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You know, there's a phrase the Swedish Academy

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used when they handed out the Nobel Prize in

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literature back in 2001. They talked about incorruptible

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scrutiny. It's a powerful phrase. It sounds almost

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heroic, doesn't it? Like a kind of superpower.

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It really does. It sounds like x -ray vision

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for the soul or for society. But today we're

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looking at a man who, well... who arguably turned

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that superpower into a weapon. We're talking

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about Sir V .S. Naipaul. Exactly. And the deeper

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you go into the sources, and we have a lot of

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them, the biographies, the critical essays, his

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own wife's personal diaries, the more you realize

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that this scrutiny, it wasn't just about writing

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beautiful sentences. No, it was about dismantling

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things, dismantling people, places, entire cultures.

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Including his own. And that right there is the

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heart of the tension we're going to explore in

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this deep dive. It's a massive paradox, isn't

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it? A huge one. On one hand, you have this absolute

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titan of English literature. I mean, the accolades

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are staggering. Knighted by the Queen in 1990,

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Booker Prize in 71, the Nobel in 01. A man who

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wrote prose so clean, so precise, it's just intimidating.

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But on the other hand. On the other hand, you

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have a man who is described famously as a witness

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for the Western prosecution, a figure just hammered

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with accusations of racism, misogyny, incredible

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cruelty in his personal life, and what seems

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to be a shocking lack of empathy. And our mission

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today is to try and figure out how those two

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things can possibly coexist in one human being.

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We've got a huge stack of materials here. There's

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Patrick French's authorized biography, The World

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is What It Is, which is just incredibly revealing.

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Almost uncomfortably so. Deeply uncomfortable.

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Then you have the critical takedowns from intellectuals

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like Edward Said and Robert Harris. And, of course,

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the intimate, absolutely heartbreaking diaries

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of his first wife, Patricia Hale. And the books

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themselves were trying to map what Naipaul himself

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called the topography of the void. That's the

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key concept, the void. Naipaul was obsessed with

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societies that he felt had been hollowed out

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by history, by colonialism. But to understand

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why he saw voids where other people saw home,

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you have to understand where he came from. So

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let's start at the very beginning. Let's go to

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that void before he tried to fill it with words.

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We need to go to a small... sugar plantation

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town in Trinidad in the early 1930s. Chaguanas.

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This is where Vidya Harsaraj Prasad Naipaul is

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born, August 17, 1932. And if you look at the

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history of that place at that time, Naipaul is

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part of a very specific and very traumatic slice

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of the British Empire's history. He's a descendant

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of indentured laborers. Yes. Can we just pause

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on that term, indentured laborers? I think a

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lot of people hear that and they either gloss

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over it or they just think immigrant workers.

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But the context is much, much darker and more

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specific to the machinery of empire. So much

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darker. This was the system the British Empire

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pivoted to. after they abolished slavery in the

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1830s. The sugar plantations, especially in the

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Caribbean, they still needed bodies. They needed

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cheap labor to cut the cane, but they couldn't

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legally use slaves anymore. So they looked east.

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They looked to India, specifically to regions

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that were being devastated by things like the

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Great Famine of 1876, and they would sign people

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up for these five -year contracts. It was basically

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a desperate trade. You escape starvation in India

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to do this back -breaking labor halfway across

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the world. That's precisely it. Naipaul's grandfathers,

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from both sides of his family, came over on those

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ships in the 1880s and 90s. So he's born into

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this displaced community. They're culturally

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Indian, specifically Hindu Brahmins, but they're

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geographically stranded in the West Indies. And

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you mentioned they were Brahmins. Now that's

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the high caste, the priestly caste, right? Theoretically,

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yes. In the Hindu caste system, Brahmins are

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the priests, the scholars. They're at the top

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of the spiritual hierarchy. But here's the irony.

