this kind of thing. You're immune. You'd

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never have your brain hijacked. Right. It's that

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comforting little story we tell ourselves. I

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would never join a cult. That's what everyone

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thinks. Of course. But then you look at NXIVM,

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and this wasn't, you know, a group of lost souls

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out in the desert waiting for a comet to arrive.

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No. This was sold as an executive success program.

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We're talking about C. Graham heiresses, literal

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billionaires. We're talking about Hollywood actresses,

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political figures, people who on paper had it

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all figured out. People you would assume are

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the least vulnerable. Exactly. And yet they wound

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up in a suburban townhome in Albany, New York,

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holding each other down and branding one another

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with a soldering iron. It creates this massive

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cognitive dissonance. You just can't reconcile

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executive success program with sex trafficking

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ring. It doesn't compute. And that's what we

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want to dig into today. We aren't just going

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to rehash the timeline. I think most of you listening

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know the broad strokes. You've heard about the

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colored sashes. You've definitely heard about

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the branding. Oh, yeah. Today, we want to actually

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dismantle the mechanism. We want to look at the

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architecture of control that this man, Keith

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Renier, or Vanguard, as he insisted on being

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called, built brick by insidious brick. And we

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have just a mountain of source material to work

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with. We've got the complete court transcripts

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from the federal racketeering trial, U .S. versus

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Ranier, which, I mean, they read like a psychological

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horror novel. They really do. We've also got

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the internal NXIVM documents, the reports on

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the secret DOS society, and even Ranier's own

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patent filings, which are, well, they're insane.

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We'll get to those. Yeah, the patent filings

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are a special kind of bizarre. So the mission

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today is really to answer one core question.

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How did a guy with a mullet and a 2 .2 GPA, convince

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some of the wealthiest and most influential people

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on the planet that he was the smartest man in

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the world. And not just convince them, convince

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them to the point that they would finance his

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crimes, hand over their children, and defend

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him even after he was convicted. It's a masterclass

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in the weaponization of narcissism. Okay, so

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let's start where every good myth begins, the

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origin story. Or I guess in this case, the complete

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fabrication of an origin story. Because Keith

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Renier wasn't born Vanguard. That was a character

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he had to meticulously construct. And the foundation

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of that character, the thing that everything

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else was built on, was this idea of his genius.

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It was the hook. If you look at any of the NXIVM

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promotional material, any of the sacred texts

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as they sort of saw them, Renier is presented

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as this. This singular genetic event. The smartest

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man in the world. The famous Guinness record.

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I feel like this is the first big red flag that

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everyone just willfully ignored. The claim was

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an IQ of 240, which, you know, psychometricians

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will tell you is statistically meaningless. It's

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so many standard deviations above the norm, it's

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basically impossible to measure. But he had proof,

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right? He had this listing in the Guinness Book

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of World Records. He did. And this is the detail

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that always gets me. It was in the 1989 Australian

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edition. The Australian edition. Why is that

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so specific? It's perfect, isn't it? It's so

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obscure that it sounds credible. Who would make

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that up? But let's look at how he got that record.

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It wasn't, you know, a standardized proctored

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IQ test administered by a team of psychologists.

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No. He took something called the mega test. The

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mega test. That sounds like something you'd find

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in the back of a comic book. Almost. It was published

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in Omni magazine back in the 80s. And here's

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the kicker. It was an unsupervised. Take -home

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test. Wait, hold on. A take -home test. So the

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proof that he's the smartest man in the world

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is based on a test he could have done with an

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encyclopedia, a team of MIT professors, and,

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you know, three weeks of finish. Precisely. There

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was no time limit. He could have used any resource

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he wanted. And experts have debunked the megatest

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for years. It has no scientific validity for

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measuring IQs in that extreme range because the

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sample size is essentially zero. You can't create

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a bell curve. But it didn't matter. It didn't

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matter at all. Rainier wasn't after scientific

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validation. He was after a marketing slogan.

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He got the citation. He probably laminated it.

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And that one line became the bedrock of his entire

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authority. I am the smartest man in the world.

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Therefore, my logic is superior to your feelings,

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your intuition, your entire worldview. You've

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got it. That's the core argument. And it's incredibly

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powerful. But then you pull the actual receipts.

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You look at his actual academic performance,

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specifically his college transcripts from Rensselaer

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Polytechnic Institute, RPI. Which is a very good

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school, by the way, a tough engineering and science

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school. A very tough school. And when you look

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at his grades. The whole mega genius narrative

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just evaporates. I mean, he didn't just struggle

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in a few classes. He almost flunked out. I'm

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looking at the numbers here. He graduated with

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a 2 .26 GPA. A 2 .26. And it's not like he was

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some bored genius just skipping class to, you

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know, solve cold fusion in his dorm room. The

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records show he failed upper level math courses.

