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Okay, I want you to picture this for a second.

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You're walking down a narrow street in Tokyo.

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It's a Tuesday afternoon. Maybe you're just looking

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for a quiet spot to grab some ramen. The air

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is crisp. The city hum is pretty low. Right.

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You're in your own world. You're in your own

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world. And then slowly this truck rolls around

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the corner. It's covered in neon banners, but

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the visual isn't what hits you first. It's the

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sound. The sound trucks. I know exactly what

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you're talking about. The sound trucks. Yeah.

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Massive loudspeakers strapped to the roof, and

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they are just blasting political slogans or some

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ad jingle at a volume that, I mean, it literally

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vibrates your ribcage. It's an absolute sensory

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invasion. There's no escaping it. None. It just

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fills the entire street. It bounces off the concrete.

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You cannot ignore it. You can't even hear yourself

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think. And in that moment, your attention isn't

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something you're giving. It's being taken. It's

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being taken. It's aggressive. It's loud. And

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it is right in your face. And that's a really,

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a very visceral place to start. Because while

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most of us, you know, we're probably not dodging

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sound trucks in Tokyo today. Yeah. That feeling,

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that inability to shut out the noise, it's the

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perfect physical metaphor for what we're digging

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into. Because that truck isn't just annoying

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you, it's a thief. Right. And that's the key

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concept, attention theft. It sounds a little

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abstract until you realize you're carrying a

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miniature version of that sound truck in your

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pocket every single day. Which brings us to the

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mission for this deep dive. We have a massive

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stack of sources today. We're talking economic

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theory, some pretty heavy psychology studies,

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the history of information management, and even

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some Wikipedia dives on Internet culture. Yeah,

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it's a big pile. It is. And we are going to unpack

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the attention economy. It's a term that gets

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thrown around a lot, you know, at dinner parties

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or in tech articles. Oh, it's just the attention

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economy. Right. It's become a bit of a buzzword.

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It has. But when you actually dig into the source

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material, you realize it's not just a buzzword.

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It is a fundamental tectonic shift in how our

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world assigns value. That's what struck me most

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going through all of this. We usually think of

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economies as being about, you know, money or

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oil or labor. But in this framework, the currency.

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is us. It's our focus. Yeah. Our consciousness.

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Precisely. So if we really want to understand

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why we feel so overwhelmed all the time, why

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those free apps are actually costing us a fortune

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and how this model is reshaping everything from

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scientific research to social justice, we have

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to follow the money. Or in this case. Let's fall

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the eyes. Okay, let's unpack this. I want to

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start with the basics because the sources make

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a really interesting distinction right off the

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bat about what attention actually is. Because

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I think I know what it is. It's me looking at

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something. But the economic definition is it's

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a lot more specific. It is. If you look at the

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work of Matthew Crawford, he frames attention

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strictly as a resource. And the defining characteristic

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of any resource is that it's finite. Like oil

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or gold or time. Exactly. You do not have an

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infinite supply of focus. Davenport and Beck,

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who wrote one of the seminal books on this, they

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define it as focused mental engagement on a particular

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item of information. Okay. Focused mental engagement.

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But here's the kicker. They argue that attention

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is the necessary precursor to action. Which makes

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sense. I can't buy the shoes if I haven't seen

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the ad for the shoes. I can't vote for the candidate

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if I've never even heard their speech. Right.

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So in any marketplace, whoever controls the attention,

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they ultimately control the action. If you control

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the precursor, you have an incredible amount

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of influence over the outcome. But here's where

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the history just gets wild for me. I honestly

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assumed this whole attention economy thing was

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a product of, what, the iPhone era? Yeah, or

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the dot -com boom at the earliest. Right. But

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the sources, they took us back to 1971. Herber

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Day Simon. 1971. I mean, we are talking about

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a world of rotary phones and like three TV channels.

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What on earth could he have seen back then that

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predicts where we are right now? Simon was a

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Nobel laureate, a psychologist and an economist.

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And honestly, reading his work today, it feels

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like reading a prophecy. He saw the very, very

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beginning of the computer age, the first hints

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of the information explosion. And he wrote something

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that is basically the founding scripture of this

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entire field. He really did. I have the quote

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here. It's just it's fantastic. He said, in an

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information rich world, the wealth of information

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means a dearth of something else. A poverty of

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attention. A poverty of attention. A wealth of

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one thing creates a poverty of another. It's

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a seesaw. It's so elegant and it completely flips

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the historical script because for literally all

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of human history, the problem was the opposite.

