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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. I have to say,

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looking at the stack of documents and research

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we have on the desk today, it feels like we're

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about to open a cold case file that's been sitting

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dusty in the archives of American history for

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way, way too long. It really does feel like a

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cold case or, you know, maybe a missing persons

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case, considering how this story ends up. Exactly.

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We are tackling a figure today who is. quite

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frankly, a walking contradiction. He's a man

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who you could argue is the single most important

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founding father in terms of, you know, actually

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getting the revolution off the ground. He's the

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guy who provided the spark. Right. Without him,

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that whole powder keg might never have exploded,

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or at least not in the way that it did. Right.

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But here is the kicker, and this is the statistic

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that just blew my mind when I started reading

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the prep material. This man was the best -selling

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author of the entire 18th century. He was, for

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a time, probably the most famous American in

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the world. And yet when he died, do you know

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how many people showed up to his funeral? It's

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a heartbreaking number. It's six. Six people.

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And we're not talking about some private, you

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know, family only ceremony. We're talking about

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a man who was essentially ostracized by the very

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nation he helped create. The contrast is just

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so stark. We are, of course, talking about Thomas

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Paine, the man who. Historians think likely coined

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the name United States of America, the man whose

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words were read to the troops at Valley Forge

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to stop them from deserting. And yet by the end

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of his life, he was a pariah. So our mission

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today is to unpack this radical life. And radical

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is absolutely the right word. His life reads

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less like a history textbook and more like a

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tragedy mixed with some kind of wild adventure

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novel. I mean, looking at the outline, we have

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failed corset making. We have escapes from execution

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by a chalk mark. We have. Pirates. Well, privateers.

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We have a feud with George Washington and we

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have this very, very bizarre, almost gothic horror

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story about his stolen bones. The saga of the

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bones is the perfect, weird ending to a life

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that just refused to fit into any neat box. But

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you're right. To understand pain is to understand

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the power of words and the price of sticking

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to your principles when the world changes around

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you. So let's dive in. And we have to start at

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the beginning. And the beginning is surprisingly...

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Well, ordinary. Actually, ordinary might be a

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bit generous. It was kind of a disaster. It was

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a real struggle. Thomas Paine was born in Thetford,

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England in 1737. And if you have a picture in

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your head of a founding father, you know, the

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marble statue, the wealthy Virginia plant, or

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the Harvard -educated lawyer, you just have to

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delete that image completely. Paine was none

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of those things. He was working class. Deeply

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working class. His father, Joseph Paine... And

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it's worth noting the spelling in the early records

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is P -A -I -N, without the E, was a tenant farmer

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and a staymaker. Okay, we need to pause on staymaker,

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because I saw this in the notes and I had to

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look up what that actually meant. It's not just

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making clothes, is it? No, no, it's industrial

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labor. Stays are the stiffening structures that

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go inside women's corsets. In the 18th century,

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that meant working with whalebone. You'd have

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to heat it, bend it, stitch it into this heavy

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canvas. It was physically demanding, smelly.

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Really repetitive work. It was a trade, but not

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a glamorous one at all. And his mother, Frances,

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was Anglican, but his father was a Quaker. That

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religious mix seems really important. given Paine's

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later reputation. It's crucial. Quakers in that

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era were, you know, very distinct. They believed

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in the inner light, this idea that God communicates

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directly to every individual, not through a priest

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or a bishop or some church hierarchy. So anti

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-authority from the start. Very anti -hierarchy.

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They were often pacifists and they believed in

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a kind of spiritual equality that was incredibly

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radical for the class stratified society of England.

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And you see that DNA all over Paine's writing.

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He had this natural DNA. But he wasn't spending

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his youth debating theology. He was pulled out

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of school pretty young, wasn't he? Very young.

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He attended Thetford Grammar School, but his

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formal education ended when he was 13. 13, that's

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it. That's it. At 13 years old, he was apprenticed

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to his father. He was in the shop bending whalebone.

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I mean, can you imagine? He was looking at a

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future of just grinding manual labor, and he

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clearly hated every minute of it. He must have,

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because at age 19, the notes say he did something

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completely out of left field. He ran away to

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sea. He did. He enlisted on a ship called the

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King of Prussia. And this wasn't the Royal Navy.