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And it's an irony that I think haunted Naipaul

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his entire life. In a muddy plantation town in

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Trinidad, that status means nothing. It's invisible

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to the outside world. To the colonial overseers,

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they're just... Laborers. Exactly. They were

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just another group of workers. They're living

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in what Naipaul later described as a destitute

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society. The sources describe this really vivid

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sensory transition happening during his childhood.

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It feels like you're watching a culture just

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dissolve in real time. The indiness is fading.

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It's the created self emerging from the ruins

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of the old world. You can see it in the physical

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environment. They go from living in traditional

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mud huts with earthen walls to, you know. Timber

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houses on stilts, you see it in the diet. Right.

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They were historically vegetarian Hindus. And

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suddenly they're eating chicken and fish because

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that's what was available and it's what the surrounding

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Creole culture ate. The old rules were breaking

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down. On the clothes, too. That's a huge signal.

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Massive signal. The men start wearing Western

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trousers. The women start wearing heels and belts

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with their saris, which creates this sort of

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hybrid fashion. But the biggest shift, the one

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that really defines Naipaul's entire career.

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is language. Hindi is disappearing. It's evaporating.

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English is taking over completely. And right

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in the middle of this cultural slipstream is

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Naipaul's father, Seepersad Naipaul. He feels

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like the most important character in the first

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act of this story. He's the one who sets the

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whole trajectory. He absolutely is. Seepersad

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is the seed of everything. He was a journalist

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for the Trinidad Guardian. which was a very rare

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achievement for an Indian in that era. But he

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didn't just want to report the news. He revered

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the writing life as this almost holy vocation.

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He worshipped literature. There's a detail in

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the biography I love, but it's also kind of sad.

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It says they lived in an ordered fantasy world.

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It's deeply sad. To survive the reality of this

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plantation town, they built a fortress out of

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books. Seepersad would read to his son. V .S.

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or Vito, as he was called, from Nicholas Nickleby

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and Julius Caesar. They were looking at their

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muddy, tropical world through the lens of high

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European literature. So you have this young boy.

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He's the eldest son. He technically has all these

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traditional Hindu duties. He's supposed to be

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performing the rituals, being the good Brahmin

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boy. But his dad is training him to be a Victorian

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gentleman writer. It's an incredible contradiction.

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It must have created a total split personality.

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Seepersad basically transferred all of his own

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thwarted literary ambition onto his son. He looked

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at Vito and said, you will do what I couldn't.

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He essentially drafted his son into a war for

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literary recognition. And the main weapon in

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that war was education. Yeah. Specifically, a

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school called Queen's Royal College. QRC. And

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it was modeled strictly on a British public school.

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The curriculum was all about... Metropolitan

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values, standard English, Latin, French. It was

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an education designed to make you British, even

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if you were thousands of miles away from Britain.

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And the goal of every bright boy at QRC was singular,

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right? The island scholarship. That was the golden

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ticket. Literally a ticket out. It was the escape

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hatch. Yeah. If you won, the government paid

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for you to study anywhere in the British Commonwealth.

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It was the only way out of the sugar economy.

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And I, Paul, of course, he wins it. And he doesn't

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choose something sensible like medicine or law,

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which you'd think a family trying to lift themselves

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out of poverty would push for. No, he chooses

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Oxford, specifically University College. And

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he's very explicit about why. He wrote later

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that he chose Oxford in order at last to write.

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He wasn't going for a degree. He was going for

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an identity. There's that anecdote from right

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before he leaves in 1950 that I found really.

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It's touching, but it's also kind of terrifying

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in terms of the pressure he was putting on himself.

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The pencil? The copying pencil. It's such a perfect

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writerly detail. Yeah. He goes to a shop in Port

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of Spain and buys a pad of paper and a copying

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pencil. And he notes that he bought them because,

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in his mind, I was traveling to become a writer

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and I had to start. He's 18 years old and he

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believes that buying the stationery makes the

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identity real. He's willing the writer into existence.

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Completely. It's an act of faith. So he gets

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on the boat. He travels across the Atlantic.