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Exactly. If you were a scholar in, I don't know,

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1850 or a business owner in 1920, your biggest

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challenge was information scarcity. You couldn't

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find the data. You couldn't get the book from

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the other library. You didn't know the price

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of grain in the next town over. So naturally,

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we spent the last century building systems to

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solve that one problem. We built libraries, then

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the telegraph, then radio TV, and then, you know,

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the internet. We designed the entire world to

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flood us with information. And we succeeded.

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Man, did we succeed. We succeeded too well. We

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completely overshot the target. Simon's whole

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point was that we kept building systems to produce

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and distribute information, when we should have

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pitted it decades ago to building systems that

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filter information. And because we never made

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that pivot, we are now just we're drowning. We

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are all trying to drink from a fire hose because

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we designed a faucet that can never, ever be

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turned off. And that feeling, that sense of drowning

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is where the economics really kick in. And this

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leads us to the next big concept from the sources,

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this idea of mental capitalism. This was the

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part of the research that started to feel a little.

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a little dystopian to me. This idea from Michael

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Goldhaber and Georg Frank in the late 90s, they

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weren't just saying attention is important. They

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were saying it would actually replace money.

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In a sense, yeah. Goldhaber's prediction was

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that as we move deeper and deeper into this information

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age, transactions that involve attention would

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just grow much faster than purely financial transactions.

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And eventually, attention becomes the primary

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currency. For many sectors, yes. I mean, think

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about it. For a media company or a social media

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influencer or even a modern politician, income

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and attention often ranks higher in importance

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than immediate financial income. Because if you

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have the attention, you can always figure out

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a way to get the money later. But if you have

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all the money in the world and no one is paying

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attention to you... You're dead in the water.

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You don't exist. In this model, the eyeballs

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aren't just a step in the sales funnel anymore.

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They are the wallet. You're paying with your

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time and your focus. Which is a terrifying thought

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because I can always go out and make more money.

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I absolutely cannot make more time. And that

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brings us right to the biological mechanism.

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Because if attention is this finite, valuable

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resource, and everyone is trying to mine it.

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And they have to get very, very good at extraction.

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Extremely good. We have to talk about the brain.

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The sources get into the neuroscience of this,

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and it essentially describes this zero -sum game

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that's happening inside our own heads. It is

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absolutely a zero -sum game. This is a crucial

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concept to grasp. Your brain has a limited amount

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of metabolic energy and a limited amount of processing

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power at any given moment. So if I'm allocating

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cognitive resources to scrolling through Instagram...

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Then those are resources that are physically,

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biologically unavailable for anything else, for

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deep reading or for complex problem solving,

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or even just for being present and listening

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empathetically to your partner. It's like the

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RAM in a computer, right? If Chrome is eating

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up 90 % of it, every other program is going to

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lag and crash. That is the perfect analogy. And

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the tech companies, they know this. They know

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they're all competing for your limited mental

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RAM. So they have to utilize what... we call

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the dopamine loop. The notes referenced the social

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dilemma here, which I think a lot of people have

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probably seen. But can you break down the actual

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mechanism? How are they like hacking our brain

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chemistry? It all relies on the brain's basic

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reward system. Evolution wired us to seek out

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novelty. When our ancestors found a new berry

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bush or heard a new piece of gossip about a rival

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tribe, their brain gave them a little hit of

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dopamine. It feels good. It feels good. It's

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a little reward that encourages you to do that

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again. It's a survival mechanism. It was a survival

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mechanism. It was. Now it's a business model.

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Modern apps are engineered to trigger that novelty

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-seeking and positive feedback loop constantly.

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Every notification, every like, every single

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pull to refresh. Oh, the pull to refresh? That

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little animation? That is designed mechanically

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to resemble a slot machine lever. That split

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second of anticipation, what am I going to get?

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What's going to be there? That's what psychologists

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call variable ratio reinforcement. If you knew

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it was going to be there every time, You wouldn't

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pull. It's the unpredictability that spikes the

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dopamine. They are literally mining that chemical

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reaction to keep you on the platform longer.

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So they're mapping the geography of our brains

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and building a strip mine right on top of the

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pleasure center. That is a very apt, if slightly

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depressing, analogy. Yeah. And all of this creates

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a massive bottleneck in what traditional advertisers

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call the AI model. A -I -D -A. Okay, break that

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down for us. It's the classic marketing funnel.