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He failed physics. He was, by all objective measures,

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an average to below average student. So you have

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this huge chasm between the reality of the 2

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.26 GPA and the persona, the 240 IQ. Most people

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would feel some kind of shame about that gap.

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But not Ranier. He flipped it. That's a classic

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guru move. He used his academic failures as proof

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that the system was flawed, not him. The world's

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measurements were too primitive to appreciate

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his genius. The standard rules just don't apply

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to Vanguard. Exactly. And speaking of Vanguard,

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we have to talk about that name. Within the group,

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this title was. It was spoken with his hushed

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reverence. Vanguard is coming to the session.

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Vanguard says, it sounds so grand, like a philosophical

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concept or a military rank. You'd think so. But

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the origin, according to the source material,

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is, well, it's a lot dumber than that. It's from

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an arcade game. It's from an arcade game, a scrolling

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shooter from the early 80s called Vanguard. Ranier

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was obsessed with it. A video game. A video game.

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But it's the game's mechanic that's so telling,

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so deeply revealing. In Vanguard, you fly this

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little spaceship, and the way you gain power

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and become temporarily invincible is by destroying

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your enemies. That is chillingly on the nose.

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Isn't it? He didn't pick a name that meant the

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teacher or the guide or the enlightened one.

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He picked a name that, in his mind, meant I get

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stronger by destroying others. It's a perfect

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window into his psyche. He saw life as a zero

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-sum game. For him to win, somebody else had

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to lose. For him to be powerful, someone else

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had to be made weak. He saw people as resources.

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as non -player characters in his own game, there

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to be farmed for points. And long before he was

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farming souls inside NXIVM, he was farming wallets

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in a company called Consumers Byline. Yes. This

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is the chapter from the 90s that often gets overlooked,

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but it's crucial. It's the beta test for everything

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that came later. So what was it exactly? On the

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surface, Consumers Byline was a buying club.

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You pay a fee to join, and in return, you get

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access to wholesale discounts on groceries, electronics,

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appliances. It sounds incredibly boring. Right.

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But the math didn't work out. The discounts weren't

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big enough to justify the membership fee. So

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the only way to actually make money was to recruit

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other people to join the club. And when they

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paid their fee, you got a cut. So a pyramid scheme.

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A textbook out -of -the -box pyramid scheme.

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The New York attorney general investigated it

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and called it exactly that. It wasn't even subtle.

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Eventually, something like 20 different state

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regulators came after him. And the whole thing

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collapsed. It collapsed spectacularly, leaving

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thousands of people out of pocket. But you have

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to watch the pattern here. The business fails.

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The regulators are closing in. What does the

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genius do? He plays the victim. He claims he

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was misunderstood. Always. He signed a consent

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order in 1996, which banned him from any future

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chain distribution schemes. And he was hit with

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a $40 ,000 fine. But the court records show he

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only ever paid about $9 ,000 of it. He pleaded

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poverty. This is a man who was constantly boasting

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about his incredible wealth and his ability to

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generate millions. And he told the state of New

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York, sorry, I can't afford to pay the fine.

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And they let him get away with it. It's incredible.

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And this is also where we see the prototype for

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how he would handle his romantic relationships.

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This is where Tony Natalie comes in. Yes. Tony

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wasn't just his girlfriend. She was a business

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partner. She was actually the top seller, the

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top recruiter in consumers byline. So they were

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a team. A power couple. But the second the business

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went under and she tried to end the relationship.

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The mask just dropped. The shift was instantaneous.

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From love bombing to total war. He didn't just

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break up with her. He began a years -long campaign

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of harassment against her. We're talking endless,

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baseless lawsuits, trespassing, intimidation.

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It got so bad that a federal bankruptcy judge,

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a man named Robert Littlefield, wrote in a ruling

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that Ranier's actions smacked of a jilted fellow's

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attempt at revenge. I love that a federal judge

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actually put the words jilted fellow into a legal

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document. document, but it really highlights

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a key tactic that Ranier would perfect later

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on. Using the legal system as a weapon. As a

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bludgeon. He realized early on that the truth

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doesn't matter in court as much as who has the

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deepest pockets. You can bankrupt your enemies

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with legal fees even if you never win a single

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case. It's called paper terrorism and it became

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a core pillar of the NXIVM strategy. You can't

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leave us because if you do, we will sue you,

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your family, your dog into oblivion. So Byline

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is a smoking crater. He's broke. He's banned

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from multilevel marketing. He has a trail of

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burned investors and a jilted fellow ruling against

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him. Most people at this point would, you know,

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go get a normal job. Go work at Home Depot, yeah.

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But not Ranier. He pivots. And in 1998, he meets

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Nancy Salzman. And Nancy Salzman is the missing

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piece of the puzzle. Ranier had the grand narcissistic

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vision, but Nancy had the tech. She had the tools.