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This was a privateer. Yes. And we should probably

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explain what that means because privateer sounds

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sort of dashing and romantic. It sounds like

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a gentleman pirate, right? Right. But it was

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essentially a state -sanctioned pirate. Britain

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was on the brink of the Seven Years' War, so

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the government would issue what they called letters

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of marquee to private ship owners. These letters

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gave them legal permission to attack enemy merchant

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ships, mostly French ships, and steal their cargo.

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So he was signing up for legalized armed robbery

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on the high seas. That's a great way to put it.

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It was incredibly dangerous work. I mean, disease,

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storms, combat. For a boy raised in a pacifist

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Quaker household, this was just a massive rebellion.

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It really shows you he had this wild streak,

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or at least a desperate, desperate need to escape

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the crushing boredom of Thetford. But he didn't

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stick with the pirate life for long. He came

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back to Britain in 1759. He did. He tried to

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settle down. He became a master staymaker himself.

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And he set up a shop in Sandwich in Kent. He

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was, you know, trying to do the respectable thing.

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And this is where the tragedy really starts to

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creep in. Yeah. Because looking at this timeline,

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he just cannot catch a break. No, he really can't.

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He married a woman named Mary Lambert in 1759.

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But his business collapsed almost immediately.

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The economy was bad. They had to move to Margate

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to try to find work. Mary went into early labor.

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And in the 18th century, without modern medicine,

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well, both she and the child died. That is just

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devastating. He's in his early 20s. His business

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has failed. He's completely broke. And he's just

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lost his wife and his child. It's the kind of

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trauma that either breaks you or it radicalizes

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you. For Payne, it really seems to have left

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him adrift. He was just looking for a purpose.

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He eventually left the corset trade for good

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and got a job as an excise officer. The tax man.

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The most hated man in England. Which is deeply,

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deeply ironic considering he becomes the voice

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of the American Revolution against British taxes.

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The irony is profound. But you have to understand

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the job. He was stationed in places like Grantham

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and Alford. His job was to patrol for smugglers

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and collect duties on goods like brandy, tea,

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and tobacco. But he wasn't very good at playing

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the bureaucratic game. I saw in the notes he

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was fired. What happened there? He was dismissed

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in 1765 for claiming to have inspected goods

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he did not inspect. So he was just rubber -standing

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the paperwork. Exactly. He was stamping the goods

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without actually doing the physical inspection.

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Maybe he was lazy. Maybe he thought the rules

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were stupid. Or maybe he was just trying to be

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efficient. But whatever the reason, he got caught.

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He begged for his job back, though, right? He

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did. He wrote a petition to the Board of Excise

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and was eventually reinstated. But it really

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shows a pattern. He did not respect authority

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just because it was authority. He drifted around

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a bit. He even taught school in London for a

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while. And then he got posted to Lewis in Sussex.

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And it seems like Lewis is where he starts to

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become Thomas Paine. political thinker. Lewis

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was a unique town. It had this strong tradition

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of debate and even anti -monarchist sentiment.

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Payne got involved in local civic matters. He

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served on the town's governing body. But most

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importantly, he started organizing his fellow

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workers. This is the case of the officers of

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excise, his first real political writing. Published

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in 1772. And it wasn't a call for revolution,

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not at all. It was a labor dispute. He was arguing

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that excise officers like him were severely underpaid.

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Here's this really detailed pamphlet explaining

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that if you pay tax collectors starvation wages,

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you're practically forcing them to take bribes

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from smugglers just to survive. That's actually

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a very sophisticated argument for a guy with

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just a grammar school education. He's talking

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about systemic incentives. It is. He printed

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4 ,000 copies. He spent a whole winter in London

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standing outside Parliament handing them out

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to MPs. He was lobbying. He was trying to work

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within the system to fix a real grievance. And

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how did the system respond? The system crushed

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him. Parliament ignored him completely. And because

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he had spent all that time in London lobbying

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instead of doing his job, he was fired from the

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Excise Service again in April 1774. So let's

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just take Sakhir for a minute. He's 37 years

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old. He's been fired twice. He failed as a corset

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maker. He tried to run a tobacco shop in Lewis,

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and that failed too. He's separated from his

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second wife, Elizabeth Olive, and he has to sell

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all of his household possessions just to avoid

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debtor's prison. By every single standard of

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his society, Thomas Paine was a total failure.