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Attention, interest, desire, action. First, I

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have to get your attention. Then, I have to make

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you interested in what I'm selling. Then, you

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have to actually desire the product. And finally,

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you take action and buy it. Simple enough. Right.

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But in the old days, the main barrier was the

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cost of transmission. It was really expensive

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to buy a TV ad or a full -page magazine ad to

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get someone's attention. But no. Now, transmission

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is effectively free. The cost of sending an email

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or posting an ad online is basically zero. We're

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living in an era of what the sources call a super

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fluidity of information. The gates are just wide

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open. Wide open. But the human funnel, the ATI

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funnel, it hasn't changed. The bottleneck is

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jammed right at the very top. Attention. We haven't

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evolved bigger brains or more hours in the day

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in the last 50 years. Exactly. So the only real

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limit on the entire global economic system right

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now is your finite ability to look at things.

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Which explains why the tactics have to get more

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and more extreme. It's an arms race. If everyone

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in the room is screaming, you have to scream

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louder or weirder or more aggressively. And that

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arms race has casualties. This is where we really

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need to look at what the sources call the dark

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side. In economics, the technical term for this

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is negative externalities. I want to pause on

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that term negative externality because it comes

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up a few times in the source material. It's basically

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a side effect of a business that somebody else

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has to pay for, right? That's a perfect way to

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put it. The classic example is a factory. A factory

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produces steel, which is good, but it also produces

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smoke that pollutes the air and makes the neighbors

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sick. And the factory owner doesn't pay for the

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doctor bills. Exactly. The neighbors do. That

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sickness, that cost that's pushed onto a third

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party, that is the negative externality. So in

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the attention economy, the app is the factory.

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The engagement is the steel. What's the smoke?

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There are several different kinds of smoke, and

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they're all pretty toxic. The first and most

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obvious one is our mental health. We have seen

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a very clear data -backed link. In numerous studies

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between heavy social media using social media

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addiction, really, and soaring rates of depression,

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anxiety, and low self -esteem, particularly in

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younger users. Because the algorithm doesn't

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care how you feel. It just cares if you're looking.

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Precisely. The algorithm's only goal is to maximize

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engagement. Yeah. And unfortunately, from a purely

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mathematical standpoint, humans engage. very,

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very highly with things that make us feel inadequate

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or outraged or fearful. So if making me anxious

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keeps me scrolling for 10 more minutes. The algorithm

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will choose anxiety every single time. It's hopelessly

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efficient. That's chilling. The algorithm will

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choose anxiety. Then there's the second cloud

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of smoke, which is the data component. The whole

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surveillance capitalism model. To win the attention

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war. Companies need to know exactly what triggers

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you personally. So they collect everything. Your

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demographics, your location, how long you hover

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over a photo of your ex, where your political

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leanings are, everything. And then they sell

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that data. Or they use it to build a scarily

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accurate profile that allows advertisers to target

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you with surgical precision. This raises massive

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ethical concerns about privacy and consent, but

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it also fundamentally changes the information

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ecosystem itself. And that leads to the third

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cloud of smoke. Disinformation. The sources mentioned

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a study from the Hankin School of Economics on

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this, and it basically said that fake news isn't

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just an accident of the system. It's a feature

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of the economy. It is an economically rational

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outcome. Yeah. Just think about the incentives.

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If you are a publisher and you get paid an attention,

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what is more valuable to you? A nuanced, complex,

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maybe slightly boring truth or a shocking, emotional,

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simple lie? The lie. The lie always travels faster.

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Much, much faster. Novelty grabs attention. Outrage

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grabs attention. So the economy we've built effectively

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subsidizes disinformation. It makes lies more

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profitable than facts. truth versus lies in the

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abstract, one part of the research that really

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upset me was how this disproportionately impacts

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marginalized communities. It feels like the algorithm

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itself has a bias. It does, but it's a bias born

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of pure math, not malice. If you program a system

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with the single goal of maximize engagement,

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it will naturally, logically prioritize content

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that resonates with the largest possible demographic.

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Which is usually the dominant cultural identity.

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Exactly. So if you are a minority, voice or you're

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talking about a niche issue that's important

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but maybe doesn't appeal to the mainstream, the

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algorithm might just suppress you because you

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aren't efficient enough from a click's perspective.