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Who was she? What was her background? Nancy Saltzman,

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who would become known inside the group as Prefect,

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was a nurse and a trained hypnotist. She had

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a deep, deep background in NLP neurolinguistic

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programming. Okay, so what is NLP, for those

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who don't know? It's a controversial approach

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to psychotherapy and communication. The idea

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is to change someone's thoughts and behaviors

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by analyzing and mimicking the language patterns

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of successful people. But in the wrong hands,

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it's a toolkit for manipulation. It's a way to

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hack people's brains. That's exactly right. So

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Ranier provided the overarching philosophy, the

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why. But Saltzman provided the delivery system,

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the how. And together they form Executive Success

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Programs, or ESP. And I think this rebranding

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is why so many people got sucked in. They weren't

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joining a cult run by a failed pyramid scheme

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operator. No, of course not. They were signing

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up for a five -day intensive workshop for a few

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thousand dollars to help them overcome procrastination.

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and become better public speakers. The bait was

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self -improvement, self -optimization. Always.

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And the core curriculum was this thing they patented

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called rational inquiry. And on the surface,

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it sounds perfectly reasonable. Let's rationally

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inquire into your beliefs to see if they are

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limiting you. Who wouldn't want that? But the

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way they applied it was predatory. It was essentially

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the Socratic method, but weaponized to dismantle

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your own intuition and conscience. Can you break

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that down? How would a session actually go? OK,

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so a facilitator, who they called a proctor,

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would single you out in a group setting. They'd

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ask you about a limiting belief. Let's say you

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feel guilty about lying to a friend. OK. The

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proctor would ask, why do you feel bad about

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that? You might say, well, because lying is wrong.

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They'd ask, why is it wrong? You'd say, because

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society teaches us that honesty is important.

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And they pounce. So you're just a slave to societal

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conditioning. You don't have your own ethical

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framework. Wow, so they twist it. They drill

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down and down and down until you hit one of your

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bedrock moral beliefs like hurting people is

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bad. And then they label that belief a disintegration.

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They convince you that your own conscience, your

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gut feeling, is actually just a parasite -based

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habit. A parasite -based habit. That is a terrifying

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phrase. It's genius in a sociopathic way. It's

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branding for amorality. So the next time your

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gut tells you this feels creepy or I don't think

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I should do this, Rainier's teaching is right

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there in your head saying that feeling is a parasite.

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It's a limitation. You need to cut it out to

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achieve your full potential. So over time, you

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replace your own internal moral compass with

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Keith Rainier's logic. You've got it. And the

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physical environment reinforced this whole process.

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There were rituals, the bowing to high -ranking

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members, and of course, the sashes. Right, the

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stripe path. It was like a martial arts dojo.

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Exactly. It mimicked a karate dojo. You start

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with a plain white sash. But you see other people

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with orange sashes, green sashes, sashes with

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stripes on them. It gamified the indoctrination

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process. It created this desire to rank up. It

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taps into the sunk cost fallacy. You spend $5

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,000 on the first course. You get your white

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sash. You really want that orange sash. So you

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spend another $10 ,000 on the next level of courses.

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And to admit at that point that it's all a scam

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is to admit that you, a smart, successful person,

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were fooled. So you don't. You double down. You

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keep climbing the ladder. But climbing that ladder

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required a huge amount of money. And this brings

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us to the financial engine of NXIVM, Claire and

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Sarah Bronfman. The ATMs. I still struggle to

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wrap my head around this piece of the story.

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These are the heiresses to the Seagram liquor

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fortune. They have access to literally the best

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education, the best financial advisors, the best

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therapists in the entire world. And they handed

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their fortune over to a guy who played arcade

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games and lived in a rented townhouse in Albany.

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It's unbelievable. The Bronfman's were the rocket

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fuel. Without their money, NXIVM is just a weird

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little local group, a curiosity. With their money,

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it became an international organization with

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immense power. How much are we talking about?

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The court records showed they poured at least

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$150 million into Rarnier's various projects

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and legal battles. $150 million. And it wasn't

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just for operations, was it? They were covering

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his personal mistakes. The smartest man in the

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world turned out to be a spectacularly bad commodities

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trader. He lost how much? Speculating on the

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corn market. He lost $65 million. 65. On corn

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and lumber futures. He thought he'd developed

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a mathematical formula that could predict the

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markets. He was wrong. And the Bronfman's just

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wrote a check. They just wrote a check to cover

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it. But even more sinister than covering his

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gambling debts was how they funded his aggression.