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He was destitute. He was a nobody. If he had

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died in 1774, he would have been buried in a

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pauper's grave and we would never, ever have

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heard his name. But he makes one connection,

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one handshake that changes everything. In London,

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through his interest in science, he'd met a mathematician

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named George Lewis Scott. And Scott introduced

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him to a man who was in London representing the

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American colonies. Benjamin Franklin. The doctor

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himself. Franklin was the most famous American

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in the world at that point. A total celebrity.

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And he meets this scruffy, angry... but incredibly

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articulate Englishman. And for some reason, Franklin

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saw potential in him. Franklin was the ultimate

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talent scout. He really was. He saw a spark in

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Payne. Maybe he liked his bluntness, his lack

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of deference. Franklin wrote a letter of recommendation

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for Payne. He suggested he move to Philadelphia.

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He wrote to his son -in -law in America, The

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bearer, Mr. Thomas Payne, is very well recommended

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to me as an ingenious, worthy young man. That

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letter was basically a golden ticket. It was

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a lifeline. Payne got on a ship in October 1774.

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But even the journey was a complete disaster.

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The ship's water was contaminated. Typhoid fever

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broke out. Five passengers died on the crossing.

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When they docked in Philadelphia that November,

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Payne was so sick he couldn't walk. He had to

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be carried off on a stretcher. It's just amazing

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to think how fragile history is. If that fever

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had been just a little bit worse, there's no

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common sense. It hangs by a thread. But he survived.

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He was nursed back to health, partly thanks to

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Franklin's connections. And once he was on his

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feet, he looked around in America and he found

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a place where a guy like him could finally fit

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in. He becomes an editor pretty quickly. Yes.

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In early 1775, he became the editor of the Pennsylvania

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Magazine. And he turned out to be brilliant at

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it. He grew the readership massively. He wrote

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about everything, science, marriage, politics,

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you name it. And he didn't waste any time getting

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radical. I saw a note about an essay called African

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Slavery in America. Yes. Published in March 1775.

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It wasn't signed, but Benjamin Rush, another

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key founding father, attributed it to pain. It

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called slavery an execrable commerce. Execrable.

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That's a strong word. It means attestable. He

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called it an outrage against humanity and justice.

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And this is so important because, well. Many

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founders were slave owners who talked a good

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game about liberty. Paine was a dedicated abolitionist

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from the very start. He believed rights were

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universal. If they applied to him, they applied

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to everyone. So he is establishing himself as

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a powerful voice. But then comes January 1776,

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the moment everything changes. Common sense.

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The pamphlet that sparked the fire. Now, we all

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learn about common sense in school, but I feel

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like we gloss over just how radical it was for

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its time. Can you set the scene for us? What

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was the mood in the colonies in early 1776? This

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is the crucial context. The war had actually

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already started. The battles of Lexington and

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Concord happened in April 1775. The Battle of

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Bunker Hill happened in June, so people were

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already shooting at each other. But, and this

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is a huge but, Most colonists were not fighting

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for independence. What were they fighting for

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then? They were fighting for their rights as

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Englishmen. They wanted a return to the status

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quo. They blamed Parliament and the King's ministers

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for the bad taxes, but they still toasted King

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George III at dinner. The prevailing hope was

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that the king would step in and fix things. They

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saw themselves as loyal subjects who were just

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being mistreated by some corrupt bureaucrats.

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So the idea of breaking away completely was...

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Well, it was a fringe idea. It was terrifying.

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It was treason. And practically speaking, it

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seemed impossible. Britain was the greatest superpower

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on Earth. And then Paine publishes Common Sense.

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And he just shatters that entire illusion. He

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attacks the king directly. He calls George III

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the royal brute of Britain. I love that insult.