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And we saw this with the reports from Black creators

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on TikTok. Yes. They've documented numerous instances

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of what they call shadow banning, where their

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content just mysteriously stops appearing in

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feeds, specifically when they post about topics

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like Black Lives Matter. So they're just shouting

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into a void. The system decides. that their message

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might cause friction or might not appeal to the

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broadest common denominator, so it just throttles

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it. If visibility is the currency of this economy,

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then these creators are being economically sanctioned

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by a machine. It hinders activism. It hinders

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awareness. You can't organize if you can't be

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heard. Exactly. There was one other negative

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externality in the notes that really caught me

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off guard. I just did not expect to see this

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in an economics discussion, and that's the corruption

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of science. Yes. The paper from Adrian Lenardic

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at Rice University. This is a fascinating and

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pretty recent piece from 2022. I usually think

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of scientists as being sort of immune to all

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this. You know, they're in the lab, they're doing

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the work. They aren't trying to be influencers.

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Well, they still operate in the real world and

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they still need to secure funding. And Lenardic's

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argument is that science itself has started to

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succumb to the attention economy. The very metrics

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for academic success are shifting. It used to

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be all about the long -term impact of your published

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research. Now, scientists are literally listing

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their media exposure counts on their resumes.

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You're kidding. I was quoted in the New York

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Times three times this year. That's a line item.

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That's a line item. PhD candidates are tracking

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their Twitter engagement on their latest paper.

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And the danger here is that this creates a really

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perverse incentive. If you want to get ahead.

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you might be tempted to release results that

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are flashy or shocking before they've been fully

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peer -reviewed or replicated. So we get bad science,

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or at least premature science, just because it

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goes viral. Or we get science by press release.

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And the bigger danger is that if the funding

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always follows the attention, then the research

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into unsexy, slow, complicated problems, which

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are often the most important ones, that research

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gets defunded in favor of whatever can generate

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the headline. OK, so we've painted a pretty bleak

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picture here. I mean, we're addicted. We're being

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spied on. We're being fed lies. And now even

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the scientists are starting to click bait us.

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It's it's a lot. It is. But I want to pivot now

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to section four of our outline, because there

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is a paradox here that we need to address. We're

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paying with our attention for all of this because

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the actual stuff, the content itself is mostly

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free. Right. This is the flip side of the coin.

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If I can get basically any song, any movie, any

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article for free, either legally or illegally,

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why do we still pay for anything? This is where

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Kevin Kelly's analysis from back in 2008 comes

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in. And it's just brilliant. He asks a very simple

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question. In a world where reproduction costs

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zero, what is left to buy? And his answer is

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what he calls the intangibles. Exactly. things

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that cannot be copied. If the digital file itself

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is free and abundant, you have to sell something

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else that wraps around the file. Let's run through

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these because I think a lot of listeners will

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recognize their own spending habits here. I know

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I definitely did. The first one on his list is

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immediacy. Immediacy is the premium you pay for

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time. You can probably get the new blockbuster

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movie for free on a pirate site eventually. Right,

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in a few weeks or months. But you pay $20 to

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see it in the theater on opening night. Why?

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Because you want it now. You are paying for priority

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access. I do this with books all the time. I

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could wait for the paperback or wait for it to

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come to the library, but no, I buy the hardback

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the day it drops because I can't wait. That's

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immediacy. Okay, number two is personalization.

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A generic medical article on WebMD is free. A

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diagnosis of your specific symptoms by a real

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doctor costs a lot of money. You can't copy personalization

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because, by definition, it only fits one person.

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The value isn't the raw information. It's the

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tailoring of that information directly to you.

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That makes perfect sense. Okay, number three

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is interpretation. This one is huge in the tech

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world. A piece of software like Red Hat Linux

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is technically free. The source code is open

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to everyone. But big companies will pay millions

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of dollars for the support contract. They're

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paying for the manual. They're paying for the

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manual and the guide. They pay for the experts

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who can explain how you use it. how to customize

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it, and how to fix it when it inevitably breaks.

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You're not buying the product. You're buying

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the expertise to make it work. Okay, next up,

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authenticity. This is the entire market for collectibles

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or art or NFTs. You can copy a JPEG a million

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times for free. You can print a perfect copy

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of the Mona Lisa. But you can't copy the originality.

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People will pay a huge premium for the assurance

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that this is the real deal. Signed by the artist.

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Bug free and genuine. Accessibility. This is

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probably my biggest. Oh, yeah. This is all about

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convenience. I could torn a movie for free, but

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then I have to find a good cedar, worry about

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getting a virus, maybe convert the file format.