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Their money paid for the private investigators

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who dug up dirt on enemies. Their money funded

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the endless lawsuits against journalists, whistleblowers,

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and former members. We see this with the group

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known as the NXIVM9. Yes, this was a group of

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high -ranking members, including Ranier's former

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girlfriend Barbara Boucher, who tried to leave

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in 2009. They saw the financial mismanagement

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and the ethical problems. And they were met with

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a firestorm of litigation funded by Bronfman

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money. It created this impenetrable fortress

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around Ranier. You couldn't touch him because

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he had a bottomless war chest to destroy you

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with. And then on top of the money, you add the

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celebrity veneer. The recruitment of Smallville

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stars. Mm -hmm. Kristen Kruk and, most notably,

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Allison Mack. This was a stroke of marketing

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genius, because if you're just a regular person

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in Vancouver or L .A. and you see the girl from

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Smallville who plays Chloe Sullivan, this wholesome

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girl next door character endorsing this program.

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Your skepticism just melts away. You think, well,

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if it's safe and legitimate enough for her, it

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must be safe for me. And Allison Mack wasn't

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just a celebrity spokesperson. She became a true

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believer, a zealot. The source material suggests

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she was looking for a mentor, for structure,

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for a higher purpose. And Ranier stepped right

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into that void. He made her feel like she was

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part of something that was going to change the

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world. Speaking of changing the world, we have

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to talk about the Dalai Lama incident. This is

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the moment where this simulation really, truly

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glitches. In 2009, Keith Ranier, the guy running

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this pyramid scheme sex cult, manages to get

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His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, to come to Albany,

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New York and share a stage with him. How on earth

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did that happen? Two things. Money and corruption.

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It cost them $2 million. $2 million to get him.

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$2 million. And it involved a very, very shady

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relationship with the Dalai Lama's gatekeeper

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at the time, a man named Lama Tenzin Dondon.

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His official title was Personal Emissary for

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Peace. A personal emissary for peace who, it

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seems, had a price. There were allegations of

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secret payments, of favors. The Dalai Lama did

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eventually come, though he initially canceled

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the visit after a lot of bad press and then mysteriously

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rescheduled it. But for Rainier, the photo op

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was all that mattered. It was the ultimate validation.

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He stood on a stage next to His Holiness the

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Dalai Lama. In the eyes of his followers, that

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was a divine endorsement. The message was clear.

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The Dalai Lama trusts Vanguard. So who are you,

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a lowly orange sash, to question him? So the

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trap is set. You have the intellectual trap with

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rational inquiry. You have the financial and

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legal fortress built by the Bronfman's. And you

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have the social proof provided by Hollywood celebrities

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and the Dalai Lama. The walls are closing in.

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But once you were deep inside, once you were

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in those inner circles, the temperature started

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to rise. And we really need to look at the specific

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methodology of control that was used. This is

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where we move from just unethical influence into

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what are clearly human rights abuses. The control

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became physiological. They started messing with

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the most basic biological needs of the members,

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sleep and food. Vanguard doesn't sleep much.

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That was the line, wasn't it? That was the party

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line. He claimed he had transcended the need

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for sleep, that he only needed two or three hours

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a night. So the inner circle, in an attempt to

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emulate his discipline, would try to do the same.

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Which is just a classic brainwashing technique.

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Of course. And then there was the food. Rainier

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had a very specific preference for extremely

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thin women, so he enforced these incredibly strict

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dietary restrictions on the women in his inner

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circle. We're talking radical, low -calorie diets.

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Five to 800 calories a day for years on end.

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When you are chronically sleep -deprived and

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literally starving, your prefrontal cortex, the

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part of your brain that handles critical thinking,

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logic, and resistance, it just shuts down. You

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become docile. and highly suggestible. Which

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brings us to the story of Dr. Brandon Porter.

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This is the part of the story that just reads

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like a screenplay for a horror movie. It really

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is. Brandon Porter was a licensed, board -certified

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physician who used his medical credentials to

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conduct horrific, unlicensed human experiments

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on NXIVM members, all under Rainier's direction.

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The so -called fright study. I read the descriptions

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of this from the trial testimony, and I felt

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physically ill. He would sit women down in a

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chair. hook them up to an EEG machine to monitor

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their brainwaves, and then, without warning,

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force them to watch violent graphic videos. Not

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just violent, we're talking about snuff films.

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Real videos of beheadings, women being dismembered,

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horrific sexual violence, and he's just sitting

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there taking notes, watching their brain activity

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light up. He claimed it was a study on visceral

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reactions. Let's call it what it was. It was

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desensitization training. It was trauma -based

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mind control. He was systematically breaking

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their boundaries. And that wasn't even his only

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study. There was the Tourette's study. Right.

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He claimed he could cure Tourette's syndrome

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using NXIVM's tech. He took people who actually

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had Tourette's, convinced them to go off their

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prescribed medication, and then subjected them

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to these intense, hours -long rational inquiry

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sessions. The participants later testified that

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it didn't work at all. It just made their mental

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health catastrophically worse. But the absolute

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crown jewel of his pseudo -scientific depravity

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has to be the Luciferian test. I still can't

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believe this was a real thing that he patented.