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The royal brute. It's so direct. It's brilliant

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branding, isn't it? It just strips away all the

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majesty. He argued that the whole idea of hereditary

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monarchy was absurd. He famously said that having

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a hereditary ruler is as ridiculous as having

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a hereditary mathematician. Just because your

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dad was smart doesn't mean you are. And he used

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the Bible to do it, which was genius. He knew

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his audience. Americans at the time were a deeply

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religious people. So he used the Old Testament

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to show that when the ancient Israelites asked

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for a king, it was considered a sin against God.

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He turned the king from a benevolent father figure

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into a usurper, an enemy of God's will. But it

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wasn't just the argument, was it? It was the

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style. Our mission for this deep dive mentioned

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his plain writing style. That was the revolution

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within the revolution. Before Paine, political

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pamphlets were written by lawyers for lawyers.

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They were dense. They were full of Latin phrases,

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full of complex legal precedents. You basically

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needed a degree to understand them. Paine wrote

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for the guy in the tavern. He wrote for the farmer

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in the field. He used short sentences. He used

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metaphors people actually understood. He democratized

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the debate. He did. He took politics out of the

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elite drawing room and put it right in the street.

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And the sales were just insane. Give us the numbers.

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He estimated it sold around 100 ,000 copies in

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the first three months. Some biographers think

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it eventually reached half a million copies by

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the end of the war. And the population of the

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colonies was only about two and a half million

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people at the time. Exactly. Proportionally,

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that would be like a book selling tens of millions

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of copies today. It was everywhere. If you couldn't

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read, someone read it to you out loud. It completely

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crystallized public opinion. It shifted the entire

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conversation from Redress of grievances to independence.

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It's interesting, though, that not all the founders

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loved it. John Adams really had a problem with

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Paine. Oh, Adams. Adams hated Paine's populism.

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Adams wanted independence, absolutely. But Adams

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was a conservative at heart. He believed in order,

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hierarchy, checks and balances. Paine was arguing

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for a radical democracy, universal manhood suffrage,

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no property requirements to vote. To a guy like

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Adams, that sounded like mob rule. What did he

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call it? A crappulous mask. A crappulous mask.

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Adams famously said, without the pen of the author

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of Common Sense, the sword of Washington would

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have been raised in vain. So he admitted pain

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was necessary, but he really did not like him.

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He thought he was too dangerous, too democratic.

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But Washington saw its value. Washington found

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it incredibly useful. It gave his soldiers a

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reason to fight. Suddenly, it wasn't just about

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taxes anymore. It was about building a whole

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new world. Speaking of building a new world,

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let's talk about the name, the United States

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of America. This is a detail I absolutely love.

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Before Paine, people would say the United Colonies

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or just America. But in June of 1776, Paine wrote

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a letter in the Pennsylvania Evening Post under

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the pseudonym Republicus. He did love a pseudonym.

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He did. Common sense was just signed by an Englishman.

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In this Republicans letter, he argued that to

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get foreign aid from France and Spain, they needed

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to be a real nation, not just a bunch of rebellious

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colonies. And he wrote, I shall rejoice to hear

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the title of the United States of America. He

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wrote it in all caps. He emphasized it. He was

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branding the new nation. He understood that words

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create reality. If you start calling yourself

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a United States, you start acting like one. That

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brings us to late 1776. The branding is great.

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The Declaration of Independence is signed. But

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the war itself is going terribly. It's a complete

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disaster. Washington has been kicked out of New

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York. He's retreating across New Jersey. The

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army is shrinking by the day. Disease is rampant.

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Morale is at zero. It really looks like the revolution

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is going to be crushed before the first winter

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is even over. And pain is there, on the ground.

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He's traveling with the army. He's serving as

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an aide -de -camp to General Nathaniel Greene.

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He sees the retreat firsthand. He sees the footprints

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in the snow stained with blood from soldiers

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who don't have proper boots. And he starts writing

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again. He writes The American Crisis. The story

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is he wrote it on a drumhead by the light of

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a campfire. And the opening line is just iconic.