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It's a whole process. It's a hassle. It's a huge

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hassle. Or I can pay Netflix $15 a month and

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just click one button. I am 100 % paying for

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the button. I am paying to not have to think

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about it. That's it. You are paying for the absence

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of friction. Okay, next. This is about the physical

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manifestation of something digital. The MP3 of

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the song is free, but the concert ticket is $200.

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The experience of being there? The experience,

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or the text of the book is free online, but the

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leather -bound special edition copy feels good

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in your hands and looks good on your shelf. We're

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biological creatures. We still value physical

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objects and real -world experiences. For sure.

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All right, what about patronage? This is the

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whole Patreon model. This is, as Kelly puts it,

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paying simply because it feels good. I do this.

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I support a few podcasters and YouTubers. I don't

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even really use the extra content they offer.

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I just, I want them to keep existing. I want

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to support their work. It's a relationship. It's

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not a transaction for a good. It's a signal of

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support for the creator. And the last one on

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the list, findability. And this brings us right

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back full circle to Herbert Simon. When there

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are millions of books, millions of songs, millions

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of movies, the hardest thing isn't making one

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more. It's finding the good ones. The filter

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is the valuable thing. The filter is everything.

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If you are a trusted curator or an aggregator

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or a critic that helps me filter through all

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that noise and find the one thing I'll love,

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I will absolutely pay you for that service. So

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the value has shifted from the content itself

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to the context that surrounds it. In an attention

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economy, context is king. The stuff is cheap.

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The filter is expensive. But speaking of filters,

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sometimes the filter gets completely clogged.

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We need to talk about Section 5 of the outline,

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information pollution, because not all information

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is just content. Some of it is just garbage.

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Spam. Spam, yeah. The source material uses this

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analogy of spam as pollution, and I really like

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it. It completely reframes how you think about

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the annoyance. It's a very helpful economic framework.

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If we agree to treat attention as a clean, valuable

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resource like fresh air or clean water, then

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spam and intrusive ads are basically smog. They

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impose a burden on the breather. Exactly. The

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burden is on you, the recipient. So when I spend

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10 minutes every single morning deleting junk

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emails from my inbox, that's me coughing on the

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digital smog. That's you coughing on the smog.

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And the economics of spam explain exactly why

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there's so much of it out there. Why do spammers

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send it? Because it is incredibly, unbelievably

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cheap to produce and distribute. The sources

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mention the conversion rates, and they're just,

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they're tiny. Infinitesimal, like .001 % or even

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less. But here's the math. If it costs me $5

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to send 10 million emails, and just one of those

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people buys my fake Rolex for $50. You've made

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a massive profit. The math works perfectly for

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the spammer. It works perfectly. But the cost

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of that transaction is distributed to everyone

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else. The Internet service providers have to

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process all adjunct data, and all 10 million

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recipients have to waste their time and attention

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deleting it. It's a classic tragedy of the commons.

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A perfect example. So how do we clean up the

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pollution? The outline brings up the Coase theorem,

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which sounds very serious and academic. Ronald

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Coase was a Nobel Prize winner in economics,

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and he looked at exactly these kinds of social

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costs. He argued that... You can manage these

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externalities by clearly defining property rights.

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So, if you define who owns the air, you can start

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charging people for polluting it. That's the

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core idea. Okay, so how do we apply that to my

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email inbox? Well, there are some really fascinating

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theoretical solutions that have been proposed.

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One is called the sender bond. A sender bond?

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How would that work? Okay, imagine if every time

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you sent an email to a stranger, someone not

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in your contacts, the system required you...

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to post a very small bond say five cents all

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right five cents goes into escrow exactly if

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the person who gets your email opens it and hits

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reply or marks it not spam you get your nickel

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back instantly no cost to you but but if they

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mark it as spam you forfeit the nickel The recipient

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might even get to keep it as a tiny compensation

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for their wasted time. Oh, I love that. That's

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genius. So if I'm a legitimate business emailing

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a new client or I'm emailing my grandma for the

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first time, I don't care. I'm happy to put up

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the nickel because I know they want to hear from

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me. I'll get it right back. But if you're a spammer

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trying to send 10 million unsolicited emails,

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you would lose $500 ,000 in 10 seconds. You would

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go bankrupt. Immediately. Right. It completely

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destroys the economic model of spam by forcing

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the sender, the polluter, to actually take on

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the financial risk of their actions. Why haven't

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we done this? This sounds like the best idea

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I've ever heard. It's technically very difficult

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to implement across the entire decentralized

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Internet, but the economic logic is absolutely

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sound. And there's another version of this idea

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called interrupt rights. Which is what it sounds

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like. Pretty much. Literally selling the right

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to demand someone's attention. Imagine if your

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phone had a sort of a digital gatekeeper. If

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a telemarketer wants to make your phone ring,

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they have to pay a fee to get through. A tollbooth

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for my brain. A tollbooth for your brain. Yeah.