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He gets to Oxford, the intellectual center of

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the universe. You think, OK, cue the montage

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of success. He's finally made it. And it was

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the complete opposite. The sources paint a picture

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of just profound disillusionment. It was closer

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to a horror movie for him. Really? A horror movie?

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How so? Well, he lands in 1950. And socially,

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he's a ghost. He is totally isolated. He's poor.

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He's on a scholarship. He doesn't have the right

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clothes or the right accent. He feels like a

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complete stranger in England. But he also knows

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he doesn't fit in back in Trinidad anymore. He's

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in limbo. Exactly. He's caught between two worlds

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and at home in neither. And the writing, the

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whole reason he went there. It was a disaster.

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It just wasn't working. He felt everything he

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wrote was contrived. He couldn't find his voice

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because he was trying to write like a proper

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English gentleman, which he wasn't. And about

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a year in, he just spirals into what he later

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called a mental illness. I read he blew all his

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money on a trip to Spain. That seems impulsive.

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Every last penny. In 1952, it was totally impulsive,

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completely irrational. He called it a nervous

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breakdown. He spent his entire savings just to

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get away from Oxford, to get away from the failure.

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It was basically a cry for help. But in the middle

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of this breakdown, he finds an anchor, Patricia

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Hale. Pat Hale. She was a history student, and

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they met at a college play. And she becomes...

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Well, she becomes everything to him. She's his

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emotional support. She's his career planner.

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She's his first reader, his editor. But it wasn't

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some kind of fairytale romance. Oh, not at all.

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Her family was openly hostile because he was

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Indian. His family was, let's say, unenthusiastic

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because she was white. But she stood by him.

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She was the one who saw the genius when nobody

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else did, when even he didn't. And then, just

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as they're graduating in 1953, the hammer drops.

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His father dies. This is a pivotal trauma. Sieper

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said the man who built that whole fantasy world

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of literature, the man who pushed him to Oxford,

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dies of a heart attack back in Trinidad. And

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V .S. Naipaul, as the eldest son, is religiously

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obligated to light the funeral pyre. But he can't

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go. He can't afford it. Because he's broke. He

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didn't have the boat fare. So he's sitting alone

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in Oxford, imagining his father's cremation,

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while his younger brother Shiva, who was only

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eight years old at the time, has to perform the

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sacred rites. That is just a staggering burden

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of guilt to carry. You're the eldest son, you've

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left the family, and you fail in the final, most

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important duty. Naipaul later wrote that this

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event marked Shiva with a private wound. But

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you have to imagine the wound it left on V .S.

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as well. He had left to become this famous writer

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to make his father proud, and his father died

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before he published a single word. He had nothing

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to show for the sacrifice. And to add insult

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to injury, his academic career falls apart right

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after that. Total collapse. He fails his postgraduate

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degree, the B -Lid. He blamed the professor,

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a man named F .P. Wilson. He even accused him

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of racial prejudice. Yeah. But the result was

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final. His scholarship money was gone. The academic

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door slammed shut. He later said he hated Oxford

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and the solitude it brought. The dream had completely

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soured. So it's 1954. He's stuck in London. He

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has no money, no degrees. His father is dead

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and he hasn't published a book. This is absolute

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rock bottom. It is. But then salvation comes

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from a very unlikely place. It comes from the

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BBC. The Caribbean Voices Program. Exactly. He

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gets a part -time gig with a producer named Henry

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Swansea in late 1954. And this introduces him

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to the freelancer's room in the old Langham Hotel.

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The way the sources describe this room, it sounds

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like the Harlem Renaissance, but for the Caribbean.

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It sounds like this incredible hub. It was literary

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alchemy. You have all these writers, Sam Sullivan,

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George Lamming, just hanging out, smoking, trading

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stories. And for the first time, Naipaul isn't

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the isolated other he was at Oxford. He's among

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his peers. He's hearing the rhythm of Trinidadian

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speech again, the banter, the calypso voice.