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These are the times that try men's souls. The

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summer soldier in the Sunshine Patriot will,

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in this crisis, shrink from the service of their

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country. It's a challenge. He's calling them

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out. He's saying it's easy to be a patriot when

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it's sunny and things are going well. But who

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are you when it's dark? Washington was so moved

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by it that he ordered it to be read to all the

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troops before they crossed the Delaware to attack

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Trenton. And that was the turning point of the

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war. It really was. And Paine's words were the

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soundtrack to that victory. So we have Paine

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as the voice of the revolution. But then, as

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seems to be the pattern with him, things get

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messy. We move into part three, diplomat and

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troublemaker. Paine was never, ever good at playing

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politics. He was a truth teller. And that is

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a very dangerous thing to be in any government.

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This is the Silas Dean affair. This seems complicated,

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but can you boil it down for us? OK, the simple

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version is this. Silas Dean was an American diplomat

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in France. His job was to get supplies for the

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war. Paine, who was the secretary to the Committee

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on Foreign Affairs, which was a big job, he discovered

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that Dean was charging Congress for supplies

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that the French king had actually intended as

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secret gifts. So Dean was basically pocketing

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the money. War profiteering. That's what Paine

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concluded. And Paine, being Paine, couldn't just

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stay quiet. He saw this as corruption, as a betrayal

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of the revolution. So he published all the details

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in the newspaper. There was a catch. A big one.

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A huge catch. In the process of proving that

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Dean was a crook, Payne cited secret documents

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that revealed France was sending aid before they

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had officially signed a treaty of alliance. France

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was still technically neutral. Payne just outed

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their entire secret operation to the world. Whoops.

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Yeah. Big whoops. The French minister was furious.

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Congress was deeply embarrassed. They had to

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fire Payne to save face and preserve the alliance.

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He went from being a high -ranking government

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official to being completely disgraced. He was

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even physically assaulted in the street by some

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of Dean's merchant friends. He just couldn't

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help himself, could he? He valued the truth more

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than the diplomatic game. And the really tragic

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part is later evidence showed that Payne was

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right all along. Dean was corrupt, but Payne

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was the one who paid the price. He ended up broke

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again and out of a job. But he keeps going. He

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goes back to France in 1781 with John Lawrence

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to help get more money. He helps set up the Bank

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of North America. He's always trying to be useful

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to the cause. And eventually, he does get some

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recognition. When the war finally ends, the state

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of New York gives him a farm in New Rochelle.

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Congress gives him $3 ,000. He finally has a

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home and some security. He could have retired

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right then. He could have just been a gentleman

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farmer. He absolutely could have. but his brain

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just would not turn off. And this brings us to

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what the outline calls the scientific interlude.

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I love this part. He decides he's going to build

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bridges. Literally. He became obsessed with the

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idea of single span iron bridges. At the time,

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bridges were either wood or stone. Stone was

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incredibly expensive. Wood rotted and needed

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constant repair. Payne designed this innovative

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single span iron bridge that could cross the

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Schuylkill River in Philadelphia. That was incredibly

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high tech for the 1780s. It was cutting edge

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engineering. He couldn't get the funding for

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it in America. So in 1787, he sailed back to

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Europe, first to France. then to England to find

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investors for his bridge project. He was showing

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off his models to the Royal Society. He was hanging

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out with scientists. He also invented a smokeless

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candle and worked on early steam engines. He

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was a true Enlightenment man. But while he is

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in Europe trying to sell his bridge idea, history

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intervenes again. The French Revolution. 1789,

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the Bastille falls. And Paine, who was right

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there, is pulled back into the political vortex.

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And this leads to his next great work, Rights

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of Man. This was a direct response to Edmund

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Burke. Burke, who was a famous British politician,

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wrote a book called Reflections on the Revolution

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in France, which was a scathing attack on what

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was happening, calling it chaos and anarchy.

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Paine read it and was absolutely furious. He

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wrote Rights of Man in 1791 as a direct rebuttal

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and a defense of the revolution. And if common

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sense was radical, Rights of Man was. I mean,

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it was on another level entirely. It went so

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much further. In common sense, he attacked a

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specific king. In Rights of Man, he attacked

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the entire concept of the past having any right

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to rule the present. He wrote, and this is a

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key line, He's basically saying tradition doesn't

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matter. He's saying the dead have no rights.