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He filed a patent, a United States patent for

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a device that could scientifically detect. luciferians

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and the test itself was so simple and so insidious

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a subject would be hooked up to a machine that

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measured their micro reactions they would be

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shown a video of an ice skater performing a beautiful

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flawless routine okay then at the very end of

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the routine the skater falls a hard painful fall

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the machine measures your reaction and if you

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showed any sign of pleasure or what Rainier's

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machine interpreted as pleasure at the skater's

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fall. We were labeled a Luciferian. Meaning you

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were, in essence, a demon. You are someone who

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derives pleasure from the pain and failure of

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others. No, just imagine the level of gaslighting

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that enables. You watch a video, you flinch,

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maybe you even gasp. And this godlike figure,

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Vanguard, looks at a printout from his machine

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and says, the data says you are evil. You have

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a Luciferian nature. But don't worry, I can fix

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you. It will just require years of absolute obedience

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and a lot more of your money. It's the ultimate

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retention tool. You are fundamentally broken

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and I am the only cure. It's terrifying. And

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all of this conditioning, this breaking down

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of the self, it paved the way for the darkest

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chapter of all, for DOS. DOS, the secret society

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within the secret society. It was formed around

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2015. And it stood for Dominus Obsequius Sororium.

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Which is just some badly mangled Latin that roughly

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translates to master over the slave woman. They

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didn't even try to hide it. They put the word

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slave right there in the name. But the women

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being recruited didn't know that name, did they?

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They weren't told that up front. No. Absolutely

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not. It was pitched to them as a secret sorority

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for the most elite, most dedicated women in NXIVM.

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One survivor called it a badass bitch boot camp.

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So it was about women's empowerment, ironically.

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It was sold as the ultimate form of women's empowerment,

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a way to conquer your weaknesses and become a

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force of nature. But to even be invited to hear

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the pitch for this group, you first had to provide

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collateral. And this is the lock on the cell

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door. The collateral. It had to be something

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that would ruin your life if it were ever released.

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For most women, the baseline was nude photos.

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But it escalated quickly from there. They were

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required to write video confessions to crimes

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they may or may not have even committed. Right.

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I stole money from my company. I abused a family

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member. Sometimes these were true secrets. Other

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times, the women were coerced into completely

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fabricating them just to have something damaging

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enough to hand over. And financial assets, too.

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Deeds to their parents' houses. Signing over

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power of attorney. Everything. And the threat

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was explicit and understood by everyone. If you

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ever leave this group, if you ever speak a word

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of this to anyone, we will release your collateral.

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It is blackmail institutionalized. Once they

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were in, they learned the structure. It was another

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pyramid. A pyramid within the pyramid. Renier,

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of course, was at the very top. He was the grandmaster.

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Below him were the first line masters, which

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included women like Allison Mack and Nancy Salzman's

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daughter, Lauren Salzman. And their job was to

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recruit their own slaves. Exactly. And those

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slaves were then required to recruit their slaves

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and so on down the line. And the life of a slave

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was one of total submission. They had to be on

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call 247 for their masters. They had to ask for

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permission to eat. The trial testimony included

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text messages. Master, may I have 100 calories?

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Master, may I sleep for four hours? They were

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forced to take cold showers, perform menial tasks,

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all as a way to strip them of their autonomy

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completely. And then came the branding. I think

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for the general public, this is the one detail

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that truly defines the horror of NXIVM, the brand.

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It was part of the initiation ceremony. The women

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would be summoned to a house in a suburb of Albany.

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They'd be told to undress. They were blindfolded.

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Then they were led one by one into a room where

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Dr. Danielle Roberts, another licensed physician,

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another licensed physician was waiting and other

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women from the group were there to hold them

00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:27.130
down. They were held down on a massage table

00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:29.950
by their own sisters. Yes. And Dr. Roberts would

00:24:29.950 --> 00:24:32.490
take a cauterizing pen. It's a surgical tool

00:24:32.490 --> 00:24:34.789
that uses heat to burn tissue to stop bleeding

00:24:34.789 --> 00:24:37.430
or remove warts. And she would carve a symbol

00:24:37.430 --> 00:24:39.849
into the skin of their pelvic region with no

00:24:39.849 --> 00:24:42.680
anesthesia. With no anesthesia, the testimony

00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.680
described women screaming in agony, the smell

00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.920
of burning flesh filling the room, and they were

00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.440
told, this is a sacred symbol, it represents

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:54.880
the elements, fire, water, earth. But it wasn't

00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.380
the elements. No, it was a carefully designed

00:24:57.380 --> 00:25:00.259
symbol. If you rotate it 90 degrees, you can

00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:02.759
clearly see letters embedded within the design.