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He's reconnecting with the very thing he tried

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so hard to escape. Yes. And that atmosphere is

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what unlocks Miguel Street. Which is the first

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book he actually wrote, right? Even if it wasn't

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the first one published. Correct. He wrote Miguel

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Street in just five weeks. It's a collection

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of linked short stories about a street in Port

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of Spain. It's funny, it's lively, it perfectly

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captures that specific street energy he was reabsorbing

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in the BBC room. But, and this is classic publishing,

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the publisher didn't want it. Not at first. It's

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the eternal struggle. Andre Deutsch, his publisher,

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basically said, this is great kid, but short

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stories don't sell. Go write a novel first. So

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he just churns one out. He writes The Mystic

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Masseur, and he writes it almost cynically. He

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just wanted to get it done to satisfy the publisher.

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He wrote it without much enthusiasm, he said.

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He got 125 pounds for it. But it launched him.

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He got his name in print. Now during this time,

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he finally marries Pat. But they do it in secret.

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They married in 1955. and didn't tell their families

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for a while. It just shows how precarious their

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whole position was. For a long time, Pat was

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the main breadwinner. She was working as a teacher

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to support them while he worked part -time at

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the BBC and tried to get his footing as a writer.

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In 1956, he finally goes back to Trinidad. He

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hasn't been back since he left with that copying

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pencil and all those dreams. He goes back on

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a banana boat, the TSS Covina. And this trip

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is absolutely crucial because it cements his

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role as the outsider. He's not returning as a

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son of the soil. He's returning as a critic,

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an observer. He writes these long letters to

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Pat describing the other passengers on the boat,

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and they are just ruthless. This is where that

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incorruptible scrutiny starts to get really sharp.

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It does. When he lands, he sees a political awakening

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happening. It's 1956. Elections are going on.

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But where other people saw liberation and the

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birth of democracy, Naipaul saw. Tribalism. He

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saw racial lines hardening blacks versus Indian

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Muslims. He realized the fluid, chaotic society

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he remembered was gone, or at least changing

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into something else. But that chaos gave him

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the material for his next book, The Suffrage

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of Elvira. It did. He went campaigning with his

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uncle, saw the assertity and the comedy of the

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whole election process, and turned it into this

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brilliant satire. But all of this, the comedies,

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the early success, it was really just a warm

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-up. He was building the skills he needed to

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tackle the big one, the book that would finally

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fulfill his father's dream. A House for Mr. Biswas.

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The Masterpiece. Published in 1961. Now, for

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any listener who hasn't read it, this is a big

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book. It's dense. It's detailed. But at its core,

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it's a very simple, very personal story. It's

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an act of resurrection. Naipaul spent three years

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writing it in a small house in Streedom Hill

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in London. He later said these were the happiest

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years of his entire life. He took the tragic,

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broken, incomplete life of his father and reimagined

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it into the character of Mohan Biswas. And the

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plot is so simple, really. A man just wants a

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house. But the meaning is absolutely massive.

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Mr. Piswas is born with bad luck, he's physically

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weak, and he gets trapped by his powerful in

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-laws, the Tulsas. They live in this sprawling,

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chaotic, communal house called Hanuman House,

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and they demand conformity. They want to just

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swallow him up into the family, collective. And

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all he wants is a little piece of his own. He

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wants a house. A house is independence. It's

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a claim to his own existence. It's about not

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being a footnote in someone else's story. The

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book just tackles so much. The crushing weight

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of colonial society, dependency, the search for

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autonomy. Patrick French, his biographer, compares

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it to Tolstoy or Dickens in its scope. It creates

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a complete world from scratch. It really does.

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And there's a quote from Naipaul about the writing

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process that I've never been able to forget.

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He said that writing the book destroyed memory.