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Only the living have rights. He advocated for

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a republic, a written constitution, social welfare

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programs. The book sold nearly a million copies.

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And the British government was not. happy about

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they were terrified they were convinced a revolution

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was going to start in london they indicted him

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for a seditious libel they hired spies to follow

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him everywhere he went mobs were organized to

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burn him in effigy in towns all across england

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this is where the poet william blake comes into

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the story yes the famous poet and artist the

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story goes that blake met pain at a dinner party

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and warned him do not go home tonight they are

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coming to arrest you Paine took the advice, and

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in September 1792, he got on a boat and fled

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to France. He escaped by the skin of his teeth.

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By mere hours. He was tried in absentia in England

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and convicted of treason. He was now an outlaw

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in his own birth country. He could never go back.

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But in France, he's a hero. A total superstar.

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He was made an honorary citizen, and despite

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not speaking a word of French, he was elected

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to the National Convention. That is just wild.

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He is a member of parliament in a country where

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you can't speak the language. He had to have

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his speeches translated and read aloud by other

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delegates. But his presence was hugely symbolic.

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He was the author of Common Sense, the man who

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helped create the American Republic. But the

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French Revolution wasn't the American Revolution.

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It got dark. Very, very quickly. It got very

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dark. The Jacobins, the radicals led by Maximilian

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Robespierre, started to take over. They wanted

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blood. They put the king, Louis XVI, on trial

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for his life. And this is the moment where Paine

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proves his integrity again, doesn't he? The man

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who hates kings with a passion votes to save

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the king's life. It stunned everyone. Paine argued

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that execution was immoral. He was fundamentally

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against the death penalty. And he made a practical

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point as well. Louis XVI had helped the American

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Revolution. He was an ally. Paine stood up and

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said, let's not kill him. Let's exile him to

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America. He wanted to send the king of France

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to live in Philadelphia. He thought he could

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live there as a private citizen, maybe learn

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how to be a Democrat. That is wildly optimistic,

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to say the least. It absolutely infuriated the

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Jacobins. Jean -Paul Marat interrupted the reading

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of Paine's speech, shouting that the translator

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was lying because he couldn't believe Paine would

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say such a thing. But Paine stood his ground.

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And that single vote put a massive target on

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his back. It did. The king was executed. The

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reign of terror began. The Jacobins started rounding

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up and executing all of their political enemies.

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Paine was a foreigner, and he was allied with

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a moderate faction, the Girondins. In December

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of 1793, he was arrested. This brings us to part

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five, the chalk mark. This has to be the lowest

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point of his entire life. He was thrown into

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Luxembourg prison. It was basically a waiting

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room for the guillotine. People were being taken

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out in batches every single day and beheaded.

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Payne was 56. He was sick with a fever and he

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was watching his friends die one by one. And

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while he's in there, what is the United States

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doing, the country he helped create? Nothing.

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This is the great betrayal. The U .S. ambassador

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at the time was a man named Gouverneur Morris.

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Morris was a federalist who hated Paine's radical

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ideas. He thought Paine was a dangerous anarchist.

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And Morris essentially just let him rot in that

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prison. He made no effort to claim him as an

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American citizen. And Washington. Washington

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stayed silent. Washington was president. He was

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trying to keep the U .S. neutral in the wars

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between Britain and France. He didn't want to

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anchor either side. So he sacrificed Paine for

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diplomatic convenience. Payne sat in that cell

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for months, waiting for a letter from his old

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friend George Washington that never came. That

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must have just broken his heart. It broke his

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heart and it filled him with a rage that would

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fester for years. But first, he had to survive.

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And this brings us to the famous chalk mark story.

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Tell us this. It feels like something straight

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out of a movie script. So at the height of the

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terror, the jailers would come around at night

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with a list of who was scheduled to be executed

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the next morning. They would mark the cell door

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of the condemned with chalk, usually a cross

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or a number. It was a mark of death. Right. Payne

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was in a cell with a few other men and he was

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very sick with a fever. His cell door had been

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left open to let some air in. Now, the door was

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heavy. and it opened outwards into the corridor,

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pressing flat against the outer wall. Okay, I'm

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visualizing this. The jailer came by, checked

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his list, and he chalked Payne's door. But because

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the door was open, he put the mark on the side

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of the door that was facing the corridor, which

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was actually the inside face of the door when

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it was closed. So when they shut the door for

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the night? The mark was on the inside of the

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cell, hidden from view. So the next morning,

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the execution squad comes down the hall. They

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walk down the hall. They look at all the closed

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doors. They don't see a mark on Payne's door.