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And the really cool part is that the price could

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be dynamic. The notes really dive into this.

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If you're a Fortune 500 CEO, maybe your interrupt

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price is set at $500 a minute. But if you're

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a student, maybe it's 50 cents. Right. And you

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could change it based on your situation. During

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the holidays or when you're on a tight deadline

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at work, you crank your price up to $100. The

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message is, do not disturb me unless it's really

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worth $100. And then in the summer when you're

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bored, you can lower it. You lower it to $1?

00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:51.430
Sure, pitch me something. I can just imagine

00:24:51.430 --> 00:24:53.390
my friends getting a bill because they sent me

00:24:53.390 --> 00:24:55.589
a meme at 2 o 'clock on a Tuesday. Sorry, that

00:24:55.589 --> 00:24:58.670
meme just cost you $5. Well, presumably you'd

00:24:58.670 --> 00:25:01.769
whitelist your friends and family. But for advertisers

00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:04.250
and strangers, it forces them to do the math.

00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.299
Is this ad really worth pitching $2 to show to

00:25:08.299 --> 00:25:11.380
this specific person at this specific time? If

00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:14.079
the answer is no, they don't show it. The smog

00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.039
clears. It fundamentally reassigns the property

00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.440
rights. It says, I own my focus, and if you want

00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:22.559
to enter my property, you have to pay the entrance

00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.319
fee. That is the dream of the attention bond

00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.559
or the interrupt right. It's about realigning

00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.000
the economic incentives to protect the individual.

00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.579
But right now, we obviously don't have that.

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We are living in the Wild West. And in the Wild

00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.420
West, people cheat. Which brings us to section

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six, the search engine war. Right. If attention

00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:44.380
is the most valuable commodity and Google is

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the main gatekeeper of attention on the Internet.

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Then ranking high on Google is like owning beachfront

00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.559
property in Malibu. And everyone wants to steal

00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.039
that property. This is the world of SEO search

00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.299
engine optimization. But more specifically, the

00:25:59.299 --> 00:26:02.240
gray market. We're talking about things like

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.720
link farming. Right. Link farming, reciprocal

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.680
linking, keyword stuffing, private blog networks.

00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.640
I mean, the list of tactics goes on and on. It's

00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.460
all about tricking the search algorithm into

00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:14.680
thinking a particular website is more important

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or authoritative than it actually is. It's an

00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:19.720
endless game of cat and mouse. Completely. Google

00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:21.799
updates its algorithm to catch the spammers,

00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.319
and the spammers invent a new trick to get around

00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.150
the update. It never stops. There was a specific

00:26:27.150 --> 00:26:29.109
and kind of famous example in the notes about

00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:31.829
Google bombs. This was a huge deal a few years

00:26:31.829 --> 00:26:35.329
ago. It was. A Google bomb is essentially when

00:26:35.329 --> 00:26:38.250
a large group of people on the Internet conspires

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to all link a specific, often derogatory phrase,

00:26:42.289 --> 00:26:45.309
to a specific website. Usually for political

00:26:45.309 --> 00:26:47.990
reasons. Like linking the words miserable failure

00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:50.890
to a specific politician's official biography.

00:26:51.470 --> 00:26:54.289
Exactly. And when enough people do it, the algorithm,

00:26:54.470 --> 00:26:56.750
which is just following the math, says, oh, wow,

00:26:56.869 --> 00:26:59.089
thousands of websites are saying that this page

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is the authority on miserable failure. And so

00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:03.809
it ranks at number one for that search term.

00:27:03.890 --> 00:27:06.509
It's a form of digital protest, really. But it

00:27:06.509 --> 00:27:08.630
forces the search engines into a really, really

00:27:08.630 --> 00:27:11.309
awkward position. It makes them judges. They

00:27:11.309 --> 00:27:14.420
have to decide, is this spam? Or is it protected

00:27:14.420 --> 00:27:17.400
political expression? If Google goes in and manually

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.839
fixes the result, they're admitting to the world

00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.980
that they edit their supposedly objective results.

00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:23.759
But if they leave it up, their product looks

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.420
broken and biased. It just shows how fragile

00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:28.700
these automated systems are. They're built on

00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:31.359
the assumption that links equal trust. But links

00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.539
can be weaponized. And on the user side of this

00:27:34.539 --> 00:27:36.740
war, we're developing our own defenses, too.