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What does that even mean? He meant that the fiction

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he created became more real to him than the actual

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events of his childhood. He essentially overwrote

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his own hard drive. The art completely consumed

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the life. He claimed he knew the book by heart

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by the time he finished it. And he dedicated

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it to Pat, eventually. Posthumously. In 2011.

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Which, as we'll see when we get to his personal

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life, is, well, it's a very complicated gesture.

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So Biswas makes him a literary star. He's done

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it. He's only 29 years old, and he's written

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what many consider one of the great novels of

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the 20th century. But then in the 1960s, something

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shifts. He moves away from fiction and into travel

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writing, and the tone changes dramatically. The

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humor starts to curdle into something much, much

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darker. The shift really begins with the Middle

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Passage in 1962. And the irony is that it was

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commissioned by Dr. Eric Williams, who was the

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premier of Trinidad. He wanted a book about the

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Caribbean by its most famous literary son. He

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probably expected a celebration of independence.

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I bet he regretted that commission pretty quickly.

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He got a hand grenade instead of travelogue.

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Naipaul looked at the West Indies, his home,

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and delivered one of the most devastating sentences

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in literary history. He wrote, history is built

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around achievement and creation. And nothing

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was created in the West Indies. Nothing was created.

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That is just brutal. It's a complete negation

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of the people living there. It's an annihilation.

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Naipaul's thesis was that slavery and colonialism

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had engendered such deep self -contempt that

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the people there were incapable of true creation.

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He didn't see nationalism. He saw mimicry. He

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didn't see culture. He saw confusion. He argued

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that without the rigid structure of the empire,

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these societies were just drifting in a void.

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And this idea of mimicry, this becomes a central

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obsession for him for the rest of his career.

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It leads directly to his 1967 novel The Mimic

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Men. Can we just define mimic men for the listener?

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Because it sounds like a sci -fi term, but it's

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really a sociological critique. Think of it this

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way. Naipaul looked at the politicians and the

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new leaders of these recently independent countries.

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in the caribbean in africa in asia and he argued

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that they were just play acting they were mimicking

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the structures of the western powers that used

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to rule them they wore the suits they used the

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parliament buildings but he believed there was

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no substance or real power behind it so the idea

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is that they believe real life real history is

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something that happens in london or paris or

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new york so their own governance is just a kind

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of performance they're hollow men that's the

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idea and what's Remarkable is that Eric Williams,

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the very politician he was essentially critiquing,

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read it and said the term was harsh but true.

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It struck a very deep nerve. It validated a certain

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anxiety that was floating around in the post

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-colonial world. Naipaul then takes this same

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scrutinizing gaze to India, the ancestral homeland.

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You'd expect his book An Area of Darkness from

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1964 to be about finding his roots, a kind of

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heartwarming return. Instead, it was about finding

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his nightmares. He said that when he arrived

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in India, he was overwhelmed by two things. First

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was the anonymity in Trinidad and in England.

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He was special. He was the Indian in the room

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in India. He was just another face in a massive

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crowd. He lost his distinctiveness and he absolutely

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hated it. And the second thing, the physical

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reality of poverty. But it wasn't just the poverty

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itself that horrified him. It was what he saw

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as the Indian reaction to it, what he perceived

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as a kind of resignation. He saw people defecating

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in the open. He saw crumbling ruins. And he felt

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this mix of rage and panic. He couldn't understand

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why people weren't angrier about it. There's

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that story about him visiting his ancestral village

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that is... just it's so bizarre it captures his

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detachment perfectly he finally goes to the village

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where his grandfather came from a relative comes

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up to him and asks him for aid for money because

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they're struggling and nipal doesn't just refuse

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he flees he literally runs away from the village

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He called the experience hysteria. He couldn't

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handle the demand of the place. It's that tension

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again. He wants the idea of India, the fairy

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tale village. But the messy physical reality

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of it just repulses him. It's the topography

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of the void all over again. He goes looking for

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a center, for a history. And in his view, he

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finds only darkness and decay. Yet at the same

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time, he writes about falling in love with the

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landscape. He's constantly torn between this

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profound attraction and this profound repulsion.