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They walk right past him and take the men from

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the other cells. He slept through his own execution

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because of a simple geometry error. It was a

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miracle, pure chance. And a few days later, Robespierre

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fell from power. The terror ended. Payne survived.

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Eventually, James Monroe, the future president,

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became a new ambassador and got him released.

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But Payne was a changed man. He was deeply bitter.

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And he was also angry at organized religion,

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which he felt had enabled so much tyranny. And

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while he was in prison, he wrote his most controversial

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book, The Age of Reason. This is part six, Controversial

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Ideas. And this is the book that really destroyed

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his reputation in America. Why? Because it was

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a frontal assault on the Bible. Paine was a deist.

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He believed in God. He would look at the stars

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in the universe and see evidence of a creator.

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But he rejected organized religion. He rejected

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miracles, prophecies, and the divinity of Jesus.

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He called the Bible the word of a demon. He did.

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He went through it and pointed out all the violence,

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the contradictions, the obscene stories in the

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Old Testament. And in the 1790s, America was

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going through a major religious revival, the

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Second Great Awakening. So this book was just

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shocking. He was immediately branded an atheist,

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which he wasn't, but the label stuck. People

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who had loved common sense were now publicly

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burning the age of reason. He just could not

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read The Room, could he? He didn't care about

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The Room. He only cared about what he thought

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was the truth. And then on top of that, he wrote

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Agrarian Justice in 1797. This is his big economic

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proposal. This is my favorite of his later works.

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It is so unbelievably ahead of its time. Payne

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argued that poverty was not a natural state.

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He said it was created by civilization and specifically

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by the concept of private property. He said the

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earth belongs to everyone in common. Exactly.

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He said that when an individual owns a piece

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of land, they are excluding everyone else from

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their natural inheritance. So they owe a kind

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of ground rent back to society for that privilege.

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And what do you want to do with that money? He

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proposed creating a national fund and he wanted

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to use that fund to give every single person,

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man or woman, Rich or poor, a lump sum of 15

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pounds sterling when they turn 21. A capital

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grant to get started in life. A nest egg for

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everyone. And on top of that, he wanted to give

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every person over the age of 50 an annual pension

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of 10 pounds for the rest of their life. He basically

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invented Social Security. And universal basic

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income in 1797. But of course, the wealthy elite

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thought this was absolute madness. They called

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it leveling. They called it theft. It was just

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too radical. So he has alienated the church.

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He has alienated the church. alienated the wealthy,

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and then he decides to go after the most popular

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man in America. The letter to George Washington.

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In 1796, still furious about being abandoned

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in that French prison, he finally let all of

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his anger out. He published a scathing open letter

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accusing Washington of being incompetent as a

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general and treacherous as a friend. We told

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him a hypocrite, an imposter. He wrote, the world

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will be puzzled to decide whether you are an

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apostate or an imposter. You just do not talk

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about George Washington that way in 1790s America.

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Not if you want to have any friends left. That

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letter was the final nail in the coffin. When

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Payne finally returned to the United States in

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1802, invited by President Jefferson, he was

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a pariah. How bad was the reception? It was brutal.

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The Federalist newspapers attacked him mercilessly.

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They called him a loathsome reptile and a drunken

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infidel. Old friends shunned him. People wouldn't

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shake his hand on the street. He was old, he

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was in poor health, and he was drinking far too

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much. And the final insult came a new Rochelle

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on his own farm. In 1806, he went to vote in

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a local election. And the officials at the polling

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place turned him away. They said he wasn't a

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citizen. The man who named the country. They

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argued that because he had accepted honorary

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French citizenship, he had forfeited his American

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status. And Gouverneur Morris, his old enemy

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from Paris, was there and just let it happen.