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.119
K .A .R. Keith Allen Runyer and A .M. Allison

00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.279
Mack. He was literally branding his initials

00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.579
onto women like livestock. It is the ultimate

00:25:12.579 --> 00:25:15.180
act of ownership. You are not a person. You are

00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.619
my property. And while this was happening, they

00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:19.980
were forced to say, thank you, master. It turns

00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:22.960
the stomach. It's a level of calculated cruelty

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.380
that is just. It's hard to comprehend. And we

00:25:26.380 --> 00:25:29.180
can't ignore the explicit sexual component of

00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:31.940
all this. Because DOS wasn't just about discipline

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:34.319
and branding. It was a procurement pipeline for

00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.960
Rainier. That's right. The masters, like Alice

00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.859
and Mac, were instructed to assign seduction

00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:41.119
assignments to their slaves. They had to take

00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.880
and send explicit photos to Rainier. They were

00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.240
systematically roomed to become his sexual partners.

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.859
The story of the sisters from Monterrey, Mexico,

00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:52.279
is just particularly heartbreaking. He targeted

00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.589
an entire family. The three sisters. But one

00:25:56.589 --> 00:25:59.109
sister, who is known in court documents only

00:25:59.109 --> 00:26:02.329
as Daniela, suffered an almost unimaginable level

00:26:02.329 --> 00:26:05.069
of abuse. What happened to her? She developed

00:26:05.069 --> 00:26:07.730
romantic feelings for another man who was outside

00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:10.849
the group. When Ranier found out, he became enraged.

00:26:10.930 --> 00:26:13.809
He declared that she had committed a grave ethical

00:26:13.809 --> 00:26:16.410
breach. His jealousy is always reframed as an

00:26:16.410 --> 00:26:18.990
ethical issue. Always. And her punishment for

00:26:18.990 --> 00:26:21.829
this breach was confinement. She was locked in

00:26:21.829 --> 00:26:25.109
a room in her family's home for nearly two years.

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Two years. Two years. She was monitored by a

00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:30.390
camera. She had no contact with the outside world.

00:26:30.509 --> 00:26:33.410
Her family was complicit. It was, for all intents

00:26:33.410 --> 00:26:35.609
and purposes, kidnapping and false imprisonment.

00:26:35.710 --> 00:26:37.490
This is what I mean when I say this morphed from

00:26:37.490 --> 00:26:40.069
a weird self -help group into straight -up organized

00:26:40.069 --> 00:26:42.849
crime. This isn't cult stuff. This is racketeering.

00:26:42.990 --> 00:26:45.470
This is sex trafficking. This is forced labor.

00:26:45.819 --> 00:26:48.660
And yet somehow it remained hidden in plain sight.

00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:51.119
They were still holding executive success workshops

00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.160
down the street while this was happening. So

00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.759
the House of Cards is built. It's massive. It's

00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.599
terrifying. And it seems to be held together

00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.099
by this web of blackmail. How did it finally

00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:04.700
start to collapse? Because with that much collateral

00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:07.599
hanging over everyone's heads, it's amazing anyone

00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.640
ever talked. It took the apostates, as Ranier

00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.440
would call them, people who finally had enough

00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.180
and were willing to risk everything. And Sarah

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.420
Edmondson is really the key figure here. She

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:19.440
was a high -ranking member, a top recruiter in

00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.339
Vancouver. A true believer. And then she was

00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:26.259
invited into DOS. She got branded. And she said

00:27:26.259 --> 00:27:28.660
that something in that room, the smell of her

00:27:28.660 --> 00:27:31.660
own flesh burning, finally broke the spell. She

00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:33.680
looked at the scar on her body and she realized,

00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.039
this isn't empowerment. This is evil. And she

00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:38.890
did the unthinkable. She went to the New York

00:27:38.890 --> 00:27:41.789
Times. And she showed them the brand. That article,

00:27:41.809 --> 00:27:44.809
which ran in October 2017, was the nuclear detonation.

00:27:45.190 --> 00:27:48.029
Before that, a blogger named Frank Parleto had

00:27:48.029 --> 00:27:50.049
been raising the alarm. But the Times brought

00:27:50.049 --> 00:27:52.809
a level of credibility and the visual proof that

00:27:52.809 --> 00:27:55.369
was impossible to ignore. You couldn't deny the

00:27:55.369 --> 00:27:57.529
photograph of that brand. And we also have to

00:27:57.529 --> 00:27:59.819
give so much credit to Catherine Oxenberg. the

00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:01.839
actress from the show Dynasty. Her daughter,

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.660
India, was a slave in DOS. And Catherine didn't

00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:07.680
just sit back and wring her hands. She went on

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.799
a crusade. She became a mother bear. A total

00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.799
mother bear. She met with the FBI. She met with

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.400
prosecutors in New York. She used her celebrity

00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.720
status to keep a constant media spotlight on

00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.480
the story. She was relentless in fighting to

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.839
save her daughter. So the time story breaks.