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This worldview that the post -colonial world

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is essentially chaotic and hollow, it really

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culminates in his Booker Prize winner in a free

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state from 1971 and later guerrillas in 75. These

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books are where that label, Conrad's Heir, really

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starts to stick. He travels through Africa, Kenya,

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Rwanda, Uganda. He witnesses the chaos of decolonization

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firsthand. He sees coups. He sees violence, displacement.

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And in a free state, he focuses on these young

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white liberals who've come to Africa. And he

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is absolutely merciless with them. Oh, he despises

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them. He portrays them as these rootless, naive

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people who come to Africa to find themselves.

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But they are totally oblivious to the real danger

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and the real politics around them. They have

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no skin in the game. He actually contrasts them

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with the old white colonial settlers. Who are

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often brutal racists. They might be brutal. They

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might be racist. But in Naipaul's view, at least

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they understand the land. They're committed to

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it in a way the liberals aren't. Naipaul had

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zero patience for liberal sentimentality. He

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thought it was actively dangerous. And gorillas,

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what was that based on? That was inspired by

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the Michael X killings in Trinidad. Michael X

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was this sort of charismatic black power leader

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whose commune turned into a bizarre murder cult.

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For Naipaul, it was the ultimate proof of his

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mimic men theory. All this revolutionary rhetoric

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was just masking empty, brutal, pointless violence.

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Joan Didion wrote a famous review of that book

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where she talks about the pink haze of bauxite

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dust. It's such a great observation. She notes

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that in Naipaul's world, the idea never wins.

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The physical fact, the dust, the heat, the humidity,

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the rotting vegetation always dominates and suffocates

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the idea. The world is what it is. Which brings

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us to the most uncomfortable part of this deep

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dive. Section seven of our outline is titled

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The World Is What It Is. That's the title of

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his authorized biography. And we have to turn

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that scrutiny on to Naipaul himself. We do, because

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you cannot understand the work, especially the

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later work, without understanding the man's behavior.

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And a lot of this new information comes directly

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from Pat Hale's diaries, which were released

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after her death. For decades, Pat was sort of

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the silent saint in the background. She edited

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his work. She managed his life. She soothes his

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ego. How did he treat her? Horribly. The sources

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describe him as ill -humored and infantile. He

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was relentlessly demanding. He would visit prostitutes

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and then come home and tell her about it in detail.

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He complained to her face about his sexual dissatisfaction.

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He essentially treated her more like a staff

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member than a spouse. And then there's Margaret.

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In 1972, he met a woman named Margaret Murray

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Gooding in Argentina. And he began a decades

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-long affair with her. He would leave Pat in

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their cottage in England and go travel the world

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with Margaret. It was very open secret. And this

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wasn't just an affair. It was abusive. It was

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violent. And Naipaul actually admitted this to

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his own biographer, Patrick French. He's on the

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record. He described beating Margaret for two

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days to the point where, in his words, my hand

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was swollen. He admitted that. He put that in

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his authorized biography. He did. He spoke about

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it with this terrifying clinical detachment.

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And Patrick French's assessment is just chilling.

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He noted that for Naipaul, Cruelty was part of

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the attraction. It fed something in him. And

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meanwhile, Pat is at home and eventually she

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gets sick. She's dying of cancer. The timeline

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here. Yeah. Honestly, it's very hard to read.

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She died in February 1996. Within two months

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of her death, Nat Paul ended the affair with

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Margaret. He just dumped her. And he married

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Nadira Alvey. a Pakistani journalist who was

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20 years his junior. Two months. He just swapped

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out the entire support system. It's brutal. And

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it raises the question, was Pat just a resource

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to him? Was she just a tool to get the books

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written? It suggests a man who viewed people,

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even the person closest to him, as utilities.