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It was a complete and utter humiliation. And

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he dies in 1809. In Greenwich Village, New York

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City. on june 8th the obituary was just cold

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he had lived long did some good and much harm

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that was it and the funeral this brings us right

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back to where we started he had wished to be

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buried in the quaker cemetery but because of

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his writings against the bible they refused him

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so he was buried in a corner of his farm in new

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rochelle and six people came two were black freedmen

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paying their respects to his abolitionist views

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a french woman named marguerite de bonneville

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who had cared for him and her children That was

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it. No state funeral. No cannons. No eulogies

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from famous men. It's a silence. But the story

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doesn't end there, does it? We have to talk about

00:31:02.259 --> 00:31:05.980
the bones. The bones. So in 1819, a British radical

00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:08.359
journalist named William Cobbett, who used to

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hate pain but then became a huge admirer, decided

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that pain was being neglected and that his proper

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resting place should be England. So he just...

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He went to the farm in New Rochelle in the middle

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of the night, dug up the coffin, and took Payne's

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bones. He packed them in a box and sailed back

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to Liverpool. What on earth was the plan? He

00:31:26.670 --> 00:31:29.309
wanted to build a massive memorial, a shrine,

00:31:29.549 --> 00:31:31.849
to Payne. He thought the British working class

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would flock to it and be inspired to revolution.

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But it completely backfired. People just thought

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it was ghoulish and creepy. The town crier in

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Thetford, Payne's birthplace, refused to even

00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.460
announce the arrival of the bones. So Cobbett

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is now stuck with a skeleton in his attic. Literally.

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He kept the bones in a trunk until he died in

00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.420
1835. And then his estate was auctioned off.

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And in the chaos, the bones were separated. Separated.

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You mean lost. They were lost. They just vanished.

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Over the years, people have popped up claiming

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to have his skull or hand or his jawbone. There

00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.400
are bizarre rumors that they were made into buttons.

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But the truth is, nobody knows. There is no grave.

00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.740
Thomas Paine is scattered to the winds. My country

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is the world. It's weirdly fitting for him, isn't

00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.440
it? He couldn't be contained by one plot of land,

00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:21.220
even in death. So what is the legacy then? Because

00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:24.559
despite the lost bones, his ideas, so many of

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them, they won in the end. They absolutely did.

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.259
Abraham Lincoln was a huge fan. His direct, plain

00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:33.839
writing style was heavily influenced by pain.

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Thomas Edison called him one of the greatest

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Americans. His ideas on social security, on secular

00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.559
government, on universal human rights, they are

00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.779
the bedrock of modern democracy, even if we don't

00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:48.200
always credit him for them. He was the guy who

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could tear down the old house, even if he didn't

00:32:50.619 --> 00:32:52.619
quite know how to live in the new one he'd designed.

00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.539
He was a perpetual revolutionary. He was uncomfortable

00:32:55.539 --> 00:32:58.740
in peacetime. He needed a crisis to fight, a

00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:01.339
tyrant to overthrow. So here's a final thought

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for you, for the listener. Paine wrote that his

00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.660
generation would be the atom of a new world.

00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:10.119
He really thought they were building a kind of

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utopia. If you walked into America today, what

00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.410
would you think? He'd love the technology. He

00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:17.369
would adore the Internet. It's the ultimate common

00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:20.170
sense distribution method. But I think he'd look

00:33:20.170 --> 00:33:22.250
at the massive income inequality, the worship

00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:24.349
of political figures, the fact that we still

00:33:24.349 --> 00:33:27.009
haven't solved poverty, and he'd grab a pen.

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He'd start writing Common Sense Part 2. And he'd

00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:31.329
probably get himself canceled for it within a

00:33:31.329 --> 00:33:33.730
week. He absolutely would. But maybe we need

00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:35.430
a little bit of that energy now and then. We

00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:38.029
always do. thanks for joining us on this deep

00:33:38.029 --> 00:33:41.109
dive into the incredible radical life of Thomas

00:33:41.109 --> 00:33:44.430
Paine it has been a wild ride from start to finish

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keep asking questions we'll see you next time