00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.259
The FBI is now actively investigating. What does

00:28:26.259 --> 00:28:28.980
the genius, the vanguard, the fearless leader

00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:32.140
do? He runs. He flees to a luxury villa near

00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:34.299
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, with his most loyal

00:28:34.299 --> 00:28:36.900
female followers. He tries to run the cult by

00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.960
remote control from his hideout. But the law

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.119
finally caught up with him. March 2018. The arrest

00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.220
is almost cinematic. The Mexican federal police,

00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:48.359
working with the FBI, raid the villa. And where

00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.099
do they find the smartest man in the world? Cowering

00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:53.359
in a walk -in closet. Hiding behind a rack of

00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.759
clothes. It's just the perfect, pathetic end

00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.339
to the myth of Vanguard. When the money and the

00:28:58.339 --> 00:29:00.299
lawyers and the psychological tricks are all

00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:02.000
stripped away, he's just a frightened little

00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.650
man hiding in a closet. They extradite him back

00:29:04.650 --> 00:29:07.690
to New York. The trial, United States v. Keith

00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:10.490
Rainier, begins. And the charges were just a

00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:13.009
laundry list of federal crimes. Racketeering,

00:29:13.009 --> 00:29:16.170
sex trafficking, forced labor, wire fraud, possession

00:29:16.170 --> 00:29:19.430
of child sexual abuse material, the works. And

00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:22.980
his defense strategy was audacious. to say the

00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:25.019
least. It was incredible. They tried to argue

00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:26.920
that this was all just a consensual alternative

00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.200
lifestyle, that these were empowered adult women

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.519
who chose to be branded, who chose to be slaves

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.079
as a form of self -expression. They tried to

00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.380
frame Rainier as just a benevolent mentor who

00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:38.200
was helping them achieve their personal goals.

00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.400
I only branded you with my initials because you

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.079
begged me to. It's insane. But the jury wasn't

00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.200
buying it. They heard the testimony about the

00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.700
collateral. They heard about the fear, the coercion,

00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:50.160
the paper terrorism, and they understood you

00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.240
cannot legally consent to something. when there's

00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.740
a gun to your head, even if that gun is a folder

00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:57.000
full of life -ruining blackmail. The verdict

00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:02.099
came down on June 19th, 2019. Guilty on all counts.

00:30:02.299 --> 00:30:04.539
And the sentencing was a moment of real justice.

00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.380
The judge, Nicholas Grofus, clearly understood

00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:10.859
the depth of Rainier's depravity. He gave him

00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:13.819
120 years in prison. Effectively a life sentence.

00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:17.160
In his remarks, he called Rainier ruthless and

00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.779
a predator, and he specifically noted his complete

00:30:19.779 --> 00:30:22.819
and utter lack of remorse. Throughout the entire

00:30:22.819 --> 00:30:25.759
trial, Rainier sat there stone -faced, convinced

00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.400
he was the victim. And what happened to his lieutenants,

00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:31.500
the inner circle? They all fell one by one. Allison

00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:34.140
Mack pleaded guilty before the trial and cooperated

00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:37.079
with the prosecution. She provided crucial audio

00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.339
recordings of Ranier discussing the branding

00:30:39.339 --> 00:30:41.720
and the master -slave dynamic. She was sentenced

00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.920
to three years. And Claire Bronfman, the money?

00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.039
She got nearly seven years, a much harsher sentence

00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.599
than expected, largely because she showed no

00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.440
remorse and was seen as the primary enforcer.

00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.740
Nancy Saltzman got three and a half years. The

00:30:56.740 --> 00:30:59.900
entire top of the pyramid was dismantled. You

00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:01.900
would think that's the end of the story. The

00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:04.849
monster is in a cage. The victims are getting

00:31:04.849 --> 00:31:06.809
their collateral back. The judge ordered that,

00:31:06.890 --> 00:31:09.609
thank God. And he ordered restitution to pay

00:31:09.609 --> 00:31:12.210
for brain removal surgery. Right. But there's

00:31:12.210 --> 00:31:15.250
this one final haunting image from the aftermath

00:31:15.250 --> 00:31:17.910
of the trial that just sticks with me. The forgotten

00:31:17.910 --> 00:31:20.549
ones. This is the part that truly proves how

00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:23.650
deep the indoctrination goes. Even after the

00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:26.190
guilty verdict, even after the whole world knew

00:31:26.190 --> 00:31:28.829
about the sex slavery and the branding, a group

00:31:28.829 --> 00:31:31.569
of diehard loyalists remained. This included

00:31:31.569 --> 00:31:33.769
another actress, Nikki Klein from Battlestar

00:31:33.769 --> 00:31:35.769
Galactica. And they would go to the federal prison

00:31:35.769 --> 00:31:38.049
in Brooklyn where Ranier was being held. And

00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:40.569
they danced every single night. They would perform