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It really complicates the legacy. Here you have

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a man who demands that we look at the unvarnished

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truth of societies, but he seems to lack the

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most basic human empathy in his own life. And

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that lack of empathy, that sort of cold analytical

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view, bled directly into his later political

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views, especially his views on Islam. This is

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from his books Beyond Belief and Among the Believers.

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Right. In those books, he argued that Islam was

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a form of Arab imperialism. He believed that

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when a non -Arab country like Pakistan or Indonesia

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or Iran converts to Islam, it is forced to reject

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its own pre -Islamic history and adopt Arab history

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instead. He called it a cultural lobotomy. Which

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naturally critics just tore apart. They pointed

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out it was a massive sweeping generalization.

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Fuad Ajami and others rejected it completely,

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noting the rich diversity of Islamic cultures

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and how they blend with local traditions all

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over the world. But Naipaul wasn't really interested

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in that nuance. He was interested in his overarching

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thesis, colonization destroys identity. Whether

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it's British colonization or what he saw as Arab

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colonization, he saw the same destructive pattern

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everywhere. And yet, despite the accusations

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of racism, despite the revelations about his

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misogyny, despite all the controversy... In 2001,

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he wins the Nobel Prize. He does. And the Nobel

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citation is fascinating. They didn't praise him

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for being a nice guy. They praised him for his

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united perceptive narrative and incorruptible

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scrutiny and for compelling us to see suppressed

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histories. They compared him to a modern philosopher

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in the tradition of Voltaire. But the critics

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didn't let up. Robert Harris called his portrayal

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of Africa racist and repulsive. And Edward Said

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had perhaps the most famous critique of all.

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Sed called him a witness for the Western prosecution.

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What was his argument exactly? Sed's argument

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was that the West loved Naipaul because he validated

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their deepest prejudices. He was a brown man

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from the colonies telling them, yes, you were

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right all along. These third world countries

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are hopeless and chaotic without you. Sed felt

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Naipaul was punching down, using his immense

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talent to confirm colonial mythologies. And what

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was Naipaul's defense against all this? How did

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he see himself? He had a great line for it. He

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said he transforms rage into precision. That's

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a hell of a quote. Rage into precision. It implies

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that the anger isn't just an emotion. It's a

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tool for seeing clearly. He genuinely believed

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he was the only one brave enough or perhaps damaged

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enough to tell the ugly truth that everyone else

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was trying to ignore. So as we wrap this all

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up, how do we synthesize this man? We have the

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boy from the sugar plantation who conquered the

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literary world. We have the so -called truth

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teller who might have just been blinded by his

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own trauma. We have this man who is essentially

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a man without a home. I think Naipaul's legacy

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is one of brutal aliveness. He absolutely refused

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to sentimentalize the world. He refused to pretend

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that the empire didn't leave deep, permanent

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scars. But he also refused to pretend that the

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victims of empire were somehow automatically

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saints. He looked directly into the void and

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he mapped it, inch by painful inch. He forces

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you as a reader to look at the things you'd much

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rather ignore. But here's the final provocative

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thought for you, the listener. Something to chew

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on after this. If we accept that Naipaul spent

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his entire life obsessed with mimic men, these

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people who play act at life because they feel

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they're hollow inside, we have to ask the question.

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Did he ultimately become one himself? What do

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you mean by that? I mean, did his ruthless, single

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-minded pursuit of the idea of truth, that cold

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attachment that calculated cruelty, did it eventually

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turn him into a man who was just mimicking humanity?

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Did the scrutiny eventually corrupt the scrutineer

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to the point where he couldn't actually feel

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for the real physical people closest to him?

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That is the ultimate paradox. The man who saw

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everything, but in the end, maybe felt nothing

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at all. Precisely. And the value of reading Naipaul

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today isn't about agreeing with him. It's about

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engaging with that tension, what Joan Didion

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called the unbearable tension between the idea

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and the physical fact. A complex man, a very

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difficult legacy, and a fascinating deep dive.

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Thank you for listening. We'll see you on the

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next one.