00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.660
We have what the sources call ad fatigue. Oh,

00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.559
absolutely. I know I have this. My brain has

00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.359
just been trained to automatically ignore the

00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.539
top three results on any search page because

00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:50.299
I know they're sponsored ads. I don't even consciously

00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:52.559
see them anymore. It's like a blind spot. That

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.279
is a real measurable biological adaptation. Our

00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.019
brains are learning to tune out the signals that

00:27:59.019 --> 00:28:02.420
we've identified as commercial or inauthentic.

00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:04.400
But that just makes the advertisers more desperate.

00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.490
Of course. They see you ignoring the banner ads,

00:28:07.670 --> 00:28:10.450
so they pivot to native advertising. That looks

00:28:10.450 --> 00:28:13.529
like a real article. Or they start using AI to

00:28:13.529 --> 00:28:15.970
track you across all your devices to find that

00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:18.230
one moment of weakness when you're most likely

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:21.349
to click. You're ignoring us. Fine. We'll just

00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:23.490
get smarter and more invasive at finding you.

00:28:23.630 --> 00:28:25.329
It just goes right back to that same arms race.

00:28:25.509 --> 00:28:28.309
The more we defend our attention, the more sophisticated

00:28:28.309 --> 00:28:30.549
the weapons of attention theft become. Okay,

00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.630
before we wrap this all up, we have to talk about

00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:36.230
the final section, section seven. So far, we've

00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:38.390
kind of blamed the tech companies, the spammers,

00:28:38.490 --> 00:28:41.569
the advertisers. But there's another culprit

00:28:41.569 --> 00:28:45.490
in the attention economy. Us. It's us. We're

00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:47.430
doing it to each other. We are both the consumer

00:28:47.430 --> 00:28:50.230
and the producer of the noise. We have to talk

00:28:50.230 --> 00:28:52.529
about social interaction overload. This is that

00:28:52.529 --> 00:28:55.910
feeling of complete exhaustion from just maintaining

00:28:55.910 --> 00:28:58.630
digital relationships. Think about the scale

00:28:58.630 --> 00:29:02.099
of it. In, say, 1990. You might have kept up

00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:04.400
with maybe 20 or 30 close friends and family.

00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.099
You talk on the phone occasionally, send a letter.

00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:10.240
That was it. Now, you might have 500 friends

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.039
on Facebook, 200 followers on Instagram, a professional

00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:16.960
network on LinkedIn, and five hyperactive WhatsApp

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.559
group chats, all demanding your input. Every

00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.880
single one of those connections is a potential

00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.200
demand on my finite attention. Every happy birthday

00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.579
wall post, every comment you feel obligated to

00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:31.279
like, every photo you're tagged in. The researchers

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.839
call these social solicitations. They're like

00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.119
these tiny accumulating micro debts. When someone

00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:39.140
comments on your photo, you feel a social obligation

00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:41.380
to comment back on theirs. It feels like work.

00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:43.619
After a while, it genuinely feels like a job.

00:29:43.779 --> 00:29:46.819
Because it is work. It is cognitive labor. We

00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:49.559
are overwhelming each other with constant low

00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.180
-grade demands for attention because the platforms

00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:54.420
have made it frictionless to demand it. And then

00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:55.880
there's the concept of collective attention,

00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:59.000
the wave. The viral cycle. Yeah. We can actually

00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.660
measure this now with data. A topic, whether

00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:03.640
it's a dress that changes color, a celebrity

00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.859
slap at an award show, a silly meme, it just

00:30:06.859 --> 00:30:09.980
spikes. The entire world, it feels like, looks

00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.019
at this one thing at the exact same time. And

00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:15.259
then, poof. It's gone. And the decay rate is

00:30:15.259 --> 00:30:17.539
getting faster and faster. The sensation of the

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:20.099
moment used to last for a news cycle, maybe a

00:30:20.099 --> 00:30:23.279
week. Now it lasts for maybe six hours. Why do

00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.339
you think that is? It's that super fluidity of

00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:27.660
information again. There's always the next wave,

00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.220
the next shiny object pushing up right behind

00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:32.079
the current one. We don't have time to process

00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.200
or dwell on anything because the next thing is

00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.119
already screaming for our focus. So after all

00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.359
of this. Where does this leave us? We've traveled

00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.440
from Herbert Simon in 1971 predicting this poverty

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.299
of attention, through the dopamine labs of Silicon

00:30:46.299 --> 00:30:48.579
Valley, through the pollution of our inboxes,

00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:51.460
and right into our own exhausted brains. It's

00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:53.440
a heavy realization to sit with. We build an

00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.599
entire global economy on the extraction and resale

00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.240
of human consciousness. It is the fuel that runs

00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.910
the modern internet. And we are seeing the costs

00:31:01.910 --> 00:31:05.089
all around us. Addiction, surveillance, political

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:07.930
polarization, bad science, and just a general

00:31:07.930 --> 00:31:11.009
pervasive loss of individual and collective focus.