00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:43.130
these bizarre choreographed dances on the sidewalk

00:31:43.130 --> 00:31:45.730
outside the detention center, hoping that Ranier

00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:48.160
could see them from his tiny cell window. They

00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.500
were dancing for the man who was convicted of

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:52.960
branding and enslaving their friends. In their

00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.180
minds, he wasn't a criminal. He was a political

00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:58.079
prisoner, a martyr. They had a whole narrative

00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.259
where he was being persecuted by a corrupt government

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:03.559
because his ideas were too powerful and too dangerous

00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.680
to the status quo. It's just it's tragic. It

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.490
shows that you can lock up the leader. But you

00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:12.529
can't so easily unlock the minds that he managed

00:32:12.529 --> 00:32:15.230
to capture. And he continues to try to exert

00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:17.309
control from prison. There have been reports

00:32:17.309 --> 00:32:19.809
of him using burner phones, of passing messages

00:32:19.809 --> 00:32:22.410
through other inmates. He's currently housed

00:32:22.410 --> 00:32:26.109
in USP Tucson, which is a maximum security facility

00:32:26.109 --> 00:32:28.609
for sex offenders. And I guarantee you he is

00:32:28.609 --> 00:32:30.849
trying to use rational inquiry on his cellmate

00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:34.390
as we speak. So let's zoom out. At the end of

00:32:34.390 --> 00:32:36.569
all this, what's the big takeaway? Why is it

00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:38.349
so important for us to understand the mechanics

00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:42.470
of how NXIVM operated? I think for me, it completely

00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:45.190
shatters that comfortable myth that intelligence

00:32:45.190 --> 00:32:47.910
protects you from manipulation. We all like to

00:32:47.910 --> 00:32:49.609
believe that if you're smart, you'll spot the

00:32:49.609 --> 00:32:52.650
con. NXIVM proves that if you're smart, you might

00:32:52.650 --> 00:32:55.009
just be better at creating complex rationalizations

00:32:55.009 --> 00:32:57.250
for why it's not a con. That's a great point.

00:32:57.329 --> 00:33:00.500
He targeted smart. Successful, ambitious people

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:02.920
for a reason. Exactly. They had more to give,

00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:05.740
more money, more credibility, more influence.

00:33:05.980 --> 00:33:08.920
And their brains were complex enough to get tangled

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.880
up in his bizarre logic puzzles and pseudoscientific

00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.680
frameworks. He weaponized their own desire to

00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.619
be good, to be ethical, to be disciplined. He

00:33:18.619 --> 00:33:20.359
told them, if you truly want to save the world,

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.619
you have to do this incredibly hard thing. You

00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:24.740
have to endure this pain for a higher purpose.

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.400
It's complete corruption of the hero's journey

00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.710
narrative. There's a quote from Rainier himself

00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:32.589
that I think sums up his entire worldview. He

00:33:32.589 --> 00:33:35.130
once wrote that his ultimate goal was to, and

00:33:35.130 --> 00:33:37.609
I'm quoting here, ethically control as much of

00:33:37.609 --> 00:33:39.589
the money, wealth, and resources of the world

00:33:39.589 --> 00:33:41.750
as possible. Ethically control. The irony is

00:33:41.750 --> 00:33:44.329
just suffocating. He failed at the world domination

00:33:44.329 --> 00:33:46.529
part, obviously. He's going to die in a concrete

00:33:46.529 --> 00:33:49.309
box. But when I think about those women dancing

00:33:49.309 --> 00:33:52.450
on a sidewalk outside a federal prison, it raises

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:55.190
a question that I really don't have an easy answer

00:33:55.190 --> 00:33:57.769
to. What's that? At what point does a belief

00:33:57.769 --> 00:34:00.490
system become so completely fused with your personal

00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:04.289
identity that facts no longer matter? If a cauterizing

00:34:04.289 --> 00:34:07.109
pen to your skin, a federal indictment filled

00:34:07.109 --> 00:34:10.170
with horrific evidence, and a 120 -year prison

00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:13.369
sentence don't wake you up, what possibly could?

00:34:13.590 --> 00:34:15.849
That is the terrifying question. And for some

00:34:15.849 --> 00:34:17.510
of them, I'm afraid the answer might be nothing.

00:34:17.730 --> 00:34:19.670
I think you're right. On that rather chilling

00:34:19.670 --> 00:34:21.570
note, we're going to wrap up. This has been a

00:34:21.570 --> 00:34:23.630
deep dive into the darkness and the mechanics

00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:28.039
of NXIVM. Stay critical, trust your gut, and

00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.699
remember it's not a parasite, and we will see

00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:31.219
you next time.