00:31:11.289 --> 00:31:13.990
It really feels like we're the frogs in the slowly

00:31:13.990 --> 00:31:16.569
boiling water. The water is bubbling and we're

00:31:16.569 --> 00:31:18.490
just sitting here scrolling. But understanding

00:31:18.490 --> 00:31:20.589
the mechanism is the first step to taking back

00:31:20.589 --> 00:31:22.960
control. We've talked about some of the big theoretical

00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.460
fixes like interop rights. We've talked about

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:27.640
the importance of finding good filters. But those

00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.700
systemic fixes aren't here yet. I can't start

00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.900
charging spammers a nickel for their emails tomorrow

00:31:31.900 --> 00:31:34.839
morning. No, you can't. So for right now, today,

00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:38.660
the real so what of all this is this. Critical

00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:41.900
thinking is your only real defense. You have

00:31:41.900 --> 00:31:44.720
to actively recognize when your attention is

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.069
being thefted. versus when you were giving it

00:31:47.069 --> 00:31:49.069
willingly and consciously. You have to become

00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:51.109
the bouncer at the door of your own mind. That's

00:31:51.109 --> 00:31:53.529
a great way to put it. Precisely. You have to

00:31:53.529 --> 00:31:55.549
start treating your attention like you treat

00:31:55.549 --> 00:31:57.750
the money in your wallet. You wouldn't just walk

00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:00.130
down the street throwing dollar bills out the

00:32:00.130 --> 00:32:02.049
window at every loud truck that drives by. I

00:32:02.049 --> 00:32:04.569
definitely would not. So why do we throw our

00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:08.009
focus, which is arguably more valuable, at every

00:32:08.009 --> 00:32:11.230
single notification that buzzes? Why do we let

00:32:11.230 --> 00:32:13.910
that sound truck park itself inside our brain

00:32:13.910 --> 00:32:16.890
for hours on end? That's the challenge. The notes

00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:19.170
did mention this concept of the intention economy

00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:21.910
as sort of the counter idea, the utopia. Yeah,

00:32:21.970 --> 00:32:24.130
it's a hypothetical future where the power dynamic

00:32:24.130 --> 00:32:26.710
is flipped. The buyer notifies the market of

00:32:26.710 --> 00:32:28.869
what they want. I intend to buy a new car in

00:32:28.869 --> 00:32:31.029
the next three months. And the market responds

00:32:31.029 --> 00:32:33.029
to them with relevant offers. Instead of the

00:32:33.029 --> 00:32:34.589
market just yelling at everyone all the time,

00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:37.029
hoping someone somewhere wants a car. It sounds

00:32:37.029 --> 00:32:39.460
peaceful, doesn't it? Sounds very peaceful. a

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:42.420
hopeful concept. But until we get there, we are

00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:45.339
stuck here living in the attention economy. So

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:47.279
here is the question we want to leave you with

00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.160
today. If your attention really is a currency,

00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.319
are you actively spending it or is it just being

00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.339
stolen from your wallet while you aren't looking?

00:32:55.539 --> 00:32:57.460
And here's a fun little thought experiment to

00:32:57.460 --> 00:33:01.180
go with that. If you could charge just one single

00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:03.779
dollar for every non -essential notification

00:33:03.779 --> 00:33:07.329
that interrupts you today. How rich would you

00:33:07.329 --> 00:33:10.049
be by dinnertime? I'd certainly be able to afford

00:33:10.049 --> 00:33:12.630
a very nice lunch, maybe even that bowl of ramen

00:33:12.630 --> 00:33:14.430
from the intro. I think I could probably retire.

00:33:14.750 --> 00:33:16.829
Thanks for diving in with us. Keep your wallet

00:33:16.829 --> 00:33:19.630
close and your attention even closer. See you

00:33:19.630 --> 00:33:19.990
next time.
